Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Allanon]

Louisiana pastor says he'll keep violating coronavirus ban

Louisiana pastor says he'll keep violating coronavirus ban

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - A Louisiana pastor charged with six misdemeanors for holding church services in violation of a ban put in place to control the coronavirus said Tuesday that he would continue to ignore the ban because God told him to. Pastor Tony Spell was issued a summons Tuesday for...

www.myjournalcourier.com

http://archive.li/dfGxY

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — A Louisiana pastor charged with six misdemeanors for holding church services in violation of a ban put in place to control the coronavirus said Tuesday that he would continue to ignore the ban because God told him to.
Pastor Tony Spell was issued a summons Tuesday for holding services at the Life Tabernacle church in the city of Central in violation of an order from Gov. John Bel Edwards prohibiting gatherings of more than 10 people, said East Baton Rouge Parish District Attorney Hillar Moore. Each violation carries a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a $500 fine, Moore said.

Good for him. You don't have rights if you don't stand up for them in the face of jailtime. It doesn't matter whether he's right or not in holding the services, only that it's his right to hold them and the right of those attending them to attend.

 

[RodgerDodger]

It is significantly "worse" than the seasonal flu.

I want to be optimistic too, as I am surrounded by shuttered businesses, bread lines, face masks, and restaurants with "free meals for kids" and "open for takeout" graffitied all over the windows. I want to think it is all hype, then I hear about prisoners digging mass graves in New York. Is this just a rumor?

It is good to get out of the house. Even if it is to dig mass graves.

There is a case in the news about a choir practice (I posted about it earlier) in which 60 showed up, spread apart per social distancing, 45 became symptomatic with Corona, 2 died.

Even in the worst of Flu season, have you ever gone to an event in which 45/60 got very sick, and 2 died?

Police are harassing you because this thing is very contagious. And all of this is as depressing as fuck.

You guys give me something to look forward to. A little ray of hope, it will get better. It has to.

We’ve heard rumors of Secret Mass Graves on 3 or 4 continents now. Mostly from conspiracy nuts. Yet somehow in our digital interconnected world where every single person carries a camera 24x7 we have no actual evidence anywhere. We have rumors of 21 million dead in China, but even in China the public’s gonna notice that sort of thing. Even the infamous “Iranian Mass Grave Satelite Photos” that the WaPo ran with turned out to be Five Years old and nothing of the sort. And we know they were digging hundreds of documented graves. (Speaking of which has anybody checked in on the Iranians lately? Are they all dead yet?) And Prisoners digging mass graves in New York. Do you think nobody’s gonna notice that?

 

[mindlessobserver]

Iran has gone really quiet lately. It's a bit eerie tbqh.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

And Prisoners digging mass graves in New York.

Prisoners have been digging graves on Hart Island for decades. It's the Potter's Field of NYC.

 

[Exbein]

flipland updates as of March 31, 2020

 

[Non-Expert!]

We’ve heard rumors of Secret Mass Graves on 3 or 4 continents now. Mostly from conspiracy nuts. Yet somehow in our digital interconnected world where every single person carries a camera 24x7 we have no actual evidence anywhere. We have rumors of 21 million dead in China, but even in China the public’s gonna notice that sort of thing. Even the infamous “Iranian Mass Grave Satelite Photos” that the WaPo ran with turned out to be Five Years old and nothing of the sort. And we know they were digging hundreds of documented graves. (Speaking of which has anybody checked in on the Iranians lately? Are they all dead yet?) And Prisoners digging mass graves in New York. Do you think nobody’s gonna notice that?

Rikers Island Prisoners Being Offered PPE and $6 an Hour to Dig Mass …

archived 31 Mar 2020 16:26:32 UTC

archive.li

Iran coronavirus: Satellite images show Tehran building vast burial t…

archived 1 Apr 2020 02:21:56 UTC

archive.li

Is this the 5 year old picture you mention?

Honestly, mass graves are a fact of life. There is nothing scandalous about them. They become horrific when you have civil wars, pandemics, etc. When you have more dead than the local mortuary industry can process in a timely manner, you take a backhoe or bulldozer and dig a mass grave. This isn't the kind of thing they need to hide.

It is just that in this country, we have been fortunate enough to not have had that type of tragedy in recent memory, that necessitates such a measure.

 

[Radical Cadre]

So apparently, a Chinese Biologist was caught trying to sneak SARS into the USA, according to the Sun:



Fuck China? Fuck China.

I really, really don't want this stuff to be true. The implications of such actions are devastating to think about and the result will be a terrible war.

 

[BeboRefugee]

How is Germany's death to confirmed cases ratio so low compared to other European countries?

Apparently, they're cataloging deaths of people with pre-existing conditions dying from those conditions rather than coronavrius.

Looks jammy, but locally somebody died of coronavirus who in January had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, so in cases like that I can sort of see the rationale

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Dunno if this was asked in the last 1200+ pages, but could the chronic panic-induced stress be contributing to how America is being hit harder than (a number of) other Western nations (weakened immunity)? It shouldn't be a surprise if that's true.

 

[jje100010001]

I really, really don't want this stuff to be true. The implications of such actions are devastating to think about and the result will be a terrible war.

We already are in an ideological world war, and the early stages of a hybrid war.

Just because China doesn’t openly declare war on the US doesn’t mean it doesn’t consider the US an enemy.

The only difference is that while they were able to keep up appearances before, the mask has slipped in the last year or so due to the CCP‘s petty arrogance and that their behaviour is far more hostile now.

Apparently, they're cataloging deaths of people with pre-existing conditions dying from those conditions rather than coronavrius.

Looks jammy, but locally somebody died of coronavirus who in January had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, so in cases like that I can sort of see the rationale

Definitely an on-going issue as governments are weighing comorbidities differently (i.e. using them to supress the real death toll), and this ends up throwing the lethality rate out of wack. I’m surprised that the WHO hasn’t gotten in front of this.

This means that it’s hard to choose the appropriate quarantine measures/length (is it just a more deadly flu or is it Black Death 2.0?).

Dunno if this was asked in the last 1200+ pages, but could the chronic panic-induced stress be contributing to how America is being hit harder than (a number of) other Western nations (weakened immunity)? It shouldn't be a surprise if that's true.

I think it's largely because the US is testing more, meaning that it's catching more cases out of the general population- the US's far lower in the per capita counts.

I might counter that immune systems in China and the Po Valley are likely as equally comprised, if not more due to the environmental conditions.

 

[New & Improved Username]

 

[RodgerDodger]

Rikers Island Prisoners Being Offered PPE and $6 an Hour to Dig Mass …

archived 31 Mar 2020 16:26:32 UTC

archive.li

Iran coronavirus: Satellite images show Tehran building vast burial t…

archived 1 Apr 2020 02:21:56 UTC

archive.li

Is this the 5 year old picture you mention?

Honestly, mass graves are a fact of life. There is nothing scandalous about them. They become horrific when you have civil wars, pandemics, etc. When you have more dead than the local mortuary industry can process in a timely manner, you take a backhoe or bulldozer and dig a mass grave. This isn't the kind of thing they need to hide.

It is just that in this country, we have been fortunate enough to not have had that type of tragedy in recent memory, that necessitates such a measure.

Yes that's the photo. It's once again fake news. Clever observers matched it to years old Google Earth photos.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

I really, really don't want this stuff to be true. The implications of such actions are devastating to think about and the result will be a terrible war.

Not to go full Team America here, but in the case of a conventional war, China is fucked. They will avoid that at all costs.

Spoiler: Logistics are fun

The pacific ocean is Big. REALLY BIG. China's navy is nowhere near as capable as the US navy, hell their only two aircraft carriers are A.) a russian carrier that is the brother of the one that caught fire after hitting an iceberg, and B.) a Chinese hackjob of such atrocious proportions that it has a fucking RAMP. The type of thing that the west stopped using after the very first generation of carriers.

Then there's the military training. Even if you can copy the technology (they havent) and can build it (they cant) and supply it (they REALLY cant) you cant copy decades of experience and training. The Chinese navy has 0 experience actually using their ramshackle carriers, which leaves them with practically 0 mobile airbase power.

In the event of an all out war, the chinese navy would be at the mercy of US carrier fleets. A single US carrier fleet would likely have 0 issue wiping out the majority of chinese ships. Sure, the chinese could hypothetically win a war of attrition, but only if they can get their soldiers to the field, which you cant do without a navy. Other posters months back broke down all the other ways the chinese military would fall apart, from insufficient supply lines to inadequate nutrition and training. The US is one of the few nations that can be completely self-supporting, China imports a massive amount of food, especially from the US, so int he event of any prolonged conflict the chinese would run out of food quickly.

I wouldnt worry about a full out war anyway. Much more likely the governments of the world will isolate china from all economic activites and utterly crush their economy. That's the problem with being the world's factory, if the world decides they dont want you anymore, you have 0 recourse, and without all that western investment, the Chinese system will utterly collapse. Even without full collapse the most likely war would be a chinese civil war, if any shooting war would start.

 

[Blop]

Classic Washington State. Official numbers haven’t been updated since Sunday.

Flood of coronavirus data overwhelms state’s disease-reporting system, leading to lag in data

Fore more than a week, problems have persisted with the Washington Department of Health's public reporting of statewide coronavirus case numbers. Officials say they're trying to address the problems to provide the public with accurate and timely data.

www.seattletimes.com

Flood of coronavirus data overwhelms state’s disease-reporting system…

archived 1 Apr 2020 03:20:09 UTC

archive.li

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

I just realized the joke was that you see his hand pop up into frame holding the donut and realize that he'd just got a blow job.

 

[General Tug Boat]

Iran has gone really quiet lately. It's a bit eerie tbqh.

Don't worry they'll be back to fucking their cousins and firing bottle rockets in dreidel-land soon enough.

Not to go full Team America here, but in the case of a conventional war, China is fucked. They will avoid that at all costs.

Spoiler: Logistics are fun

The pacific ocean is Big. REALLY BIG. China's navy is nowhere near as capable as the US navy, hell their only two aircraft carriers are A.) a russian carrier that is the brother of the one that caught fire after hitting an iceberg, and B.) a Chinese hackjob of such atrocious proportions that it has a fucking RAMP. The type of thing that the west stopped using after the very first generation of carriers.

Then there's the military training. Even if you can copy the technology (they havent) and can build it (they cant) and supply it (they REALLY cant) you cant copy decades of experience and training. The Chinese navy has 0 experience actually using their ramshackle carriers, which leaves them with practically 0 mobile airbase power.

In the event of an all out war, the chinese navy would be at the mercy of US carrier fleets. A single US carrier fleet would likely have 0 issue wiping out the majority of chinese ships. Sure, the chinese could hypothetically win a war of attrition, but only if they can get their soldiers to the field, which you cant do without a navy. Other posters months back broke down all the other ways the chinese military would fall apart, from insufficient supply lines to inadequate nutrition and training. The US is one of the few nations that can be completely self-supporting, China imports a massive amount of food, especially from the US, so int he event of any prolonged conflict the chinese would run out of food quickly.

I wouldnt worry about a full out war anyway. Much more likely the governments of the world will isolate china from all economic activites and utterly crush their economy. That's the problem with being the world's factory, if the world decides they dont want you anymore, you have 0 recourse, and without all that western investment, the Chinese system will utterly collapse. Even without full collapse the most likely war would be a chinese civil war, if any shooting war would start.

I agree with this statement 100%, very likely as we are all watching unfold on this forum from the various leaks over the last couple of months behind the great cyber wall the CPP is losing the ideological war with their own people. More than likely the issues with their neighboring provinces over the last several years is finally brewing over into the more CPP dominated provinces. The way they handled their quarantine, and how they've totally just dropped the ball with this virus has alienated them more than ever in the eyes of the international community.
In the age of information Chairman Maos China and the ideal of Marxism in general is in it's dying days. This virus in my observation was their last push to try to assert their dominance over the Western powers. I don't think their allies in the BRIC are very happy about how the virus has spilled over in their lands as well. The United States military and NATO in general are logistically more equipped, as well better trained for a war-time scenario.
Firing hellfire missiles in the dessert are just for target practice and good old fun in Burgerland anyways. The amount of bases around the world with American troops alone should intimidate the fuck out of China logistically. Though I doubt it would be a war of bullets and bombs, but a war of words, and as well an economic war. Trump doesn't seem like he is eager to be entering a World War type of scenario anyways, the chicken hawks have been disregarded in his administration very early on. A new prosperous Nationalist America and a stronger west will hopefully be the result of this awful nightmare we are all living right now.

 

[Without A Gout]

NYT journalist Jonathan Martin gets questioned about why he's repeating lies, tells epidemiologist to shut up, gets ratioed beautifully.
View attachment 1210679

https://archive.li/QRMkL

I haven't seen such a ratio in a long time. You have to have a special talent to get that much backlash.

Iran has gone really quiet lately. It's a bit eerie tbqh.

If I were to guess, the government is trying to keep it hush hush over there. They've been reporting ~2,500 cases and ~150 deaths every day for about a week. Flat increases. No curve up or down whatsoever.

Even the twitter account I follow is at a loss for the silence (although he's mentioning prison riots in the country. Escalating over the past few days).

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“China's National Health Commission says it will start reporting asymptomatic cases of coronavirus. At least 1,541 new cases have been disclosed so far https://t.co/47MXF0XUJ0”

twitter.com

Also China is finally reporting asymptomatic carriers. So far, they're counting a little over 1,500 people, but who the hell knows how many are still out there.

Archive.

And here's some rather horrifying news from a naval ship off the coast of Guam. Hundreds of sailors are infected with the Wuhan bug and the captain is begging the navy to get them off the ship to spare the others from infection.

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier docked in Guam with more than 100 coronavirus-infected sailors aboard pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for more resources. Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, says the entire crew of more than 4,000 should be isolated to avoid possible...

www.sfchronicle.com

Archive.

 

[Jimothy]

So apparently, a Chinese Biologist was caught trying to sneak SARS into the USA, according to the Sun:



Fuck China? Fuck China.

We need to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

 

[Radical Cadre]

I think it's largely because the US is testing more, meaning that it's catching more cases out of the general population- the US's far lower in the per capita counts.

I might counter that immune systems in China and the Po Valley are likely as equally comprised, if not more due to the environmental conditions.

I expect other nations (friendly and otherwise) will use the US' "high score" as cover as well. While the United States has been ramping up testing and generally trying to do things correctly (albeit with some delay), governments that have fewer eyes watching them have been discontinuing testing regimens.

 

[jje100010001]

I agree with this statement 100%, very likely as we are all watching unfold on this forum from the various leaks over the last couple of months behind the great cyber wall the CPP is losing the ideological war with their own people. More than likely the issues with their neighboring provinces over the last several years is finally brewing over into the more CPP dominated provinces. The way they handled their quarantine, and how they've totally just dropped the ball with this virus has alienated them more than ever in the eyes of the international community.
In the age of information Chairman Maos China and the ideal of Marxism in general is in it's dying days. This virus in my observation was their last push to try to assert their dominance over the Western powers. I don't think their allies in the BRIC are very happy about how the virus has spilled over in their lands as well. The United States military and NATO in general are logistically more equipped, as well better trained for a war-time scenario.
Firing hellfire missiles in the dessert are just for target practice and good old fun in Burgerland anyways. The amount of bases around the world with American troops alone should intimidate the fuck out of China logistically. Though I doubt it would be a war of bullets and bombs, but a war of words, and as well an economic war. Trump doesn't seem like he is eager to be entering a World War type of scenario anyways, the chicken hawks have been disregarded in his administration very early on. A new prosperous Nationalist America and a stronger west will hopefully be the result of this awful nightmare we are all living right now.

My take:

China must fundamentally grow out of its middle-income economy in the next decade or so, or else it'll get trapped there forever due to its demographics and debt bubbles. The pact between the CCP and the Chinese citizenry has always been that in exchange for economic growth and improvements in standards of living, the citizenry would turn a blind eye to the CCP's abuses- but if the CCP can't deliver on what it promised, the country's stability is at stake. (whether the citizenry will realize this before the government gains too much power is another question).

Hence projects like Made in China 2025, which aim to create a high-tech platform for China (incidentally, the targeted Made in China 2025 factories were exempt from closing during China's quarantines). This means that it has to fundamentally get technologically ahead of the West.

Some more information by another user here:
https://imgur.com/gallery/pdCsSOQ (Archive)

How? Technological theft on a mass scale (in universities and corporations), huge government subsidies to suffocate global competition (i.e. to Huawei), corporate takeovers (to lock down patents), and finally Huawei as a communications backdoor (which itself was created out of stolen Nortel/Bell patents).

A second element involves breaking out of the US's Pacific encirclement and gaining resource independence (through economic colonization), which is why they're so intent on the Belt-Road-Initiative (debt traps resulting in Chinese control of ports and infrastructure), bribing poor Pacific Island nations, and grabbing the whole South China Seas. These will allow China to construct a series of military bases to break through the US's shield.

Trump has really put a wrench in their plans, and their biggest threat is that they can't continue their extractive relationship with the US and its allies.

I am a bit more pessimistic about a potential war- the CCP will do everything to avoid the war and instead weaken the US from the inside, and they already have their collaborators in government, academia and the think-tanks. Beware the China doves who call for more trade with China and the resumption of normal relationships!

The US is already in the early stages of a hybrid war with China, and they're probably aiming to get Trump out in 2020, while accelerating their plans.