Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Sweetpeaa]

Because you are acting like this disease will LITERALLY END ALL OF HUMANITYZOMGWTFBBQ!!11!!!1!.

Look up the infectiousness and fatality rates of Smallpox. Then imagine how, for centuries, that disease ran rampant in humanity, wiping out royal families and peasants alike, how many died every year. Same with polio, and oh god measles. Or dont, because you'd give yourself a heart attack.

Corona pales in comparison to these olde contagions. Humanity will survive. The economy survived these plagues as well. Life will not end, hell it may not even permanently change, because of the coof. People who takes this seriously recognize this fact, and question the data from the abysmal testing countries like the US are presenting, because skepticism is healthy.

Doomers, like yourself, are convinced if we dont spend the next 18 months in our basements, entire countries will die and the survivors will be living in a fallout esque world. Which is just plain unrealistic. 200K might die of coronavirus, reminder that the spanish flu killed at least 600-700K Americans in 1919.

We will be fine, stop predicting the end of the known universe because of coofs.

It's not contagious to a measles or smallpox level. You can be infected by Measles from someone a hundred feet away. Covid can't do that yet. But the virus is not in it's full form. There's a second wave coming and we don't know how it's going to mutate. With SARS in the past the virus did NOT end up mutating like what was proposed (otherwise it would have been a lot worse) despite no vaccine ever being created. Hopefully the same goes for Covid.

 

[It's HK-47]

My favorite part is how all the doomer models are completely ignoring both the "recovered" statistics and the number of people who get infected and never even have to bother to become a recorded infection because their symptoms are so mild. The actual number of infections are probably three or four times higher than what we see on paper, but because they never bother to march down to the hospital because all they get is the sniffles and a fever, it doesn't go into the record.

They act like contracting this thing has a 100% chance to kill you.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

God this site becomes more like Reddit everyday. DOOOOOMER predictions and personal blogging. "I talked to a doctor!" "My significant other is a nurse!". I'd be fine with it if my day at work wasn't the same.

Try to come here to laugh at stupid shit and it's all just the same.

Just for good measure: DOOOOOOOOOM!

 

[Mr Foster]

Unfortunately, friend, This virus IS apparently so bad that if you walk into the hospital off the street, you are considered more or less contaminated. I am repeating what my doctor told me. I ain't making this shit up. So you get ONE visit, and your guest can not return because s/he is more or less like a "small pox blanket." Every time you leave and come back you are bringing in another set of germs. Doc did not use that metaphor but basically that is what it boils down to.

So as far as areas that are less "hard hit" the only way to keep them that way, is to keep people separated, given that we have no native resistance to this strain. Unless of course you have the stomach to count bodies before they truck them out of town for burial or cremation. And tell their relatives and children that it was necessary for the sake of the economy. You can be the guy.

My prediction: things are going to get bad for a while. And they will get better, then there will be a second die off, then it will get better, them a third ... they will get better but we will hobble along for a while and that is something that is going to happen, whether or not you accept it, that is a different story.

It seems like you are letting your own catastrophic thinking dictate the tone of your posts, and how you are absorbing information.

We get it, you are riddled with anxiety, like most people.

But, pontificating on how this is going to kill everyone and end the world is not only exhausting, it's unhelpful. Try and divorce your own feelings from the information you are taking in.

Also take a break from obsessing about it, it's not good for anyone and solves nothing.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Well, it's their choice to disregard the advice to stay in. If I'm going to have to spend weeks living off tinned food I'd rather the population outside have herd immunity when I finally emerge.

Hear. Hear.

I hear you, but the one-size-fits-all approach is counterproductive. Our county has 32 cases, for 450,000 people. Yet the entire county, like the other 40 million residents of CA, has to "shelter-in-place". And do you believe people living on farms will "shelter-in-place"? No. They have work to do, and some farms are a distance away from any towns.
I see more people outside every day, walking by themselves, with family, or with friends. Saw someone sitting on a park bench.
In my opinion, limiting "sheltering-in-place" to only the hardest-hit areas could allow resources from "free" areas to arrive and help the beleaguered medical systems of the hardest-hit areas.

Neuron bomb London. All the problems solved

Because you are acting like this disease will LITERALLY END ALL OF HUMANITYZOMGWTFBBQ!!11!!!1!.

Look up the infectiousness and fatality rates of Smallpox. Then imagine how, for centuries, that disease ran rampant in humanity, wiping out royal families and peasants alike, how many died every year. Same with polio, and oh god measles. Or dont, because you'd give yourself a heart attack.

Corona pales in comparison to these olde contagions. Humanity will survive. The economy survived these plagues as well. Life will not end, hell it may not even permanently change, because of the coof. People who takes this seriously recognize this fact, and question the data from the abysmal testing countries like the US are presenting, because skepticism is healthy. They are nto questioning whether quarantine and flattening the curve work, rather they are questioning the proposed duration some of the talking heads are chanting for without data to back them up.

Doomers, like yourself, are convinced if we dont spend the next 18 months in our basements, entire countries will die and the survivors will be living in a fallout esque world. Which is just plain unrealistic. 200K might die of coronavirus, reminder that the spanish flu killed at least 600-700K Americans in 1919. Severe complications, like permanently reduced lung functionality or sterility, are unconfirmed hodge podge, with a smattering of superposed cases, the only "confirmations" are coming out of china (and need I say it? DO. NOT. TRUST. CHINA.). Pneumonia takes months to recover from, and the pneumonia corona causes is rather serious, so it will take likely 4-6 months for these serious cases to recover. The same thing happens with flu, and with coof it is a tiny, TINY percentage of total cases. Its not like tens of millions of people will be unable to breathe, this is nowhere near as serious as SARS was.

We will be fine, stop predicting the end of the known universe because of coofs.

Fuck you, I'd be ok with you personally croaking.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

FOR DOOM THE BELL TOLLS

 

[DNA_JACKED]

It's not contagious to a measles or smallpox level. You can be infected by Measles from someone a hundred feet away. Covid can't do that yet. But the virus is not in it's full form. There's a second wave coming and we don't know how it's going to mutate. With SARS in the past the virus did NOT end up mutating like what was proposed (otherwise it would have been a lot worse) despite no vaccine ever being created. Hopefully the same goes for Covid.

That is a lot of certainties with no hard evidence to back them up. How do you know that a second, even deadlier wave is coming? Are we going off of china's reports again? How do you know this isnt already the second wave, that the bizarre cold-that-is-not-a-cold that was spreading from october on wasnt wave 1?

On the subject of mutations: disease gravitate towards a happy medium that is more infectious but less lethal. Look at swine flu, in 10 years H1N1 went from killing 60K Americans a year to being only one of several strains that killed 6500. We know, from decades of modern medicine, that a more infectious but less deadly strain will eventually muscle out the more serious strains, unless in the presence of artificial factors. SARS didnt mutate because we FUCKING KILLED IT. The disease was unable to achieve widespread infections, cutting its lifespan short. Hell, Corona is being considered SARS 2, and its WAY less lethal then SARS 1 was. Spanish flu only became more deadly thanks to prolonged exposure to an artificial mutagen, mustard gas, in the trenches of WW1, and became so aggressive it burned itself out int he wild for over 80 years until it made the jump from animal to human again. Antibiotic resistant bacteria continue to exist if medication is used, these resistant strains require more energy, and over time, if no medication is used, the resistant strains will begin to die off in favor of more infectious non resistant strains that can outproduce the resistant strains on limited resources (this is how cattle are treated now, the ones infected with resistant strains are allowed to die separate from the herd to contain spread rather then using antibiotics so more resistance doesnt grow.) Obviously you cant do that in humans, not without being EXTREMELY problematic, so the persistent strains persist and drive new innovations like copper touching surfaces and the use of UV sterilization.

Evolution, especially for viruses, is a giant numbers game, and the more infectious but less lethal strains will continue to spread faster and become less deadly until they hit a level where they get so mild they cant spread without the immune system killing them first, thus you find your baseline for how aggressive the disease will typically be. Corona will become less deadly over time, especially as social distancing and quarantine will favor easier to catch but less deadly strains.

Hear. Hear.

Neuron bomb London. All the problems solved

Fuck you, I'd be ok with you personally croaking.

lolcalmdown

 

[Non-Expert!]

No, people get labeled a doomer when they go on about how you're gonna go shopping, bring virus home, and then everyone is going to get maimed for life or just die. As if it's a certainty. Also throw massive trench graves outside your house in there for good measure.

That is not simply obeying law and keeping current.

That's DOOOOOMER shit.

Did I say that death for any individual is a certainty?

No, I did not. Nothing is certain, for individual survival. But statistics are there.

I also mentioned mass graves. Not in the backyard though. For more information, watch some videos posted on this very forum, of hard hit areas, and how this is being handled.

Taking a daily run to a grocery store, right now, and browsing is simply foolishness. And that IS how you get infected.

 

[Kornheiser]

Since New Yorkers are getting banned for other states, why are they complaining to the feds and not their local officials? Why do the feds have to do everything now when it used to be the states asked for compensation from the feds when the disaster ended?

 

[Muttnik]

Taking a daily run to a grocery store, right now, and browsing is simply foolishness. And that IS how you get infected.

That honestly depends on the area. My area has had a few small-number infections but we've been going to the store for weeks to get supplies and nothing so far. That's a stupid assumption and even though I'm always extremely cautious, I don't doubt that sanitation is a top priority for stores all over the county. If my immune-compromised father is still going there to get meat and coming back completely fine and healthy days and weeks afterwards, I'd say that you're once again doomposting.

 

[Noideawhattopick]

It's time for Rice War. Exterminate the CCP

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Beijing faces a "reckoning" once the COVID-19 crisis is over.

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[jje100010001]

So uh, following on the news that tons of Chinese testing kits in Europe aren't working, that the CCP ordered its corporate wings to fly back medical supplies in January, and in light of the CCP's huge PR campaign...

Yeah I know it's Jennifer Zeng- but still, there's so much petty arrogance starting to bubble up, that it makes you question if the CCP is acting in good-faith.

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1244100383007477761 (Archive)

 

[No_one]

FOR DOOM THE BELL TOLLS

Heh, actually I went to see them live in February, the last concert before the plague hit. Bought a nice t-shirt, perfect for these times.

 

[Otterly]

It’s fascinating how different people have such different (or no) symptoms. You can easily conceptualise how people might suffer a little differently but for an infection to be totally asymptomatic in one person and catastrophic in another, even if they’re two healthy young people, is really interesting. But flu is the same. I dont think anyone’s ever really pinned down the exact percentages but flu also has people who can carry and spread without any symptoms at all. Not just down to age, or anything observable, so down to individual differences in immune systems. Most diseases are probably similar to some degree. norovirus for example - some people are really resistant.
I had a quick poke around to find numbers on asymptomatic carriers of flu but the answer is ‘some, not sure how many.’

The fraction of influenza virus infections that are asymptomatic: a systematic review and meta-analysis

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archived 25 Feb 2020 01:39:47 UTC

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there doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as much research on this as there should be. I think we’ve got so complacent about infectious disease in the west. I foresee a big expansion in certain research areas after this.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I'm on lockdown. My immuno-compromised friend across town is married to a nurse treating Corona patients. Because she's compromised, they feel it's safer for him to do the grocery shopping.... The grocery store is now contaminated. Everyone shops at the grocery store. Your mail carrier is now contaminated... the kid who delivers your groceries is now contaminated.... You get my drift.

At some point you just have to do your best, live your life, and accept that dying is a risk for all of us.

 

[Non-Expert!]

It seems like you are letting your own catastrophic thinking dictate the tone of your posts, and how you are absorbing information.

We get it, you are riddled with anxiety, like most people.

But, pontificating on how this is going to kill everyone and end the world is not only exhausting, it's unhelpful. Try and divorce your own feelings from the information you are taking in.

Also take a break from obsessing about it, it's not good for anyone and solves nothing.

Totally misunderstand me. But that is part of posting on an anonymous forum.

Who is pontificating about how this is going to kill everyone and be the end of the world? Not one person has said that. Not a single one.

And lots of people are saying that this is bad. That this is an uncharted territory. Experts in the field, governors, heads of state.

No we aren't all gonna die. Most of us will, in fact survive. Nobody has said any different.

 

[Muttnik]

Who is pontificating about how this is going to kill everyone and be the end of the world? Not one person has said that. Not a single one.

I think Menotaur and DrainTodger would like to have a word with you.

 

[FatalTater]

All this doomsaying and not one mention of zombies. tsk.

 

[Aib Ld]

Most likely late again, thread is moving fast by doomers.

Video about some guy from the WHO avoiding questions about China and Taiwan
Chinese propaganda, once again China saying the world deserves to be below it for helping 'cull' the virus

EDIT: Nvm already archived and posted before

 

[Not Really Here]

Most likely late again, thread is moving fast by doomers.

Video about some guy from the WHO avoiding questions about China and Taiwan
Chinese propaganda, once again China saying the world deserves to be below it for helping 'cull' the virus

Will edit with archives of videos.

Already posted and archived yesterday.