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She looks like a dude to me.Aleks a cute
But hey, different strokes for different folks.
Inactive Andrew Dobson / Tom Preston / CattyN - STOP DOING SEXIST CRAP
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But hey, different strokes for different folks.
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More from Dobson on that “Captain Marvel vs Alita” comic.
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Your first shower in 8 years can be quite shocking and traumatizing tbh.
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"Wonder Woman is objectified because she reacted to the world of men the same way your cousin who grew up on a farm in the country side reacts to seeing the big city for the first time and doesn’t go out of her way to be an asshole"
I’m sorry, what? Did Dobson miss the part where WW calls out a room full of generals for being cowards and goes out of her way to help everyone? Just because she’s not going "UGH MEN" every ten seconds doesn’t make her a doormat or infantilized. I can’t comment on Alita since I never saw it, but I’m assuming she was liked better than CM for better reasons. Big surprise, people like their heroes to have at least a few redeeming qualities.
Which was CM’s primary problem, outside of a bunch of Disney leftover snark and disproportionate acts of dickishness disguised as being girl power or in the case of Endgame being "too important" to bother with the lowly Everyman, she has absolutely nothing going for her. No one cared about her amnesia (by the way Dobbles, how does THAT not count as being "born beautiful yesterday"?) because her history turns out to just be a series of generic ‘durrr no girls allowed’ moments that even the movie isn’t interested in, she only has a tangential connection to the huge finale people are actually interested in, and she emotes so little that even the realization that she’s been complicit in genocide barely phases her. What is there to be excited about?
Now that I think about it, Dobson’s treatment of CM is arguably infantilizing. He keeps referencing how she’s better than WW and Alita because she never "exposes skin" (even though Alita arguably doesn’t even have skin to expose) and isn’t pretty (which sounds way more like a dig at Bree Larson than what he intends) to the point he gives Alita a blow-up doll mouth, and he only ever mentions CM’s costume when comparing the two while for WW he brings up how WW acted the first day in London and not being an expert in human history, and with Alita... that her father figure treats her like his daughter?
I don’t think anyone gave Dobson the memo that going "at least MY waifu isnt like these dang dirty WHORES" is a social faux pas on Tumblr when you’re a creepy dude.
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Alita was created to be an interesting character she wasn't created as a vehicle for an agenda.
If he read the comics, the movie was rather faithful to them, and it was a much better effort than shit like Ghost in the Shell. The only thing is Alita much like Akira takes forever to get to the interesting parts and the main conflict of the story. In the beginning it's just a bunch of smaller scale conflicts that slowly build into the main driving force behind the story. You really can't edit down Alita to 90 minutes like they did Akira because it relies on too much pre-existing information and it would have quite a few large exposition dumps.
Desty Nova doesn't make his reveal until quite a ways into the story and you have characters like Barjack Den who change drastically as the story goes on, especially once you get into Last Order.
If he read the comics, the movie was rather faithful to them, and it was a much better effort than shit like Ghost in the Shell. The only thing is Alita much like Akira takes forever to get to the interesting parts and the main conflict of the story. In the beginning it's just a bunch of smaller scale conflicts that slowly build into the main driving force behind the story. You really can't edit down Alita to 90 minutes like they did Akira because it relies on too much pre-existing information and it would have quite a few large exposition dumps.
Desty Nova doesn't make his reveal until quite a ways into the story and you have characters like Barjack Den who change drastically as the story goes on, especially once you get into Last Order.
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CM's ability to punch everybody into submission, that she has from the very start of the movie and uses throughout the movie without ever being vaguely in danger of not being able to punch someone into submission. I mean, if your standards are very, very low, you might actually enjoy that.
And, of course, she starts the movie as a blank piece of cardboard and ends it as a blank piece of cardboard. She learns nothing about herself, she doesn't have to overcome anything. CM is by and large just watching someone's power fantasy - which is ironic, since that's what the people that herald CM as being awesome also accuse any movie with a male strong character to be. I guess power fantasies are good when the right people have them, huh.
Also, in case of Alita, she does start out sort of childish and "innocent", she ends up a completely different character with a completely different mindset. Dobson doesn't understand what a character arc is, therefore he thinks the character is perfectly the same at the end as she was at the start.
And thinking about this, I guess it's symptomatic for a lot of these people. Think about Star Wars, almost all characters are the very same compared to their situation at the start of ANH. Maybe SJWs don't understand the concept of personal growth and change, it would explain so much.
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It's hard to understand personal growth when you've never experienced it. This is true for SJWs in general, but especially for Dobson in particular.
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I keep wondering, what would these NPCs do with a movie that starred a woman who's character had a proper Hero's Journey? in other words, a REAL strong female character that developed over the course of the movie? I'm sure they wouldn't be able to handle it.
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None of them bother to praise OG Alien or Annihilation.
Trails in the Sky is basically MIA from their twitter feeds as is Ys8.
None of these fucks ever played Divinity Original Sin 2. I don't even think any of them have ever played any of the Tales of Series ever and like more than half the characters are women.
Surface level consoomers all of them.
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Man I thought Dobson just copy-pasted his original Sara Conner comment to someone else, but then I remember that he's more flexible than a Hungarian contortionist.
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A fat white man trying to determine how a woman should act? That sounds rather sexist to me, Dobson.
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Rules for thee, but not for me. They always project.
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He does realize that robots are objects to begin with right?
C-3PO and R2D2 while beloved characters, are still objects in their universe.
The series that has the concept of "Are robots and AI really sentient or not?" is Ghost in the Shell. That's not really explored that deeply in Alita, her main thing was recovering her memories. Last order had The Robot King arc which sorta went there but GITS had multiple episodes based around that concept and from different viewpoints.
C-3PO and R2D2 while beloved characters, are still objects in their universe.
The series that has the concept of "Are robots and AI really sentient or not?" is Ghost in the Shell. That's not really explored that deeply in Alita, her main thing was recovering her memories. Last order had The Robot King arc which sorta went there but GITS had multiple episodes based around that concept and from different viewpoints.
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This man is really an enigma of social justice.
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Depends entirely on whether the makers and main cast of the movie made the right seal-clapping noises at the right stimuli. Ie: if they endlessly bray about how STRONK and UNDEPENDENT their main female character is and how SHE DUN NEED NO MAN and all that jazz, it'll be stunning and brave. Anything else might as well not exist.
Funny how that works. The idea that Sarah Connor is just an everday waitress is intentional, since the idea is to make her very vulnerable. In T2, she's fucking badass and takes no shit from no one, but she still is a mother with motherfly feelings. It's just that her goal to protect John makes her distanced and cold at times.
Similarly with Ellen Ripley, she's an average person in Alien, but she becomes badass with a strong motherly touch, protecting Newt and rescuing her. There is also that aspect of her having to overcome the death of her daughter and all that jazz.
So Dobson is talking out of his ass and as has been mentioned, "These examples don't count, cause a woman has to constantly point out that she is a woman and she has to be a shitty person in general to show off her strength towards knuckledragging, sexit MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!" is pretty fucking sexist in and of itself. It seems that we are back at the 50s, only women in movies no longer scream and faint when they see the monster, they now have to be assholes towards random people - otherwise they are no true WAHMAN. Funny how that works.
And that last point: The problem with gay/trans/whatever characters is that for one thing, they can never have a bad personality trait or have something bad happen to them, since it will be seen as an attack against gay/trans/whatever people in general. "Here's a gay character that is afraid of ducks, sort of as a joke" -"So you're saying all gays are cowards?! HOW DARE YOU!!!". And the other Problem: being gay/trans/whatever is always the only and sole defining aspect of that character. Any interaction will always tie into how they are gay/trans/whatever, and they will never be able to shut their mouth about it. They are boring as fuck and annoying to boot.
It's ironic. I am very liberal and accepting of any person and I do not feel a need to get involved in their personal affairs in any way. I respect anyone's right to have any sort of consensual, adult relationship and I really don't care about it. I know gays, bis, transgenders, polyamorous couples and so on. I really don't give a shit.
But the way how the media is beating me over the head with these topics is so fucking obnoxious and preachy, that I can't take it at all. And for fucks sake:
I simply refuse to be lectured on women's rights by people in an industry that allows people like Weinstein etc. to abuse and fuck countless people in exchange for a gig for fucking decades. And the less we talk about child abuse and rape the better. These issues aren't the missteps of a few misguided individuals, it's a giant, systematic issue that has been present from the time that the first studio opened up in Hollywood and has been allowed to continue to this day.
Hollywood is in no position to even vaguely suggest anything towards society regarding women's rights.
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Makes sense, considering Dobson and many Hollyweird elites are the Greta Thunbergs of their own fields; spoon fed everything and having no actual thought outside of that. I find it ironic (and very hypocritical) they're lecturing people on things while they live and tweet in their own echo chambers, and as you've mentioned, a long history of questionable behavior.
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Guess he missed the scene after Sarah tried to assassinate Miles Dyson where she claims he "can't understand what it's like to create a life", clearly gesturing towards her womb.
But sure, a male character coulda just easily done that too, and it has nothing to contribute towards Sarah's own unique sense of hopelessness regarding Cyberdyne in general.
[THIS IS WHAT DOBSONS APPARENTLY BELIEVE]
They also leave the praises unsung of many solid female-centric comicbooks like The Sword, Aurora West, or even ones that agree with their far-left ideology, like Jenny Sparks.
They never go out and actually LOOK for these stories they cry about "not existing", because they're SO lazy they need to be spoon-fed their media like helpless babies strapped to highchairs.
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Did you just say men can't have wombs and give birth?
That's quite genderist of you!
not even kidding, most likely the reaction of people like Dobson
It's a bit more complicated, I think.
They don't want comic books with female characters with certain labels attached to them ("Strong", "independent", "an uppity bitch that treats everyone like shit to show off strength" and so on), but it always falls back on popular brands. They don't want *a* female strongindependentyaddayaddayadda character, they want a female *Thor*, a female *Ironman*. It's not about the character, it's about sticking labels onto certain comic books. As such, it seems to be more about control over an IP than it is about creating something that is "empowering" (whatever the fuck that means - if your life is so devoid of positive interaction that you need Captain Marvel or FemThor to feel empowered, you might as well just give up).
All this opens up an interesting debate, too, of what a strong character is, and going by Captain Marvel, it's pretty clear that their idea of what a "strong" character is, is insanely fucked up.
The people who made CM and those who love it seem to think that the only way to make a character strong is to make them act like assholes and contradict everyone at every time (cause of course, they need to be "in charge" and they need to be the ones to know "what's up"), be very antagonistic towards others (cause acting nice would be being submissive) or outright using brutality to beat people that don't fall in line, in short, it's a very, very aggressive and spiteful view on what strength is. I would even argue that it is no strength at all. It's just someone being abrasive and condescending.
And just as a small addition, Japan is seen as chauvinistic (well, justifiably so), but the Manga and Anime made there oftentimes feature genuinely strong female characters and that flies past the radar of many a femtard.