Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[DewsLit]

A little run down of what has transpired / happened in France, it's not much but hold on to what the corrupt government from Macron has done so far :

Agnès Buzyn, former 1st minister of health in France, after loosing the post of mayor in the first round of municipality votes for Paris, (and losing her 1st minister place and the mayor position in march) told the press she knew everything about the coronavirus situation in China all going back to 20 december.

That same health minister has a husband, Yves Lévy :

Yves Lévy is the ex director of the Biological project of the Wuhan Laboratory (no joke)

https://www.aubedigitale.com/le-mari-dagnes-buzyn-ex-directeur-du-projet-biologique-a-wuhan/

Hold on to your butts now : HydroxiChloroquine has been tested and widely used in China to cure patients and successfully so (with additional meds around it of course), but Agnès Buzyn signed the Plaquinine / hydroxichloroquine medication as "highly venomous" the 13 january 2020.

She admitted that she warned the vice president in january of the scary situation in China, that she also warned the president about it the end of january (wich they didn't took her advice, has the 1st minister of health, go figure why they didn't, saying other medical staff didn't see the emergency )

Didier Raoult has been removed from the team of specialists surrounding the president, when the cure has been tested on over 50 patients and 94% of them recovered and seen the virus completely gone from their system (even if there is some side effects sometimes, but very mild, also, this med cannot be really used to save patients in very severe condition, you need to test people and discover they have covid 19 and administrate the med as soon as possible so they don't develop the most severe symptoms, or else, if you are already in ICU, it could just precipitate your death as your system wouldn't be able to fight off side effects along your very severe state already)

in early January Agnès Buzyn has sent 17 fucking Tons of medical supplies (including masks) to China, depleting the 1 trillion masks stock France had since H1N1

The 19 march, we learned that all the pharmacies in hospitals (the one that usually are closed behind digicodes and need medical personnel keys to open even after you open them with digicodes) Have been pillaged from all the plaquinine / Hydroxichloroquine stocks, there is 0 meds left, and they are banned from being sold without a prescription in all of France.

How long till we see these in action again?

Spoiler: Your time has come again

 

[HonsPonzud]

It was mentioned earlier, but Ketamine can be used to knock someone out without arresting respiration, and most countries consider it an essential medicine.
Even without ovens, the temperatures produced by burning bodies in a big pile would devastate viruses. Coronaviruses survive for mere minutes at 80F, with exponentially worse results the higher that temp goes. Burning bodies would render the water barrier of viruses moot, and even if, by some measure, these viruses survived, the UV radiation in higher atmospheric layers combined with temperature extremes would obliterate them.

Like I said, "X" to doubt

This study is not really saying it propagates by cremating bodies tho, but by very fine / tiny particles, the virus can be as small as 3 micron when aerosolized and travel very far, very high, not needing "cremation" at all for this, just usual pollution in the air and dust too.

All metropolitan cities with huge density / pollution are fucked.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Patent trolls just tried to sue one of the few companies in America capable of making test kits in America and get the courts to shut them down.

It seems like the trolls had to back off after Biofire publicly announced that they're making WuFlu test kits, and they withdrew the suit and are offering a royalty-free license. It's still kinda bullshit that they're claiming that a license is needed, because the patent they bought from Theranos (yes, THAT Theranos) is super vague.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

To be honest, I think China would screw this up no matter what government they have and Singapore is showing how a competent authoritarian regime can handle this virus.

Singapore's authoritarian regime worked for very Singapore specific reasons. Namely Lee Kwan Yueh and the fact that Singapore's Chinese have ... Singaporean characteristics. E.g. back when I used social media I remember someone who'd say she was strongly in favor of the trans bathroom bills. When I pointed out that Singapore doesn't allow trans people in its bathrooms she said that it will take a while for attitudes to become as enlightened as hers. Of course, all she was doing was posturing on social media, she wasn't going to do anything beyond that and was quite happy for the Singaporean government to just keep automagically running things. Which they did quite well to be honest. It's like if Apple run a country. Come to think of it she was keen on Apple stuff too, despite claiming to be a GamerGrrl.

There's this old saying in the ancient times in China. When faced with an epidemic, the people will be able to see if their politicians (upper powers during that time) care about the people, or their hats (metaphor for their position, 烏紗帽 which is a black hat Chinese politicians/powers wore to indicate their position). It's fair to say that the politicians of Wuhan only cares about their powerful position.

Thanks for that bit of Chinese.

 

[Otterly]

There is a new study in Belgium about "fine particles" or Particle matters (PM) and the ability of the virus to travel VERY LONG DISTANCES through pollution of the air and whatnot ,

I think this is being misreported. PM10s and stuff in the air around you carrying viral particles into your lungs is VERY different to an airbourne cloud of pollution arrying it long distances. I just do t believe that a cremation source could create viable virus in that format. What can probably happen is a droplet plus smog and particulates at street level being a vector. Anything below a certain diameter is doing lung damage as well, and lung damage means easier access for any pathogen. But plumes of virus from cremation? No I don’t think so

 

[Shield Breaker]

I'm wondering if I am over thinking this.

My friend's job (car rentals) has day and night shifts. Since they fired a bunch of people, they had to redo the schedule and to make sure everything is 'fair' everyone has to work some day shifts and some night shifts during the week. My friend too, even though she is the senior agent or whatever.

I am pretty sure changes to people's sleep schedules negatively effects their immune system, doesn't it? Wouldn't making all of the remaining employees have these weird schedules lower their immune systems? During a pandemic and doing a job that involves interacting with people from all over the country, no less. I asked if she could quit, but she said she couldn't.

 

[simulated goat]

IDK, I can think of a lot of vulnerable people (myself included) that would voluntarily do this. Getting a guaranteed weakened version of the virus under medical supervision to immunize yourself against the far more dangerous wild version? Awesome. Hell, if we could immunize vulnerable populations, the entire fear of coronavirus would be practically wiped out. It's only scary because its killing so many vulnerable people, take them out of the equation and deaths are as rare as the flu, which nobody panics about these days. It would also free up tons of medical resources for times of crisis, which would temper fears. IME most people are panicking over the medical system collapsing, and they are panic buying because they never want to go outside until the coast is clear.

Then again I think being transparent with data and testing would quell a lot of panic VS the half speak horseshit the government is currently doing, so what do I know?

I would make sure the aquired immunity would happen and be of some benefit. I am concerned about reports of reinfection. I understand the impulse, but please no one here jump off that bridge unless we have a decent idea that a first encounter bestows immunity.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

This study is not really saying it propagates by cremating bodies tho, but by very fine / tiny particles, the virus can be as small as 3 micron when aerosolized and travel very far, very high, not needing "cremation" at all for this, just usual pollution in the air and dust too.

All metropolitan cities with huge density / pollution are fucked.

OK, but YOU sure implied that cremating bodies had to do with its spread:

This study tends to prove it, it travels through fine particles, it can be as tiny as 3 microns and get very very high in the air / atmosphere. I feel like we were right about wondering if OPEN AIR cremation in some area of China would lead to the virus travelling very far, very high in the air. Every fucking thing we were worried about and read about it from China is just becoming a reality.

I'm responding to both you and the article bud. The "article" is full of "maybes" "cans" "coulds", ece. It is a hypothesis, not proven, despite your wording:

There is a new study in Belgium about "fine particles" or Particle matters (PM) and the ability of the virus to travel VERY LONG DISTANCES through pollution of the air and whatnot , this is very frightening because we knew it was aerosolizing itself at some point in China and reports came out , a little bit coocoo, of the virus being able to travel multiple kilometers.

Example here:

the researchers attempted to detect a possible correlation between the concentration levels of atmospheric particles in air and the spread of COVID-19 pathology in Italy .

CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION. You know what else correlated with higher pollution levels? The concentration of people. You know what IS a causation of virus spread? The concentration of people. Major thunk there.

 

[Bobbypurrda]

So I browsed some local Reddit’s for some entertainment and they are fucking stupid. They have pictures of signs that I bet they made for karma saying free healthcare now and saying don’t be racist to the Chinese restaurants. Seem China is paying people to shill in areas with no Chinese people to deflect blame off of them.

I'm surprised that's all they have to say considering how long all this shit has been going on for, might as well laugh at em i suppose.

 

[HonsPonzud]

I think this is being misreported. PM10s and stuff in the air around you carrying viral particles into your lungs is VERY different to an airbourne cloud of pollution arrying it long distances. I just do t believe that a cremation source could create viable virus in that format. What can probably happen is a droplet plus smog and particulates at street level being a vector. Anything below a certain diameter is doing lung damage as well, and lung damage means easier access for any pathogen. But plumes of virus from cremation? No I don’t think so

Well, here's a google translation about it, it reports on 3 different studies that all meet to the same conclusions, if you want a read :

Google Traduction

OK, but YOU sure implied that cremating bodies had to do with its spread:

I'm responding to both you and the article bud. The "article" is full of "maybes" "cans" "coulds", ece. It is a hypothesis, not proven, despite your wording:



Example here:


CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION. You know what else correlated with higher pollution levels? The concentration of people. You know what IS a causation of virus spread? The concentration of people. Major thunk there.

We were joking about the possibility of it being aerosolized back them and traveling large distance when we also saw they were cremating bodies in any way shape or form all across Wuhan and China, it was just a throwback to that time and place. Sorry if you weren't there ! On another note you know there is evaporation of fluids and all kind of tissues out of a body way before it's completely consumed in flames tho, if you burn people in flats and in pits outside it is sometimes going in the air before it reaches very high temps nonetheless, i don't think burning bodies in the open like we saw a few times is a good idea.

 

[Computer Boy]

5,018 Positive (+1035)

Why is it in red?

 

[Shitpiss Babylord]

Why is it in red?

I'm presuming shorthand for worse more/worse than yesterday

 

[Without A Gout]

Khary Penebaker on Twitter

“Commissioner @OmariJHardy wasn't trying to hear the nonsense from Mayor Pam Triolo & City Manager Bornstein after they shut off the lights of residents last week. I appreciate his passion & am glad he chose to let the Mayor know her actions were unacceptable. #CoronaCrisis https://t.co/Io5W21IGvz”

twitter.com

American political leadership in a nutshell. Considering it's Florida, this is probably going to be multiplied for every beach-front town and city.

Florida is fucked.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Anyone interested in doing a TLW of the daily briefings?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Aight so. Time for nightly recap. Today when claping we got a surprise, as the cops and emergency personnel decided a few off-duty cop cars and ambulances should go around to thank the population back. Thing is, they were blaring the alarms so until they were close enough all that sounded was that noise coming from multiple emergency vehicles, let me tell ya, that initial shock was quite something. On the list of shit you don't wanna hear even on a good day a caravan of emergency vehicles blaring alarms in full is pretty damned high. Almost shat myself there. But hey, after the shock came the laughs so it's all fun. Also on the funny part. Some residences were too low on personnel after these outbreaks, and emergency personnel has had to fill holes. We now got nursing homes being staffed by military members, and yes, they go in cammo. It's kinda hilarious albeit also a tad fucked up.

Morale's pretty damned high despite the CCP shills' best efforts and the governments fuckups. The turn system has finally been formalized everywhere now so even healthcare personnel is seeing things improve notably in general. There are however a few that have not gotten over this morning's shock, and with good reason. Sadly partially I am one of them. Though not for any direct reason. So I guess that means it's time for a rant.

As you know this morning's outbreaks on old folks holmes were caused by lack of PPE due to PSOE's theft, and lack of testing due to PP's bullshit. Since then the PSOE has as always disappeared and thrown ISCIII under the bus even though let's remember they are only advisors and had advised against this very situation, and the PP has claimed the Junta is doing everything perfectly, blamed it all on ISCIII and went back to its bullshit...

Shit is. Reason why some haven't come back to their senses is... There's one more factor at play here. Spain is a traditional country in many ways. Medics tend to breed more medics, fishermen more fishermen, etc. Nurses breed nurses. People who work at the hospital tend to be close family of and live with people who live in nursing homes. Ok let me put you on a hypothetical. Let's say, just for a hypothetical. That someone who works in the hospital and knows for a fact they haven't been using proper PPE (because there isn't enough) is married to someone who works on a nursing home, and is in the same PPE situation. And neither of them have any symptoms, but after being tested due to the outbreak, both are positive. Let's say you're the union member that needs to help them cope as they've become convinced they're responsible for over half a docen deaths of people they swore to protect.

I am not that union member, this is a question someone asked me, claiming to be the one above someone who came to them seeking for help due to being in that situation. I know, it's a mother's cousin's best friend's fifth child kinda deal but... I'mma just leave the hypothetical here for you because that's a question I want to see you try to answer. Without going full "kill the government" if possible.

Point is, if that is true and it seems to be. It seems that while this is just an extreme minority, there's some that might never recover from this mess. Now I must emphacize it really is an extreme minority, but it still twists my gut.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Isn't knocking someone out with a severe upper respiratory illness a bad idea though? Seems like the last thing you would want to do is slow down respiration. or does it not matter as the ventilator is doing all the work?

Ventilator does all the work.

I'm not an intensivist but I do know RASS score of -1 has the best outcomes, which means you're sedated but awake and aware of the fucking thing in your trachea.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

"Trans people are more important than all these people suffocating to death from the coof"

https://archive.li/upsS0 ( https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxekyz/transgender-surgeries-delayed-coronavirus-hospitals )

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Wouldn't these surgeries be the opposite of life saving if the patient gets MRSA or some other infection?

 

[HonsPonzud]

Khary Penebaker on Twitter

“Commissioner @OmariJHardy wasn't trying to hear the nonsense from Mayor Pam Triolo & City Manager Bornstein after they shut off the lights of residents last week. I appreciate his passion & am glad he chose to let the Mayor know her actions were unacceptable. #CoronaCrisis https://t.co/Io5W21IGvz”

twitter.com

American political leadership in a nutshell. Considering it's Florida, this is probably going to be multiplied for every beach-front town and city.

Florida is fucked.

Did they really turn off the public lights in Florida... In the midst of a pandemic ? What are these clowns ? Is it just a matter of speech as saying "turning off all informations" or do they really mean they scared the shit out of people already fucking anxious about this crisis by turning off the fucking public / street lights and leaving people in the dark outside and shit ? What ?

 

[Edgeworth]

Since I'm one of the assholes that won't be quarantined even if my location shuts down, I just wish I was getting hazard pay.

I'm annoyed at how many companies are trying to baby and comfort people who are being told to stay home (most of which don't even listen to that advice, by the way) when doctors, service industry and retail workers get a pat on the back and a "good job".

 

[Without A Gout]

Wouldn't these surgeries be the opposite of life saving if the patient gets MRSA or some other infection?

I would hope that my state agrees with this thinking, but then I look at who our secretary of health is:

Spoiler: Predictable

A troon. Probably not happening here.

Did they really turn off the public lights in Florida... In the midst of a pandemic ? What are these clowns ? Is it just a matter of speech as saying "turning off all informations" or do they really mean they scared the shit out of people already fucking anxious about this crisis by turning off the fucking public / street lights and leaving people in the dark outside and shit ? What ?

That's the part that startled me. Who the fuck does that on a whim? (Besides California, we know they're the epitome of incompetent).

This pandemic hasn't even started to cascade and they're already doing it. What's going to happen there a few weeks down the road?