Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Here is a foreshadowing: I can come but please .... keep the husband and kids at home.

I asked about getting tested for the wu-flu, and get this .... amazingly the hospital down the street has a full testing facility in place. But in order to be tested, I have to have some obvious symptoms, like burning lungs, raging fever, etc.

So basically, Dr. routinely screens her patients, so far, for sexually transmitted infections (most of her patients, snowball's chance) and the Zika virus (practically impossible) but can not screen for a plague, that I could actually transmit to Labor and Delivery staff, and subsequently into the NICU?

Hospitals around here are denying visitors. L&D gets one visitor, but honestly probably shouldn't.

As for Zika, blame our fucking weird charting software. You'll enter a newborn into the system and it tells you to ask the patient about their travel history. I don't fucking know. Out of the vagina, I guess?
 
I hear you, but when you look at the alternative - Crazy Joe - Trump should be okay. People see he's doing all he can, hasn't shied away from making some tough calls. He's made mistakes, but the only way you make mistakes is by actually doing things. The ChiCom virus was not Trump's fault. It's China's fault. Most people with a functioning brain cell know that. Dems need to be careful that they don't portray themselves as opposing actions taken to fight the ChiCom Flu and help Americans.

Unfortunately they already are. Schumer and Pelosi are trying derail the "TrumpBucks" program and instead are saying we need to make a sweeping expansion of the welfare state instead.
 
Germany's deaths were mostly very, very old people who were already in retirement homes. Confirmed corona deaths that is. I don't really think there's much number fudging going on. There was the carnival (the funny political floats you see online once a year) in North Rhine-Westphalia (ignoring the city-states we have, the most densely populated area in Germany and one of the most densely populated areas in Europe) a few weeks ago and that probably really helped spreading the virus and we are seeing the numbers roar because of that now. Interestingly enough there was also a storm a few weeks ago that lead to some of these carnival events being canceled, and the numbers in the parts were there were widespread cancellations are actually noticeably lower.

Also a good reason for low death numbers in Germany is that it's not been here that long. Give it some time to run it's course and the first serious numbers will appear. Also remember that Germany has a top-notch public health system and did a relatively good job at quarantining early on, (still bad but good compared to the abysmal response in the west overall, putting too much trust in chinese numbers because it was convinient) although it was too little too late overall.

Germany is very federal and the states hold a significant amount of political power over their own business. Schools are closed, as are all non essential businesses. Some german states and cities have already introduced a curfew in an event of political pissing contest with Merkel, and the rest of the country is expected to follow on Monday. The plead to limit social contacts has sadly not been taken seriously by most, which is probably an effect of the low numbers of dead people and the picturesque weather the whole week. (Yes, even while Italy next door is collapsing) Also, Americans like to make the mistake of throwing all of Europe into the same pot - Italy and Germany are very very different countries in many ways and what's happening in Italy is really not applicable to Germany. For starters, Germanys medical infrastructure is much better. So good in fact, that some of the smaller countries around Germany depend on it which has been a growing problem. (and currently, we've even been taking some of the critical cases from France because those people would've died otherwise) Then there are many factors that go into spread and death rate and even culturally these countries are very different, Italy having a culture where old people are very included in the social life and many generations are often living in the same house. It's not unusual for even married, adult Italians to live with their elderly parents. You also have to see that Italy is the country with the second-oldest population in the world. The average age of all the dead in Italy from this is 78.5, which should also tell you something. Maybe, optimistically, Italy is the "perfect storm" scenario and not representative. Maybe.

On the other hand, numbers from the Robert Koch Institut (federal government agency and research institute responsible for disease control and prevention) haven't been encouraging. Right now, it is assumed that 70% of Germans will get the virus and that it cannot be contained anymore. At the current growth rate, this goal would be reached in two months, would lead to a complete collapse of the medical infrastructure and would probably leave 1-2 million people dead.

The current strategy is to delay the spread of the virus to not reach this saturation in the population too quickly as to not overwhelm the health system, but to introduce it gradually so that the health system can putter along and infrastructure can adapt. (Germany has been building emergency hospitals and wants to double it's capacity of intensive care units, which is very expensive) Even at the current death rate of Germany, this would mean about 100k people dead. With their currently published documents and some very simple math ignoring many of the unknowns, this would require months of curfews to turn the current exponential growth into more of a flat linear line, which is economically impossible. Then it also depends on how many people will need intensive care which last time I checked, is also not really clear right now. There are very many unknown factors still and there's no reason to draw a doom scenario like above, but also no reason to think it'll be just a slightly worse flu. Only time can tell. One thing that neither the German government nor public health authorities do is prettify the numbers or do optimistic projections. They're pretty clear about them and they're very serious and quite grim, just most germans have been all "LALALA CANT HEAR YOU LIFE IS GOOD" about it. It's an absolute race against time right now and the window of oppertunity to act is closing fast, which makes me all the more worried about countries that don't seem to act in any coordinated fashion at all. I'm honestly a little surprised international press hasn't been picking up much on these. There's been press conferences in Germany basically daily.
 
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Spouse phoned everyone he works with to rail that their failure to organise testing means he “is being kept from the frontline troops”, his boss flat out told him that that was probably for the best as they actually need to focus on providing a service and not “earning imaginary brownie points”, so spouse has smashed the downstairs shower door in a fit of narc rage and immense ego injury.

read John Gottman on marriage

when you start pathologizing behavior in a marriage, correctly or not, it's the beginning of the end.
 
Hospitals around here are denying visitors. L&D gets one visitor, but honestly probably shouldn't.

As for Zika, blame our fucking weird charting software. You'll enter a newborn into the system and it tells you to ask the patient about their travel history. I don't fucking know. Out of the vagina, I guess?

Out of darkness, into light? 🤣

In all seriousness, I don't have an issue with being tested or vaccinated for anything.

My real beef is with the lack of testing for asymptomatic people, such as women in advanced pregnancy, who can bring the virus in to L&D like a Trojan Horse. Basically the OB-Gyn, all the nurses on the floor, the perinatologist and their team, Post Partum and the NICU staff can be exposed to a lot of virus, and pass it on to their patients and newborns. I would feel safer for everybody, if they tested women a month, two weeks, and a week before their due-date, for the safety of the staff and the newborn.

I know that kids (even newborns) are not particularly likely to succumb. But the fact that there is an absence of information on the risks, should not imply that they aren't lurking in the shadows.

Like if a newborn dies of coronavirus, is that the primary cause of death, or is the cause of death neonatal sepsis, complicated by Corona? How is this reported?

Sorry, just concerned.
 
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Forwarded to me by a friend. This guy believes we're heading for a deflationary depression.

Still reading, but archived anyway just in case.

Factory work for making PPE, medicine and medical equipment parts should be shilled night and day like it was during WW2. Make manufacturing not only a national security issue but a patriotic duty. Have bonds like WW1 Liberty Bonds and shill them all over the place. If its a war, act like it and make those traitors go crazy and expose themselves so you can lock them up. Bring back victory gardens so we don't have to poison our food with Chinese garbage like their shit garlic.

This virus could be the best thing to happen, guarantee re-election and revitalize the USA if it's played right. Also traitors would actually get the rope this time.

I would unironically line up for some type of equipment manufacturing work right now. Pay me in bonds, even. Thanks to this thread, I was able to get myself and family ready with time to spare. The most pressing issue for us right now is what old family favorite movies to start watching first. That's all thanks to the observations and efforts of fellow kiwis, and I'd rather not just wait this out with my thumb up my ass if I could be out doing something more useful. We can all see that plenty of people could use a little help right about now.

The way I see it, you don't even have to be a blindly idealistic patriot to conclude that actively pitching in (if you can) is the winning call. We don't have to pretend that our governments give even a fractional banking fuck about us beyond our ability to keep them in power. Hell I take the same attitude towards government every day already - I give government only the minimum attention required to make it fuck off out of my day. I actually don't blame a government, made of humans, for reciprocating my sentiment.

No, I want a place to pitch in for the other people who will get fucked over if things stay pear-shaped for too long. The guy on the corner who took in a stray dog, named him Hank, and gave that dog a great home. The family who just moved into the neighborhood with their kids who I swear spend every afternoon playing softball in the yard. The retired boat salesman who invites people over for fried fish supper when he has a good day's catch.

That's enough faggoty sentimentality from me, because you get the point. Times like these bring home what's important to preserve, and when working in a factory on wartime footing is the best pathway to protecting that shit I'll do it.
 
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I wonder what they spray when they disinfect the street (from this tweet)

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Also on Twitter, a bunch of Corbynistas want to cancel the Labour leadership election and just keep Corbyn until he dies and possibly beyond that on the grounds that everyone is shitting themselves with fear over corona. Seems legit.
 
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This whole proposal is ass backwards. I'm not even really in favor of stimulus, but if we're going to do it, and it looks like we are, this is the exact opposite of how it should be done. Just the fact that they're trying to jew this into being a 'tax rebate' rather than a no strings attached cash infusion is unbelievably miserly. And on top of that trying to prevent low income workers who aren't being allowed to work, and unemployed workers who can't look for work right now, from getting money is bananas. I mean honestly, if you want to do this stop pussyfooting around it and do it. Decide on an amount and send it to every adult citizen under a certain income threshold. If congress can't get its shit together, EO that shit and tell Steve to start writing the checks. It's not that hard. I don't want to hear any boasting about Trump checks if this is all it amounts to.

I'm tempted to say this could be a good moment for Dems in congress to make themselves look good by putting forward a better plan, but knowing them they'll just bring something even more retarded to the table. (As I was typing this sentence I saw those statements from Schumer. Called it. They aren't even negotiating this plan, just pushing something completely different and twice as exceptional.)
 
I would unironically line up for some type of equipment manufacturing work right now.

We'll get there.
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"“While today will be our last day of normal operations for GM (CCA), GM and the UAW have reached an agreement that will allow us to continue delivering service and repair parts to our dealers and customers, including the police agencies, fire departments and emergency service providers who rely on our vehicles all over country," GM said in a statement to MLive-The Flint Journal."

So far I think it's only people who are already employees, but what with all the delivery companies and supermarkets scrambling to hire new workers, I'd bet the factories will be too, soon enough.
 
My real beef is with the lack of testing for asymptomatic people, such as women in advanced pregnancy, who can bring the virus in to L&D like a Trojan Horse. Basically the OB-Gyn, all the nurses on the floor, the perinatologist and their team, Post Partum and the NICU staff can be exposed to a lot of virus, and pass it on to their patients and newborns. I would feel safer for everybody, if they tested women a month, two weeks, and a week before their due-date, for the safety of the staff and the newborn.

If only we had that much testing available.

As far as reporting goes, it's up to whoever pronounces it. Or the medical examiner. There isn't any testing protocol for neonates as far as I'm aware, so...it's doubtful that it would be chalked up to vertical transmission of SARS-CoV-2.
 
3 weeks ago NYC had a stockpile of 1.5 million masks. DeBlasio handed them all out to homeless hobos instead of providing them to his primary caregivers and first responders. Then castigated Trump while demanding more. I can’t imagine how things could possiblygo badly under his enlightened leadership. I mean he has extensively studied the miracle that is the Cuban health care system.

What the fuck are homeless people going to do with facemasks?

Either you have your shit together, or you don't.

What they really need, is to be triaged. By this, I mean, you set up massive tent-shelters for them on like sports fields, etc. Put the cots like six square feet apart. Keep them seated on their cots, and deliver them their meals. Shitting and pissing by permission in a designated, sanitary spot.

Those who get up and fraternize, sit down! Test them, to see if they can cope. If they get belligerent, back to the streets.

Those who start a fight over a scrap of paper, back to the streets. Can't be helped.

Those who sit there and do what they are asked to, shelter in place.

Facemasks aren't going to save these people. But common sense might save the ones who can be saved.
 
Unfortunately they already are. Schumer and Pelosi are trying derail the "TrumpBucks" program and instead are saying we need to make a sweeping expansion of the welfare state instead.
If the Trumpbucks program is anything like a fucking tax rebate while the people at the bottom scraping for change get jack shit, then it can fuck off. If a welfar check would be every month and no strings, that's infinately better.

Trump can do what their saying via EO. Pretending the Rebublicans won't fuck people. With this is ludicrous.
 
Trip report: No paper articles at all. Wal-Mart closes at 8:30PM. Gonna hit the Commisary this weekend. Most meat is gone. Turkey was down to $0.65 a pound, so we bought 2 because we have the freezer space and a turkey can feed the family for 3-4 days with soupstock after. Dogfood and catfood was almost stripped. Social distancing was very much on display and EVERYONE was very polite. Only firearms left were .22, plenty of ammo, but 2 box limit per person per day. Local guy was selling ground beef, random percentage, $0.55 pound but you had to drive out to his farm. Bought 25 lbs because that was the limit. His wife threw in a bag of offal for the dogs for free (Dogs all danced around).

Traffic was LIGHT. Gas down to $1.75/gallon.

EDIT: Funny thing. Saw groups of Asian guys at the Wal-Mart wearing shirts saying "I'm Korean, dude..." which made me laugh.

Daily Joke: What's brown and black and looks good on a lawyer? A pittbull.

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Unfortunately they already are. Schumer and Pelosi are trying derail the "TrumpBucks" program and instead are saying we need to make a sweeping expansion of the welfare state instead.
They're derailing it by saying it's not enough? Fuck yeah they're right. 1,200 a month for people that can't even look for work, on top of losing their healthcare, is practically peanuts. It's practically a consolation prize for not dying from this yet.

I mean shit dude, this would help YOU out. Didn't you just lose your job?


Also, they're pointing out the objective bullshit amount the trumpbux bill is going to give people:

"I couldn't believe that they were talking about lowest income people getting $600 and somebody making $75,000 getting twice as much as that, $1,200," she said. "Those numbers don't make any sense.
 
They're derailing it by saying it's not enough? Fuck yeah they're right. 1,200 a month for people that can't even look for work, on top of losing their healthcare, is practically peanuts. It's practically a consolation prize for not dying from this yet.

I mean shit dude, this would help YOU out. Didn't you just lose your job?

Also, they're pointing out the objective bullshit amount the trumpbux bill is going to give people:

"I couldn't believe that they were talking about lowest income people getting $600 and somebody making $75,000 getting twice as much as that, $1,200," she said. "Those numbers don't make any sense.
ORANGE MAN GOOD. DONKEY PARTY BAD.
 
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