Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Non-Expert!]

Are you aware of the concepts of 'past' and 'future', or do you solely live in the 'present'? I mean, we're all aware that China informed the US government about the coronavirus on January 3, and continued to keep everyone updated as knowledge developed. It still took Carlson to make Trump take it marginally seriously months later.

Well to be honest I am more like a cat or dog, and I think mainly in the present tense, but people just love me for being what I am.

But to address your concerns about Trump, yes he is aware of the dangers of the Corona virus.

But at his core he is an old-school American Buisness man who has a tendency to quantify everything against itself, including the value of human life. He also seems to have blinders on, as to the cost of treating the sick, and the deaths of productive members of society. So anybody advising him has to meet him at his level.

But the idea that he is a naive man, is not accurate at this point.

His idea was "it is just a crazyflu" but he was not taking into account that health systems and most people's immune systems are prepared for the influenza virus, and that people die of the flu in predictable numbers. He also knows nothing about the conditions that healthcare workers face.

He is a business man, not a doctor, teacher or philanthropist. We can carry on bashing him, or we can stay on topic and discuss COVID, and its fallout, and the constraints and sacrifices we collectively face.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

If the fucking virus dies on hidryxoyChloroquine this effectively, why don't we just disinfect / spray the whole country in diluted form, Chloroquined water to eradicate that shit ? Chloroquine is very very cheap it should be do able, Just fucking clean all the streets as everyone is quarantined at home anyway, or send millitary / sanitizing personal spraying that shit, start testing everybody and give positive people hydroxychloroquine, i don't know, maybe.... problem fucking solved at a low cost ?

Have you tried chugging fishtank cleaner? It has Chloroquine in it and you can immunize yourself against Coronavirus with it.

 

[Radical Cadre]

First and foremost, I cannot say with certainty if these videos are entirely what they appear to be. The claim (by Jennifer Zeng 曾錚) is that these windstorms are sweeping across China and that unexplained fires continue to break out in the countryside. Here are those videos, archived for your viewing pleasure. Also big thanks for those of you that taught me how to pull videos off of Twitter.

Spoiler: Videos

The text included with each video was tweeted along with it. Here is the text for each video, in order:

1. Now I am starting to believe it's heaven's mandate. #Laoshan District in #Qingdao, #Shandong provice in #China is on fire too, on Mar 19.

2."I am just behind this car. Hardly missed me." This woman says.
Doomsday gale in #Beijing, on 3/18

3. In Beijing, on Mar 18, people blown away by...doomsday gale?

4. At Summer Palace in #Beijing, on Mar 18.

5. Looks more & more like doomsday is coming to #CCP ruled #China. Apart from #CCPVirus #COVID2019 #Coronavirus, fires and gales happening simultaneously in many cities today. Watch!


Whatever the case may be, it is clear that God is angry at China for trying to rewrite the Bible (and Quran) and that Emperor Xi has lost Heaven's Mandate.

And remember to archive everything guys! These had not been archived!!

 

[HonsPonzud]

Have you tried chugging fishtank cleaner? It has Chloroquine in it and you can immunize yourself against Coronavirus with it.

I'm not talking about drinking the fishtank water"cleaner" i'm talking about disinfecting the fucking streets / outside / door knobs etc... that probably have the virus lying around on just about , almost everything ? The cdc discovered that the virus could survive up to 17 days now on some surfaces, it's just another wave of infection waiting to happen if people are released from quarantine and surfaces still has it, i'm pretty sure the hidroxychloroquine molecule from it works as med with the anti viral for persons tested positive.

Coronavirus Traces Lingered in Vacated Cruise Cabins for 17 Days

Traces of new coronavirus were found on surfaces in cruise-ship cabins for as many as 17 days after passengers left, researchers said, though it wasn’t possible to determine whether they caused any infections.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[JosephStalin]

It's honestly not the worst idea. The vast majority of hospitalizations for corna dont require ICU care, they need a bed, medical care, and oxygen treatment.

Buildings like this, if done right (so not the way china does it), would allow for mass hospitalizations without jamming up hospitals, and give more room for nurses to work in. No different then the flu wards from 100 years ago. Now just to get the manpower and supplies needed to staff them.

Ah, there's the rub. Looking at the list of the 20 largest cities in Russia..

Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If I was Putin, ideally I'd put hospitals, of varying sizes, near each one of these cities. Would also need to put one in either Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, or both to serve Siberia/Far East. That should cover the most heavily populated areas.

Alas, buildings alone do not a hospital make.

But I seem to remember that Chernobyl kicked the Soviet medical system's ass. Doubt there's been a whole lot of improvement, and we're likely talking a virus patient load a quantum leap more than Chernobyl.

Russia has some parallels with Italy. First, the population is not in the best of health, and Russians smoke and drink a great deal.

This is worth a look.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Russia

From what little I have seen, there are many, many apartment blocks in Russian cities. So, a high-density environment for contagion.

Believe the Russians would be able to scrape up enough beds, chairs, and basic furniture for the hospitals. But at even a minimal level of care, say, if these hospitals were used for the less serious cases and recovering cases, my guess is Russia would be hard-pressed to provide enough equipment and supplies, least outside of food, toilet paper, and soap. Believe Russia would be very hard-pressed to staff these hospitals. Maybe get retired doctors/nurses. One possibility might be getting military doctors/nurses/techs, and military supplies/equipment, but I suspect the virus will also hit the Russian military. If the Russians have any stockpiles of medical equipment/supplies believe they are treated as defense assets and will not be released to the civilian population.

Putin may consider going out on the world market for equipment and supplies, but such things are at a premium worldwide right now. Russia has the money, despite the present oil price war.

But when you think about it, should Russia be hit hard by the ChiCom virus it's going to be pretty nasty.

Ukraine needs to start getting their shit together on this, as well. Smaller country, fewer people, but again I doubt their health and medical system is that great.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

I'm not talking about drinking the fishtank water"cleaner" i'm talking about disinfecting the fucking streets that probably have the virus lying around on just about , almost everything ? The cdc discovered that the virus could survive up to 17 days now on some surfaces, it's just another wave waiting to happen if people are released from quarantine, i'm pretty sure the hidroxychloroquine molecule from it works as med with the anti viral for persons tested positive.

You have no fucking idea how Hydrochloroquine works or how viruses work, and havent bothered to read the multiple explanations posted in this thread already. Stop being retarded.

Spraying Hydrochloroquine on surfaces is as effective as rubbing lotion on your skin to kill a blood infection.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

All i'm saying is, hydroxychloroquine might be able to clog and fuck nanomachines from some of it's side binding / oxydation properties on silicons.

I've heard a lot of dumb shit, and this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

CQ/HCQ make the inside of your cells more alkaline, which viruses don't like. They rely on acidic pH.

It has nothing to do with nanomachines you dumbass.

 

[It's HK-47]

I'm not talking about drinking the fishtank water"cleaner" i'm talking about disinfecting the fucking streets / outside / door knobs etc... that probably have the virus lying around on just about , almost everything ? The cdc discovered that the virus could survive up to 17 days now on some surfaces, it's just another wave of infection waiting to happen if people are released from quarantine and surfaces still has it, i'm pretty sure the hidroxychloroquine molecule from it works as med with the anti viral for persons tested positive.

Coronavirus Traces Lingered in Vacated Cruise Cabins for 17 Days

Traces of new coronavirus were found on surfaces in cruise-ship cabins for as many as 17 days after passengers left, researchers said, though it wasn’t possible to determine whether they caused any infections.

www.bloomberg.com

That's actually a misunderstanding. The CDC never said that it could survive for 17 days, they said that the virus' RNA was still detectable for up to 17 days afterwards on surfaces. What they were saying was that it was still possible to find bits and pieces of the virus still on the surface, not that the virus itself was still alive after the time elapsed. It's actual survival rate outside of a host is significantly lower than that.

 

[HonsPonzud]

You have no fucking idea how Hydrochloroquine works or how viruses work, and havent bothered to read the multiple explanations posted in this thread already. Stop being exceptional.

Spraying Hydrochloroquine on surfaces is as effective as rubbing lotion on your skin to kill a blood infection.

I didn't say using "hydroxichloroquine" for cleaning hard surfaces that could still hold the virus, but the more "violent" / pure molecule of chloroquine to do that, but okay !

 

[DNA_JACKED]

That's actually a misunderstanding. The CDC never said that it could survive for 17 days, they said that the virus was still detectable for up to 17 days afterwards on surfaces. What they were saying was that it was still possible to find bits and pieces of the virus still on the surface, not that the virus itself was still alive after the time elapsed. It's actual survival rate outside of a host is significantly lower than that.

General survivability is 72 hours in ideal conditions. high temperatures, too high/low humidity, UV radiation, and different surfaces all reduce this number.

I didn't say using "hydroxichloroquine" for cleaning surfaces but the more "violent" / pure molecule of chloroquine to do that, but okay !

Ah, yes, the more toxic version somehow defies physics because of nanomachines.

Christ you're thick. How does Chloroquine kill viruses on surfaces? I'd love to hear your reasoning.

" i'm pretty sure the hidroxychloroquine molecule from it works as med with the anti viral for persons tested positive. "

And yes you did say Hydrochloroquine.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Has this gem been posted yet?

 

[JosephStalin]

lol

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That's REAL fucking smart. You know the school's medical service has zero chance of handling an outbreak of any size. And no, Jerry, you can't pray the ChiCom flu away. Fuck me to tears...

 

[AmpleApricots]

The average life expectancy of the russian male is 65. It's a terribly violent and depressing country. Their healthcare spans the entire length from modern to decades behind, but public healthcare is very very poor. Russians can go into free clinics but most either try to come up with the money for private treatment or just don't bother. I'm pretty sure Putin braces for just dealing with the dead in the most efficent and for the populace non-upsetting way possible and assuring the population that everything's fine, their system won't be able to deal with this any other way. Putin likes to play being a tall man but Russia is not a world power.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Ann Barnhardt notes that most of the Italian deaths can be characterised as having one or more co-mortalities (archived: https://archive.li/WKJ69) with a record total of close to 700 deaths only had twelve who died of COV19 alone. Now she is often derided by other Catholics as cranky, and she is sort of IRS hating tax exile libertarian sort, but people dying with COV19 are not necessarily dying of COV19. It is a valid and factual point, I think.

Holy shit. She is so based my Based Meter exploded when I tried to measure how based she was.

Spraying Hydrochloroquine on surfaces is as effective as rubbing lotion on your skin to kill a blood infection.

If I was hired to disinfect streets I'd go for dilute bleach at this point. Tell everyone to stay inside, have some cop cars in front and behind the spray van telling people to get the fuck out of range, mist dilute bleach in the air and let it settle on the streets. I think that's what these guys are doing but since it's China they might be mixing half a five-litre container of placebo into the truck full of water.

It seems like the only countries doing the street disinfection are so chaotically ill-governed that you'd risk death to escape them even in the absence of coronavirus.

Photos show how people around the world are disinfecting schools, mosques, and streets to stop the coronavirus from spreading

Misting tunnels, spray guns, and robots are sanitizing public places. But experts are still debating the effectiveness.

www.businessinsider.com

https://archive.vn/b4zLB

 

[JosephStalin]

Ann Barnhardt notes that most of the Italian deaths can be characterised as having one or more co-mortalities (archived: https://archive.li/WKJ69) with a record total of close to 700 deaths only had twelve who died of COV19 alone. Now she is often derided by other Catholics as cranky, and she is sort of IRS hating tax exile libertarian sort, but people dying with COV19 are not necessarily dying of COV19. It is a valid and factual point, I think.

Indeed. And if you consider the overall Russian health picture, can see much the same thing happening there.

 

[iterator]

Well, here we are.

New Zealand businesses will have to be closed.. unless they're corporate supermarkets or foreign-owned dairies and servos.

Delivery services would be a more practical way to mitigate the rate of infection, but they'll all be closed as well- unless they're foreign corporates like Amazon. Pretty cool! Good old horseface Jacinda is really standing up for the Kiwi worker.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Holy shit. She is so based my Based Meter exploded when I tried to measure how based she was.



If I was hired to disinfect streets I'd go for dilute bleach at this point. Tell everyone to stay inside, have some cop cars in front and behind the spray van telling people to get the fuck out of range, mist dilute bleach in the air and let it settle on the streets. I think that's what these guys are doing but since it's China they might be mixing half a five-litre container of placebo into the truck full of water.

It seems like the only countries doing the street disinfection are so chaotically ill-governed that you'd risk death to escape them even in the absence of coronavirus.

Photos show how people around the world are disinfecting schools, mosques, and streets to stop the coronavirus from spreading

Misting tunnels, spray guns, and robots are sanitizing public places. But experts are still debating the effectiveness.

www.businessinsider.com

https://archive.vn/b4zLB

I wouldnt spray it. That will dilute it to the point of not helping. There is a good reason western countries are not doing this. Not to mention anyone who breathes it in is going to wind up with damaged lungs, not what you want with a upper respiratory infection going around.

The best thing to do is clean all well used surfaces that come into contact with peoples hands with a bleach solution. Exteriors of buildings, handrails, buttons for walking signals, door handles, stairwells, sidewalks if people shit on them (should be done regardless).

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Sorry if ideas have already been thrown out but what's Pelosi's play with this bill? She knows there's no way in hell it's getting 60 votes. I originally thought it would boost what the republican bill had already suggested to push them more left (Bernie's suggested $2000 checks, more unemployment benefits/expanded student loan forgiveness, etc) but it's full of unrelated shit.
If her goal was to boost benefits/public perception she would have stripped down the republican bill to everything that explicitly benefited workers and dared the Republicans to vote against it but this is basically the opposite.

It is the same play they always make.

Emergency Happens -> Take 1,200 pages of pork and "progressive" bullshit they have been trying to shove through for 50 years and staple "CURRENT EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL!" on the front.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Has this gem been posted yet?

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Are the seats dedicated to one news organization? Does that mean a reporter from The Hill did this?

 

[JosephStalin]

Folks, if I could, please...

Nothing wrong with disagreeing, but let's keep it cool. Let all of us keep working together to develop the best info and analysis possible. Anyone, especially me, can be wrong about something. When we get new facts the smart thing to do is to make adjustments. If you find someone that frustrating, disengage. Getting angry does no good.

Thanks.