Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Socrates]

I don't see this dethroning Plod Turd Man. The stock market was pretty ridiculously overbought before all of this happened anyways and I think people were looking for any reason to finally sell. If this was happening in July or August he might have been toast. As long as we don't hit something ridiculous like -20% losses I don't think it's time to freak out about recession. The markets aren't anywhere close to as overly leveraged on sketchy investments as they were back in 2008. When it comes to wall street it's easy come easy go, panic selling is what makes losers.

...Really glad I didn't promise to eat a hat or anything. Yeesh.

Edit: accidentally quoted something completely unrelated.

 

[F a c t M a c h i n e]

Well shit.

 

[JosephStalin]

I almost miss the bird and swine flu scares. I remember just reading about them on the internet, but no one freaked out IRL.

The Chinese are still dealing with the African swine flu, which has killed millions of pigs. China's preferred meat is pork. Also understand avian flu's going around.


Added... here's a very good article about the human and economic costs of these lockdowns.

Consider the costs | Spectator USA

It is worth reviewing what we know and don’t know about the coronavirus epidemic to assess the benefits and costs of the growing policies

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Well shit.
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Very thoughtful. By the end of the 15 DAY PERIOD Trump should know if he should have TAKEN ACTION at the start of the 15 DAY PERIOD.

 

[heathercho]

Well shit.
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Good. Because shutting everything down without an end in sight and being autistic about it will cause more deaths than Kung Flu.

You're lucky America, that you didn't elect the coughing bandit. I'm surprised she's not Patient Zero.

Amid coronavirus outbreak, cruise ship with more than 250 ill passeng…

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Amid coronavirus outbreak, cruise ship with more than 250 ill passengers heads for Perth

I dont have words for this. At this point I just dont. How many more flippen cruise ships are out there?

@polonium, Do you think WA should take them or let 'em float?

 

[Non-Expert!]

Would this be for any reason other than he makes more than the income limit?

There is probably more money coming for people in this kind of situation. I wouldn't assume it's the last relief bill. It's just that the money is needed NOW, and the primary purpose is probably to reduce some uncertainty for people while the government sorts through the giant mess they've been handed and figures out what else they can do.

FWIW I wouldn't get much money from the proposed bill either, but I still think it's better for it to happen urgently to reduce panic, give people some hope and give the government some time to figure out what's next.

I talked to him about it actually and he told me that our family and the Karens stand to benefit from it.

Low income people who did not file income tax for 2018, do not.

So basically with everything being closed he would use the check to pay off debt or to invest in stocks that are tanked that will go up later. He could also use it for a house payment.

Basically I figure at its worst, the check could go into house payments for doomed mortgages, rent payments for doomed leases, and paying off a small chunk of debt, for more or less doomed credit cards. All of this is doomed, if the breadwinner(s) lose job.

I mean sure, some Karens might go to Wal-Mart and purchase 1000 bucks of toothpaste, batteries, ass-wipe, Benadryl and puffs tissue, but Wal-Mart is not going out of business any time soon. 1000 bucks doesn't do anything to keep the handyman, the nanny or cleaning-lady employed.

Karen's don't generally use Mom and Pop businesses. They go to Applebees or Olive Garden, rather than the local family-owned Thai restaurant. So small business is going to be hurt and stay hurt.

So I think that the Democrats see that this check strictly favors the banks, the large corporations and the Karens and said "we need something deeper than this."

 

[JosephStalin]

I talked to him about it actually and he told me that our family and the Karens stand to benefit from it.

Low income people who did not file income tax for 2018, do not.

So basically with everything being closed he would use the check to pay off debt or to invest in stocks that are tanked that will go up later. He could also use it for a house payment.

Basically I figure at its worst, the check could go into house payments for doomed mortgages, rent payments for doomed leases, and paying off a small chunk of debt, for more or less doomed credit cards. All of this is doomed, if the breadwinner(s) lose job.

I mean sure, some Karens might go to Wal-Mart and purchase 1000 bucks of toothpaste, batteries, ass-wipe, Benadryl and puffs tissue, but Wal-Mart is not going out of business any time soon. 1000 bucks doesn't do anything to keep the handyman, the nanny or cleaning-lady employed.

Karen's don't generally use Mom and Pop businesses. They go to Applebees or Olive Garden, rather than the local family-owned Thai restaurant. So small business is going to be hurt and stay hurt.

So I think that the Democrats see that this check strictly favors the banks, the large corporations and the Karens and said "we need something deeper than this."

The Democrats can go fuck off and die. They do not give flying fuck one about the nation or the American people. They care only for their party, They HATE the average American. HATE them. They HATE the idea than ANYONE other than themselves want to do something RIGHT NOW to help millions of working families now without income due to this bullshit known as "sheltering-in-place". $1200 may not be much to some, but to many that's a lot, in a nation where a lot of people cannot even come up with $400 for an emergency without using a credit card. And $2400 for a couple with kids? A godsend until people can get back to work.

Dems - the true party of hatred, hatred of the American people. Fuck the Dems, fully.

End the lockdowns. Throw off the fear.

 

[Non-Expert!]

The Democrats can go fuck off and die. They do not give flying fuck one about the nation or the American people. They care only for their party, They HATE the average American. HATE them. They HATE the idea than ANYONE other than themselves want to do something RIGHT NOW to help millions of working families now without income due to this bullshit known as "sheltering-in-place". $1200 may not be much to some, but to many that's a lot, in a nation where a lot of people cannot even come up with $400 for an emergency without using a credit card. And $2400 for a couple with kids? A godsend until people can get back to work.

Dems - the true party of hatred, hatred of the American people. Fuck the Dems, fully.

End the lockdowns. Throw off the fear.

The poor won't get any help from this whatsoever. For the folks for whom $1,200 is a lot, they won't see a penny of it. And for those for whom $1,200 is a week's salary, that money won't stimulate much of anything or save the house.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I talked to him about it actually and he told me that our family and the Karens stand to benefit from it.

Low income people who did not file income tax for 2018, do not.

So basically with everything being closed he would use the check to pay off debt or to invest in stocks that are tanked that will go up later. He could also use it for a house payment.

Basically I figure at its worst, the check could go into house payments for doomed mortgages, rent payments for doomed leases, and paying off a small chunk of debt, for more or less doomed credit cards. All of this is doomed, if the breadwinner(s) lose job.

I mean sure, some Karens might go to Wal-Mart and purchase 1000 bucks of toothpaste, batteries, ass-wipe, Benadryl and puffs tissue, but Wal-Mart is not going out of business any time soon. 1000 bucks doesn't do anything to keep the handyman, the nanny or cleaning-lady employed.

Karen's don't generally use Mom and Pop businesses. They go to Applebees or Olive Garden, rather than the local family-owned Thai restaurant. So small business is going to be hurt and stay hurt.

So I think that the Democrats see that this check strictly favors the banks, the large corporations and the Karens and said "we need something deeper than this."

Except for the part about people on SSI, Workers Comp, Railroad Pensions, Union Pension, Government Pensions, and Vet Benefits being covered in the one I saw.

That would have helped a lot of people.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Except for the part about people on SSI, Workers Comp, Railroad Pensions, Union Pension, Government Pensions, and Vet Benefits being covered in the one I saw.

That would have helped a lot of people.

But those people are getting paid anyway. And anything pension, they've got their lifestyle covered. ... a bit more money would help but it is not like they are going to say woo-hoo now I can get some rims for my low-rider. And Maybel can finally get that expensive hair-do and we can renovate the kitchen. Arguably if they are not at risk for losing their job, why do they need to be gifted cash?

The people who need it are the poor.

 

[BillyGoat2]

I found a leaked PDF on the US governments response plan for Coronavirus dated march 13th.

Seems legit.

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Kazakh update: it hasn't even begun

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61st case identified.

В Нур-Султане ужесточили требования в период карантина

Аким столицы Алтай Кульгинов рассказал об ужесточении мер по противодействию распространению коронавирусной инфекции, передает корреспондент

tengrinews.kz

Nur-Sultan under total lockdown. Everyone who arrives by plane is tested then asked to self-quarantine. Streets are getting disinfected.

 

[MechanicusAdmin]

@polonium, Do you think WA should take them or let 'em float?

Heard about this new Plague Ship on the local radio this morning.
And I'm sure I heard our Premier was considering turning Rotto back into a leper plague colony prison again for the infected so maybe they'll end up there for a little holiday.

 

[Brutalist]

The poor won't get any help from this whatsoever. For the folks for whom $1,200 is a lot, they won't see a penny of it. And for those for whom $1,200 is a week's salary, that money won't stimulate much of anything or save the house.

This is, as far as I can tell, completely false. Anyone with at least 2500$ of qualifying income in the last year would receive 600$, and still apply for the 500$ per children. For reference, the poverty line in the US sits around 13 000$ per person per year.
Saying that the poor would not receive any support is disingenuous. Tax evaders wouldn't, and the extremely poor might not, but this would still affect a large majority of destitutes.

You do however have a point, the middle class doesn't particularly need relief right now. Preserving jobs should be the current priority on that front.
To do that, the market has to eventually stabilize. That might, as unsavoury a thing as it might be, involve the promise of bailouts for companies whose spines were shattered by a month of inactivity. Those should favor the workers, obviously, but they still need to happen before the dow dips lower than a septuagenarian's tits.
Corona is unlikely to decimate the workforce, but if every company goes bankrupt two weeks before work can begin again, things can't very well go back to normal.

I don't share your optimism that the Democratic relief bill will be better, and that their intentions are noble. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[Hecate]

this reeks of an attempt by China to change Google search results.
does no one remember Hong Kong and their 5 demands? I don't think it's an accident that these are named the same thing. it just stinks of SEO manipulation, especially considering the rumors that this stunt may have been staged.

some may call me a conspiracy theorist but I honestly think most of the sjw bullshit we've been seeing over the years has been coming mostly from China to undermine the United States social cohesion and patriotism. and I think it's coming from our universities and Chinese transfer students/professors.

maybe im crazy but it wouldn't be the wildest psy-op out there

EDIT: well this just about confirms it

Anita Sarkeesian on Twitter

“Why hasn't America frozen rents and mortgages? Why hasn't America nationalized its health services? Why hasn't America released everyone in prisons? Why hasn't America issued a "shelter in place" for the whole nation? Now's a good time to read up on alternatives to capitalism.”

twitter.com

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"now it's time to read up on alternatives to capitalism"
has Anita always been on a Chinese paycheck or is she doing it for free?

 

[Vecr]

I found a leaked PDF on the US governments response plan for Coronavirus dated march 13th.

Seems legit.

If my interpretation of the document is correct, wearing a gas mask or respirator is the best way to avoid the virus, not handwashing.

Why didn't they tell us this earlier?

Edit: still wipe down your mask and wash your hands, it still helps *some*.

 

[Skin and Bones]

In more positive news, despite a stay at home order being issued in Delaware, and all non-essential businesses being closed starting Tuesday, liquor stores will remain open.

 

[cuddle striker]

anything that doesn't assist the homeless and the walking dead is going to do nothing in the long run; they've got to just hand the shit over and stop forking it out to the market (a trillion a day! the fuck?!)

tests came in. we've had another wave of them. this time they're allowing only symptomatic people to get tested; still a bad decision. it's better than nothing.

results from last wave are way more than anticipated; most people with a cough and fever or with a cough and diarrhea are positive.

someone said earlier in the thread that nurses will eventually quit because the PPE runs out; I don't think you know medical workers. what will happen is that nurses will die. gladly, a lot of them. doctors, nurses, anyone who works with the living. they'll work with a piece of paper taped to their nose and hope for the best and they'll die before they quit.

I'm lucky; nobody's life immediately depends on me and I'll definitely stay home if we run out of PPE. my throat is fine today, a day without shouting does a world of good.

 

[Non-Expert!]

OK I am going to go ahead and say what no politician or decent person is going to vocalize. But I have little to lose, even if fully doxed, so whatever. So grit your teeth. And Don't shoot the messanger.

Truth be told, there is little sense in bickering about stimulus packages or about what it means to be American vs. Communist ... The reasoning behind these lockdown measures is to slow down an inevitable die-off. So as it stands, it looks like 2/100 + tests die. If even 1 out of 1000 people who are exposed to this COVID virus succumb, we are still in big trouble.

Let's just look at LA County. Crunch the numbers. estimated population= 10,118,759
Ok test the entire population by some magic plastic wand .... 10,118,759 will ultimately test positive if we allow nature to unabashedly take its course. After all we are talking about airborne infectious disease.

So if 1/1000 succumbs, then we have 10,118 deaths in LA County, alone. And a lot will be in-between ... with proper care, they will survive.

So do we let all hell break loose and allow kids to pick this virus up at the schools and daycares, and young people to go to crowded venues, and let the disease spread like wildfire?

Only if you have the hospitals and mortuary services to host about 15,000 deceased and could-have been deceased, in the next 8 weeks.

In the next couple of years, barring some miracle, we will see around 10,000 deaths in LA County. And in your jurisdictions, the ratios will be similar.

So the purpose for spreading out the infection rate is to slow down the die-off, and to have the resources to save lives that can be saved.

So as I see it, once thie peak of this general die-off has passed, things will get back to normal, so as far as "helping people out" and throwing out life-preservers, it is in government's interest to target people who will survive this and make it economically easier on them to do so.

Nobody said it, but I think that this is the subtext.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Here's the thing:

The people out of work right now at the start of these lockdowns are not out of work by choice. They were literally forced to stop working, for god knows how long.

I don't believe in handouts in regular cases, but when people literally can't work because of government mandates, what other option do you have to offer relief while everything is still shut down?

The Democrats are REEEEing at the thought of these lockdowns ending. Yet, they just shut down a bill that offers a little bit of relief to the people who are literally forced NOT to work.

The media can try to put lipstick on that pig all they want. The Democrats just voted to not offer a paddle to those who are up Shit Creek, when the government mandated to put those people on Shit Creek in the first place, no less.

Keep in mind that I agree with a lot of the lockdowns that are happening; some areas are too out of control not to do something. There is no way to fight this virus without some sort of sacrifice. These are hard times, with some hard solutions.