Shy Hard 2: Shy Harder

All I remember about that name was that he was one of the Dutch Fuckers. I don't recall JmarieV's schtick. But at least it wasn't as hilarious as the the Dutch Juche Idealist guy who made out North Korea to be some sort of paradise for incel guys.

He was whining about how being gay was a choice and how he didn't want his (then) unborn son to be gay. Because apparently, choice and disease are synonymous.
 
Oh yeah, he was the guy who claimed to be a Muslim convert, was about to get married thanks to PUA (I think) and was indeed violently homophobic.

Do you remember anything else about him? I'm kind of curious about his marriage.
 
Do you remember anything else about him? I'm kind of curious about his marriage.
Not much. Just that he was obsessed with continuing his bloodline and living long enough to see his great-great grandchildren marry and have kids. Hence why he as so anti-gay when I said that why should he care of he wouldn't live long enough to see them. But with medical science these days, who knows? Either way, he would be dead or, much like Barb and her apparent indifference to Chris's gender self-identity, too old to care.
 
I posted this in chat earlier but I might as well post this and expand it here while I'm smacking loveshies around with my Keyblade; I don't even know why these autistics call themselves "loveshy". You'd think that word means "shy with relationships" but it's more like "I want a relationship where I have a woman under my thumb" these days and that makes people who are actually shy about love look like they just want to control society like some cartoon villain just for having social anxieties or whatever. Men who have social anxieties don't need to be painted as bad guys just for being shy or asocial and having human needs at the same time; that's just one reason I loathe the loveshy community, in addition to these demons preying on socially weak men to recruit ideologues.

I suppose "Loveshy" sounds better than "wannabe womanizer spergs" though.
 
I guess I'll just drop this infobomb here: I am something of a recovering loveshy. While I never visited any of these sites and never went as far as blame women for all my problems, for a while I was full of internal anger and resentment for my lack of social prowess and self-confidence, especially with the opposite sex. Instead of turning all my frustration on the rest of the world as we often see here, I turned it in on myself. Neither form is very healthy; both are incredibly self-destructive. The biggest problem with this kind of thinking is how cyclical it can be. It thrives upon negative images of yourself and others and perpetuates them because you have no idea of what the alternative truly looks like or whether it can even be feasible. It's a type of thinking that can honestly ruin your life, as it almost did mine.

One of the most ironic things about these people is their professed love of Friedrich Nietzsche, who has honestly helped me understand why their line of thinking is so inimical to life, particularly The Genealogy of Morals. Their resentment towards those they view as superior to them (I find it no surprise of how often their shitty comics tend to accentuate "Chad's" physical characteristics) has simultaneously defined their own values as the negation of their enemies. The result is the purest of slave morality, where hatred and jealousy are the bulwarks of their values and it is only through antagonism that they can define their self-worth. Overcoming insecurity does not come from hatred of the other; it comes from the creation of new values that can exist independently of your enemies.

Don't like party culture? Don't participate in it, but don't hate those that do because you feel they are superior to you. While as I have said before, there are some genuinely fucked up things about party culture, the majority of people can participate in it without selling their souls to hedonism. You can find many people who are still deep and complex people; having fun does not stop this. And even if it did, why would it offend you if they do? Should the stronger party be overwhelmed by what the weaker does? Because if what the loveshys say makes them strong certainly does not reflect that based upon how much they complain about others. What others do with their life has no bearing on yours, only a person who can truly create new values for themselves can realize this. The whole problem of resentment is that you essentially depend on the values which bring yourself and others so much pain to the extent that you must make your own inferiority into superiority as the loveshys have clearly done.

tl;dr: Git gud. l2transvalute n00b.
 
hey guys IceCat from LS.com here.

I don't know why you guys are hating on mooo/fonduman, they guy is genuinely a 'nice guy', especially in comparison to others you find on that site.

Lol Dante on the hand yeh don't worry nobody even on that site takes him seriously anymore. The guy is a complete idiot, loon and hypocrite. That said, it seems he can be influenced positively and stuff (he just won't give you any credit for it), in fact I'm sure he picked his name here (Holden) from the book I recommended him and other young ls/incels read: Catcher In The Rye. Also, I'd guess his love of heavy metal and heavy metal scene comes from influence from me and other LS posters too.

Anyway don't be too harsh on LS.com guys, some of 'em are actually OK. Fonduman's wife loves him very much, so you see he really can't be that bad.

Cya
 
hey guys IceCat from LS.com here.

I don't know why you guys are hating on mooo/fonduman, they guy is genuinely a 'nice guy', especially in comparison to others you find on that site.

Lol Dante on the hand yeh don't worry nobody even on that site takes him seriously anymore. The guy is a complete idiot, loon and hypocrite. That said, it seems he can be influenced positively and stuff (he just won't give you any credit for it), in fact I'm sure he picked his name here (Holden) from the book I recommended him and other young ls/incels read: Catcher In The Rye. Also, I'd guess his love of heavy metal and heavy metal scene comes from influence from me and other LS posters too.

Anyway don't be too harsh on LS.com guys, some of 'em are actually OK. Fonduman's wife loves him very much, so you see he really can't be that bad.

Cya


the one huge reason @mooooo got a hard time was this:
https://archive.today/hiA49

he came in guns blazing with the intent to "troll" the forums. if he had come in and acted intelligently and cordial instead of immediate aggression, he would've had a better experience. he is not a victim at all, he was the aggressor who fell to his own hubris.
 
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heh fair enough

But don't you guys do the same thing? Like this here thread and stuff? Anyway I don't know, I guess he took offence to some stuff and reacted. He really is a nice guy though, I've known him for quite a while and was actually surprised heh. He is not AT ALL for example like any of these sluthate guys, yup that place really is FULL of idiots and assholes. Gung hoing that place up is fine with me.
 
Whether or not fonduman is a nice person is rather beside the point. This place is not kind to people who are reactive. He was explicitly and repeatedly apprised of this, but decided he knew better and got his ass handed to him.

@IceCat , why not hie on over to the sluthate thread and have a laugh at the risible behavior of those regrettable dolts? If fonduman wants to convince us he is nice, he can come back here and act like a nice person. Don't make things in this thread all about you in the meantime.
 
Whether or not fonduman is a nice person is rather beside the point. This place is not kind to people who are reactive. He was explicitly and repeatedly apprised of this, but decided he knew better and got his ass handed to him.

@IceCat , why not hie on over to the sluthate thread and have a laugh at the risible behavior of those regrettable dolts? If fonduman wants to convince us he is nice, he can come back here and act like a nice person. Don't make things in this thread all about you in the meantime.


i'm sure if @IceCat were to relay to @mooooo that if he were to come back and apologize for his underestimations, he'd be welcomed assuming he could stay civil.
 
On top of that @IceCat I've actually told most of the participants of this thread and the thread for Fonduman, not to dox him, though he did that all on his own accord. I had to be civil with everyone here and clearing the fact that we're not absolute assholes. Civility goes a long way. Fonduman is welcome back to the forums, but not with hostility.

We all have different experiences when it comes to the dating world, but coming here with malice is not the way to be understood.
 
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Hey Icecat! Long time no see.

Fonduman is not a nice guy.

1) He suffers from hubris. He thinks that having a computer science degree makes him better than other people, relying on his credentials rather than his swaying arguments. Which would make sense, if we were having a computer science discussion. We were, however, having a biology discussion, which is rather distincively un-computer like.
2) As it often is with smart autist people, he cannot grasp the concept he may be wrong, because he was always right about things in school (because we put idiots in front of classes because they're cheaper). That's why they're also disproportionally likely to believe in conspiracy theories.
3) As a fat, loveshy male he thinks he can make statements how the dating world is unfair. If he took care with his appearance, he may have cause to complain.
4) He believes in evopsych bullshit "because it makes sense if you think about it". Evopsych is pseudoscience, as are all ad hoc hypotheses that are untestable. (see spoiler for a great illustration of an ad hoc hypothesis parody).
5) He sincerely believes women predominantly are A,B and C, even when women tell him that's not always the case, and even while recognizing Enginehead is not A,B or C, and instead of admitting he's wrong "she's the exception" every. damn. time. Almost the same point as 2, but this point bears repeating.
6) Have you actually read the drivel he posted in the "who are more hated: Incels or rapists thread"?

I owe him one for making me realize I didn't enjoy posting on the loveshy forums though, so I guess his NiceGuy score is -5 at this point for me.
 
Yeah @mooooo also posted his junk on the internet. Easy to say you shouldn't try being intellectually superior when you have a two-inch wonder and didn't have the common sense not to share it.
 
I guess I'll just drop this infobomb here: I am something of a recovering loveshy. While I never visited any of these sites and never went as far as blame women for all my problems, for a while I was full of internal anger and resentment for my lack of social prowess and self-confidence, especially with the opposite sex. Instead of turning all my frustration on the rest of the world as we often see here, I turned it in on myself. Neither form is very healthy; both are incredibly self-destructive. The biggest problem with this kind of thinking is how cyclical it can be. It thrives upon negative images of yourself and others and perpetuates them because you have no idea of what the alternative truly looks like or whether it can even be feasible. It's a type of thinking that can honestly ruin your life, as it almost did mine.

One of the most ironic things about these people is their professed love of Friedrich Nietzsche, who has honestly helped me understand why their line of thinking is so inimical to life, particularly The Genealogy of Morals. Their resentment towards those they view as superior to them (I find it no surprise of how often their shitty comics tend to accentuate "Chad's" physical characteristics) has simultaneously defined their own values as the negation of their enemies. The result is the purest of slave morality, where hatred and jealousy are the bulwarks of their values and it is only through antagonism that they can define their self-worth. Overcoming insecurity does not come from hatred of the other; it comes from the creation of new values that can exist independently of your enemies.

Don't like party culture? Don't participate in it, but don't hate those that do because you feel they are superior to you. While as I have said before, there are some genuinely fucked up things about party culture, the majority of people can participate in it without selling their souls to hedonism. You can find many people who are still deep and complex people; having fun does not stop this. And even if it did, why would it offend you if they do? Should the stronger party be overwhelmed by what the weaker does? Because if what the loveshys say makes them strong certainly does not reflect that based upon how much they complain about others. What others do with their life has no bearing on yours, only a person who can truly create new values for themselves can realize this. The whole problem of resentment is that you essentially depend on the values which bring yourself and others so much pain to the extent that you must make your own inferiority into superiority as the loveshys have clearly done.

tl;dr: Git gud. l2transvalute n00b.
Thanks for describing to me the past several years of my life. And I haven't even begun to fix it for real because I'm just that much of a pussy.

Moral of the story: If you or anyone you know is starting down the path of anxiety induced self-loathing. Fix it before you become like me or the other guys on Love-Shy.
 
Hey Icecat! Long time no see.

Fonduman is not a nice guy.

1) He suffers from hubris. He thinks that having a computer science degree makes him better than other people, relying on his credentials rather than his swaying arguments. Which would make sense, if we were having a computer science discussion. We were, however, having a biology discussion, which is rather distincively un-computer like.
2) As it often is with smart autist people, he cannot grasp the concept he may be wrong, because he was always right about things in school (because we put idiots in front of classes because they're cheaper). That's why they're also disproportionally likely to believe in conspiracy theories.
3) As a fat, loveshy male he thinks he can make statements how the dating world is unfair. If he took care with his appearance, he may have cause to complain.
4) He believes in evopsych bullshit "because it makes sense if you think about it". Evopsych is pseudoscience, as are all ad hoc hypotheses that are untestable. (see spoiler for a great illustration of an ad hoc hypothesis parody).
5) He sincerely believes women predominantly are A,B and C, even when women tell him that's not always the case, and even while recognizing Enginehead is not A,B or C, and instead of admitting he's wrong "she's the exception" every. damn. time. Almost the same point as 2, but this point bears repeating.
6) Have you actually read the drivel he posted in the "who are more hated: Incels or rapists thread"?

I owe him one for making me realize I didn't enjoy posting on the loveshy forums though, so I guess his NiceGuy score is -5 at this point for me.
yeh well I think he is...

Enginehead is perfect for him lol

2) I think he can grasp it, however he will likely remain silent if he does. He's not a full-on crazy!

3) You know what I don't think he does do this? I think the guy honestly hurting over his appearance. Yup, he's a fatty but he registers this - and of course he NEVER expected stunners.

4) I can kinda believe stuff like that sometimes...

5) I haven't seen much of this from him! Maybe Enginehead has changed his stance? She was like his angel.

6) I read through that thread and he seemed one of LEAST crazy. I think he voted Rapists were more hated? Roughly half of LS.com voted that Incels were more hated so he can't be THAT bad. You a fan of Ethnocide? Did you see the shit he was writing?

Fonduman = nice guy, with perhaps little chip on his shoulder to me. I would love to hang out with the guy, I find him interesting and I think would have a laugh.
 
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