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the sister fister said:
well, my company's cut everyone's hours and I'm embarrassed to say what my new schedule is like.
I just signed up for unemployment. Anyone else done the same? I feel so worthless
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that reminds me I should see if the food stamps web site is working again yet
I tried the other day and it made here look stable and functional.
 
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Salubrious said:
Forgive me if this has been asked.
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Salubrious said:
Forgive me if this has been asked.

The entire point of all these precautions is to "flatten the curve" so that the rate of infections can be managed by hospital capacities. That make sense in theory.

What causes the curve to reach its peak and begin the downslope in the first place in any scenario?
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The curve going down means that either the cases have been largely isolated and less people are infecting others, or that herd immunity is reaching a point where the spread is starting to be inhibited by that. Measles for example is hyperinfectious, so herd immunity has to be somewhere near 95% to keep the people that can’t get vaccines for medical reasons from getting it. The number for this would be lower, but still very high, probably in the 60’s or 70’s.
 
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the sister fister said:
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I just signed up for unemployment. Anyone else done the same? I feel so worthless
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Back in '08 I spent about a year and a half on uninsurance. Ain't no shame, you paid into the system, you get to use it now. You'll probably pay back what you earned anyways when you get back to full time work. Relax, enjoy the time off, look for new gigs on the side, smoke a joint, etc.
 
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If the US is to survive this economic turn in the best way possible, we need to do these things:
  • Convert some factories that make non essentials into factories that produce medical supplies
    • Having more factory jobs available can also mitigate some of the economic blowback we have right now
  • Have the government give some households $1000 to pay utilities (this has already been passed, but won’t be effective until April)
  • Start producing more American steel to avoid having to buy from China
  • Put tariffs on American companies that refuse to move some manufacturing out of China
  • Put protections in place for small businesses (already in the process as far as I’m aware)
  • Start producing more medicine in the United States
  • Try converting more places into online work environments (many places are already doing this)
  • Since the internet will be much more necessary for work from home, internet prices need to be kept at a cheaper rate (especially for those who recently lost jobs)
    • I think broadband has already reduced in price in the US
Mostly, we just need to stop relying on China, and ideally, bring more manufacturing to the United States. Hopefully a change like this will bring more stability with supply lines as well.
 
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Technetium said:
Wut. A healthy human body has an internal temperature of about 97-98°F. How is the virus infecting in humans if it really dies at T>80°F?
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The same way any other virus does? ALL coronaviruses struggle to survive anything above 80F. Once they get into a human, they can infect a cell and utilize the resources of the host to reproduce at a rate faster then the temperature kills them.

This is also why your body runs a fever, the higher temperature impedes virus survivability time, buying your body time to respond to the infection, and why taking fever reducers for low grade fevers is a bad idea, simply because it allows the disease to propagate faster.
Otterly said:
The young will die too. you’d be surprised how many apparently healthy people have a cardiac defect like a mild murmur they have no sign of, until something reveals it. Or how many have diabetes juuuuust starting. Or hypertension they aren’t aware of. Or just how normal genetic variation in immune systems can see one person floored with something that another shrugs off.
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I can think of a lot of young people that fall into this category. Some of us were born with diabetes, many young people are overweight/obese, and many in their 30s are developing hypertension, diabetes, and breathing problems from a history of overeating and smoking.

That's what makes these statistics so frustrating. These young people hospitalized, who knows what kind of lives they lead or what problems they have. Statistics are not being collected/spread. Couple that with the west's pathetic testing rates, and its no wonder people are panicking.

The only reprieve is South korea is showing a death rate closer to reality: most who get sick show few symptoms and recover with no issue, the disease, while significantly more lethal then the virus, is still a rounding error in death rate and likely wont be the second coming of Spanish flu at this time.
 
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Goronnn said:
Can anyone explain why the gov would tank the economy over a 2% mainly old people death rate? Even if it were young people. I'm not understanding this. There has to be more to it.
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This has been answered many times before in this thread: they dont have enough information. They are running on limited knowledge, mainly italy and south korea, and they dont want a repeat of italy happening anywhere else. They dont know how to counter coronavirus, its overall lethality rate, nor do they have any medication to fight it, while observing it causing the medical system of italy and iran to utterly collapse.

Other countries have better healthcare infrastructure, but that doesnt make them immune to the same problem. It really is that simple. The government is run by human beings, just as susceptible to fear and panic as the general populace, and also knowing they will be held responsible if their actions kill people, so they are exercising extreme caution until they know for a fact that COVID 19 wont wipe out entire cities.
 
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No_one said:
So yeah about the tests. The numbers for today 287 (+49 since yesterday) confirmed cases, 5 deaths (no change). But, one of the institutes performing the tests in Warsaw (which performed the most of them in the country) has stopped working today as one of the employees got confirmed positive, and he wasn't even working on the samples. The other thing which concerns me is the number of cases among healthcare workers, such as a doctor in Warsaw children's hospital, 7 people in a town with a population of 8 thousand and a doctor in another one. The healthcare system is understaffed and overworked already. If these people get seriously hit, Corona-chan cases could be a minor inconvenience compared to the thousands that won't receive proper medical care. I really hope I'm wrong on that one.

Edit: number of samples tested: 9515
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Yeah, I was going to talk about most of these things too. We still don't have the number of samples they tested today (the 9515 number was given at noon, so it doesn't account for today's changes), so it's hard to tell if the Warsaw lab going defunct skewed the results by a lot. They were supposed to get other places running in its place. But assuming the best, 49 new cases is 20% daily growth, which I understand is low. So there's a chance it's our mitigating measures slowly kicking in.

The small town you mention, on the other hand, might be skewing the stats the other way. If I recall well, some medical personnel got themselves infected and as a result the entire hospital staff had to get themselves tested. Last I've heard, they had at least twelve confirmed cases. Now, you know how we usually get the new case announcements in three batches: morning, midday and evening? Today the numbers were 8, 5 and 36. And out of these 36, 28 were in one voivodeship (Mazowieckie, where that small town is located). I wouldn't be surprised if said hospital staff accounted for all of these. That's gonna be a lot of people under quarantine.

Together with that one infected doctor committing suicide and one patient jumping out of the window, it was an odd day.
 
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JambledUpWords said:
If the US is to survive this economic turn in the best way possible, we need to do these things:
  • Convert some factories that make non essentials into factories that produce medical supplies
    • Having more factory jobs available can also mitigate some of the economic blowback we have right now
  • Have the government give some households $1000 to pay utilities (this has already been passed, but won’t be effective until April)
  • Start producing more American steel to avoid having to buy from China
  • Put tariffs on American companies that refuse to move some manufacturing out of China
  • Put protections in place for small businesses (already in the process as far as I’m aware)
  • Start producing more medicine in the United States
  • Try converting more places into online work environments (many places are already doing this)
  • Since the internet will be much more necessary for work from home, internet prices need to be kept at a cheaper rate (especially for those who recently lost jobs)
    • I think broadband has already reduced in price in the US
Mostly, we just need to stop relying on China, and ideally, bring more manufacturing to the United States. Hopefully a change like this will bring more stability with supply lines as well.
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We need to have factories that are quickly convertible not just to medical supply production but also to weapon production. And our goal should be to completely stop dealing with China until they stop eating everything that moves and treating their people like animals. It's not even a matter of morality or disgust. It's a matter of looking at them, seeing what they're willing to do to their own, and then coming to terms with the fact that what they'll do to us is far worse.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
Also this was splashed all over the NY Post website
nypost.com

Millennials may be at a higher risk for catching coronavirus, official says

A top official on the White House coronavirus task force issued an ominous warning on Wednesday, declaring that more millennials in Italy and France had gotten sick than anticipated because they fa…
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So while I hope its not so, it's beginning to feel like Spanish Flu 2.0

Edited for bad spelling/grammar because I was monitoring deliveries since they get stolen (as previously mentioned) Everything arrived so I'm good for another couple of weeks while I get better.
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Considering there's a video of college students saying they don't care about the virus and will get drunk at Spring Break, I'm not surprised millennials are getting hit by it.
 
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So. I'm in 901 still but I just wanted to share this pearl a friend's sent me:

"Kids are home. Fridge is full. The king is giving his discourse. Shit. Feels just like christmass. I'mma get the decorations out!"

And let's get to quoting.
Sinners Sandwich said:
So how many Kiwis already got a flu or flu like symptoms?
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Considered HARMful said:
Oh come on, this is next level exceptional, even for you. A Chinese billionaire is not "China" ffs. Next up you'll be saying that Gates Foundation is US.
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Go ask @DidYouJustSayThat

Stoneheart said:
how can that happen? the supply at this point in the year is endless.
I got my biweekly delivery from a local farm yesterday, had a quick talk, they have to many potatoes and are anticipating an early harvest.
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The Irish can tell you a few tales of how potatoes suddently disappear sometimes.

Dr. Geronimo said:
900 pages holy fuck we're gonna surpass weeb wars at this point
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Weeb wars killed our sides. Corona's gonna kill our lungs AND sides. And the testicles of at least a few. I say this thread'll win in the end.

Jokes aside. Anything interesting going on over there? I haven't been able to check on a while but I swear it should be in hiatus at this point.

Barnard said:
Yeah, I hope this lasts... Our testing numbers are transparent and updated every 1-2 days, it's consistently been around 1500 daily tests lately. There's some odd stuff going on today that makes me wonder, but I'll only talk about that in my evening summary post when things clear up.

One of the many pieces of news I've seen today told about Spanish authorities investigating some nursing homes in Madrid that were pretty much swept clean by the virus. Can hardly imagine this happening here, really. The public would be thoroughly shocked... We're spoiled by years of serene stability.
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17 dead and 75 infected. Authorities claim they don't know what happened. I fucking know. Sanchez horribly mismanaged protective gear, leaving the home with barely any. 1 single infected can do that if proper procedure isn't followed. Then he fucked Andalucia over when he realized what mess he made, and now both madrid and andalucia hate him. Funny, those were his 2 largest voting blocks so far. His career is fucking dead.
 
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medRxiv | Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility
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