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I'm aware of that. What I'm asking is why isn't this study from French researchers, which looks to confirm what Trump said, not bigger news? And the answer is probably because it may confirm what Trump said 🤔

Because 80 people in a study is nothing.
Edit: The first paper was also French and was about 50 case studies IIRC. Nobody in the media cares, Trump says air is nice they die of lack of oxygen.
 
I'm aware of that. What I'm asking is why isn't this study from French researchers, which looks to confirm what Trump said, not bigger news? And the answer is probably because it may confirm what Trump said 🤔

Because the study is shit.

Viral load was used as the endpoint instead of clinical outcomes. Everyone in the treatment group whose condition worsened was excluded. These are glaring red flags.

We don't know if hydroxychloroquine works or not so tamp down on your aquarium cleaner.
 
Well, the doctor says as many as 200,000 Americans could die of the ChiCom Flu.


Hmmm...over 600,000 Americans die every year of heart problems. Another 600,000 die of cancer. About 720,000 die of diabetes, falls at home, auto accidents, infections acquired at hospitals, suicide, and other stuff.


And the CDC says since 29 September 2019 there have been 39,000,000 cases of the "regular" flu, with 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 dead.



Taking all this into consideration, I fail to see why we need large-scale "shelter-in-places". Do this only for the areas with the most cases. These areas seem to be more apparent every day. Just go ahead and do it. Get the country going again. Pretty soon people will just start ignoring these orders anyway.
 
I'm aware of that. What I'm asking is why isn't this study from French researchers, which looks to confirm what Trump said, not bigger news? And the answer is probably because it may confirm what Trump said 🤔
The American press is the American press after all. I did manage to find a news article written by an actual chemist who ditches the open bias and takes a more cautious but not openly negative approach to the reports about the hydroxychloroquine. She even links to the science papers.
“So the science is real, and a number of labs around the world are now investigating these drugs and testing them in clinical trials in the U.S., France and China. But so far, there is no consensus about whether the drugs are safe and effective for treating COVID-19, as it is still very early in the testing process.”

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“So until these or any drugs have been shown to be effective against SARS-CoV-2 in clinical trials and have been approved by the FDA, no one should be self-medicating.”
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Taking all this into consideration, I fail to see why we need large-scale "shelter-in-places". Do this only for the areas with the most cases. These areas seem to be more apparent every day. Just go ahead and do it. Get the country going again. Pretty soon people will just start ignoring these orders anyway.

Well, it's their choice to disregard the advice to stay in. If I'm going to have to spend weeks living off tinned food I'd rather the population outside have herd immunity when I finally emerge.
 
Well, it's their choice to disregard the advice to stay in. If I'm going to have to spend weeks living off tinned food I'd rather the population outside have herd immunity when I finally emerge.

I hear you, but the one-size-fits-all approach is counterproductive. Our county has 32 cases, for 450,000 people. Yet the entire county, like the other 40 million residents of CA, has to "shelter-in-place". And do you believe people living on farms will "shelter-in-place"? No. They have work to do, and some farms are a distance away from any towns.

I see more people outside every day, walking by themselves, with family, or with friends. Saw someone sitting on a park bench.

In my opinion, limiting "sheltering-in-place" to only the hardest-hit areas could allow resources from "free" areas to arrive and help the beleaguered medical systems of the hardest-hit areas.
 
Well, the doctor says as many as 200,000 Americans could die of the ChiCom Flu.


Hmmm...over 600,000 Americans die every year of heart problems. Another 600,000 die of cancer. About 720,000 die of diabetes, falls at home, auto accidents, infections acquired at hospitals, suicide, and other stuff.


And the CDC says since 29 September 2019 there have been 39,000,000 cases of the "regular" flu, with 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 dead.



Taking all this into consideration, I fail to see why we need large-scale "shelter-in-places". Do this only for the areas with the most cases. These areas seem to be more apparent every day. Just go ahead and do it. Get the country going again. Pretty soon people will just start ignoring these orders anyway.

Yes people die every day. And yes heart disease and cancer, pneumonia, organ failure, accidents and violence, every hour, of every day.

But the overwhelming majority of us have either a basic level of immunity to the pathogens, and they are predictably survivable for the vast majority. Or people have their own personal risk factors for dying of heart disease. Cancer strikes like russian roulette, from a public health standpoint, unless cases show up in statistically significant numbers in a particular zone.

This thread has over a thousand pages of people describing, for better or for worse, protective measures that their jurisdictions are taking. While none of us except for a couple, are infectious disease experts, biochemists, pathologists or some other kind of specialized nerd, most folks seem to "get it" that this disease is deadly.

1171 pages of anger and doubt and frustration about how this has been managed. But NOBODY is enthusiastic right now about opening up all restrictions and letting people sicken and die for the sake of the almighty dollar. My level of enthusiasm is just about 0, when I think about the American worker being thrusted back into the workplace for non-essential business, because that is a death sentence for a significant portion of them.

It is all going to be fun and games, until you bring this virus home from grocery stores, and you or one of your kids or grandkids either become painfully ill, and recover with crap lung and kidney function, face a lifetime of reproductive sterility, or die. I am not sure what it will take, to get you to get on the same page, with the rest of the world.

People are NOT blowing off the stay at home orders, because they somehow got the memo, that this virus maims and kills and if it sickens enough people, there will be a mass trench dug outside of communities where they will start tossing bodies.

It is easy for you to sacrifice others for the sake of America #1 but others don't seem to be readily volunteering.

If you can't, at this point, take the concepts of "infectious disease" and "global pandemic" seriously, then go ahead and blow off the stay at home orders. In fact, book a trip on a cruise ship for you and your loved ones. Tickets are probably at an all time low. But first fly to New York or Miami, to port. That will get you out of this liberal-infested police state, California.

Cold war has been over for 30 years. This is a pandemic. Everybody is going to lose something. That is life.
 
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Yes people die every day. And yes heart disease and cancer, pneumonia, organ failure, accidents and violence, every hour, of every day.

But the overwhelming majority of us have either a basic level of immunity to the pathogens, and they are predictably survivable for the vast majority. Or people have their own personal risk factors for dying of heart disease. Cancer strikes like russian roulette, from a public health standpoint, unless cases show up in statistically significant numbers in a particular zone.

This thread has over a thousand pages of people describing, for better or for worse, protective measures that their jurisdictions are taking. While none of us except for a couple, are infectious disease experts, biochemists, pathologists or some other kind of specialized nerd, most folks seem to "get it" that this disease is deadly.

1171 pages of anger and doubt and frustration about how this has been managed. But NOBODY is enthusiastic right now about opening up all restrictions and letting people sicken and die for the sake of the almighty dollar. My level of enthusiasm is just about 0, when I think about the American worker being thrusted back into the workplace for non-essential business, because that is a death sentence for a significant portion of them.

It is all going to be fun and games, until you bring this virus home from grocery stores, and you or one of your kids or grandkids either become painfully ill, and recover with crap lung and kidney function, face a lifetime of reproductive sterility, or die. I am not sure what it will take, to get you to get on the same page, with the rest of the world.

People are NOT blowing off the stay at home orders, because they somehow got the memo, that this virus maims and kills and if it sickens enough people, there will be a mass trench dug outside of communities where they will start tossing bodies.

It is easy for you to sacrifice others for the sake of America #1 but others don't seem to be readily volunteering.

If you can't, at this point, take the concepts of "infectious disease" and "global pandemic" seriously, then go ahead and blow off the stay at home orders. In fact, book a trip on a cruise ship for you and your loved ones. Tickets are probably at an all time low. But first fly to New York or Miami, to port. That will get you out of this liberal-infested police state, California.

Cold war has been over for 30 years. This is a pandemic. Everybody is going to lose something. That is life.
Fuckin' DOOOOOOOOOM. Like, lol, calm down.
 
You doomers need a mug of warm tard cum and a hug from your moms.

Maybe from somebody else's mom ... my mom is kind of scary. Sorry.

It isn't a "doomer" thing. It is a common-sense thing.

I can't get into it any more, but if you take 10 minutes put of your day, to talk to a doctor, or read about the extreme measures that hospitals are taking, it is clear that this is a battle, and they are asking for us to cooperate, in order to minimize the damage.

The president even declared war on this germ, and he is using wartime priveliges, to force the hand of private business to make ventilators.

So why are some people on here labeled doomers, when they are simply obeying the law and keeping up with the news?
 
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Night news roundup. Still nothing too new. Virus is cleaving through residences still, which was to be expected to be honest, and that makes it look bleak but all megacities have seriously kept reducing number of infected and started ramping up recoveries without much complication so it seems we've crossed the bell curve despite all the dead grampas. So, as horrifying as it is, well, morale endures.

The check republic has given us aid, hell, they're the only ones who did it for real, while chink fucks grandstand about sending us material we paid for, plaster propaganda, and send us defective shit to boot, the checks just silently sent a plane full of aid with no labels or strings filled with real, good material. We won't forget that shit, that I can swear. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart.

Meanwhile the netherlands has had the fucking balls to claim spain and italy are being irresponsible for wasting too much money on ICUs, and Portugal, the fucks that historically have devoted their existence to fucking us over, have been the ones to call out the netherlands and defend us. I swear, this feels so fucking weird. Portugal is spain's enemy. That's as much of a historical constant as the fact that no one hates spain more than the spaniards, yet it seems Corona had managed to unify us Iberians in ways no one knew were possible. If by the end of this our flag looks like the Austro-Hungarian one but significantly gaudier I would honestly not be surprised anymore. Specially with the crown collapsing.

Corona has brought the best of many, and the worst of some. Macaronni, Merenguel and their bastard children are on the second group, seems everyone else in europe is in the first. Makes you think.

As for cadiz, nothing new under the sun and no news is good news, the guard stands proud.
 
Population density of Mumbai (Bombay) is 21,000 per square kilometer, or close to 48 square meters per person.
The thought makes me shudder.
I'm aware of that. What I'm asking is why isn't this study from French researchers, which looks to confirm what Trump said, not bigger news? A
Because it isn’t a miracle cure and as dog mongler said, there are flaws in the study. It’ll probably work for a subset of people at a certain point in the illness progression. The guy used a similar protocol for intracellular bacteria which is really niche stuff and it looks like they’ve used a similar protocol for what is clinically a different picture. Hydroxychloroquine can worsen certain cardiac issues and these patients hearts are already under strain. Even in times like these there are still rules to be followed about drugs and even more rules before you go from individual teams doing what they feel might help their individual patients to widespread recommendations. You can throw everything at one patient who is about to die but you can’t draw up any kind of standard of care based on that.
It’ll probably end up as a few different treatment protocols using different drug combos depending on the state of the patient.
Also the fucking media. They act like trump personally poured aquarium cleaner into some poor exceptional individual. They’re more bitter than quinine itself ...
 
Maybe from somebody else's mom ... my mom is kind of scary. Sorry.

It isn't a "doomer" thing. It is a common-sense thing.

I can't get into it any more, but if you take 10 minutes put of your day, to talk to a doctor, or read about the extreme measures that hospitals are taking, it is clear that this is a battle, and they are asking for us to cooperate, in order to minimize the damage.

The president even declared war on this germ, and he is using wartime priveliges, to force the hand of private business to make ventilators.

So why are some people on here labeled doomers, when they are simply obeying the law and keeping up with the news?
No, people get labeled a doomer when they go on about how you're gonna go shopping, bring virus home, and then everyone is going to get maimed for life or just die. As if it's a certainty. Also throw massive trench graves outside your house in there for good measure.

That is not simply obeying law and keeping current.

That's DOOOOOMER shit.
 
So why are some people on here labeled doomers, when they are simply obeying the law and keeping up with the news?
Because you are acting like this disease will LITERALLY END ALL OF HUMANITYZOMGWTFBBQ!!11!!!1!.

Look up the infectiousness and fatality rates of Smallpox. Then imagine how, for centuries, that disease ran rampant in humanity, wiping out royal families and peasants alike, how many died every year. Same with polio, and oh god measles. Or dont, because you'd give yourself a heart attack.

Corona pales in comparison to these olde contagions. Humanity will survive. The economy survived these plagues as well. Life will not end, hell it may not even permanently change, because of the coof. People who takes this seriously recognize this fact, and question the data from the abysmal testing countries like the US are presenting, because skepticism is healthy. They are nto questioning whether quarantine and flattening the curve work, rather they are questioning the proposed duration some of the talking heads are chanting for without data to back them up.

Doomers, like yourself, are convinced if we dont spend the next 18 months in our basements, entire countries will die and the survivors will be living in a fallout esque world. Which is just plain unrealistic. 200K might die of coronavirus, reminder that the spanish flu killed at least 600-700K Americans in 1919. Severe complications, like permanently reduced lung functionality or sterility, are unconfirmed hodge podge, with a smattering of superposed cases, the only "confirmations" are coming out of china (and need I say it? DO. NOT. TRUST. CHINA.). Pneumonia takes months to recover from, and the pneumonia corona causes is rather serious, so it will take likely 4-6 months for these serious cases to recover. The same thing happens with flu, and with coof it is a tiny, TINY percentage of total cases. Its not like tens of millions of people will be unable to breathe, this is nowhere near as serious as SARS was.

We will be fine, stop predicting the end of the known universe because of coofs.
 
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Maybe from somebody else's mom ... my mom is kind of scary. Sorry.

It isn't a "doomer" thing. It is a common-sense thing.

I can't get into it any more, but if you take 10 minutes put of your day, to talk to a doctor, or read about the extreme measures that hospitals are taking, it is clear that this is a battle, and they are asking for us to cooperate, in order to minimize the damage.

The president even declared war on this germ, and he is using wartime priveliges, to force the hand of private business to make ventilators.

So why are some people on here labeled doomers, when they are simply obeying the law and keeping up with the news?

Because they haven't had it yet. It's quite easy to pretend that this is all a bunch of nonsense and there's nothing to fear.

It doesn't seem real to a lot of people. It may not until they contract it and are overtaken by symptoms. There are young and healthy that are asymptomatic yes, but there is also young and healthy people having a bad reaction to the virus.
 
I hear you, but the one-size-fits-all approach is counterproductive. Our county has 32 cases, for 450,000 people. Yet the entire county, like the other 40 million residents of CA, has to "shelter-in-place". And do you believe people living on farms will "shelter-in-place"? No. They have work to do, and some farms are a distance away from any towns.

I see more people outside every day, walking by themselves, with family, or with friends. Saw someone sitting on a park bench.

In my opinion, limiting "sheltering-in-place" to only the hardest-hit areas could allow resources from "free" areas to arrive and help the beleaguered medical systems of the hardest-hit areas.

Unfortunately, friend, This virus IS apparently so bad that if you walk into the hospital off the street, you are considered more or less contaminated. I am repeating what my doctor told me. I ain't making this shit up. So you get ONE visit, and your guest can not return because s/he is more or less like a "small pox blanket." Every time you leave and come back you are bringing in another set of germs. Doc did not use that metaphor but basically that is what it boils down to.

So as far as areas that are less "hard hit" the only way to keep them that way, is to keep people separated, given that we have no native resistance to this strain. Unless of course you have the stomach to count bodies before they truck them out of town for burial or cremation. And tell their relatives and children that it was necessary for the sake of the economy. You can be the guy.

My prediction: things are going to get bad for a while. And they will get better, then there will be a second die off, then it will get better, them a third ... they will get better but we will hobble along for a while and that is something that is going to happen, whether or not you accept it, that is a different story.
 
Unfortunately, friend, This virus IS apparently so bad that if you walk into the hospital off the street, you are considered more or less contaminated. I am repeating what my doctor told me. I ain't making this shit up. So you get ONE visit, and your guest can not return because s/he is more or less like a "small pox blanket." Every time you leave and come back you are bringing in another set of germs. Doc did not use that metaphor but basically that is what it boils down to.

So as far as areas that are less "hard hit" the only way to keep them that way, is to keep people separated, given that we have no native resistance to this strain. Unless of course you have the stomach to count bodies before they truck them out of town for burial or cremation. And tell their relatives and children that it was necessary for the sake of the economy. You can be the guy.

My prediction: things are going to get bad for a while. And they will get better, then there will be a second die off, then it will get better, them a third ... they will get better but we will hobble along for a while and that is something that is going to happen, whether or not you accept it, that is a different story.

M-O-O-N. That spells doomer. My laws!
 
Why no more lentils... ever?
Lentils are an aphrodisiac. To prevent overpopulation, they've been banned. Expect a black market for the Devil's beans.

Dying Light's devs are going to donate some money.


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