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EmuWarsVeteran said:
Unless we somehow find out later you had a massive lack of testing it seems you poles are being a shining fucking beacon when it comes to containment. A+ so far.
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Yeah, I hope this lasts... Our testing numbers are transparent and updated every 1-2 days, it's consistently been around 1500 daily tests lately. There's some odd stuff going on today that makes me wonder, but I'll only talk about that in my evening summary post when things clear up.

One of the many pieces of news I've seen today told about Spanish authorities investigating some nursing homes in Madrid that were pretty much swept clean by the virus. Can hardly imagine this happening here, really. The public would be thoroughly shocked... We're spoiled by years of serene stability.
 
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Salubrious said:
What do you think is going to happen come June 1st or July 1st when people have been out of work and their mortgages are coming due? People aren't going to do a fucking thing towards "social distancing" when their houses are on the line.
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Well I guess you could have the government declare a temporary (or permanent) halt to usury.
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Italy is canceling mortgage bills – can the U.S. do that? - HousingWire

Homeowners in Italy are seeing many of their bills suspended – including mortgages – as the country deals with the coronavirus pandemic, and now other European nations are considering similar moves.
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Obviously won't happen in the US though.
 
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Both the cooks and a group of celadores have coronavirus on the local hospital. They have been replaced but this makes information spread a lot harder for the unions. I think I have corona. Symptoms are the same as my family members and as second-best (catfish) girl otterly mentioned in:
Otterly said:
Guaranteed. Myself, my family, two siblings and their families, and several friends and their families are all experiencing similar symptoms. Probably twenty five people all in. This is across four European countries. Dry cough, low fever, general shitty feeling, headache, sore throat. Is it corona? No idea. Maybe it’s just another respiratory bug that’s going around. It’s getting to the end of that season though now. We usually see a dramatic drop around Easter or April
Nobody is going to the doctor or even reporting It because all their respective health systems will / can do nothing unless they need hospitalisation, all the national helplines are chocka and they are staying home to avoid infecting others.
How you can tease out numbers of mild cases I don't know. Everyone is locked down, not bothering to call the doc, and off work or wfh. The only proxy measure will be people turning up at the hospitals. They are very busy where I am but not totally overrun like Italy. Yet.
The sooner we have a serological test to pick up who has had it and recovered the better.
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And also it feels like all noises are too high despite not having drunk. But honestly between dealing with the cops, unions, hospital staff, my sick family member and the stress, cold and rain while doing so it'd be a fucking wonder if I didn't feel like shit today.

I'm still emotionally unstable. Today shit got real. Like "someone's getting shot and the rest will seek revenge through terrorism" kinda real. And I got sandwiched in the middle. And I'd do it again if needed. But god I hope it's not needed again. You can imagine, as resources have already spread thin due to what we're sending to more affected areas some have started to get antsy despite everything, more importantly feelings against other autonomies had started rising, and then they take everything and tell us for now we'll be working for them free and we better not bitch about it, and then they decide to shield themselves by opening even more, deeper, uglier and older wounds... it was a total diplomatic and logistical clusterfuck and A3Media made it so much worse. I feel like I've gotten older.

On better news. Well. "Better". The old king of spain had some extremely dirty deals. It came to light it had a fuckton of money on a swiss bank. The young king was giving today a speech. People have obviously been asking said swiss bank account be put to use reinforcing healthcare. Today they decided if the new king will only say the same meaningless shit we're saying something far more meaningfull. And that is CLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONGCLONG!!!!
And so on top of at 8 getting the applause, at 9 the king's speech got drowned by the roar of kitchen utensils. It was kinda hilarious now that the "money printer goes brrrt" meme is catching on, we got king goes "clong"
Morale still high for everyone else. They're still helping and taking it seriously. Even healthcare workers while getting reminded of many things got to relax and get back albeit a bit more fucked. It's only the unions that paid the price. And so, here's the memes for the day:




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Otterly said:
What that data tell us is that context, specifically resource per case, is key. The cruise ship patients were closely monitored, and whisked off to be treated in a health service that was at the time running at full capacity and able to lavish attention on each patient.
S Korea have undergone mass testing, and again have been able to keep the infection within the capacity of the health service.

Italy and Iran shows us what happens when the health service is overwhelmed. In the ship/Korea scenario, nobody was dying because there wasn’t oxygen, whether piped in, or pressured or full mechanical ventilation. In Italy we are seeing triaging of cases and people who would otherwise survive If there was capacity, die.
The same has happened in Iran. Sanctions have destroyed their health system and they couldn’t cope. You wouldn’t die of a broken leg in the USA in normal circumstances. You could well do in a third world country with no health provision, or a war zone. That’s the comparison. What’s trivial with adequate care will kill you without.

The death rate is going to vary by country, and it’s going to vary a LOT. That’s not Mainly because it’s selectively targeting people, it’s because once a health service capacity reaches saturation, the death rate compounds. Similarly you’ll see death rates change as the peak hits - those initial and final cases will have more resource per case and be more likely to survive.

God forbid it really gets going in Africa or the third world generally. The thought is chilling.
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Flattening the curve is mostly a meme. It's too late for that in most countries, too widespread. The area of the curve above capacity will barely change.

Risking an economic depression in order to prevent a tiny percentage of sick and old people from dying a few years prematurely just isn't worth it. Depressions cause an awful lot of misery and death too, you know.
 
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Radical Cadre said:
@3119967d0c Show me footage of the people out clubbing. Or am I just supposed to take your word for it? You've got a lot of words and they aren't even the best words.
But you won't. You'll MotI me and then wipe your memory and continue on like the locust-wannabe you are. Stay healthy, I want to keep whupping your ass a while longer. :evil:
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With the way that Iran is going, he doesn't have a shot in hell.

More footage of idiot Iranians storming shrines. (https://archive.li/clJPK)

And then there are stories like this. (https://archive.li/lJGVZ)

Then Iran is apparently pulling the same shit that some US states are pulling. (https://archive.vn/koiQW)

From what seems to be happening, Iran and China are very buddy-buddy with each other, which blows for Iran because China did start this horseshit. (https://archive.vn/EcR37) (https://archive.vn/Cf1Qm) (https://archive.li/l0Exf)

You add that to the mass graves Iran has built and the fact that they're outsourcing their sick rooms to parking lots, and I'm afraid our resident Mohammad is boned.

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Shit will go back to normal when people run out of money to panic buy and they waste their trumpbux on drugs.
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Sure it will - in developed countries.
 
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158 Pages behind. /sigh

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Did the monthly safety meeting presentation for my department today.
Same one I've been doing ten years now: Emergency Preparedness.
Took the world falling apart, but I think I got through to them this time.

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First positive COVID-19 case ID in Algoma. Archive.

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Q: What is the difference between a geologist and a chemist?
A: A chemist will drink anything that is distilled.
A: A geologist will drink anything that is fermented.
 
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Non-Expert! said:
thehill.com

Newsom says California schools likely to remain closed for rest of school year

California schools will likely be closed for the remainder of the school year amid the coronavirus pandemic, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) said Tuesday.
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Brilliant. School closed till the end of the year?

Poor kids they are going to be so bored. I keep telling my son that he can't go to school "because of the germs."

I showed him a map of the world full of red dots where there have been outbreaks.

"See, the germs ...."

Then he wanted to go outside and find the red dots, so that he could see the germs. And I said:

"No, you can't actually see the germs."

Today he started to cry and told me he wanted to go outside and see flowers and not germs. I felt so bad about it, I asked my husband if he could take a break and take him outside for a bit.

Ok .... So apparently this is going to go on until the end of the year?

I am hoping that they are taking a "wait and see" approach. If hot dry weather slows down infection rates, maybe the kids can attend school over summer. I'm game.
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This isn't your mommy blog, Karen.
 
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It's Just The Flu said:
Risking an economic depression in order to prevent a tiny percentage of sick and old people from dying a few years prematurely just isn't worth it. Depressions cause an awful lot of misery and death too, you know.
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This is a time limited event. There’s no magical way out of it and a lot of people are going to die. There is no magic way to preserve the economy and lives, and it’s not a direct one or the other. Both will be damaged. All we can do is try to soften the blow. But.. The flattening of the curve is possible - if we follow the usual pandemic waves then kicking that First peak out to autumn means that subsequent peaks may be delayed to the point there’s a vaccine, and a working safe vaccine is the only off ramp here, Numbers of deaths can be reduced - not eliminated, but reduced, by reducing excess demand on the nhs.
The young will die too. you’d be surprised how many apparently healthy people have a cardiac defect like a mild murmur they have no sign of, until something reveals it. Or how many have diabetes juuuuust starting. Or hypertension they aren’t aware of. Or just how normal genetic variation in immune systems can see one person floored with something that another shrugs off.
A government that shrugs and says let it rip through and the strong survive is going to be strung up in the streets, regardless of whether the economic damage was 50% less. We are getting a recession and a lot of dead people, no matter what.
 
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Barnard said:
Yeah, I hope this lasts... Our testing numbers are transparent and updated every 1-2 days, it's consistently been around 1500 daily tests lately. There's some odd stuff going on today that makes me wonder, but I'll only talk about that in my evening summary post when things clear up.

One of the many pieces of news I've seen today told about Spanish authorities investigating some nursing homes in Madrid that were pretty much swept clean by the virus. Can hardly imagine this happening here, really. The public would be thoroughly shocked... We're spoiled by years of serene stability.
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So yeah about the tests. The numbers for today 287 (+49 since yesterday) confirmed cases, 5 deaths (no change). But, one of the institutes performing the tests in Warsaw (which performed the most of them in the country) has stopped working today as one of the employees got confirmed positive, and he wasn't even working on the samples. The other thing which concerns me is the number of cases among healthcare workers, such as a doctor in Warsaw children's hospital, 7 people in a town with a population of 8 thousand and a doctor in another one. The healthcare system is understaffed and overworked already. If these people get seriously hit, Corona-chan cases could be a minor inconvenience compared to the thousands that won't receive proper medical care. I really hope I'm wrong on that one.

Edit: number of samples tested: 9515
 
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Had to make a pharmacy run to Philadelphia to pick up a prescription, and while the traffic is a little lighter., notign much has changed. I know the Children's hospital has social distancing in their some of their enclosed spaces and the only guardians are allowed to accompany children, no guests. t also looks like Perelman Center for Advanced Medicine at Upenn Hospital has seriously cut back on procedures. Having said that, the city is as busy as it ever was. I also saw a whole group of nurses walking right next to each other going into Starbucks, so I guess they're immune? I tried to avoid people as much as possible, but no one else was practicing any sort of social distancing on the streets.

I know a lot of people are trying to do their best, but I don't think we're going to flatten the curve at all. Even if we locked down the entire country, people while just Naruto run any army barricades after like a week. People will have to start dropping dead on the streets for anything to happen, and maybe not even then. The time to stop this was in January, and if people aren't going to stop their daily lives now, there's no way anyone would have done it then. And there's no way people are going to stay locked int heir houses for 18 months for a vaccine, if that even happens. Hopefully we find some miraculous way to figh this and the number of deaths is on the lower side of the estimates.

Thank you Dr. Purr, very cool.
 
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the sister fister said:
well, my company's cut everyone's hours and I'm embarrassed to say what my new schedule is like.
I just signed up for unemployment. Anyone else done the same? I feel so worthless
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It's insurance you pay for, don't feel bad for using it.
It's not like you personally lobbied for globalism and putting most of the manufacturing eggs in the China basket.
 
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