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Judging by some of "her" other conversations, I'm guessing she's a rice burner turned "ChinaNUMBERONE!" fag. Good to see the Chinese animal abuse redpill getting out there though.

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I decided to look through this womans timeline. She is a 30-something "stay at home" mom with a chronic condition. She had/has a BF who works as a pre-school teacher but hasn't mentioned him in 3 years, so I'm guessing single. A real piece of work.

Sure it was a disaster last time. And the time before that. And the fifteen times before THAT. But THIS time it's gonna work! I can feel it!

Is it finally time to buy the dips?
 
So what's the plan that the bill failed? Rent is going to be due for a lot of people here in a week. Can't stay at home if you don't have a home. Read a couple of mainstream articles claiming that early this week a national emergency and national guard will be activated to support local law enforcement. Probably the only choice now that people refuse to stay home and no one is going to have any money anytime soon.
 
so moving the topic off politics what's the deal with pets? can they get sick with the virus or not? so far there's only 2 cases of dogs being diagnosed positive with the virus, the first one being a "weak-positive" whatever the fuck that means and then later after coming out of quarantine being tested again and showing as negative so who knows if it was a false positive to begin with and now another dog has gotten a positive test. it seems weird that only 2 dogs have gotten infected after months of the disease ravaging the globe and over 100k tests being done, you would think more than 2 cases would have been found so my hope really is that they were just false positives.
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more than likely, the virus was just chillin in the dog's snoot, and the dog wasn't actually infected.

vets, experts, etc say there is no evidence currently that dogs can get it, carry it, or transmit it.

i can't archive atm, apologies.
 
latest shopping trip report:

The parking lot was like that of a ghost town. The grocery store is still cleaned out of pasta, bread, and paper towels. I'm also getting used to seeing notices printed out on paper on doors. Some businesses are on reduced hours, others -- especially the more "leftist" businesses like Starbucks -- remain closed.

The movie theater is of course completely closed. It was eerie seeing no movie posters in front. Just blank white spaces.

On the plus side, I didn't see anyone wearing surgical masks, and dairy seems to be making a comeback.
 
Michigan happenings.


At least 1035 people have been kissed by Miss Corona, officially 9 have gotten her most loving hugs. Fiat Chrysler is laying off workers and Ford and GM are doing staggered shifts the last I checked. Officially 3 state corrections workers have been kissed by Miss Corona; unknown how many prisoners have it. Wayne State University has a QUARANTINE DORM. Our Karen-in-Chief won't declare lockdown but is telling everyone not to go out unless we absolutely have to.
 
A) Because it's a ridiculous argument
B) Because she's the classic insane polyamorous libertarian

Of all things to dunk on a libertarian about ... And you choose to dunk on her when she's encouraging people not to spread panic? A topic that doesn't have to do with libertarianism?

We got a galaxy brain over here, folks.
 
This article is from an Australian think-tank on their opinion to deal with the crisis. They are also one of the many think-tanks advising governments worldwide.

They propose a complete lockdown.

The case for Endgame C: stop almost everything, restart when coronavirus is gone

John Daley
John Daley is a Friend of The Conversation.

Chief Executive Officer, Grattan Institute

Nobody likes talking about the COVID-19 endgame, but we need to choose one. The appropriate interventions - public health, government spending, and freedom of movement - all depend on the endgame we choose.

The differences between endgames amount to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths, hundreds of thousands of avoidable hospital admissions, and deep and systemic impacts on Australia’s economy and society.

Many discussions are underestimating the likely political reactions when death counts rise.

They are also underestimating the economic and social consequences of an open-ended epidemic that will have enormous real-world impacts on small and medium businesses, as well as many not-for-profit organisations in every sector of the economy and society. We are not facing up to the social consequences if many close, and credit markets collapse.

We see three possible endgames.

None is attractive, but one is better than the others.

Endgame A: ‘flatten the curve’
Endgame A is the plan to “flatten the curve” – restricting movements in order to lower the peak in cases, while accepting that infections will continue to grow until the epidemic has run its course. There will be many deaths.

Imperial College has demonstrated that even if Britain flattens the curve, the peak months would still overwhelm hospital intensive care capacity, (particularly ventilators) by eight times instead of 30, perhaps halving the ultimate death toll.

Australia is also likely to run out of intensive care capacity when there are about 45,000 infections - a small fraction of the population.

In reality, political economy will probably get in the way of continued growth of infections. Public pressure to “shut everything” will become overwhelming as infections rise and hospitals struggle. But by then, with exponential growth in infections from a greater base, the containment challenge will be much greater.

Once infection rates fall in response to the shutdown, there is a risk of public pressure to open again too early, increasing infections until the death rate again becomes unacceptable – what economist Tyler Cowen has dubbed the “epidemic yoyo”.

Whether that happens or not, flattening the curve will require us to suppress economic and social activity for at least 12 months, and possibly much longer. The economic - and social - cost will be enormous.

No matter how much money governments throw at the economy, most businesses cannot survive the absence of normal activity for more than a few months.

It is not just tourism and hospitality. Companies small and large across sectors from household services to manufacturing to construction, are developing and executing plans to sack hundreds of thousands of people.

Unemployment will soar, probably driving a sharp fall in house prices, causing big problems for banks.

A variant of Endgame A is to isolate everyone over 60 (the age group most at risk), infect as many younger people as possible, and then hope that the disease dies out.

It’s not really plausible. There would be continued pockets of infection in many places, and they would quickly turn into localised outbreaks, particularly in nursing homes. It would be very hard to keep everyone over 60 separate from the people who provide them with food and services (who are likely to get infected) for months.

And of course there will be some deaths among those under 60.

Endgame B: ‘trace and track’
Endgame B is to trace and track every infection, something governments are trying to do.

But as NSW has now discovered, with thousands of potentially infected people getting off planes every day, and little enforcement of voluntary isolation, it’s easy for untracked infection to take off, and then it becomes practically impossible for subsequent tracking to shut it down. It is too easy for the number of new infections to overwhelm the tracking system, and then we are back in Endgame A.

Endgame B is only plausible if you start with very few infections and have sealed borders. Tasmania is now in that world, but other Australian states are not.

Endgame C: ‘stop then restart’
Endgame C is to “stop then restart”. This means minimising activity and interactions, and sealing the borders to passenger traffic including citizens (although not trade), until infections are driven down to zero.

Only essential services would be maintained (particularly the food supply chain and utilities such as electricity, water and the internet).

There is no point trying to finesse which strategies work best; instead the imperative would be to implement as many as possible at once, including closing schools, universities, colleges, public transport and non-essential retail, and confining people to their homes as much as possible.

Police should visibly enforce the lockdown, and all confirmed cases should be housed in government-controlled facilities. This might seem unimaginable, but it is exactly what has already happened in China, South Korea and Italy.

Read more: Coronavirus and COVID-19: your questions answered by virus experts

Once infections are at zero, and stay there for a fortnight or so to ensure there are no asymptomatic cases, economic and social activity can restart sequentially, although international borders would have to remain closed to passenger traffic until there is a vaccine.

We’re better at tracking people
Governments would also need to implement widespread testing and tracking to identify and squash any recurrence (something the shutdown would give them time to set up and improve).

This will be much easier once we are not dealing with a continued flow of new infections from passenger traffic.

Some epidemiologists, such as those from Imperial College, dismiss this approach, saying renewed large outbreaks are “inevitable”. But that is only based on history and past measures to track and trace. Today’s have no precedent.

We don’t yet have China’s ability to track and trace. But in a national emergency, setting up systems to track people and their contacts using mobile data might be worth both the money and the invasion of privacy.

While some people would like to execute this strategy without shutting passenger borders hard and for a long time, it is not plausible.

Even today, almost half of Australia’s new cases are getting off planes, and every one of them increases the risks of recurrence. Mere voluntary isolation is nothing like safe enough.

An alternative might be to allow Australian citizens to enter, provided they go into enforced isolation in a quarantine station room – for which airport hotels could be repurposed.

China, South Korea and Tasmania are doing it ***
In effect, Endgame C appears to be the strategy of China and South Korea – and domestically Tasmania is heading in the same direction.

Endgame C appears to be working so far in China, where the only new cases on Thursday were incoming passengers, each of whom is required to spend 14 days in supervised isolation in a designated hotel.

In Endgame C, it is plausible the shutdown would only need to last about eight weeks.

The mathematics of exponential growth also work in reverse: if the infection rate is below 1, instead of above 2 as it is now, then large numbers of cases turn into small numbers quickly.

China went from 4,000 new cases per day to 20 per day in six weeks with an infection rate that dropped below 0.5.

In Australia, if we achieved an infection rate of even 0.8, new infections per day would reduce from 100 to 10 in about six weeks, at which point track and trace becomes much more effective.

If Endgame C is the dominant strategy, it makes sense to implement it immediately and aggressively. The longer we wait, the longer that economic activity has to remain at a standstill to get back to zero cases.

Endgame C could offer hope
Endgame C isn’t pretty. Until a vaccine is deployed - and we’re punting that there will be a vaccine - there will be no meaningful international travel, tourism or students for at least 12 months. But most of these those things won’t be happening under Endgames A or B either.

At least Endgame C would allow domestic travel and tourism, hospitality, and other domestic activity once the shutdown was over. If our major trading partner – China – also successfully executes the same strategy, our major exports might continue as well.

More importantly, if it is communicated clearly, Endgame C would give businesses a plausible end date.

They would have a reason to hang on if government intervenes to tide them over.

Measures might include forgiving taxes, paying a fraction of wages (but also requiring employees to be paid less overall), mandating big temporary rent reductions (landlords are typically better placed to absorb losses than small businesses), providing loans, and encouraging – or requiring – banks to suspend loan repayments and perhaps interest payments.

Psychologically, it would provide genuine hope. We should aim for eight weeks, and provision for twelve in case it is harder than we expect.

An eight to twelve week shutdown
That relatively short duration would enable governments to intervene better to hold society and the economy together.

The government’s strategy would focus on providing a large social insurance policy that tides people and businesses over until the shutdown ends.

The goal would be to ensure we emerged out of the trough with human and physical capital and institutions in good shape. We need to avoid deskilling and demoralising workers and destroying businesses that will not be reborn easily.

This will require very large expenditure from government, which the government can afford if the shutdown is short enough.

Endgame C is not available to every country. The disease has already spread too far in Iran, and may have done so in the United States. It’s a difficult strategy for countries with big land borders with neighbours that let the disease run.

Australia can do it, though others cannot
Australia has the advantage of being an island, with a major trading partner that seems to be adopting the same strategy. This time around, we might be the less unlucky country – if we can act quickly and decisively.

It’s possible that Endgame C might not work. Despite our best efforts, we might not be able to reduce infections, or the disease might recur when we think it has been eliminated.

But the costs of giving it a try are relatively low – in both lives and economic costs – compared with Endgame A.

In the worst case, it gives us more time to increase critical care capacity and prepare for Endgame A.

The logic is compelling: if we’re not going to pursue Endgame C (stop then restart), at the very least authorities ought to explain why it is not technically possible.

Each of the endgames are unpleasant. COVID-19 is the real-life “trolley problem” in which someone is asked to choose between killing a few or killing many.

When any of us are presented with the trolley problem, the all-but universal response is to refuse to choose.

That is what we are doing at the moment, and it will just make our problems worse.

We should recognise this psychology, and decide to choose the least-bad endgame.

The faster we do it, the less bad it will be.

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The Grattan Institute are also fond of people cleaning out their superannuation to deal with this crisis.
That's quite interesting, considering dating back to at least 2012, The Grattan Institute has also been angry that superannuation is allowing people to "retire too wealthy".

This whole panic and hysteria response is in contrast to an actual doctor's assessment on the true impact of this virus.
This article is important, because it points out the reality of where this virus will truly sit in terms of other viruses.

People really do need to be aware that Japan hasn't gone over the top and they're doing relatively fine.
*** SK also hasn't gone completely batshit insane and closing everything down like this guy claims. Being disingenuous doesn't make something true.

Reactions like this really make you think.
 
Thanks, Democrats: Your actions are making this thread yet another 2020 Election thread. lol.

Seriously, though: The reaction to the Democrats doing this is bad. I turned on the news earlier this evening because (a) I apparently hate myself, and (b) I wanted to see what the shills are saying about it. Their reactions? Well ... They're not good. Trust me, they've done the mental gymnastics to try to justify it, but they know that their actions today are really bad optics for the average voter.

Trump can easily use this as ammo against the Democrats for his campaign now. Trump essentially got a freebee from them. Nice job, Dems.

There is a HUGE number of families where both breadwinners have been put out of work by the ChiCom Flu. That money would be a godsend to so many. The Dems have always styled themselves as the champion of the working people. The Dems have shown they don't care about the working people, or the American people, at all. They only care about their party. Party over country, Yep, that's going to go over REAL well for the Dems in November. President Trump will make very good use of yet another betrayal of the American people by the Dems. Fuck the Dems, fully.
 
links i can find right now


more than likely, the virus was just chillin in the dog's snoot, and the dog wasn't actually infected.

vets, experts, etc say there is no evidence currently that dogs can get it, carry it, or transmit it.

i can't archive atm, apologies.

 
Fuck me this thread has somehow become even shittier than it was before. Every other post is the same dipshit group of trolls and nobody even bothered to laugh at this incredible image. I looked and didn't see a response. Maybe I missed it but I dunno...



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Jewish flag behind her just makes it so much better


Edit: we need second megathread for us eurofags. Im tired with trump and murrica faggotery here *sigh*
 
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There is a HUGE number of families where both breadwinners have been put out of work by the ChiCom Flu. That money would be a godsend to so many. The Dems have always styled themselves as the champion of the working people. The Dems have shown they don't care about the working people, or the American people, at all. They only care about their party. Party over country, Yep, that's going to go over REAL well for the Dems in November. President Trump will make very good use of yet another betrayal of the American people by the Dems. Fuck the Dems, fully.

The Dems always struck me as rich people pretending to care for the poor. At least the Republicans don't hide their disdain for those beneath them.
 
So what's the plan that the bill failed? Rent is going to be due for a lot of people here in a week. Can't stay at home if you don't have a home. Read a couple of mainstream articles claiming that early this week a national emergency and national guard will be activated to support local law enforcement. Probably the only choice now that people refuse to stay home and no one is going to have any money anytime soon.
I don't think renters can legally be evicted without a court order, so as long as courts are shut down as well, landlords will have to pound sand.
 
There is a HUGE number of families where both breadwinners have been put out of work by the ChiCom Flu. That money would be a godsend to so many. The Dems have always styled themselves as the champion of the working people. The Dems have shown they don't care about the working people, or the American people, at all. They only care about their party. Party over country, Yep, that's going to go over REAL well for the Dems in November. President Trump will make very good use of yet another betrayal of the American people by the Dems. Fuck the Dems, fully.
I'll be surprised if this doesn't bite them in the ass. It's amazing how blatant they're being with this shit.
 
I don't think renters can legally be evicted without a court order, so as long as courts are shut down as well, landlords will have to pound sand.
Something tells me alot of stingy landlords with no regard for tennants might go missing if they try to abuse their power too much and police not being able to do much.
 
I don't think renters can legally be evicted without a court order, so as long as courts are shut down as well, landlords will have to pound sand.

Fun fact: You don't need a court if you can hire 5 or 6 burly ass men with baseball bats.

I suspect this is what's going to end up happening to those Commie fucks trying to use the virus to move illegals into state housing in California.

I'll be surprised if this doesn't bite them in the ass. It's amazing how blatant they're being with this shit.

Doesn't matter. The media is covering for them.



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We'll see if the GOP can stop fighting itself long enough to make enough noise about this that the DNC can't hide it.
 
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