Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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How long do you think this will last the self-isolation, here in the UK I believe 3 more weeks then the government will retract it due to civil unrest. Patriotism is cute and all but when you realise its a very very very slim minority dying who will be dead in a few years, the patriotism loses its luster.
I think Trump is right about it starting to come off for Easter. Not because he will order it off but because people will just start ignoring the orders. It's already starting to fail around me and its only been a few days.
The "shutdown" here is a complete clusterfuck anyways. If BESTBUY, HobbyLobby, Staples, etc are all essential then how is anything else non-essential?
In a week everyone's rent is going to be due. Lots of landlords have mortgages on their property's. Tons of people live paycheck to paycheck. If there is a 90% chance it will be "just the flu brah" for me then I am going to take the risk if it means my kids don't starve and I dont get evicted from my apartment.
 
Why is it every single new crisis or emergency you have doomsayers running through the streets in a panic, calling the police on their neighbors, and insisting "things won't change EVER! This is the new reality for us!" - it's the same sensationalism you see with every single election where "If THAT GUY gets elected it's OVER! This will BE the last election!"

it ain't. it wasn't. it won't be. I anticipate things to mostly be sorted out by the end of May, and then we'll just continue on as if none of this ever happened, same as the swine flu and ebola and every other 'omg unprecedented disaster' event.
 
What if the "bad flu season" we had this year was Corona-Chan, and the flu vaccine was actually extremely effective, saving how many lives from baby Corona-Chan and Influenza combined?
While already addressed that the flu vaccine would have no effect on a coronavirus, I DO wonder if the nast three week cough cold thingamajigger flying around since november was a less strenuous strain of coronavirus that made its way out of china in october. Many of the symptoms match, and doctors has no idea what it was other then a "nasty cold". Which is what coronavirus is, after all, a cold.

I genuinely think the nasty cold that was running around was corona, thats why it was so utterly strange compared to what we are used to, and why the disease seems to be hitting some areas way harder then others, some areas got hit hard by the previous nasty cold while others utterly avoided it.
 
From posts and infos found on 4chan (yeah i know, i know... but looks interesting)

German citizens Christina F. and Thomas G. (both researchers owning a patent for hantavirus and a bunch of other viruses) are probably the first two people incarcerated in Spain in relation to the coronavirus.





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The story goes back to last Friday afternoon. A BMW 325 ci convertible and registered in Germany tried to access Spain from France through the Canfranc (Huesca) border post . Suddenly, the car accelerated, ran over a National Police patrol and started a race at very high speed. Since the National Police team was unable to leave the border, they asked other colleagues and other Civil Guard crews for support.

After the town of Jaca , two bikers from the Civil Guard stationed themselves at a roundabout. The BMW dodged control, traversed the scene, and continued to flee as the two officers pursued their pursuit. A few kilometers later, two Civil Guard cars were placed at another roundabout on the road. Upon seeing them, the German couple hit one of them and continued the race while the other police vehicle and the two motorcycles were chasing her.

At that time, the scene was already crazy: a high-end car at full speed descending a mountain pass with its occupants throwing objects such as water bottles and a box against their pursuers and a patrol and two Civil Guard motorcycles stuck to He trying to stop it with the consequent danger for all the protagonists or any other driver who occupies the road. "

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Almost at the end of the port, the Civil Guard car managed to overtake and was placed in front of the BMW while the two motorcycles were placed behind. According to Piedrafita's testimony, when the agents were making the escapes slow down, the BMW charged the patrol. "The two guards in the car got out as best they could," says the lawyer. At the time, the BMW "backtracked with the intention of running over the motorcycle officers." One of the guards jumped and his motorcycle was hit by the BMW.

Then, one of the officers fired into the air "as a deterrent" and when he saw the car continue on its way at high speed, the other civil guard fired two shots at the wheels. The BMW continued to race for a few meters until it stopped at a median and officers stopped its occupants.

They are two Germans, a woman without a record and a man who has a file for resistance to authority in Mallorca last November. "


They got a Novel Hantavirus Patent (related to wuhan):


‘Inventors: Stuart T. Nichol (Atlanta, GA), Christina F. Spiropoulou (Atlanta, GA), Thomas G. Ksiazek (Lilburn, GA), Pierre E. Rollin (Lilburn, GA)‘

Nipah virus too


For now they are facing 33 years in prison.
 
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some cool news:
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Dyson is building 15,000 ventilators to fight COVID-19
The company will donate thousands of ventilators abroad.
[Photo: Dyson]
By Mark Wilson2 minute Read
As the world faces ventilator shortages in the growing COVID-19 pandemic, Dyson—the U.K. company known best for making vacuums, air purifiers, and hair dryers—designed and built a new ventilator in 10 days in coordination with The Technology Partnership (TTP). Dubbed CoVent, it’s a bed-mounted, portable ventilator that can run from battery power in field-hospital conditions.
Working under a grant from the U.K. government, with oversight from the U.K. National Health Service and the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), Dyson has agreed to produce 10,000 ventilators for the country. On top of that, it will produce another 5,000 ventilators for donation. One thousand of those will go to the U.K. The remaining 4,000 will go to other countries.
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While American companies including GM, Ford, and Tesla have expressed a willingness to produce ventilators to address current shortages, the medical technology used by existing ventilators is proprietary, and most reports say it could take months to convert such vehicle manufacturers to ventilator production. What’s novel about Dyson’s approach is that the ventilators are designed and engineered in-house.
A Dyson representative says that production will “begin immediately,” though there is no specific word on delivery dates at this time.
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Below is an internal email that James Dyson sent the company today.
Hospitals are the frontline in the war against Covid-19, where heroic doctors, nurses, and care workers are battling to save lives and help people recover from this terrible virus. As with any battle, there are many challenges to overcome, not least the availability of essential equipment which in this case means ventilators. A ventilator supports a patient who is no longer able to maintain their own airways but sadly there is currently a significant shortage, both in the UK and other countries around the world.
Since I received a call from Boris Johnson ten days ago, we have refocused resources at Dyson, and worked with TTP, The Technology Partnership, to design and build an entirely new ventilator, The CoVent. This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume. It is designed to address the specific clinical needs of Covid-19 patients, and it is suited to a variety of clinical settings. The core challenge was how to design and deliver a new, sophisticated medical product in volume and in an extremely short space of time. The race is now on to get it into production.
The Dyson Digital motor sits at the heart of the new device and the motor’s design is optimised to have a very high level of intrinsic safety, making it particularly well-suited for industrial, high volume production. The device is designed to achieve a high quality air supply to ensure its safety and effectiveness, drawing on our air purifier expertise which delivers high-quality filtration in high-volume products.
Ventilators are a regulated product so Dyson and TTP will be working with the MHRA and the Government to ensure that the product and the manufacturing process is approved. We have received an initial order of 10,000 units from the UK Government which we will supply on an open-book basis. We are also looking at ways of making it available internationally.
I am proud of what Dyson engineers and our partners at TTP have achieved. I am eager to see this new device in production and in hospitals as soon as possible. This is clearly a time of grave international crisis, I will therefore donate 5,000 units to the international effort, 1,000 of which will go to the United Kingdom.
We will keep you updated with our progress.
Best wishes,
James

obviously it's months out but still wayyyyyy better PR than elon musk buying ventilators from china (arch), lol
 
God, I wonder what specifically had them spooked. Trying to escape a lockdown?
The couple lied about being "free to roam" across germany, all the way to France and Spain, when all of these countries have lockdown in place, but it is true that with everyone in lockdown, (Germany, France and Spain are supposed to have their borders closed too) the borders aren't really that well guarded and can probably easily slip through with small rural roads and shit.

Yeah, what are they fleeing so fast that they consider running over police ?
 
While already addressed that the flu vaccine would have no effect on a coronavirus, I DO wonder if the nast three week cough cold thingamajigger flying around since november was a less strenuous strain of coronavirus that made its way out of china in october. Many of the symptoms match, and doctors has no idea what it was other then a "nasty cold". Which is what coronavirus is, after all, a cold.

I genuinely think the nasty cold that was running around was corona, thats why it was so utterly strange compared to what we are used to, and why the disease seems to be hitting some areas way harder then others, some areas got hit hard by the previous nasty cold while others utterly avoided it.
I had that cold. It felt like pneumonia. I'd be leaning forward and coughing up thick shit and my wife would hammer on my back like I had cystic fibrosis or something. I'd get exhausted and out of breath because of the steam in the shower. It didn't help that I got lung damage in the military and have had pneumonia a few times.

The weird part was the relapse. I felt fine for like two days then BOOM! 103-104 fever, gut issues, and horrific dry mouth, thirsty as fuck, and couldn't seem to eat enough. That last ed about three days, then... BOOM! I was fine. Lungs cleared up, everything.

Everyone in the house got it, but the lung issue was the worst for me. I would concentrate on breathing, had to sleep sitting up with a heating pad against my back. I didn't have the drowning feeling like full on pneumonia has, the best I can describe it as 'sticky and thick' like my lungs were full of Elmer's Glue.
 
At the time, the BMW "backtracked with the intention of running over the motorcycle officers." One of the guards jumped and his motorcycle was hit by the BMW.
Heh. Here in burger land if you try running over a cop that normally ends with a few "warning shots" to the chest.
 

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Not that this needs repeating, but man, it's crazy seeing the numbers reported by Italy, Spain, and the US in particular versus the bullshit lie numbers China reported. I didn't know what kind of magnitude China was lying by, but it looks like it was way bigger than I anticipated.

We will likely never know the real numbers. China is good at covering up body counts.

Why is it every single new crisis or emergency you have doomsayers running through the streets in a panic, calling the police on their neighbors, and insisting "things won't change EVER! This is the new reality for us!" - it's the same sensationalism you see with every single election where "If THAT GUY gets elected it's OVER! This will BE the last election!"

it ain't. it wasn't. it won't be. I anticipate things to mostly be sorted out by the end of May, and then we'll just continue on as if none of this ever happened, same as the swine flu and ebola and every other 'omg unprecedented disaster' event.

Millions unemployed and the disease still spreading. That is next month.

Those that are left will take on the work of multiple people - employment is fucked regardless.
 
Nobel laureate and biophysicist Michael Levitt thinks the coronavirus recovery will be shorter than anticipated. (archive)

Michael Levitt, a Nobel laureate and Stanford biophysicist, began analyzing the number of COVID-19 cases worldwide in January and correctly calculated that China would get through the worst of its coronavirus outbreak long before many health experts had predicted.

Now he foresees a similar outcome in the United States and the rest of the world.

While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply don’t support such a dire scenario — especially in areas where reasonable social distancing measures are in place.

“What we need is to control the panic,” he said. In the grand scheme, “we’re going to be fine.”

Here’s what Levitt noticed in China: On Jan. 31, the country had 46 new deaths due to the novel coronavirus, compared with 42 new deaths the day before.


Although the number of daily deaths had increased, the rate of that increase had begun to ease off. In his view, the fact that new cases were being identified at a slower rate was more telling than the number of new cases itself. It was an early sign that the trajectory of the outbreak had shifted.

Think of the outbreak as a car racing down an open highway, he said. Although the car is still gaining speed, it’s not accelerating as rapidly as before.

“This suggests that the rate of increase in the number of deaths will slow down even more over the next week,” Levitt wrote in a report he sent to friends Feb. 1 that was widely shared on Chinese social media. And soon, he predicted, the number of deaths would be decreasing every day.

Three weeks later, Levitt told the China Daily News that the virus’ rate of growth had peaked. He predicted that the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.

This forecast turned out to be remarkably accurate: As of March 16, China had counted a total of 80,298 cases and 3,245 deaths — in a nation of nearly 1.4 billion people where roughly 10 million die every year. The number of newly diagnosed patients has dropped to around 25 a day, with no cases of community spread reported since Wednesday.

Now Levitt, who received the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry for developing complex models of chemical systems, is seeing similar turning points in other nations, even those that did not instill the draconian isolation measures that China did.

He analyzed data from 78 countries that reported more than 50 newcases of COVID-19 every day and sees “signs of recovery” in many of them. He’s not focusing on the total number ofcases in a country, but on the number of new cases identified every day — and, especially, on the change in that number from one day to the next.

“Numbers are still noisy, but there are clear signs of slowed growth.”

In South Korea, for example, newly confirmed cases are being added to the country’s total each day, but the daily tally has dropped in recent weeks, remaining below 200. That suggests the outbreak there may be winding down.

In Iran, the number of newly confirmed COVID-19 cases per day remained relatively flat last week, going from 1,053 last Monday to 1,028 on Sunday. Although that’s still a lot of new cases, Levitt said, the pattern suggests the outbreak there “is past the halfway mark.”

Italy, on the other hand, looks like it’s still on the upswing. In that country, the number of newly confirmed cases increased on most days this past week.

In places that have managed to recover from an initial outbreak, officials must still contend with the fact that the coronavirus may return. China is now fighting to stop new waves of infection coming in from places where the virus is spreading out of control. Other countries are bound to face the same problem.

Levitt acknowledges that his figures are messy and that the official case counts in many areas are too low because testing is spotty. But even with incomplete data, “a consistent decline means there’s some factor at work that is not just noise in the numbers,” he said.


In other words, as long as the reasons for the inaccurate case counts remain the same, it’s still useful to compare them from one day to the next.

The trajectory of deaths backs up his findings, he said, since it follows the same basic trends as the new confirmed cases. So do data from outbreaks in confined environments, such as the one on the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Out of 3,711 people on board, 712 were infected, and eight died.


This unintended experiment in coronavirus spread will help researchers estimate the number of fatalities that would occur in a fully infected population, Levitt said. For instance, the Diamond Princess data allowed him to estimate that being exposed to the new coronavirus doubles a person’s risk of dying in the next two months. Most people have an extremely low risk of death in a two-month period, so that risk remains extremely low even when doubled.

Nicholas Reich, a biostatistician at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, said the analysis was thought-provoking, if nothing else.

“Time will tell if Levitt’s predictions are correct,” Reich said. “I do think that having a wide diversity of experts bringing their perspectives to the table will help decision-makers navigate the very tricky decisions they will be facing in the upcoming weeks and months.”

Levitt said he’s in sync with those calling for strong measures to fight the outbreak. The social-distancing mandates are critical — particularly the ban on large gatherings — because the virus is so new that the population has no immunity to it, and a vaccine is still many months away. “This is not the time to go out drinking with your buddies,” he said.

Getting vaccinated against the flu is important, too, because a coronavirus outbreak that strikes in the middle of a flu epidemic is much more likely to overwhelm hospitals and increases the odds that the coronavirus goes undetected. This was probably a factor in Italy, a country with a strong anti-vaccine movement, he said.

But he also blames the media for causing unnecessary panic by focusing on the relentless increase in the cumulative number of cases and spotlighting celebrities who contract the virus. By contrast, the flu has sickened 36 million Americans since September and killed an estimated 22,000, according to the CDC, but those deaths are largely unreported.

Levitt fears the public health measures that have shut down large swaths of the economy could cause their own health catastrophe, as lost jobs lead to poverty and hopelessness. Time and again, researchers have seen that suicide rates go up when the economy spirals down.

The virus can grow exponentially only when it is undetected and no one is acting to control it, Levitt said. That’s what happened in South Korea last month, when it ripped through a closed-off cult that refused to report the illness.

“People need to be considered heroes for announcing they have this virus,” he said.

The goal needs to be better early detection — not just through testing but perhaps with body-temperature surveillance, which China is implementing — and immediate social isolation.

While the COVID-19 fatality rate appears to be significantly higher than that of the flu, Levitt says it is, quite simply put, “not the end of the world.”

“The real situation is not as nearly as terrible as they make it out to be,” he said.

Dr. Loren Miller, a physician and infectious diseases researcher at the Lundquist Institute for Biomedical Innovation at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, said it’s premature to draw any conclusions — either rosy or bleak — about the course the pandemic will take.

“There’s a lot of uncertainty right now,” he said. “In China they nipped it in the bud in the nick of time. In the U.S. we might have, or we might not have. We just don’t know.”
 
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If I'd trust any company that wasn't already in medical equipment to build a fucking ventilator, it would be Dyson, which has like eighty-million patents regarding airflow systems and make some of the best vacuum cleaners and air filtration gear I've seen.

If you gave me a choice between some neon and chrome Tesla shit that would be a knockoff Siri and sing me songs or a Dyson ventilator all dented up and covered in Spongebob stickers, well, guess I'm living in a fucking pineapple under the sea.
 
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