Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[CDWLTY]

Ill be surprised if everyone will have the cash to survive 3 months of this bullshit. Especially with how many people are being laid off. Between LA and Vegas the entire mojave is going to be a LARP of New Vegas or California Love by June. I know if i couldnt work and knew property crimes werent going to get the cops called on me, I'd break into fucking anywhere. In 3 months im sure most people who haven't gotten paid in that time will start doing that, especially in the desert. You'd be surprised how many over 70+ people are just sitting around with a shitload of supplies and cash.

I wouldn't expect we can follow China too much. Their people are quite a bit more patriotic and unified, and with the extent of control I'd expect the Chinese in charge saw less harm in bringing the machine to a halt because they can bring it up relatively quick compared to us. Quarantining would be a dream in the west, people are too self-centered and demanding, they'd never accept a quarantine unless they can see the signs written in blood telling them to suck it up. I see a long unemployment for those with dumber job descriptions like in LA and NV for anyone working in the always-stable entertainment industry, but they'd rescind restrictions soon enough to put people to work instead of allowing mad max to take root. I doubt people in the US would sit around and starve in quarantine long before they take possibly violent action, which would be the worse outcome than allowing increased infection rates. Seems like people have been recoving somewhat okay, even if we don't have an accurate idea of who exactly had it until kits are more widespread. If people can recover in a week or so, impacts may not be awful aside from supply chain and money issues. A lot less pollution in most areas than china and tons less smoking will work in our favor here. Hopefully.
But I'm just spitballing. I have no idea what I'm talking about. U.S. pandemic preparedness, when I was involved in it, was weak. We were told we'd be dealing with a fairly to extremely uncooperative populace with a sizeable portion that would counter half our actions out of sheer rebelliousness.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Prior to the Corona Virus I was leaning towards a Trump victory too. For all his faults, he could always point to the economy as proof of his competence.

Most Americans are completely economically illiterate, regardless of how well Trump handles the situation, the economy will enter a recession and the blame will be put on Trump.

Unless Biden dies of the virus, which might end up being a serious possibility, I'm currently leaning towards Biden winning.


I would agree with you if Trump stayed off of twitter. Despite his response to the virus being well measured, his side-line commentary on twitter comes off as completely unhinged.

This is more than a crisis too, this is economically devastating

The media and the Democrats will pin it on Trump, most certainly. Will the majority of the American voters, though? The current state of the global economy is clearly because of this virus, and not because of some policy that went very awry very fast. If things bounce back a bit in the upcoming months, which I anticipate will happen eventually (especially since now is actually a good time to start buying in the stock market), then Trump can easily take credit for that, too. It depends on how fast we can flatten that curve, of course.

How is Trump's Twitter unhinged, btw? I'm looking through it right now ... He's being extremely complimentary towards other nations, like Italy and Canada. Looks like he's trying to ease panic and be a unifier at the moment. Hardly unhinged.

And a few days ago, when he was releasing numbers about the common flu versus COVID-19, he was comparing the two simply to try to ease panic. Of course, that didn't work, but our world leaders need to use some form of rhetoric to get people to calm the eff down since panic never solves anything.

Plus, if Trump just stopped tweeting, you don't think that would cause more panic? It's better for him to be acting like himself, now more than ever.

 

[I can't imagine]

Well, historically, incumbent Presidents tend to do well for their reelections in a time of crisis. I certainly believe that the hurricane (I forget the name at the top of my head at the moment) that happened the week before the 2012 Election really helped Obama, especially when he had such a weak opponent like Romney. Obama's response to the hurricane was well-received, too. I think time will tell for certain on whether the majority of people think that Trump's handling of this has been effective.

Look at Trump's opponents at the moment: Biden and Bernie. Neither of them have said anything of value in terms of how they would be combatting this if they were POTUS right now. There have been zero Democrats altogether that have offered any sort of alternative plan as they've been bitching about Trump, too. There was literally a hearing in Congress a few days ago, and a group of House Democrats spent their time on calling Americans racist for calling COVID-19 what it is: a Chinese virus, because it originated in China. That is literally all they've had to offer when it comes to debating this.

The main question, at this point, is how it shakes out. Presidents do tend to perform well immediately in the wake of crisis, but the worst-case scenarios of this are significantly worse than most any other crisis in the last century. Like, what if 100,000 people die? 500,000? A million? Maybe more?

If the numbers get big enough, rational reactions become more questionable, and people might just vote for "anything else". Or not. It's tough to say. The closest equivalent would obviously be the Spanish Flu, but Wilson wasn't going to run for re-election anyway and there was also the whole "Great War" thing going on at the time. So we really don't have a good point of comparison here.

I suppose the biggest thing in his favor is that his most likely opponent in the general election is looking to be a doddering old man that has trouble remembering people's names, so it's pretty hard to argue the point that whatever he did, Biden would've done worse.

 

[Sam Losco]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...G63Oa1ztz4B4r7xG_wsoC9ucd_ei3--Pz7UD50yQD/pub

Colorado mid day is now up to 101 known infected.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

The main question, at this point, is how it shakes out. Presidents do tend to perform well immediately in the wake of crisis, but the worst-case scenarios of this are significantly worse than most any other crisis in the last century. Like, what if 100,000 people die? 500,000? A million? Maybe more?

If the numbers get big enough, rational reactions become more questionable, and people might just vote for "anything else". Or not. It's tough to say. The closest equivalent would obviously be the Spanish Flu, but Wilson wasn't going to run for re-election anyway and there was also the whole "Great War" thing going on at the time. So we really don't have a good point of comparison here.

I suppose the biggest thing in his favor is that his most likely opponent in the general election is looking to be a doddering old man that has trouble remembering people's names, so it's pretty hard to argue the point that whatever he did, Biden would've done worse.

Oh, definitely. It's not just a weird time in American history ... It's a unique time in American history.

Things can obviously change. They can even change tomorrow; who knows. But at this moment, I am still predicting a Trump reelection based on the fact that the Democrats have offered absolutely nothing of any sort of plan or vision in how they would be tackling this pandemic.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Cambodia also eats bats. It's a pretty common thing over there.

Yes, that means Corona-chan is likely having a holiday in Cambodia.

My 85 year old aunt goes to mass every morning and she cooks for all the parish functions. There are a lot of older people who go to church several times a week. So people of the highest risk congregating together is a recipe for disaster.

Even if your church is still open just don't go. Although it's hard to get some people to understand. They will still go.

Pretty hard to urge people not to go without them getting defensive. No, I'm not trying to harm your faith, (stereotypical churchlady name here). I'm trying to remind you to use the brain that God gave a moose.

Women use TP every time they use the toilet.
If that's not clear, women have to dry their slot after peeing.
If that's not clear, use fewer drugs, or more.

Pads and tampons shouldn't be flushed. Many women wrap used pads and tampons in toilet paper to reduce odors emitting from the trashcan.

 

[Kornheiser]

So again why does DeBlasio not want to cancel public schools in NYC? Does his base not want him to or is he just stupid?

 

[Not Really Here]

So again why does DeBlasio not want to cancel public schools in NYC? Does his base not want him to or is he just stupid?

He needs single moms to go to work.

 

[Negilum]

The media and the Democrats will pin it on Trump, most certainly. Will the majority of the American voters, though? The current state of the global economy is clearly because of this virus, and not because of some policy that went very awry very fast. If things bounce back a bit in the upcoming months, which I anticipate will happen eventually (especially since now is actually a good time to start buying in the stock market), then Trump can easily take credit for that, too. It depends on how fast we can flatten that curve, of course.

How is Trump's Twitter unhinged, btw? I'm looking through it right now ... He's being extremely complimentary towards other nations, like Italy and Canada. Looks like he's trying to ease panic and be a unifier at the moment. Hardly unhinged.

And a few days ago, when he was releasing numbers about the common flu versus COVID-19, he was comparing the two simply to try to ease panic. Of course, that didn't work, but our world leaders need to use some form of rhetoric to get people to calm the eff down since panic never solves anything.

Plus, if Trump just stopped tweeting, you don't think that would cause more panic? It's better for him to be acting like himself, now more than ever.

I think the economy bouncing back in just a few months is optimistic. Even IF this virus is contained within a few months, there has been a massive disruption of supply from China that has been caused by the outbreak. Not only are many factories no longer in service, but travel restrictions are naturally going to be economically problematic. In the long run, this recession will likely strengthen global economies, but I'm not confident we will see the economy recover before the election.

as for his twitter being "unhinged," Trump comparing himself to Nero comes to mind. I get that, to his base, this comes off as banter, but the majority of people see that as crazy.

 

[Stoneheart]

90%+ alcohol is sold out nearly everywhere

Just buy the cheapest 70%+ rum. you want to use 70ish% alcohol to desinfect anyway because its more effective.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

UK and Ireland now included in travel ban for US.
Norway closing all airports and ports from Monday.
France forcing all cafes, restuarants. clubs, cinemas etc - all non-essential public gatherings - to close.
Spain seems to be preparing for a Italy-type lockdown.

It's getting quite intense. I am glad I followed this thread and the situation in general from early Feb and have had everything I need in place before the restrictions and public panic started.

 

[Beavis]

Lots of junk food left at the stores. If worst comes to worst we can all do the Twinkie diet and take a multivitamin!

 

[Shield Breaker]

With all the talks of the virus causing a global recession, what are the odds of that sinking Trump's reelection?

Up until this point, I thought he had a bulletproof chance given the DNC's sorry state, but it seems the world's going insane lately.

Anyone who thinks that this will sink Trump are deluding themselves. In Bongland and other places free trade globalists are changing to being nationalistic protectionists. Not having our own medicine being made here and China threatening us with it. A pandemic originating in a foreign country. Etc. This is essentially everything Trump warned against on an epic level, and he's the type to remind people about it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I wouldn't look at the situation in terms of instant reactions. Trump would love to bring jobs back to the US, the forces don't exist to make that happen. It will require a shift in rhetoric, happy to report China is putting their thumb on the wrong scales.

The Open Society movement took a big blow last year when Soros called China an existential threat. He started some conversations that cost people a lot of credibility.

If this interests you, this video contains a good discussion about how the future of US policy is shaped and the realities of how China is perceived in political circles.

Worth watching reports from the Hudson Institute. Robert Spaulding is getting attention from the right people, he tried to start a think tank a couple years ago and shut down by some institutions that should not be pro-China. He's been writing books about how the US is building their military through capital investment, it's turning into a whistleblower situation.

Another source to pay attention to is the Lawfare blog. They have some good coverage of the 2025 plan, Belt and Road, and China's attempts to position themselves for global leadership. More importantly, you are going to read some US citizens saying some very anti-US things. It's instructive.

The best we can hope for in the next 5 - 10 years is a new classification of industry that prevents some things from being purchased overseas - AI, fintech, and nanotech are the chief targets. The problem we have right now is how quickly China can reverse engineer anything to undercut US pricing. Combatting this requires international cooperation and support from academic institutions, it's a race to put those in place. Pray for Pompeo, he's our nation's best hope.

There is a small (mostly amongst conservatives) group ringing the alarm about China-always has been but it's become a bit larger and vocal now. A very large number of politicians from all over the political spectrum have been bought and paid for by China, this is not a new development. The new wrinkle as of now will be the large number of US citizens sick and dying from a virus the Chinese unleashed on the world, are claiming the US caused it and are now prohibiting exports of essential medicines and PPE. Americans will be screaming for blood by the end of April (probably sooner) and politicians are nothing if not venal. Many of them will change their positions if they feel they'll be run out of office (and some will be, count on it).

Twitter shills are not an accurate gauge of the US public's options, feelings or political trends. The 2016 election proved that.

edited for funky grammar

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Women use TP every time they use the toilet.
If that's not clear, women have to dry their slot after peeing.
If that's not clear, use fewer drugs, or more.

Maybe you should drink less so you didn't have to use a roll of toilet paper a day to swab down your piss covered vagina, femoid

 

[Feline Supremacist]

So again why does DeBlasio not want to cancel public schools in NYC? Does his base not want him to or is he just stupid?

He needs single moms to go to work.

Cuomo told him not to and like a good dog he obeyed.

 

[Kornheiser]

Cuomo told him not to and like a good dog he obeyed.

So why keep them open? I’m surprised the unions haven’t told the both of them to eat shit and not come in.

 

[Slap47]

Anyone who thinks that this will sink Trump are deluding themselves. In Bongland and other places free trade globalists are changing to being nationalistic protectionists. Not having our own medicine being made here and China threatening us with it. A pandemic originating in a foreign country. Etc. This is essentially everything Trump warned against on an epic level, and he's the type to remind people about it.

Trump literally waged a trade war on China for years.

I doubt voters will forget that.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

So why keep them open? I’m surprised the unions haven’t told the both of them to eat shit and not come in.

I think it's the money the feds give the state based on public school attendance.

 

[Kornheiser]

I think it's the money the feds give the state based on public school attendance.

I thought that was being waived for duration of the virus? I know Ohio has done that but I can’t see why New York State can’t do that.