Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Yeeted Teet]

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This doesn't make any fucking sense; why not just limit how much people can buy in a given session, or ID them by logging where they're having stuff delivered and their payment details? Not that you could stop idiots hoarding shit because there's a billion ways around those measures, regardless.

God I fucking hate this country. I didn't even want to buy anything I just wanted to check prices for when I go in-store on Monday for fuck's sake.

This doesn't surprise me, the Boots site is one of the buggiest pieces of shit I've ever had the misfortune of having to use, it's inexcusable for such a big company. Links are unclickable half the time. I emailed customer service some time last year because I couldn't check out no matter what I tried and they told me to download Internet Explorer.

 

[Otterly]

This doesn't make any fucking sense; why not just limit how much people can buy in a given session, or ID them by logging where they're having stuff delivered and their payment details?

It makes sense from a psychological management point of view.
Government will have told them to put a page on that indicates a queue, which elicits frustration and resignation. A page that was blatantly ‘fuck off we've crashed’ elicits a different reaction - panic.
Ocado, Sainsbury’s and a few of the big supermarkets have had similar pages over the last week.

 

[Home Again]

[ . . . ] Another piece of data to chew. Assuming worst case scenario and that we are detecting 15% of total cases, based on current reported case numbers, that would give coronavirus a 0.8% fatality rate, lower then even south korea has managed. If you go with more realistic 10% numbers, that fatality rate drops even lower. Words can barely describe how absolutely blind the world is to current infection numbers, especially given how infectious corona is, and how long it has been spreading. This is why so many experts are now saying 60-70% of their countries have already been exposed, the infectious rate of corona doesnt line up at all with reported case numbers, which leads to only one conclusion: that case numbers are orders of magnitude higher then reported by testing, and since there are not hundreds of thousands of people in hospitals with mysterious pneumonia coughs in every single country, this leads to the logical conclusion that corona is nowhere nearly as deadly as testing would show due to how poorly balanced testing currently is. It would be like if you only tested patients hospitalized for flu to confirm infection then concluded that the flu had a 30% fatality rate.

This latest cope that case count is astronomical is the most ridiculous iteration but somehow it's getting traction. It's even gotten into some academic circles including the assertion that possibly half of the UK had it and CLEARED it. This claim is absolutely absurd:

1. CoV2 takes on average roughly one month to completely clear, i.e., test negative.
2. Exponential growth means half of all cases were infected 3-4 days ago and they're likely not even showing symptoms yet.
3. To have "60-70%" exposed means that the seeding in January would have had to of been in the thousands already, to already have cleared it they would have had to have had millions seeded.
4. There is evidence that cities with one or two COVID-19 fatalities have had total deaths skyrocket beyond historic norms indicating that deaths are also under-reported.
5. MOST IMPORTANTLY: If infection rates were high, positive test rates would follow, but even countries that are only testing suspected cases due to limited tests STILL have low positive rates.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

If this WuFlu thread has put you in a philosophical frame of mind, consider these Trolley Problem meme's posted by Doctor of Philosophy, Greg Sadler.

Something tells me that there are some farmers here who could come up with some even better Trolley/Covid maymays.

 

[Reverend]

To be fair staying home is the most valuable thing most people can do under the circumstances. Good moment to learn about online business though. Learn to code as the meme goes.

I'm putting my TrumpBux to use and registering another fictitious company that's restaurant/hospitality based so I can access to that sweet sweet food wholesale side of the business'.

I think "Covid Deli and Subs" has a nice ring to it.

 

[Otterly]

So here’s a question from an ignoramus to the medically-inclined Kiwis in the thread... And it’s an exceptional question, so please go easy on the neg-ratings, because I know it’s a dumb question but feel compelled to ask anyway.

As I skooshed the first mosquito of 2020 this morning here in southern Burgerland, I got to thinking: the virus is small and lasts for days on certain surfaces. It’s shed into human waste, as well as from coofing/sneezing/existing whilesick with Corona-Chan. Do we have to worry about freaking insect transmission as things warm up just cuz the virus gets everywhere and is fairly durable outside human hosts?

When a mozzie bites you, it injects saliva, not blood from it’s previous blood meal. Pathogens carried by mosquitoes are transmitted via their saliva not by regurgitation of blood. So the virus has to be cabable of not being digested in the mozzie stomach, and infecting the mozzie itself so as to be present in the saliva. And mosquitoes have immune systems too of course.
Never say never (life finds a way and all that) but mosquito carried illnesses are not often respiratory. I’m struggling to think of any off the top of my head where the main symptoms are respiratory in nature.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So here’s a question from an ignoramus to the medically-inclined Kiwis in the thread... And it’s an exceptional question, so please go easy on the neg-ratings, because I know it’s a dumb question but feel compelled to ask anyway.

As I skooshed the first mosquito of 2020 this morning here in southern Burgerland, I got to thinking: the virus is small and lasts for days on certain surfaces. It’s shed into human waste, as well as from coofing/sneezing/existing whilesick with Corona-Chan. Do we have to worry about freaking insect transmission as things warm up just cuz the virus gets everywhere and is fairly durable outside human hosts?

It's not a certainty but I'd mark it as probable. Depending on viral losd required for a good infection to happen and concentration of virus in blood there are viri which transmit less from blood than from snot. These tend to be viri which wreck the respiratory tract (and possibly the digestive) but leave other organs alone.

Thing is, we've seen vertical transmission and it seems it affects the heart so it's safe to say it is infective via blood. It is the norm anyway. Though it's not certain since as we've seen corona requires larger droplets so it does need a large viral load, and mucus/snot concentrates the virus compared with blood. So maybe it's not too bad. But honestly taking into account what mosquitoes from tropical areas carry and how said mosquitoes are migrating north due to climate change I'd say corona ain't the most worrying thing there.

EDIT: NEVER MIND I FORGOT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLOOD TRANSFUSION AND MOSQUITO TRANSFUSION OTTERLY JUST WRECKED ME WITHOUT KNOWING IT. Answer's still "probable" as opposed to a "certainty"hough.

 

[Fareal]

(life finds a way and all that)

don't u fukin start things are bad enough in 2020 without a mass dinosaur escape from epstein island

 

[AtomicAgeBoy]

Another day, another Finland update for those who are interested.
We broke 1K. 1025 laboratory confirmed cases so far. Deaths are now at 7. In Medical care 108 of which 32 are in intensive care.
53% infected are male, 47% female.
Up till now there has been total of 18k tests done.

 

[Without A Gout]

China closes all movie theaters again after hundreds reopen

Some movie theaters in China recently started to reopen after closing amid the COVID-19 coronavirus crisis, but they didn't remain in operation for long.Beijing's Film Bureau in a notice on Friday ordered all of China's movie theaters to once again close despite more than 600 cinemas previously

news.yahoo.com

China re-closes all movie theaters after briefly reopening them. Almost as if they never had contained the infection to begin with.



ARCHIVE: https://archive.li/lX2jd

 

[Army Burger]

I'm putting my TrumpBux to use and registering another fictitious company that's restaurant/hospitality based so I can access to that sweet sweet food wholesale side of the business'.

I think "Covid Deli and Subs" has a nice ring to it.

A corona cult cut sounds intriguing

 

[DNA_JACKED]

This latest cope that case count is astronomical is the most ridiculous iteration but somehow it's getting traction. It's even gotten into some academic circles including the assertion that possibly half of the UK had it and CLEARED it. This claim is absolutely absurd:

1. CoV2 takes on average roughly one month to completely clear, i.e., test negative.
2. Exponential growth means half of all cases were infected 3-4 days ago and they're likely not even showing symptoms yet.
3. To have "60-70%" exposed means that the seeding in January would have had to of been in the thousands already, to already have cleared it they would have had to have had millions seeded.
4. There is evidence that cities with one or two COVID-19 fatalities have had total deaths skyrocket beyond historic norms indicating that deaths are also under-reported.
5. MOST IMPORTANTLY: If infection rates were high, positive test rates would follow, but even countries that are only testing suspected cases due to limited tests STILL have low positive rates.

1. ChineseAIDS has been spreading since November. Illnesses with similar symptoms have been reported since January. If some on this very thread are to be believed, odd pneumonia deaths have been rolling in for some time before lockdown occurred. To suggest we calculate total infections based on when tests started showing positive is to ignore any previous evidence of illness.

Taking 1 month to test clear is occurring in seriously ill patients that show symptoms for 3+ weeks. Is this true for patients that get over the disease in one week? You have no idea, because none of them are being tested.

2. Exponential growth of cases is coming on the back of exponential increases in testing. We still cant test the public int he majority of the US, a week ago we could barely test ANYONE. Any mild or moderate tests would have flown completely under the radar at this time, and are still flying under the radar.

3. The disease began spreading in November. This disease is not only more infectious then normal flus, which have 0 problem accelerating to large numbers of cases in communities, but spreads during the asymptomatic period before infection, which no other cold or flu does. This would allow the disease to travel vast distances before anyone started getting sick. With a incubation time of anywhere from 7 days to 40, the disease would be able to spread quite a distance without alerting anybody to its presence. The disease easily could have infected tens of thousands in the 40 ish days it had from spawning in china to china's lockdown. As china was not locked down during this time, the disease had vectors to major population centers all over the world.

4. This would indicate the infection is far more widespread then is being tested. If you are correct in saying the disease ISNT largely undetected, that would suggest a death rate way higher then japan, south korea, ece have been observing with their higher per capita testing. Also, context for those higher death rates? What are the numbers, the population of cities, ece? What are these people dying of?

5. MOST IMPORTANTLY: Positive test rates cant spread when you dont test anyone! FFS S korea has the highest test rate per capita of any country yet couldnt have successfully tested 1% of their population yet, that leaves a LOT of bodies that could be sick.

And, of course, this is all built on your assumption that this highly infectious disease can just randomly pop up in cities and start infecting people with no clear line of transmission from the surrounding area. Any epidemeologist would tell you that CORONAVIRUSES DONT WORK THAT WAY. They are calculating based on other diseases because, unless the chinese invented a disease that can teleport, it has to have spread throughout the population for these serious cases to pop up hundreds of miles from each other with no pattern or consistency. The only consistency is that when we start ramping up testing, we find more cases. SHOCKING.

Hell, Ohio has tested a grand total of 17000 people. In a state of 11 million. You think that is going to give accurate data as far as disease spread and hospitalization rate? You think they are catching ANY of the mild cases with that few tests over the course of over a month?

 

[Army Burger]

China closes all movie theaters again after hundreds reopen

Some movie theaters in China recently started to reopen after closing amid the COVID-19 coronavirus crisis, but they didn't remain in operation for long.Beijing's Film Bureau in a notice on Friday ordered all of China's movie theaters to once again close despite more than 600 cinemas previously

news.yahoo.com

China re-closes all movie theaters after briefly reopening them. Almost as if they never had contained the infection to begin with.



ARCHIVE: https://archive.li/lX2jd

This is possibly the least shocking development in the coronavirus pandemic

 

[Autistic lurker]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-27/thousands-of-ukrainians-waiting-at-polish-border-to-get-home

Thousands of Ukrainians Waiting at Polish Border to Get Home | World …

archived 27 Mar 2020 20:00:04 UTC

archive.li

"...The main reason why they are leaving is the pandemic. Many of them have been working in hotels, restaurants, but their jobs are being put on hold, so they are coming back to their families, to their homeland,"

Thousands of ukrainian migrant workers now trying to return home while they still can.

Spoiler: Photos

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

How much longer to go before houses in California become affordable?

 

[Cyclonus]

First Greg Stilson becomes president of the United States, now we have an outbreak of Captain Trips. Which Stephen King book is coming true next?

 

[Otterly]

China re-closes all movie theaters after briefly reopening them. Almost as if they never had contained the infection to begin with.

This is my shocked face. Honest.

How could they possibly have extinguished this? They couldn’t. Even with their draconian crackdown. They probably got it down to lower levels, I dont doubt that. But like I said earlier about people lying about infections so they and their kids wouldnt be separated.. if you know admitting feeling ill is going to get you dragged off to the gulag, where’s your incentive to be truthful? Kids got a cough? Well they will be OK and hopefully you will... or not.
Also, let’s be charitable and assume this is a recent spillover into humans. That vector is still there in the wild. Ebola spills over every now and again. It’s there, lurking in bats, just waiting. It isn’t one lone bat, and an unlucky human, it’ll be endemic in at the very least a smallish local population of bats. Bats can do a lot of flying in a night. IF this is truly a wild animal to human event, it isn’t going away. It will keep popping up in one form or another, even if you extinguish human transmission chains. Cheery thought eh?

 

[Kornheiser]

This is my shocked face. Honest.

How could they possibly have extinguished this? They couldn’t. Even with their draconian crackdown. They probably got it down to lower levels, I dont doubt that. But like I said earlier about people lying about infections so they and their kids wouldnt be separated.. if you know admitting feeling ill is going to get you dragged off to the gulag, where’s your incentive to be truthful? Kids got a cough? Well they will be OK and hopefully you will... or not.
Also, let’s be charitable and assume this is a recent spillover into humans. That vector is still there in the wild. Ebola spills over every now and again. It’s there, lurking in bats, just waiting. It isn’t one lone bat, and an unlucky human, it’ll be endemic in at the very least a smallish local population of bats. Bats can do a lot of flying in a night. IF this is truly a wild animal to human event, it isn’t going away. It will keep popping up in one form or another, even if you extinguish human transmission chains. Cheery thought eh?

Better idea, don’t eat the bats.

 

[SBG]

Story about the Czech Republic that got into the news last week has some more details come out. Just gonna plug them into a quote.

1/ Last week, the Czech Republic made international headlines for stopping a shipment of medical supplies that included boxes labelled as Chinese humanitarian aid to Italy. Together with @Aktualnecz, we have looked into the involved parties.

2/ On Mar 16, Czech police raided a warehouse in the northwestern Czech town of Lovosice. In there, the authorities have found 680 thousand face masks and 28 thousand respirators. Approximately 100 thousand masks were labelled as Chinese Red Cross aid to Italy.

3/ The police confiscated the material since a Czech reseller tried to sell it to the Czech government for an excessive price in the time of crisis using that warehouse. The storage unit belongs to an influential united front figure - Zhou Lingjian.

4/ Zhou Lingjian who co-owns the company CTE CARGO Sped linked to CTE International who sold the 580 thousand masks to the Czech "shell" company, is in charge of the Czech Qingtian Hometown Association and runs the most prominent Chinese diaspora media Prague Chinese Times.

5/ His group has been at the forefront of a collection for Qingtian back in February, in total buying up 780 thousand face masks and 30 thousand respirators from Czech drug stores. This created suspicion that the material is actually from the local Chinese collection.

6/ Zhou claims it was imported from Hong Kong but stopped mid-way in CZ instead of going to Italy. The Italian embassy and Czech police claim the humanitarian aid was stolen by an organized group, leaving even more suspicion about why the boxes ended in Zhou's warehouse.

7/ Qingtian UFWD/OCAO also asked Zhou's group to send 50 tons of rice to Italian Qingtianese making the connection between Zhou and the Party organs clear. Similar to the rice shipment, even the boxes marked as humanitarian aid were actually intended for overseas Chinese in Italy

8/ This preferential treatment is violates the Red Cross principles. The Red Cross Society of China's honorary president Wang Qishan must be extremely unhappy about such an outrageous act.

9/ This incident leaves much doubt about the "aid" that is now coming from China to Europe. Especially since much of what is labelled as "aid" is either sales or directed at the overseas Chinese.

Filip Jirouš on Twitter

“1/ Last week, the Czech Republic made international headlines for stopping a shipment of medical supplies that included boxes labelled as Chinese humanitarian aid to Italy. Together with @Aktualnecz, we have looked into the involved parties. https://t.co/B0Qs6vlZZI”

twitter.com

Sounds a lot like the 'aid' China is doing for Europe is fake, in the sense that it isn't really meant for Europeans, but rather for the Chinese in Europe and/or those connected to those connected to the Chinese party. Possibly a portion even done to just help with selling emergency goods for inflated prices in a typical corrupt Chinese fashion, saying that the goods are 'aid' when really they're just hoping to sell the goods at exaggerated prices while being allowed to bring in the goods without any sort of taxes because it was initially labeled as aid (an explanation for saying the goods were stolen).

Also it's probably worth noting the Chinese Red Cross is not affiliated with the international organization.

Edit: As a sidenote, China is banning people on its social media (Weibo) for supporting the US.

 

[spiritofamermaid]

Gotta make Americans scared. I mean, really ramp up the terror to unheard of levels. It's the only way they'll be stupid enough to allow their government to do something like permanently suspend due process. The only reason they're not calling for the 2020 election to be canceled or postponed is Trump is in the office.

If it was Hillary they would have already suspended it indefinitely.

Can they even do that? I thought that the Founders planned for it to happen even with war.