Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Otterly]

Better idea, don’t eat the bats.

You don’t even need to eat them. Hendra virus is I think bats shitting on stuff that horses eat, then the horse is the vector for the Transmission to humans. Nature’s a bitch

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Can they even do that? I thought that the Founders planned for it to happen even with war.

Title 3 of the US code cements in stone the date of presidential elections. Moving that date would be a Herculean task and would likely cause a constitutional crisis.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

On the prospects for Detroit:
"U.S. coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx for the first time on Thursday identified Wayne County as an area of focus." (Detroit proper is in Wayne County.)
(article) (archive)
Highlights:

Detroit has a higher percentage of African Americans and higher poverty levels than any other large U.S. city.
Detroiters report significantly higher rates of chronic disease than residents statewide, according to the 2015-17 Michigan Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System conducted by state health officials.
About 14.5% of adults have asthma, compared with 10.7% statewide. They also have higher incidence of kidney disease.
Two out of five Detroiters reported they are obese and 12.5% suffer from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, compared with 8.5% statewide.
A mitigating factor in Detroit is age, where the population trails the state average in the percentage of residents over 65. The percentage of elderly with disabilities, however, is double that of the statewide percentage.

Another article (archive)

Detroit Metro Airport was one of 13 in the country and one of only two in the Midwest along with Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport that have been serving flights from Europe and Asia during COVID-related travel restrictions.

The Army Corps of Engineers is scouting out alternative care locations in Detroit (article) (archive). Our state chief medical executive is preparing to shift patients from Detroit to elsewhere (article) (archive).

As previously mentioned in the thread, Detroit hospitals are preparing for triaging (archive on KF), a Detroit nurse had a nervous breakdown (archive), and so did a Detroit-area representative in Congress (archive). I could swear I saw these posted somewhere on this site, but now I can't find them to give credit. Sorry!

Flint, Michigan, famous for the lead in its water, is restoring water to 140 households, owing to the Coronavirus.
(article) (archive)

Corona-Chan's prison tour continues. 24 prisoners tested positive at numerous facilities.
(article) (archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWNS
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential (groceries, gas stations, pharmacies, the usual) from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. (archive) (executive order saved on KF)
Schools will likely not re-open this year (archive)
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) are closing all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work, until "at least April." This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which will also be obliged to close. (archive) (archive) They will be making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and GM will be helping Ventec, a company that makes ventilators (archive - ventilators). Ford will be helping 3M and GE Healthcare to make respirators and ventilators (archive).

FREE STUFF!
Free bus rides in Detroit after drivers' strike (archive- strike) (archive - free fares)
Free access to state parks (archive)
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive)
State prisoners are being provided two free phone calls and two free emails a week, by the 3rd party vendors thereof (archive)
Flint is turning water back on for 140 households (archive)

FREEDOM!
Semi-trucks carrying essential supplies can ignore seasonal road weight limits (archive)
Distilleries can make hand sanitizer without a permit (archive)
The city of Detroit is expediting the release of prisoners onto tether monitoring (archive)
Pharmacists may prescribe 60 days of emergency medication and may substitute drugs without physicians approval in event of shortages (archive).

BAD SIGNS
24 prisoners and 9 staff infected at numerous facilities. (archive) (archive)
Six confirmed cases among patients and staff in Michigan psychiatric hospitals. (archive)
One confirmed case at homeless shelter in Flint (of lead-plumbing fame) (archive)
Detroit hospitals nearing capacity, with almost 450 Wuflu patients. (archive) (archive)
Detroit hospitals prepare triage plans (archive on KF)
Detroit nurse has a nervous breakdown (archive)
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (archive).

LAW AND ORDER
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive).
25 Detroit police officers and 1 firefighter tested positive and over 400 officers and 70 staff are quarantined (the Detroit Police Dept. has about 2,200 officers) (archive) (archive). Three Michigan officers and police staff dead, all in the Detroit area. (archive) (archive) (archive)
Despite this, 911 calls are down 15-20% in Detroit, and Mayor Mike Duggan (D) estimates actual crime has dropped even more (archive).
Two Kalamazoo police tested positive (archive, archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $500 fines and 90 days jail time. Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive). Local law enforcement is floundering and we are essentially working on an honor system (archive - Kalamazoo) (archive - Ann Arbor)

DEATH TOLL
Michigan deaths: 30-some since yesterday, 92 total, mostly in and around Detroit, but starting to spread out (archive), plus one Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).

 

[Cat Menagerie]

Hobby Lobby, run by a family of cunts, is firing people via email. No severance. I wonder if this was part of his wife's vision with Jesus.

 

[XYZpdq]

Hobby Lobby, run by a family of cunts, is firing people via email. No severance. I wonder if this was part of his wife's vision with Jesus.

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gonna be sooooooooooo many badges and equipment with poop germs on them

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

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Stay strong bros.

Had to verify if this was real or not. It is. It's an anime convention in Hawaii. Google is describing it as a comic convention. Not entirely wrong, manga are just comics from Japan.

Name's even funnier when you know what the convention is for.

 

[Godzilla1984]

Real talk.
A couple of my former coworkers are looking to litigate our termination.
One's a kid who was in school in '08. Kid. Pass.
The other has no sympathy from me. Older than me. Should know better.
Take the money, hunker in the bunker, ride it it out.
Mining is a TINY industry.
Leave me out of your windmill crusades.
Long term logic always grinds to dust short term emotion.

 

[Barnard]

Well, not a bad day over here. 168 new cases detected today is two fewer than yesterday, this despite the daily number of tests surging past 4500 (it was barely past 3000 just a couple days ago). The percentage of positive samples vs all samples tested actually decreased for the first time. And most importantly, nobody died.

Good news is, the Mazovian voivodeship (the central, most populous region of Poland where the capital is located,) seems to be slowing down, the worse news is that a few others are picking up the pace. There are also reports incoming of people testing negative twice and being discharged from hospitals after 2-3 weeks, but the ministry refuses to declare them recovered. They are all required to stay in quarantine for two more weeks now, so I can only assume they will be tested again afterwards and only then officially announced as recovered.

Everyone's staying inside and so am I. Fuck the sunny, warm weather and chirping birds.

 

[Without A Gout]

Hobby Lobby, run by a family of cunts, is firing people via email. No severance. I wonder if this was part of his wife's vision with Jesus.

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But with the will of God, these lost sheep will be able to reapply to these jobs in an employer's market, thus depressing wages in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[simulated goat]

First Greg Stilson becomes president of the United States, now we have an outbreak of Captain Trips. Which Stephen King book is coming true next?

All of them. You don't even want to know what shit Colorado resorts are going thru right now, what with all the spectral twins and the guy with the axe running around. And the plague of clowns in the Maine sewers will be breaking out of containment any week now.

 

[Allakazam223]

don't u fukin start things are bad enough in 2020 without a mass dinosaur escape from epstein island

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[Bob's Fuckass Head]

As previously mentioned in the thread, Detroit hospitals are preparing for triaging (archive on KF), a Detroit nurse had a nervous breakdown (archive), and so did a Detroit-area representative in Congress (archive). I could swear I saw these posted somewhere on this site, but now I can't find them to give credit. Sorry!

I don't believe I've seen it on the farms yet, but I will stand corrected if someone else did indeed post it first.

Spoiler: Try turning her off and back on again

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Title 3 of the US code cements in stone the date of presidential elections. Moving that date would be a Herculean task and would likely cause a constitutional crisis.

There is a bit of wiggle room actually, but it's at the state level

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/1 (Archive)

The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.

As far as I can tell there's no requirement for the state to appoint electors to the electoral college by popular vote

Wikipedia reckons that it's up to the state. A state could, theoretically, decide to appoint electors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election (Archive)

Also under Clause 2, the manner for choosing electors is determined by each state legislature, not directly by the federal government. Many state legislatures previously selected their electors directly, but over time all of them switched to using the popular vote to determine electors, which persists today. Once chosen, electors generally cast their electoral votes for the candidate who won the plurality in their state, but 18 states do not have provisions that specifically address this behavior; those who vote in opposition to the plurality are known as "faithless" or "unpledged" electors.[1] In modern times, faithless and unpledged electors have not affected the ultimate outcome of an election, so the results can generally be determined based on the state-by-state popular vote.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii (Archive)

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

So, theoretically, states could decide to forgo the popular vote and just appoint their electors. I suspect the shit would really hit the fan if they tried this though.

As Slate put it

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-constitution-state-electors-coronavirus.html (Archive)

Due in part to partisan gerrymandering, Republicans control the legislatures of 28 states. Collectively, these states have 294 electoral votes. Trump himself could not cancel the entire presidential election. But he could ask these GOP-dominated legislatures to cancel their statewide presidential elections and assign their electors to him. It’s doubtful that we will face this situation in November. But imagine a worst-case scenario: The election is approaching, and the coronavirus remains rampant in our communities. States are unsure whether they have the personnel and resources to hold an election. Congress has failed to mandate no-excuse absentee balloting, and many states have declined to implement it. Or the postal service is so hard hit that it cannot reliably carry ballots to and from voters’ residences. It’s not difficult to envision Trump’s allies in state legislatures assigning their states’ electoral votes to the president, insisting that these dire circumstances justify pulling a constitutional fire alarm.

There is one catch. This scenario presumes that state legislature have the power not only to pick electors, but also to direct them to vote for a specific candidate. States have long exercised this control over electors’ votes. But the Supreme Court will soon hear two cases brought by electors who assert that they have a constitutional right to vote for whomever they wish. They assert that state legislatures can appoint electors—the human beings themselves—but cannot then require them to vote for a particular candidate, or punish them if they do not. It seems unlikely that the court will grant “faithless electors” the ability to buck state legislatures and cast rogue votes. If the court does give electors this right, however, the entire system will be thrown into chaos. Statewide votes would become largely meaningless, because the 538 electors could “vote their conscience” no matter what the state legislature demands.

Let’s assume, though, that SCOTUS will not burn down the current system, and the court allows states to exercise their traditional authority to assign electors to candidates. This system permits legislatures to cancel or ignore the statewide presidential election and effectively decide the election. That shortcut to reelection would be profoundly anti-democratic. But so is the Electoral College itself, and we are still living with its consequences. Until both Republicans and Democrats agree to amend this Rube Goldberg machine out of the Constitution, it will remain a tool for autocrats to wield when they fear the majority has turned against them.

They lead off with some partisan grumbling but it does seem like Republican state legislatures could just appoint some GOP lackeys men of vision and grit to see the country through these hard times and into a glorious future to the electoral college.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Meanwhile, in Kenya.
Very low numbers. I suspect the reality of the situation to be much worse.
596 Tested 31 Confirmed 1 Dead 1 Recovered
Tracking the coronavirus | Archive
First Covid-19 death in Kenya. 66 yr old man with underlying health issues.
Source | Archive

Kenyans aren't taking social distancing order well.
Chaos ensues.
Source | Archive

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All part and parcel of living in the diverse and vibrant city of London.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Oh no I feel another mental diarrhea coming.

Spoiler: bias. not as easy as you think

People think they know bias. People think bias is religion, politics, bullshit like that. And that is bias, but bias is not that. It's a lot more than that.

I'd say you should check the differences on the answers me and @Otterly give to certain questions, and you might find I am biased, in a much subtler way.

You see. My biggest source of info on viri is my biotech studies. Whereas hers are her medical practice. And this, is a difference as strong as religion or worldview. We might as well be from two completely different worlds. We're both honest. We're both using corroborated facts, and yet, our answers are completely opposed. And for this you should probably listen to Otterly in those cases, her experience is more aplicable. But I'm not making this rant just for that. So if that's all you wanted to know, you can go, the rest, let's talk a bit more about bias, what that reveals, and a bit of a doomer post.

Spoiler: theory vs practice

We could argue than the difference between otterly and me is one of theory vs practice. I am used to thinking of viri in the abstract, clasification way. But some of those groups are ginormous and make up well over 90% of what we see in the west, whereas most of those groups either don't even afect humans or are tropical superviri, they don't matter.

So. I'm used to viri that have a preferred target due to the proteins they attack but who still transmit through media a lot more easily, ALL media. Whereas, that, just doesn't apply in practice. But why?

Spoiler: the inmune system and medicine

The inmune system and medicine, that's why. Because in practice the viri in the west have to deal with our white blood cells. And that makes blood transmission a lot harder. And that makes it so viri, well, "stay on their lane" so to speak.

See, this is why respiratory viri are so common here. Snot, phlegm and mucus is a defense mechanism that keeps things out of our blood. Our lungs are giant filters basically, but all filters accumulate waste on the outside, snot cleans that waste. But in doing so it also concentrates it. Respiratory viri have managed to overpower that mechanism and infiltrate our lung, they use out own fluids to dodge the lymphocites, they have managed to rig our own defense mechanisms against us. In the same way that HIV infects white blood cells by rigging the mechanisms they usually make to defend us.

But why mucus? The answer is medicine. Through antivirals/antibiotics we've essentially manage to superpower our white cells, so long as the virus is in the blood we can kill it. It has to find ways around this. Evolution finds a way. And thing is... most of our medicine is in 2 fields. Symptomatic medicine, which only treat symptoms, and medicine which empowers out own defense systems against the pathogen. We have very little ways to kill viri without using our own lymphocites. So as long as the pathogen finds a way to avoid our white blood cells. It's safe.

Spoiler: corona, and what's to come

And so we get to Corona. Corona isn't very infectious in reality. It's also not very lethal. It's frankly a mild piece of shit. But our chinese waifu corona-chan has a trick up her sleeve. It's very good at avoiding our usual defense mechanisms. Not our biological ones. But our medical ones. There is no vaccine for corona. There is no antiviral for corona. And so... all we can really do is treat the symptoms and hope the lymphocites do their job. And they do, but... the question is how many we can treat before our system collapses. This is an expensive way to deal with pathogens. And an inefficient way too.

So. What's the thing with the title? Well. There's a growing concerns amongst epidemiologists, that antibiotic resistant pathogens are growing in number. Be it antibacterial resistant bacterias or antiviral resistant viri. This is in a big part due to abuse of antibiotics. Here in the west doctors are told to stop that shit (I asked my union contact and indeed it's been long since the union had to give a talking to to a doctor for that shit) and farms are regulated... to some degree. But to be honest farms still abuse that shit. And attempts to stop their rampant abuse is met with criticisms of "guvernmental overreach, "free market constrains" and "uncompetitive economies". But if you think that's bad... you have no idea the bullshit that happens in asia, south america and africa.

So... what if a single antibiotic resistant organism makes their jump to humans? Well, then it will have the same ace up their sleeve as corona. But... it'll likely be far, far more lethal.

Let me be clear albeit a bit doomery. If this shit is allowed to continue, Corona will become our new normal. Hell. It'll be downright nice by comparison to what's to come some years. These are the fruits of globalism, and if we don't cut that tree, more will follow.

 

[Home Again]

1. ChineseAIDS has been spreading since November. Illnesses with similar symptoms have been reported since January. If some on this very thread are to be believed, odd pneumonia deaths have been rolling in for some time before lockdown occurred. To suggest we calculate total infections based on when tests started showing positive is to ignore any previous evidence of illness.

Taking 1 month to test clear is occurring in seriously ill patients that show symptoms for 3+ weeks. Is this true for patients that get over the disease in one week? You have no idea, because none of them are being tested.

2. Exponential growth of cases is coming on the back of exponential increases in testing. We still cant test the public int he majority of the US, a week ago we could barely test ANYONE. Any mild or moderate tests would have flown completely under the radar at this time, and are still flying under the radar.

3. The disease began spreading in November. This disease is not only more infectious then normal flus, which have 0 problem accelerating to large numbers of cases in communities, but spreads during the asymptomatic period before infection, which no other cold or flu does. This would allow the disease to travel vast distances before anyone started getting sick. With a incubation time of anywhere from 7 days to 40, the disease would be able to spread quite a distance without alerting anybody to its presence. The disease easily could have infected tens of thousands in the 40 ish days it had from spawning in china to china's lockdown. As china was not locked down during this time, the disease had vectors to major population centers all over the world.

4. This would indicate the infection is far more widespread then is being tested. If you are correct in saying the disease ISNT largely undetected, that would suggest a death rate way higher then japan, south korea, ece have been observing with their higher per capita testing. Also, context for those higher death rates? What are the numbers, the population of cities, ece? What are these people dying of?

5. MOST IMPORTANTLY: Positive test rates cant spread when you dont test anyone! FFS S korea has the highest test rate per capita of any country yet couldnt have successfully tested 1% of their population yet, that leaves a LOT of bodies that could be sick.

And, of course, this is all built on your assumption that this highly infectious disease can just randomly pop up in cities and start infecting people with no clear line of transmission from the surrounding area. Any epidemeologist would tell you that CORONAVIRUSES DONT WORK THAT WAY. They are calculating based on other diseases because, unless the chinese invented a disease that can teleport, it has to have spread throughout the population for these serious cases to pop up hundreds of miles from each other with no pattern or consistency. The only consistency is that when we start ramping up testing, we find more cases. SHOCKING.

Hell, Ohio has tested a grand total of 17000 people. In a state of 11 million. You think that is going to give accurate data as far as disease spread and hospitalization rate? You think they are catching ANY of the mild cases with that few tests over the course of over a month?

Let's focus -- your underlying argument seems to be that there may be many unknown cases due to lack of data/testing. Countries performing more tests still have a low positive rate, even in countries only performing symptomatic or trace testing. Countries performing random/sentinel testing have even lower positive rates than that. South Korea is doing both and they're only testing 2% positive. Yes, the lack of data sucks, but the data we do have does not support anything you're saying.

 

[JosephStalin]

Some thoughts.

Seeing one set of police fight another set of police is highly unusual. Beijing will not be happy about this. They like to maintain the fiction that all China is working together, that all are brothers and sisters (least the Han Chinese).

Not surprised at all about re-closing the movie theaters. Am sure the ChiCom Flu is still making its' rounds throughout the country, and nothing the Chinese say can be believed. Am certain the numbers of sick and dead are orders of magnitude higher than reported.

Have seen where the Russians are doing their own disinformation. Please...this is already hitting Russia. Believe this will hit Russia much worse than it has hit the USA. The Russian medical system is simply not up to dealing with the numbers of very sick people that will be overwhelming their hospitals.

Check this out and figure the odds of the ChiCom Flu wrecking the Russian medical system.

Health care system in Russia

Услуги

www.ap-companies.com

While we're at it, the ChiCom Flu will also impact the Russian military heavily, probably worse than in the USA. Soldiers live in crowded barracks. Most officers live with their families in small apartments in apartment complexes. Great for spreading the virus. A little PL - retired US senior officer. From what I have seen of Russian officer housing, could not imagine a single US officer living in such "style". I sure as hell never did, even as a new second lieutenant. Doubt Russian military medical care, except for the top officers, is any better than downtown.

Readiness will suffer. Can see high-ranking officers sitting in Strategic Rocket Forces' missile silos due to illnesses of the regular officers manning the silos. Not only that, but in the Russian military officers do many tasks that in the US/UK/EU/Japan/Korea are done by noncommissioned officers (sergeants/petty officers). For example, the crew chief of a US military aircraft is the guy/gal that makes sure all repairs/maintenance are complete and the plane is ready to fly. Then when the aircraft returns from the mission that crew chief is there to learn of any problems that came up during the flight. In the US military crew chiefs are noncommissioned officers, and not real high-ranking ones at that. The Russians use commissioned/warrant officers as crew chiefs - one per plane. So in a squadron of 24 fighters you have 24 officer crew chiefs, plus the pilots and other officer specialties. The Russian noncommissioned officer corps is rather lacking. Same issues throughout the Russian military.

Interesting article about how the Russians are developing a noncommissioned officer corps. When you see the salary figures one Russian ruble equals one US cent.

Russian Armed Forces

The Russian enlisted education system is unlike the U.S. system. It is not designed to develop well rounded leaders, it is instead designed to develop technically proficient professionals.

www.armyupress.army.mil

Matter of fact, the ChiCom Flu will affect military readiness to varying extents in every country it hits.

Just saw a thing from our county health department saying even though there are only 27 cases in the county, the county plans to extend their shelter-in-place past 7 April. Yeah, we'll see how people put up with that.


Something on how the ChiCom Flu is affecting Iran.

Coronavirus Delivers Another Devastating Blow to the Iranian Regime

BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 1,507, March 27, 2020EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The coronavirus pandemic has hit Iran hard, and not only on the health front. The virus is the latest in a succession of

besacenter.org

And in the "People are Pricks" department, walked by Walmart this morning, hoping to find my Outshine bars. No luck. Good supplies of eggs, milk, bread and water. Supplies of asswipe and paper towels, but no tissues. Supply of fresh meat/poultry fair, frozen meats/poultry very thin. Employees had a lot of food out on the floor, stocking as best they could.

Was over at the asswipe department talking with an employee. He was wearing a mask. Told me he asked some woman to watch where she coughed. She replied, "Who are you to tell me what to do?" No-good lousy cunt. Should have called the police. Employee lives with elderly mother with health issues, and has a brother with health issues. Man isn't paid enough for what he does. We agreed China needs to pay for all this.

The President has signed the stimulus bill into law. Video of AOC babbling. Just STFU, sow.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news...-pain/ar-BB11NlNe?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

 

[Fatrick Hamlinson]

Bearing in mind that this isn't peer-reviewed and is preliminary, here is a Stanford research paper regarding reusing masks.

They DO NOT recommend alcohol or chlorine-based washes, as these can destroy the filters in the mask.

 

[XYZpdq]

I don't believe I've seen it on the farms yet, but I will stand corrected if someone else did indeed post it first.

Spoiler: Try turning her off and back on again

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I think HK-47 put it in the thread about the bill, but yeah holy shit I had to rewatch that a couple of times to make sure it wasn't me going crazy, she really is just babbling.

 

[JosephStalin]

I don't believe I've seen it on the farms yet, but I will stand corrected if someone else did indeed post it first.

Spoiler: Try turning her off and back on again

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Jesus Christ. This twat's as fucked up as a football bat.