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Pretty much this. It was very much a trumped-up non-entity, especially when Fred Phelps was in charge.

Looking back, I think that Fred Phelps himself was specifically used as the controlled opposition and may have been in on the whole thing in exchange for money and publicity, especially when it comes to his past in the Civil Rights Movement and his ties to the Democratic Party before the mid-90's and the fact that WBC never officially associated with any political party after that. Fred was a showman and an attention whore shyster who loved money and publicity.

His church was founded in 1955 but did not engage in any protests or active anti-gay rhetoric until 1991, over thirty-five years later.

There's also the fact that after he died and his church was taken over by a true believer and one of the few people who wasn't part of the Phelps Family, the media completely ignored them and they quickly faded into irrelevance.

Fred Phelps was the real fucking deal. There's interviews with people who were in the church; he was absolutely sincere in what he did. He was not controlled opposition.

Like, he took civil rights cases for the money and he was an old-school Dixiecrat. You think he was a closet progressive trying to make Christians look bad? He was a racist.

Uh huh... So what you're saying is that I should take that "We're not a political group" at face value? I suppose the very real threat of a communistic take-over has me a little paranoid then. In the clown world we live in, a bunch of innocent Soviet Union otaku garners the same sense of fear and dread as a professor trying to indoctrinate his classroom. Still, it might be worth keeping an eye on since we'll never know when these groups might gain sudden and unexpected power like the modern left has in the West.

Damn it, I long for the days when the only time you would see hammer and sickle iconography was in a video game...
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This is like saying that the Bob Avakian/Marcyite Communist groups would actually be able to gain power in the U.S. - something that's obviously stupid on its face if you actually know what these people are like.
 
Fred Phelps was the real fucking deal. There's interviews with people who were in the church; he was absolutely sincere in what he did. He was not controlled opposition.

Like, he took civil rights cases for the money and he was an old-school Dixiecrat. You think he was a closet progressive trying to make Christians look bad? He was a racist.

I knew that Phelps was a racist and truly believed all that traditionalist garbage he spewed, but I always figured he was the kind of guy who would cynically take the paycheck and serve as controlled opposition if it meant he could get the publicity.

Fred Phelps was a true believer in his puritan traditionalist faggotry, but he was also the kind of slimy fuck who would willing play into the progressives' hands and sabotage the anti-LGBT movements for the the exact same reason he took all those civil rights cases in the 60's. It gave him a hefty paycheck and lots of publicity. All of WBC's money came from legal fees, mainly earned by suing the people they goaded into attacking.

Fred Phelps was an attention whore every bit as much as he was a racist and a puritan.
 
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Well he demanded that they let in 1-3 million low-IQ Pakistanis at the request of Israel, so I can see why Japanese people would hate him.
To be fair, he's also urged the Japanese to start fucking and making babies repeatedly. Considering they'd all rather apparently date body pillows and anime characters or set up whatever the Japanese equivalent is of an Onlyfans account, Japan may be a country where replacing the workforce actually is a problem.
 
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Fred Phelps was the real fucking deal. There's interviews with people who were in the church; he was absolutely sincere in what he did. He was not controlled opposition.

Like, he took civil rights cases for the money and he was an old-school Dixiecrat. You think he was a closet progressive trying to make Christians look bad? He was a racist.

This is like saying that the Bob Avakian/Marcyite Communist groups would actually be able to gain power in the U.S. - something that's obviously stupid on its face if you actually know what these people are like.
Controlled opposition doesn't always mean a plant. A person can be completely sincere and still be controlled opposition; if they get a shit ton of negative media attention far beyond their actual relevance because they have the worst optics ever, will always take the bait, and are similar enough to a larger, actually relevant group that the group can be tainted by association.

In that regard, Westboro Baptist Church was unquestioningly, zero doubt about it, controlled opposition. Do you really think that these 40 idiots in a bumfuck town who never accomplished anything besides piss off everyone by waving signs and being obnoxious, deserved the mountains of international media coverage they got? What about them was actually news worthy?

People who commit mass murder get less media coverage. A LOT less.
 
Controlled opposition doesn't always mean a plant. A person can be completely sincere and still be controlled opposition; if they get a shit ton of negative media attention far beyond their actual relevance because they have the worst optics ever, will always take the bait, and are similar enough to a larger, actually relevant group that the group can be tainted by association.

In that regard, Westboro Baptist Church was unquestioningly, zero doubt about it, controlled opposition. Do you really think that these 40 idiots in a bumfuck town who never accomplished anything besides piss off everyone by waving signs and being obnoxious, deserved the mountains of international media coverage they got? What about them was actually news worthy?

People who commit mass murder get less media coverage. A LOT less.

Pretty much this.

Plus there's the fact that all that media coverage ceased overnight once Phelps died....

Considering the fact that Phelps did all that Civil Rights legal activism despite being a stone cold racist solely because of the paychecks and the publicity, I have no doubt he'd do the same thing for the LGBT rights movement. Even if it meant effectively being the coup de grace for the already mortally wounded Religious Right in the late 2000's.

I would not be surprised if Phelps was at least partly aware of this in his later years and knew he was giving his critics what they wanted. He loved money and he loved the attention, and I also wouldn't be surprised if he had some warped religious reason for it, thinking he could accelerate the Second Coming of Christ by making the world as wicked and anti-Christian as he possibly could.

A lot of WBC's rhetoric backs this theory, considering they have said they have no interest in trying to convert people but to expose the "sinful wickedness of their hearts" whenever they do their asinine protests.

WBC was very much controlled opposition and had outlived its usefulness after Phelps died.

It doesn't not matter if Fred Phelps was aware of it and just went along with it for his own ulterior motives or if he was really that dumb or zealous enough to play right into the mainstream media's hands.

Westboro Baptist Church only had as much influence as the media would give them. Everyone hated them, including the entirety of the Religious Right and even the fucking KKK.

Jack Chick had more respectability by comparison, and some of his less overtly insane tracts are often circulated by mainstream churches, particularly "This Is Your Life" and "The Greatest Story Ever Told" when it gets close to Christmas.

In many ways, Chick was the antithesis of Fred Phelps since he went above and beyond to avoid media attention and publicity.

There's a reason why so many people thought he was a pseudonym for multiple artists and authors or someone doing a stealth parody right up until he died in 2016.
 
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Because in a country that venerates the military :semperfidelis: they would turn up at their funerals shouting 'LOL, burn in hell fags'.

That's kinda ballsy.

True, but that would be the kind of thing that's only nationally newsworthy the first time and not to the degree of coverage they got.

Either way, the WBC are irrelevant assholes these days and I mainly mentioned them as proof of how far the Religious Right fell after they stopped being politically useful for the establishment neocons

The same fate will probably happen to the SJW's once they stop being useful for the neoliberals in the establishment, no matter how much black pill doomers like to say otherwise.
 
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Because in a country that venerates the military :semperfidelis: they would turn up at their funerals shouting 'LOL, burn in hell fags'.

That's kinda ballsy.
That's state news on a slow day at most. Meanwhile, this was barely reported on and further developments on the story have dropped out of the news completely after last September.

The news is whatever the big national media outlets decide to report on. And they loved the fuck out of reporting on the Westboro Baptist Church, despite there only ever being the exact same two stories about them, endlessly repeated:
  1. They waved signs around that said "Fags burn in hell" and said that bad things are God's punishment for tolerating the gays.
  2. The same, but at a military funeral.
they also hate australia, but hats not very controversial.

On second thought, maybe I was too hasty to condemn them.
 
Controlled opposition doesn't always mean a plant. A person can be completely sincere and still be controlled opposition; if they get a shit ton of negative media attention far beyond their actual relevance because they have the worst optics ever, will always take the bait, and are similar enough to a larger, actually relevant group that the group can be tainted by association.

In that regard, Westboro Baptist Church was unquestioningly, zero doubt about it, controlled opposition. Do you really think that these 40 idiots in a bumfuck town who never accomplished anything besides piss off everyone by waving signs and being obnoxious, deserved the mountains of international media coverage they got? What about them was actually news worthy?

People who commit mass murder get less media coverage. A LOT less.


I don't think they were, if anything the Phelps tendancy to breach all social taboo's about Americans is classic media fodder. It could be argued they were fake news but it's incredably unlikely the media deliberatly set them up as part of a coherant aghenda. He was just the only one who broke mainstreme conservative taboo's. Mass murderers get less coverage because the nature of what they do means their simply isnt enough for the rolling news after the initial horror show.

They wernt set up because they made the anti-LGBT crowd look bad, they were set up because people like to gawk at the freaks.
On reflection they're the same as a lot of SJW's, the right isnt deliberatly setting them up as 'controlled opposition'-they're just happy to exploit the freak show

Although personally I can't think of any of there 'peer's who look particulary good which madethe phelps' largely redundant to me pretty much all of them are/were horrible, corrupt or stupid once you got past the pious demenor. If anythung the idea of controlled opposition seems like a noble lie to right tell themselves to distance their own issues from the phelps'.


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"this isnt real enough for you Liv?....it's real enough for these guys"
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A bit of topic change, but again, why they blame capitalism and American politics for Coronavid, while it orginated in China (socialist country) and is the worst in Italy (European country) and really, almost all countries, regardless of political system are affected.
 
BPD AND ECSTASY CONCEITED WITH LOW SELF-ESTEEM SHE'S A TEENAGE DREAM IF YOU HATE YOURSELF

In all seriousness, I think she only pretends to be Indian so she can call her borderline personality disorder "two-spiritedness"
Invisible-In-Blizzards thinks that if she spends enough time demanding the natives be given their land back, she'll be given a house there with all expanses paid for.
 
A bit of topic change, but again, why they blame capitalism and American politics for Coronavid, while it orginated in China (socialist country) and is the worst in Italy (European country) and really, almost all countries, regardless of political system are affected.
Simplistic models for simple people, decease control is as beyond them as medieval people when they blamed cats/jews and I say that as a hard line Socialist.
Unless their proposed socialist world doesnt have international trade and the increased geographical mobility of the modern world this is going to happen in any economic model. If anything it's even more likely to happen considering they often advocate either softening or removal of border control.

Consider the non-airborne Black deaths spread rate in the highly decentralized, non-mechanized medieval europe and you see how inevitable these things are.
 
Jack Chick had more respectability by comparison, and some of his less overtly insane tracts are often circulated by mainstream churches, particularly "This Is Your Life" and "The Greatest Story Ever Told" when it gets close to Christmas.

In many ways, Chick was the antithesis of Fred Phelps since he went above and beyond to avoid media attention and publicity.

There's a reason why so many people thought he was a pseudonym for multiple artists and authors or someone doing a stealth parody right up until he died in 2016.

That's because he was afraid the Vatican would assassinate him for exposing them. (Or, alternately, a fanatical Muslim - he wasn't afraid to show Muhammad in his comics.)
 
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