Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Menotaur said:
This is my last post on this forum - and I was in on it early. There isn't a whole lot to say other than Fuck - we blew our chance.

In closing to all those joining this forum thread now, it pays to go back at the start of this thread to see the obviousness of where this was all heading very early on - and to heed the predictions made by many - backed by science and not racism, arrogance or conspiracy.

There will not be a bump on global GDP, there will be a collapse. A recession is a best case scenario and it more likely will be a depression. The hope that governments would act in time is now just hindsight.

This will go on for some time and the world will never be the same after this all has passed in 12-18 months. Economies will change, currencies and the likely introduction of global digital currencies is likely along with immense job losses. Cultures will change.

Many lives will be lost, many will lose their homes, their jobs and their futures. People on this forum will lose people they love and some that they hate. I wish everyone on here the best of luck and can not stress this point enough: It is going to get immensely worse and any planning is better than no planning, but if you are of the mind this will all end and we will get back on track in 6 months, you are in for more than a disappointment.

If you for a moment could envision an advanced civilization, ask yourself who do you think would be in charge? Coal Barrons? Hotel Chain owners? Investment Bankers? Reality TV stars? People that even their own family told you not to vote for?

Or would they be scientists, academics?

What we could be is what we make it so. But not for the next decade, it is lost.

You can give me a thumbs down, a stupid vote or whatever you like, it really is of no consequence now. I have vulnerable family to attend to and there are real issues to get worked out. I'm sure the same could be said for most of you at this time.

Good luck.
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Fuck off, doomer!
We've been through fucking worse and all you can do is some autistic long winded post?
I'm gonna go through this shit laughing because militia est vita homini super terram
 
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To the guy who was asking about being on a ventilator, you can be on it indefinitely as long as you have a staff to maintain it. The reason why they try to extubate before 14 days is because the chances of you acquiring a ventilator associated pneumonia and other complications increases exponentially. Having a breathing tube for that many days is cruel. There’s a lot of care involved in maintaining it, i.e. oral care, suctioning and the risk of pressure ulcers on the tongue and lips. That’s why they trach you after two weeks (putting a smaller tube in your neck). Getting intubated is a traumatic experience and traching someone facilitates weaning from the vent easier because you can pop them off/on the vent for spontaneous breathing trials. You sedate/paralyze the patients because you need to control every single aspect of their organ function. That’s how you get better. Anyway, being on a vent after 7 days doesn’t cause brain damage, I’ve never heard of such a thing. To add to the COVID panic, the cdc changed discharge rules so if you’ve been on room air, relatively stable and haven’t exhibited a fever for >72 hrs then you’re free to go despite not receiving your results from the Department of Health. These people are having family members, etc. picking them up from the hospital and I don’t put a lot of faith in the families to quarantine themselves for two weeks. So don’t put a lot of faith in the hospitals for keeping patients with suspected COVID in isolation because we don’t have enough negative pressure rooms for them all.
 
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wokelizard said:
Feels to me like Peru is insisting on some reciprocity, to be dealt with as equals rather than vassals to be commanded. America isn't quite as awesome as it once was.
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Japan in the 1930's demanded to be treated as equals and claimed that America wasn't as awesome as it once was and ended up in a situation where they were flattened and the US went from being a regional power with a ruined economy to a superpower with a booming one.
 
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eternal dog mongler said:
The nerds on the internet think they're doing something useful.

Just let them. That's how they manage their anxieties.

Would I ever use a 3D-printed vent? No. Actually they're pretty fucking complicated to build. Did they account for spontaneous breathing? Positive pressure and negative pressure? Is this thing going to explode my patient's lungs immediately?

Who knows.
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Yeah. You'd probably want to get together a lot of really smart people, engineers and doctors and stuff, and then get it approved by a medical devices regulator.
 
Hobby Lobby is staying open because God (Yahweh) told the wife of the owner that it's all good.
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eternal dog mongler said:
The nerds on the internet think they're doing something useful.

Just let them. That's how they manage their anxieties.

Would I ever use a 3D-printed vent? No. Actually they're pretty fucking complicated to build. Did they account for spontaneous breathing? Positive pressure and negative pressure? Is this thing going to explode my patient's lungs immediately?

Who knows.
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I asked an engineer about this. The 3d printed thing in Italy was one specific part that they didn't have enough of in Italy, and it's pretty unlikely we would have the exact same issue here.
I asked if his company might get involved with making ventilators, and he said there's probably not much they could do as he thinks ventilator design is probably pretty optimized already and that's what his company does mainly. But he doesn't really know for sure.
I think people just want to think shiny new technology is gonna save us. 3d printing, apps, crispr, crowdsourcing, whatever. Just people trying to be optimistic I guess. And like you said, nerds trying to be useful.
 
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JosephStalin said:
Had a 1987 Cavalier Z24. It was pretty good. But I agree GM had better do a good job on the respirators.

Wonder how GM can build respirators on such short notice. Didn't believe they could do much of anything on short notice except raise prices and beg for government bailouts.

Don't see much difference in the Chiraq weekend death toll. Figure plenty of people in that area will be out and about. Not like they pay any attention to laws or authority.
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Well if were talking about Chevys, My first car was a Chevy beretta. 94, 4 banger with the 3 speed auto. It was slo, but damn if I wasnt the coolest kid int he parking low with a 2 door car. Everyone else had 4 doors. Our S10, Pontiac G6, and chevy impala all lasted forever.

Considering their deaths (Beretta died to rust at 22 years old with 187K on the clock, S10 sold at 212K still running, Pontiac sold at 175K still running, impala sold with 275K still running) I wouldnt be too worried about masks. Masks are easy enough to make, and cat rust.
 
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Charles.Broccoli said:
To the guy who was asking about being on a ventilator, you can be on it indefinitely as long as you have a staff to maintain it. The reason why they try to extubate before 14 days is because the chances of you acquiring a ventilator associated pneumonia and other complications increases exponentially. Having a breathing tube for that many days is cruel. There’s a lot of care involved in maintaining it, i.e. oral care, suctioning and the risk of pressure ulcers on the tongue and lips. That’s why they trach you after two weeks (putting a smaller tube in your neck). Getting intubated is a traumatic experience and traching someone facilitates weaning from the vent easier because you can pop them off/on the vent for spontaneous breathing trials. You sedate/paralyze the patients because you need to control every single aspect of their organ function. That’s how you get better. Anyway, being on a vent after 7 days doesn’t cause brain damage, I’ve never heard of such a thing. To add to the COVID panic, the cdc changed discharge rules so if you’ve been on room air, relatively stable and haven’t exhibited a fever for >72 hrs then you’re free to go despite not receiving your results from the Department of Health. These people are having family members, etc. picking them up from the hospital and I don’t put a lot of faith in the families to quarantine themselves for two weeks. So don’t put a lot of faith in the hospitals for keeping patients with suspected COVID in isolation because we don’t have enough negative pressure rooms for them all.
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It won't cause brain damage. Lung damage, sure.


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Ad Lib Moaning said:
So does the HydroxiChloroquine thing have any merit to being a cure? It is just ringing alarm bells because China somehow knew this was a cure (which brings leads to it being a created bioweapon), but the same time, this is a virus. Viruses can't be really cured except kicked out by the immune system. Something real funky seems to be going on.
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Much like HIV meds, HydroxiChloroquine works by disrupting the virus' ability to reproduce. This has the secondary effect of slowing down Coronavirus to give your body-time to fight the infection. It's not a cure, but it is showing promising results in kneecapping the disease and dramatically lowering fatality rates.
 
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3119967d0c said:
It's anti-American to not want people to suffer because Trump considers boosting the economy more important than the people who actually need the drugs he's promoting as a miracle cure?
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Oh blow that shit out of your ass. The United States has a lot more to worry about than any other nation on the planet because the United States guarantees the continued existence of the technological wonderland we currently live in. Places like China benefit massively from the near-crippling costs the United States incurs by making sure freedom of navigation and equitable trade are a thing. Yes, the US benefits from this but so does literally everyone else that chooses to participate. The United States and its president absolutely have a responsibility to keep the fundamentals of the national economy in place because that allows it to ensure the world economy remains somewhat stable, like it or not.

The United States holds ultimate power on planet earth and pays dearly every moment it continues to do so. Yes there are unique benefits that only the United States enjoys, but there are massive benefits all-around that a nation like China in its current form would never be okay with. For some nations, nobody else is allowed to do good if it means that the homeland only gets a 9/10 on the "how good is this for us" scale when it could be a 10/10 and everyone else can screw off.

Can you even fathom how much worse this whole situation would be if the US decided to scrap all of its carrier strike groups to balance the budget and let the world figure it out? Who is going to fill that gap? The Chinese? The Russians? The Europeans? Get real, dude. It would be a golden age of piracy that would make Henry Morgan blush... right before he died of the China Virus because the medical precursors to make his pills are stuck 4000 miles away, the tubes for his ventilator are somewhere in bumfuck Europe, and the fabricator in Milwaukee can't get the bolts he needs to fasten together the hospital beds because the ship carrying them got shitslammed by a bunch of Russian Yaks and dragged into port somewhere.
 
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