Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Salty Boris]

I think most people here would agree that talking shit about a normal GFM & threatening to report it isn't the same kind of attack as talking shit about a GFM with a legalized backing.
I know for a fact it wasn't attacked. So did Nick. What Nick said about the GFM not being under attack applies to that time frame & anything before it. It's literally the reason why they gave it a legal backing.
The gist of blowing it out if proportion was so people would donate more money to the GFM if certain people said that it's under attack because Nick got suspended.
It was a lame attempt (in my opinion at least) at shilling.
What IS beautiful about this though is that months later we did in fact get to the 250K mark on Nick's stream and we shilled it HONESTLY. I'm proud of that.
So yeah, I think our understanding of what defines an attack is different.

Nick has talked about this on stream more than once. He’s acknowledged that people have probably reported the GFM but has said GFM never contacted him about it which means in my opinion the GFM was never in danger. GFM began refunding joke names who donated later on almost certainly due to somebody complaining, this is the extent of any attack on the GFM. Yet another KV failed op.

Nontransferable showed screens from a discord in February where they apparently had a channel dedicated to gay ops against the GFM. It did not succeed.

The video covers a timetable in late April where some ISWV youtubers wanted to promote the idea that the GFM was under attack to try to increase traffic and donations after Rekieta got suspended from Twitter. Tug even made a video implying they got Rekieta deplatformed as a means of attacking the GFM.

KICKVIC ATTACKING Vic Mignogna's GoFundMe: Is THAT Why REKIETA LAW And Others Are ATTACKED?

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I’m not going to go rewatch Nick streams but he talked about this on stream at the end of April. This is what I did find.

 

[Dopey Cunt]

You're pretty spot on except HH knew about it too. My issue with him was that he held a Livestream (monetized btw) about my back and forth with Ghostshellzen. I didn't know about it, he never even asked if he could or for my input on what was going on.
A friend called me and said yo Hero's talking about you on a stream.
So I tune in & the entire time he's acting like he doesn't know why I'm upset with anyone. I show up in his live chat and he goes "oh hey emosh was just about to DM you to see if you wanted to hop on tomorrow to talk about this." I said yes.
Long story short. That never happened.

So for about a month or so I got flack while they profited. So I dropped making content on the Vic stuff. I'm just not into dealing with folks who bury other people for some subs or whatever.

I still keep tabs on what's going on and as some of you have probably seen I only come on when I'm needed.

Okay, thanks for clarifying things, I appreciate it. Kind of hard to piece things together when a lot of different people besides those actually involved are saying something.
Shame though about why you left but in the long run it's probably better for your mental health and well being. It's sad, but the reality is people have no problem throwing others to the wolves if it means they profit from it. It's been done since the beginning and this whole lawsuit is no exception from both sides. Hope you've been doing good and taking care of yourself.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

look who came out of his dead channel.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

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look who came out of his dead channel.

Senpai is legit worse than anything Perfection or TUG did now. Fuck this clout chasing chaos seeker.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

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look who came out of his dead channel.

Hello, Kettle.

 

[Salty Boris]

Ok so I changed my mind and decided to look in on Rekieta’s old videos. In this video he speaks about the controversy surrounding Emosh and GhostShellZen. The time frame is from 34:20-40:40. He actually talks about the GFM from the 15 minute mark but in there he reads a bunch of 20 dollar super chats. At the time it was not public knowledge that this was a dispute between the ISWV youtubers. We only find that out later on. Give it a listen if you’re so inclined.

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[Lone Outsider]

Senpai is legit worse than anything Perfection or TUG did now. Fuck this clout chasing chaos seeker.

Senpai is someone that just wants clout at this point, he's a rat that needs to get stomped whenever he's getting too big because he will kiss peoples asses until he thinks his big enough to throw them to the way side. Even TUG that degenerate is mad that he backstabbed him.

 

[Hallstein995]

Simple, it's like with every seasonal line-up: Only a few shows ever get popular at a time, but then they start dropping off people's radars after another season or two. If a show doesn't have long-term exposure like MHA or Black Clover, people aren't going to remember them unless the show does something fantastic. Like you'll still hear people bring up Death Parade years after the fact because it's original, had a kick-ass OP that people memed basically to death (ha!), and people remember when shows made them cry, but interestingly, the dub doesn't come up in discussion. In fact, you bring up a good point because I really haven't heard people talking about Fruits Basket when it comes to the dub, when I can guarantee you most of the audience who saw the original 2001 anime saw it dubbed. Like... Funimation managed to bring back a lot of the original voice-actors, but apparently that wasn't enough to get people to watch it dubbed because the sub was available easily first for three episodes.

I think it's worth mentioning that dubs only get brought up if they're excellent, or if the person saw the dub first. This was much more likely to happen back in the day up until the late-2000s since at the time only the most dedicated went out of their way to track down fan-subs, and even then, fan-subs weren't always complete.



I'm happy with it. It has Lara Jill Miller as Haru, she hasn't been in an anime for a little over a decade now, so it's really refreshing to hear her again.

Even if a dub doesn't rival the quality of the original sub, getting a decent role in a popular anime is crucial for voice actors financials. I might not care about the Demon Slayer dub, but their are enough people who do care and will now wait in line and pay Zack Aguilar to sign their stuff.

 

[Lone Outsider]

Chambers is getting a wee bit triggered right now.

Bitch, we don't care. Stop crying about getting called out lightly on the farms unless you want to get laughed at.

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“You, yes you. I'm going to say this once. This is #ComicsGate shit. What you tried to bring to me in dms was another person's bedroom to which I told you to leave alone at the time. I stepped away from the #IStandwithVic stuff due to my full time job among other things”

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[spirit of e m o s h]

Senpai is someone that just wants clout at this point, he's a rat that needs to get stomped whenever he's getting too big because he will kiss peoples asses until he thinks his big enough to throw them to the way side. Even TUG that degenerate is mad that he backstabbed him.

Hate to be THAT guy but hear me out for a minute. Sen's an idiot. I tell him that a lot & he's cool with it. Ultimately what it comes down to is that TUG knew what kind of internet persona Sen was becoming & it looks like he pushed him towards that "drama" route.
If y'all watched the video & see where Sen is told that he "doesn't have to be nice." What is essentially happening there is Sen being kept around & groomed to be some kind of lap dog or means to say and start shit that TUG wanted no public part of.
So they'd be cool behind the scenes but Sen got little to no play when it came to collaborations. Is it TUGs fault entirely? No. Sen made that choice himself but I'm saying that it should be factored in. It also makes sense that Sen was well known for touting his "loyalty" to TUG. But why?

Fast forward to now and it's easy to see that the BEST thing TUG can do is throw Sen under the bus as the guy who was leaking DMs even though he originally said it was me, and as the guy who "lit a fire" to get me and TUG to fight.
IN MY OPINION even IF Sen was looking to start drama between me and Tug. The bottom line is that Tug responded with open arms & you gotta factor that in. Using smaller ISWV figure heads to shit on people isn't cool at the end of the day.
I'm not important (I don't think so at least) but it's EASY to see that Sen's loyalty to TUG was a thing because it revolved around trashing me.

I spoke to Sen about everything that's happened & from what I gathered he figured sticking with TUG was a better move "business" wise & I totally get it, but I'm positive he said those things to Tug about me to get a response out of TUG. He needed leverage or something to fall back on incase he didn't get what he felt he deserved after being loyal to him. I think it was smart on his part.

I'm not mad at the kid & I know he's given y'all MULTIPLE reasons to despise him but ALL IM SAYING IS that I'm not buying him being thrown under the bus by the same guy who "fathered him in" by trashing me.

My issue is with who is in charge not who's following directions. But yeah this post isn't me defending the kid or anything it's just more so trying to keep the focus on who deserves it most in this case. Thanks as always.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

Senpai is legit worse than anything Perfection or TUG did now. Fuck this clout chasing chaos seeker.

Tell me what Sen did that was worse than TUG did.
TUG was faking a GFM attack, or faking attacks on him with his fat wife Lola, to grift the most?
Literally blacklisting people.
Sen was a sped and has done stupid stuff.
But the sped who was yelling at Nick for not getting on his show is the bigger problem here?
Sure.....

TUG did way worse stuff than Sen, but never got really called out in a big way because he's friends with the cool kids.
Don't get me wrong, I still like Nick, and I don't have an issue with YF or HH.
But you are barking at the wrong tree here, TUG is the bigger problem.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Tell me what Sen did that was worse than TUG did.
TUG was faking a GFM attack, or faking attacks on him with his fat wife Lola, to grift the most?
Literally blacklisting people.
Sen was a sped and has done stupid stuff.
But the sped who was yelling at Nick for not getting on his show is the bigger problem here?
Sure.....

TUG did way worse stuff than Sen, but never got really called out in a big way because he's friends with the cool kids.
Don't get me wrong, I still like Nick, and I don't have an issue with YF or HH.
But you are barking at the wrong tree here, TUG is the bigger problem.

I don't like TUG or Senpai, but I just don't like petty chaos seekers like Sen more. TUG is a raging homo with the attempts to blacklist an actual Youtuber, the mailbox garbage, and his wife's degeneracy, but I can't be as offended for some reason. Maybe it's because I'm still stuck in the disappointed stage with TUG (not enough to feel hatred but enough to acknowledge he's a faggot who's prolly gonna get wrekt by his detractors very soon).

Still hoping the second video on TUG's madness finishing him off.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

I don't like TUG or Senpai, but I just don't like petty chaos seekers like Sen more. TUG is a raging homo with the attempts to blacklist an actual Youtuber, the mailbox garbage, and his wife's degeneracy, but I can't be as offended for some reason. Maybe it's because I'm still stuck in the disappointed stage with TUG (not enough to feel hatred but enough to acknowledge he's a faggot who's prolly gonna get wrekt by his detractors very soon).

Still hoping the second video on TUG's madness finishing him off.

I don't want to put you on a spot here, but what has Senpai done to create chaos here?
And which is worse in your eyes than the stuff TUG has done?
Leaking DMs to prove that TUG is a grifting blacklisting idiot?
He did more today than TUG ever did for Vic, cutting off a tumor.

TUG never did something besides sperging on Twitter and grifting money here.
Nick and Emosh actually have done Stuff in IRL to help Vic.
You can't be this blind.
You guys had no problem when someone from KV did something like that, but now this is "chaos", come on.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

I don't want to put you on a spot here, but what has Senpai done to create chaos here?
And which is worse in your eyes than the stuff TUG has done?
Leaking DMs to prove that TUG is a grifting blacklisting idiot?
He did more today than TUG ever did for Vic, cutting off a tumor.

TUG never did something besides sperging on Twitter and grifting money here.
Nick and Emosh actually has done Stuff in IRL to help VIc.
You can't be this blind.
You guys had no problem when someone from KV did something like that, but now this is chaos, come on.

I'm going to admit I'm wrong about this. I just really dislike Senpai, regardless if he was right about TUG. I let my bias get the better of me.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Hate to be THAT guy but hear me out for a minute. Sen's an idiot. I tell him that a lot & he's cool with it. Ultimately what it comes down to is that TUG knew what kind of internet persona Sen was becoming & it looks like he pushed him towards that "drama" route.
If y'all watched the video & see where Sen is told that he "doesn't have to be nice." What is essentially happening there is Sen being kept around & groomed to be some kind of lap dog or means to say and start shit that TUG wanted no public part of.
So they'd be cool behind the scenes but Sen got little to no play when it came to collaborations. Is it TUGs fault entirely? No. Sen made that choice himself but I'm saying that it should be factored in. It also makes sense that Sen was well known for touting his "loyalty" to TUG. But why?

Fast forward to now and it's easy to see that the BEST thing TUG can do is throw Sen under the bus as the guy who was leaking DMs even though he originally said it was me, and as the guy who "lit a fire" to get me and TUG to fight.
IN MY OPINION even IF Sen was looking to start drama between me and Tug. The bottom line is that Tug responded with open arms & you gotta factor that in. Using smaller ISWV figure heads to shit on people isn't cool at the end of the day.
I'm not important (I don't think so at least) but it's EASY to see that Sen's loyalty to TUG was a thing because it revolved around trashing me.

I spoke to Sen about everything that's happened & from what I gathered he figured sticking with TUG was a better move "business" wise & I totally get it, but I'm positive he said those things to Tug about me to get a response out of TUG. He needed leverage or something to fall back on incase he didn't get what he felt he deserved after being loyal to him. I think it was smart on his part.

I'm not mad at the kid & I know he's given y'all MULTIPLE reasons to despise him but ALL IM SAYING IS that I'm not buying him being thrown under the bus by the same guy who "fathered him in" by trashing me.

My issue is with who is in charge not who's following directions. But yeah this post isn't me defending the kid or anything it's just more so trying to keep the focus on who deserves it most in this case. Thanks as always.

This is a pattern of behavior TUG learned from his days in Comicsgate, except it was he who was in the same position as Sen while being used as a puppet by Ethan Van Sciver. An ex-CG content creator called the Comicbook Hut (who's admittedly a bit of a sperg) talked about back when he was in Ethan's good graces, he would receive DM orders to go after people like Renfamous publicly on twitter, so Ethan could keep his hands clean.

Its all about power and PR, using your influence to control weak and smaller people to do your dirty work. In return for greater exposure on your larger channel later, the promise of more subs and superchats.

Tell me what Sen did that was worse than TUG did.
TUG was faking a GFM attack, or faking attacks on him with his fat wife Lola, to grift the most?
Literally blacklisting people.
Sen was a sped and has done stupid stuff.
But the sped who was yelling at Nick for not getting on his show is the bigger problem here?
Sure.....

TUG did way worse stuff than Sen, but never got really called out in a big way because he's friends with the cool kids.
Don't get me wrong, I still like Nick, and I don't have an issue with YF or HH.
But you are barking at the wrong tree here, TUG is the bigger problem.

TUG's gayops go all the way back to his Comicsgate days. His hambeast of a wife cat fishes for dick picks to use as leverage and blackmail material on people who were questioning the direction CG was heading or to outright silence critics. If she couldn't get the pic's of her targets, she'd use those she had catfished as cannon fodder to dogpile people out of the movement. TUG also was caught red-handed drumming up drama between Ethan Van Sciver and Doug TenNapel, attempting to play both sides of the divide for his own personal benefit. After all his a drama-whore, gotta earn those views somehow amirite?

The point is TUG has always been a two-faced snake, he knew nothing about Vic, anime or manga and was only brought into Weeb Wars because his old buddy Yellowflash brought him in. CG was declining and WW was the new hot topic, you only have to look at how much YF and TUGs channels grew during WW compared to their CG days to get an idea of their true motives. Now WW is pretty much done, their content has shifted to more generic outrage culture like Disney BS, Star Wars and BatWaahmen videos.

It was always about money and clout.

 

[Adach_Ame]

I'm going to admit I'm wrong about this. I just really dislike Senpai, regardless if he was right about TUG. I let my bias get the better of me.

senpai is the definition of bottomfeeder, which often tiered lower than even villains. Basically the "No one likes a spineless coward" type of thing.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

TUG has always been a two-faced snake, he knew nothing about Vic, anime or manga and was only brought into Weeb Wars because his old buddy Yellowflash brought him in.

You can tell he doesn't care or know jackshit about anime, when he pops into a weeb stream he doesn't know shit about the content and flash admitted he just told tug how weeb wars is a goldmine.

 

[Nontransferable]

Still hoping the second video on TUG's madness finishing him off.

TUG's YouTube channel has nearly doubled in subscribers since the infamous Renfamous mailbox incident. All the stupid shit him and his wife have done doesn't matter.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

This is a pattern of behaviour TUG learned from his days in Comicsgate, except it was he who was in the same position as Sen while being used as a puppet by Ethan Van Sciver. An ex-CG content creator called the Comicbook Hut (who's admittedly a bit of a sperg) talked about back when he was in Ethan's good graces, he would receive DM orders to go after people like Renfamous publicly on twitter, so Ethan could keep his hands clean.

Its all about power and PR, using your influence to control weak and smaller people to do your dirty work. In return for greater exposure on your larger channel later, the promise of more subs and superchats.

I want to talk about this a little more, because I got something to reinforce your post.
A few days ago someone got doxed in MBA's thread and in lolcow fashion he had to correct his dox.
And he had to flex that he was working undercover for TUG.
This is additional evidence for his gay ops and his lying behavior:

TUG was lying so often, and I think people have talked about that in TUG's thread, but I don't want to know how often he lied about the blue whale because no one would believe her.
Why have you to lie TUG, Weeb Wars was already a goldmine without lying and creating drama.
Oh I know why he did that, he's second place in Weeb Wars debt collecting with his 220k in debt.
He needed to pay of his debt, and nothing is better than nerd bucks.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

TUG's YouTube channel has nearly doubled in subscribers since the infamous Renfamous mailbox incident. All the stupid shit him and his wife have done doesn't matter.

Seems like the worst case scenario for TUG is being Smug Legend/Lory tier anti-woke personality (people acknowledge that you're shady, but overall won't be universally reviled/your sycophants won't be 99.9% genuine incels like Soygon and OAG)