Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[CDWLTY]

One of the surprising shit sammiches I've discovered in this is further loss of our small business owners and operators. There are a lot of jobs out there that don't really show up on the rosters officially that don't really even have a website, operating with one old dude and a couple people he hires on to fill whatever cultural niche there is in the area. These are the last bastions of the job hunt as we know it, where you meet, talk, shake hands, toss in an application, etc. Now, these guys are locking down, shutting down altogether if they're close to retirement, or bugging out to their dirt plot. It sucks because they either close or sell off their clients to some conglomerate which then moves to HR, AI resume screening, diversity hires, etc. If you've worked public/gov/corporate systems you get a feel for the bloat that shows up there. I'm noticing pretty big shakeups at the ground community level already. I don't want all the boomers dying, once they go we'll probably end up with everything bought out by the Chinese. No one likes the old, fat, rich bastards on top but at least they live here too.
Sorry for the sperging. It's a bummer is all.

Watching the live count for a while now. Why/How are China's number of cases going DOWN?
Yesterday, china had 81,003 cases,



Maybe I just don't understand the way this works. I do not believe China regardless, but it seems weird.

I wouldn't gauge anything off of that. Any prime indicator is only there for PR to make them posture against western response. I'm gauging their state on traffic cams and manufacturing inferences people are able to make. It's interesting seeing how this plays out. For once, amerifats are learning how dumb it is to let the neighbor down the street build and own everything they use, and surprisingly if they don't like you they can just cut you off. They know that they stand to permanently damage their industrial base if people want U.S. made shit, so they'll try to get production up and running ASAP. Who knows how many dead they have, could be 100K+ for all we know. The only ones who I'd believe would be whatever entity is running satellites above them. Obviously .gov ain't sharing with us, so it's likely they're trying to run an endgame in trade of some sort.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Try dollar and discount stores and look for generics? Good luck!

Reich's an interesting guy. He's worked for republican and democrat administrations. He's not partsan and I respect that. I don't know where he is now, but fifteen twenty years ago, (when I was encountering his writings) he brought up some good points.

He's at UC Berkeley teaching economics. He publishes another book every couple years.

Back when he was with the Clinton administration, he had some things to say that got me thinking about economics. It was no surprise he had to leave the administration, he's definitely not neoliberal.

Before 2016, he was just offering very general critiques of globalism on Facebook. These days, he mostly spends his time stoking the flames of TDS. The fact Trump won kills him.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

now my mother is freaking out and beg me too stay at home. i got work too do women! how else will i feed the family!?

 

[Recoil]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there is one big reason to believe America won't be hit as badly as Italy - The Italian fashion industry. Clothing manufacture has been a big deal in Italy for a long time - I'm sure many of us have willingly paid a bit extra for a garment because the tag inside read 'Made in Italy'. It implies old-world craftsmanship. It's a brand in and of itself - seeing an Italy tag doesn't evoke sweatshop labor quite like a China tag.

Alas, at some point during the last 10 years the Italians who owned these factories and businesses (many of them multiigenerational) realized that those tags promise their item is 'Made in Italy'. Nothing more. So they start replacing their seamsters en masse with exponentially cheaper migrant labor from China. Many sell their entire operation outright - to chinese entrepreneurs. This proves profitable for the right people, so direct flights between Milan and various chinese industrial centers (including wuhan) start being offered. Italian customs are relaxed, etc etc etc. Keep the cheap labor coming, amirite?

I think that's why it blew up there so horribly - A direct pipeline to the source with relaxed immigration controls along the way. The wages of globalism.

 

[Mikoyan]

There has been the occasional article about how you don't want manufacturing in your country because it's dirty and icky and employs those people. It's not a commonly held view, though.

Bringing it back to the virus response, Ever since I heard Wilbur Ross say the focus was repatriating the supply chain, I felt the masterstroke (at least PR-wise) would be to offer no-interest and/or guaranteed loans for equipment related to re-establishing supplies affected by the outbreak. If you did it just right you could even put in a claimback clause saying 'if you move this production out of the country in x years, the tooling and equipment are ours now'. Even if it couldn't be sold to the workers in an employee buyout, cheap sales at GSA auction could make for good effects for small business.

I don't pretend this is a perfect or even a wise policy, but it'd be a power move.

Larry Kudlow is doing a presser right now and is floating the idea of a light version of this - basically instant writedown of anything you buy to repatriate supply chains. See if it goes anywhere.

 

[Buster O'Keefe]

Red alert! Coronavirus could be spread by rimming, scientists say

Chinese scientists have found coronavirus in the feces of patients with COVID-19, causing them to warn about mouth-to-butt transmission of the virus.

www.pinknews.co.uk

Pink News sucks ass

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Someone smarter then me explain the numbers please do I add them together. Since im a 28 year old male with hypertension does that mean I have a 9% chance of dying? My hypertension seems to be in control now, so I hope that knocks the majority of my chances of dying down.

The Chinese comorbidity data that controlled for age and smoking status has hypertension at a 1.6 risk ratio. So you're 60% percent more likely to need ICU admission, mechanical ventilation or a hearse compared to someone your age without hypertension.

However that's just relative risk. Your absolute risk still remains very low due to your age.

 

[Egregious]

The second thing is people wishing death on the generations before them. I just had a conversation this morning with a friend who said "I'm hoping it'll kill a bunch of boomers" to which I responded "That's not nice", his reply still has me baffled at his justification "It's not about being nice it's about saving the world." What the fuck is wrong with you people seriously? What happened to love and respect for your fellow man? How is it that a generation of liberals who preach tolerance and love are the closest thing to actual nazis I've ever seen in person?

I dunno if it's because I work in the medical field, but my reaction and many others of us is that, if it is your time it's your time. My mother, who is in the age group who would be mostly impacted, was talking to me basically as "what do you expect?" when you're infected at 70 or 80, have health problems already, and maybe smoke on top of it. it was a little weird. I also work with quite a few young adults and a lot of them feel that their well-being, health, and livelihood has been threatened by the older generation. I'm not calling it nice, but I see why it's a mindset they are having. Essentially they see a lot of this as the older generation told them to suck up their problems that could kill them, but now they're getting a taste of that medicine. I don't want a lot of people to die, but I understand the mindset they're coming from. I would like to slow the spread and not overwork hospital workers because then we will certainly turn into Italy where we leave the older to die. It's less "sad" for elderly to die because they've "had their time."

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Just...

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ALL HANDS ON DECK, PRINT FASTER FED

 

[simulated goat]

One of the surprising shit sammiches I've discovered in this is further loss of our small business owners and operators. There are a lot of jobs out there that don't really show up on the rosters officially that don't really even have a website, operating with one old dude and a couple people he hires on to fill whatever cultural niche there is in the area. These are the last bastions of the job hunt as we know it, where you meet, talk, shake hands, toss in an application, etc. Now, these guys are locking down, shutting down altogether if they're close to retirement, or bugging out to their dirt plot. It sucks because they either close or sell off their clients to some conglomerate which then moves to HR, AI resume screening, diversity hires, etc. If you've worked public/gov/corporate systems you get a feel for the bloat that shows up there. I'm noticing pretty big shakeups at the ground community level already. I don't want all the boomers dying, once they go we'll probably end up with everything bought out by the Chinese. No one likes the old, fat, rich bastards on top but at least they live here too.
Sorry for the sperging. It's a bummer is all.
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I'm hoping this doesn't take out mom n pops. The 'local secret' restaurants, hardware stores, drug stores, etc. Personally I prefer working for such people and the services they offer are often superior to anything a national chain can offer. Locals like this I see as the face of the demographic some are calling 'boomers' and wishing death upon.

Dudes, don't come crying to me later about your shitty corporate job that treats you like a bitch and getting snobby about being forced to eat crappy Olive Garden food when you wanted all the old folks with knowledge and resources to die already.

 

[DoodleBerry]

This damn toilet paper obsession is ridiculous. Worse comes to worse, I have a shit ton of old t-shirts and a washing machine.

 

[Male Idiot]

Asians are legit some of the most racist mfers in the world. Very little connection to other races until a few generations ago along with no bad history with other races has led them to feeling superior. Can't guilt them into feeling bad about what their ancestors done like you can with most whites.

Same for eastern europe. This is usually a good thing that results in nice blackface videos, but....

The overwhelming sentiment is still that the virus can not hurt whites, since Germans are not dying out, only the dark skinned Italians.

 

[simulated goat]

He's at UC Berkeley teaching economics. He publishes another book every couple years.

Back when he was with the Clinton administration, he had some things to say that got me thinking about economics. It was no surprise he had to leave the administration, he's definitely not neoliberal.

Before 2016, he was just offering very general critiques of globalism on Facebook. These days, he mostly spends his time stoking the flames of TDS. The fact Trump won kills him.

Thanks for the update.

 

[CDWLTY]

To an extent I get the idea of having the older generations shuffle off if it's their time. I've lost jobs to guys in their 65+ fresh retirement phase who find out they still want to work, so they go hunting for the lower tier work to take on as a hobby. On paper they're much more qualified, so they're walk-ons wherever they go unless someone tries them out in the field. Usually they're mediocre at best, but on paper they're super cheap to insure for us! IT and most consumer product work doesn't have that, but for stuff that's been around long enough, I can understand someone hoping for less competition at the ground floor.

As bleak as it is, I've been a little relieved this is going after the old folks. There are a LOT of people that, if we were to magic-wand change them into dogs, would need to be put down. After working outside the U.S. and seeing the natural cycle of life and death for years and working in the states again, it grossed me out the lengths we let people go to to artificially prolong their life. Alzheimer's, complete dementia, complete lack of any function, 94 years old, but hell let's keep dropping half a million in chemo on them every month, no one wants to have an empty spot at thanksgiving. It's weird, we tend to alienate our older relatives and absolutely ignore them, only to make sure they're kept around as long as possible, whether or not their body is nothing more than a prison for them.
Hearing that nursing home say they went from zero symptoms to death in less than half a day would actually be a blessing to more people than we'd expect at first. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a big uptick in quarantined suicides for old folks too. Many aren't too up on entertaining themselves, and facebook/tv can only do so much before they start looking for rope if they think the sky is falling.

 

[DoodleBerry]

Well ICU (Intensive Care) is for more than just COVID.
It’s the respiratory machines that concern me.

Edit: Elaboration.
Twitter man said the city has 12 respiratory machines.
Authorities have decided only people age <40 or with pre-existing conditions can use them.
That means there are possibly 12+ people with critical respiratory systems in Seattle as we speak.
12+ people whose lungs are now fubar.

Well, now we know why all the older people are dying.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

ALL HANDS ON DECK, PRINT FASTER FED
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I don't see why the Fed doesn't just print a $20T bill and just buy the entire market, then turn around and resell it.

 

[goodgrief]

People continue to be super special. Their kids aren't going to school and kindergarten and half of them aren't going to work, so they're spending time with the kids outside. Old people milling about everywhere, people genuinely saying shit like "What are we supposed to do??? Stay inside??" Y E A H.

So fucking dramatic and difficult like they're being asked not to come outside for 2 years.

 

[Radical Cadre]

He's at UC Berkeley teaching economics. He publishes another book every couple years.

Back when he was with the Clinton administration, he had some things to say that got me thinking about economics. It was no surprise he had to leave the administration, he's definitely not neoliberal.

The Work of Nations was a pretty compelling book at the time and correctly predicted the general shape of the world we currently live in. Reich definitely knows some shit. By far the most compelling thing about him is what Ivan here has mentioned, which is that he does seem to have some capacity to be objective. I will add that as long as Reich stays in his lane, his objectivity usually works. Ask him about impeachment or things not related to global economics and production... ehh...

 

[SpEd Kaczynski]

This damn toilet paper obsession is ridiculous.

I just heard some guy on the radio saying that 90% of the USA's toilet paper is manufactured in the USA and most of the remaining 10% is made in Canada with smaller percentages made in India, Mexico and China. So I think the USA should be at least somewhat OK for toilet paper since we make most of our TP domestically.

I'm wondering about those countries out there that import all their toilet paper though. When the TP runs out and they can't get anymore I think the shits really gonna hit the fan in those places. Like theres gonna be toilet paper riots, for real.

 

[simulated goat]

This damn toilet paper obsession is ridiculous. Worse comes to worse, I have a shit ton of old t-shirts and a washing machine.

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We're golden then, the old roomie was a silkscreener, we have fucking huge bins of misprints and blanks. Or should I even say this lest the state police swoop in and make us give them to charity for buttwipe?