Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

I admit that Americans are far less disciplined in regards to staying indoors, but I have a proposal that could keep Americans in isolation until this boils over.

Electronic tethering with cash incentives. Simply have a range device linked to a phone. As long as the phone is in range, then you're making money. Also allow the user to pause the program for 3 hours daily to take care of essentials like groceries or walking pets.

Biden just spoke. He looked like hell, was basically whispering in front of a green screen. BRUTAL.

 

[Stoneheart]

I bet the 40% of the hospitalized that are age 20-44 that the media is freaking out about are either smokers or fat.

but smoking is cool, cant stop it or the other cool kids will not play with me anymore...

 

[Kornheiser]

When do you guys think the lockdowns will slowly be lifted? I think in a week or two but some areas want to see people suffer and they won’t do anything.

 

[Barnard]

Aren't those the same as the WHO ones that were throwing 40% false negatives?

Not sure really. And correction, the info comes not from Poland, but from the Czechs, who purchased stuff from China recently:

ONLINE: Rychlotesty na koronavirus z Číny mají podle krajské hygieničky chybovost až 80 procent

Využít by zřejmě šly hlavně jako ověřovací testy u lidí v končící karanténě, kteří nikdy nebyli pozitivně testováni.

www.irozhlas.cz

Don't see any mention of WHO in the article though.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Biden just spoke. He looked like hell, was basically whispering in front of a green screen. BRUTAL.

He was occasionally slurring and recommending that the administration do things it's already doing. How incompetent are his handlers?

 

[mr.moon1488]

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I wonder if Pelosi is freaking out that this isn't spinning their way.

They're actually making things worse on Twatter from what I've seen by chimping out at anyone who even remotely criticizes them.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Florida got a huge spike in numbers thanks to getting more testing kits. I'm worried we won't get too many in an effort to keep people from panicking more than they already have.

Coronavirus in Florida latest: Testing increases, state parks close, …

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Article on rebels across the world. I'm partially sympathetic but not to the people jokingly coughing on older people.

Coronavirus rebels from France to Florida flout lockdown practices | …

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Coronavirus rebels from France to Florida flout lockdown practices | Fox News

Young German adults hold “corona parties" and cough toward older people. A Spanish man leashes a goat to go for a walk to skirt confinement orders. From France to Florida to Australia, kitesurfers, college students and others crowd the beaches.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Goronnn]

Explain how when Wuhan is 10 times the physical size of NYC, Wuhan only has 3 million more than NYC but ten times the area.

I literally told you how later on in my post.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

When do you guys think the lockdowns will slowly be lifted? I think in a week or two but some areas want to see people suffer and they won’t do anything.

I'm going to say early april. Locking down for more then a month isn't feasible without trillions in subsidies and trillions in relief packages, event hen the damage will be nasty and take years to recover from, and people are not meant to stay inside all day. Even the most introverted are going to pine to go to a restaurant or store.

The states may try to extend it, only to find that event he most law abiding citizens are refusing to comply, and you cant arrest half the state. There is Earle resistance to current lockdown measures.

One way or another, these measures will be lifted by mid april.

 

[AMHOLIO]

When do you guys think the lockdowns will slowly be lifted? I think in a week or two but some areas want to see people suffer and they won’t do anything.

Depends on the area. My area in Florida will get the shaft due to our large population (and a larger increase in stupidity natually) and I don't see limits being lifted until May-ish. Less desnly populated areas will likely fare better.

 

[Reverend]

Florida got a huge spike in numbers thanks to getting more testing kits. I'm worried we won't get too many in an effort to keep people from panicking more than they already have.

Coronavirus in Florida latest: Testing increases, state parks close, …

archived 23 Mar 2020 15:07:01 UTC

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Article on rebels across the world. I'm partially sympathetic but not to the people jokingly coughing on older people.

Coronavirus rebels from France to Florida flout lockdown practices | …

archived 23 Mar 2020 15:13:12 UTC

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These idiots (goes for more than florida) think everyone can work/learn/live remote but have not put one goddamn dime into improving infrastructure needed to support these initiatives. After giving telecoms bajillions of dollars we are seeing more and more slow downs on traffic to people's cell phones, homes, and other data connected devices.

I can't wait for the US to beg netflix to throttle their content down to 720p and watch folks stuck at home rage like wild gibbons at the sub poor quality.

 

[No_one]

Meanwhile, Pakistan is fucked. (archive)

A guy comes back from a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia to his home town, throws a feast for 2000 people, 9 days later becomes the first fatality. Ironic, as despite a lack of qualifications he ran the "village clinic". Lots of other people came back from pilgrimages to Iran as was mentioned in the thread. Now people are freaking out and go into hiding instead of getting tested.

 

[Angry New Ager]

...Cultural Marxism has been a lot more resilient to this outbreak than I would have expected. While the borders have been closed and globalism has taken a huge blow already, the ideologues and people who profit from division and tribalism have been really ratcheting up the bs.

It's remained resilient so far because things haven't yet got bad enough here in the West. And it's not Corona-chan herself who is going to turn the tide on it; it's the extended economic contraction that's following in her wake that will likely do it.

The noisiest proponents of identity politics are all coming from a position of privilege and relative comfort. Every fucking one of them. Every dangerhair and soyboy, or middle-class black woman, or Brahmin-caste Indian-American who spends time policing language and calling others out on their privilege is doing so because they themselves are privileged--and they hate themselves for it, and the weakness it implies. They've never had to struggle for survival in any meaningful way, are totally unprepared to do so, and are absolutely terrified at the prospect. They've been raised by ideologues to feel shame for every advantage they've been blessed with, so they attack anybody who shares those advantages, yet refuses to feel guilty about them. And because this is an intolerable mode of existence, of course they try to find relief in claiming oppression for themselves through various identities--be it mental illness, disability, or as a sexual minority--and policing the shit out of those, too.

What's going to happen, however, is that the great majority of these people (the ones without trust funds) are going to spend the next few years--if not the next decade--scrambling just to survive. They're going to have to toughen the fuck up by several orders of magnitude if they're not going to fall permanently through the cracks or completely self-destruct. The hardening-off-by-reality process that normally takes decades to turn idealistic young lefties into old conservatives is going to get compressed into a lot less time, so I can easily see a massive rightward shift happening in the next decade--but I can also see a significant minority choosing to go the full-blown commie/Antifa route, too. And if you think the culture wars of the last decade or so have been bad, I suspect you ain't seen nothing yet.

I see people on all kinds of forums, and on social media, who are still operating under the assumption that once the coronavirus epidemic blows over in a month or so, everything's going to go right back to normal. And I have no idea how to break it to them that no--no it's not. They all seem to believe that this is just a singular episode that will be nothing more than an unpleasant memory by the end of the year, so they keep carrying on, talking seriously about how calling it the Chinese coronavirus is racist, how terrible it is that trans people can't get themselves surgically mutilated right now, and how fatphobic it is to joke about gaining weight during quarantine. It's just crazy, watching this, knowing that all of this is going to be the least of these people's concerns in the not-too-distant future.

 

[Not Really Here]

I am so autistic I would rather use random assertions than admit I'm wrong .

I understand.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

but smoking is cool, cant stop it or the other cool kids will not play with me anymore...

I found an interesting study from 1942(!) on the antiviral properties of propylene glycol mist

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135271/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200316080441/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2135271/

Maybe switch from smoking to vaping. The cool kids will probably tease you a bit and you won't be an alpha pack leader but you'll still be able to hang with the pack.

 

[Not Really Here]

There's more bad news actually. Back in the old days hand sanitizers used to be mostly 60%+ ethanol. Antibacterial handwashes contained triclosan which was very effective. Hard surface sanitizers contained bleach. Now if it was still like that then there's a good chance coronavirus would not persist on hands or hard surface. However, it's not. Hand sanitizers moved to be 'alcohol-free' which meant they are a dilute solution of benzalkonium chloride. Antibacterial handwashes dropped the triclosan because the FDA banned it and are now no more antimicrobial than soap - they wash away microbes but they do not inactivate them. Hard surface sanitizers are mostly benzalkonium chloride too because that's more green or some shit.

So most households, even ones which had a stock off 'antibacterial' stuff even before the shit hit the fan have a bunch of stuff which is not effective in inactivating the virus. How do I know that? Well look at this

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/2020022...fection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/pdf

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The original version of hand sanitizer with 60%+ alcohol would have inactivated the virus. The new one with benzalkonium chloride does not. The old version of surface sanitizers with bleach would have inactivated the virus, the new one with benzalkonium chloride would not.

There is some evidence that triclosan would have inactivated coronavirus were it still present. E.g. here

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19692148
https://web.archive.org/web/20120120070354/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19692148



Now there were issues with triclosan so I'm not entirely convinced that banning it from hand washes was a bad idea. If you wash your hands you can remove microbes down the drain even if they are not inactivated. Still wiping down all your surfaces, some contaminated with the virus, with an agent that doesn't inactivate that virus means you're merely spreading it around. Phasing out ethanol from hand sanitizer and bleach from surface sterilizers was a much more questionable move.

Also that 60%+ ethanol stuff was excellent for starting fires without tinder.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

How bad will the damage get in NYC? Didn’t take too long for them to top Washington State. Makes me grateful to live in a flyover state.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I think it's just anecdotal for now, but Polish epidemiological labs are hinting that quick corona tests imported from China give results divergent from standard, precise lab tests in up to 80% of the time. Anyone heard similar stories?

Aren't those the same as the WHO ones that were throwing 40% false negatives?

As I mentioned before due to mutations tests have had to be freeballed by every country (and even region), here in spain we even got issues with madrid tests not working as accurately on catalonia. So as much as I'd like to say the chinks did cheap trash again, nah, this isn't their fault. This virus' mutations happen in areas used to detect its presence, which is an issue.

I’ve updated my COVID-19 file with a bunch more information, with info on PPE and a Glossary:

COVID19_Analysis_and_Summary.docx

Microsoft Word Document

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This is getting a little scary, folks.



The nose cells controlling smell are nerves. The virus has been found in people’s cerebrospinal fluid. If people are saying it’s not neurological at this point, they’re being disingenuous.

Not really. Thing is the reason for the smell obstruction is due to inflamation of surrounding area, not damage to the cells themselves. The flu and colds do this too. The thing is this virus does it more often and more notably.

Also, being on the fluid means nothing. Alm that means is that this virus is good at getting everywhere. But to actually damage and infect neurons the virus would have to first get through the mielin spiral, which is fucking excessive, very few things get through that and there is no evidence of the virus doing so.

On mielin spirals: for those that don't know. Neurons are so specialized they don't even maintain themselves, instead their axons are covered by glial cells which take care of them and do all their metabolic and maintenance functions. These cells grow by twisting themselves over and over again around the axon, forming a spiral made of mielin (cellular membranes), a pathogen wishing to damage the neuron has to manage to get through the whole spiral oayer after layer, each of which has defense mechanisms meant to detect and either expell or digest pathogens. I assure you, it's really fucking hard. Saying that a virus causes neurological damage just because it's in the fluid is like saying that someone has managed to escape from SOVIET RUSSIA just because they managed to get out of their bathroom.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

I can't wait for the US to beg netflix to throttle their content down to 720p and watch folks stuck at home rage like wild gibbons at the sub poor quality.

Beg? No, they'll just demand it. People are learning what "prioritized traffic" is now. They're suspending Net Neutrality begging netflix not to fuck them in the EU because of this. Turns out tele-doctors and telecommuting for businesses are more vital to society than netflix and game streaming. Not wrong that people are going to chimp out about it, but this is the fundamental reason net neutrality was not pushed through in the US. However, I would say that our broadband networks need an absolute upgrade so that throttling doesn't need to happen in the future.

 

[roxitp0w3rwuzdabest420]

Unlimited money stonks still down. Can't figure out how to help people. There just going to let the virus run thru the population.