Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[GenociderSyo]

According to NAMI, the following roles are trained to evaluate, recognize, and thus, diagnose a mental illness (and can prescribe medication):

• Psychologists
• Psychiatrists
• Psychiatric Or Mental Health Nurse Practitioners (in most states, requires supervision/sign off of a psychiatrist)
• Primary Care Physicians (which can mean an OBGYN, which believe me is fucking ridiculous)
• Family Nurse Practitioners
• Psychiatric Pharmacists
• Pastoral Counselors (wtf?)

Social workers, therapists, clinicians, and counselors can assist in assessing mental health conditions. What does this means? It means they can evaluate you and refer you to a licensed physician. And this is exactly what they are supposed to do. Most people who go to therapy just need to talk about their feelings. If you go in there needing a diagnosis, they do one of two things: share your case with a supervising psychiatrist or psychologist at their practice (fairly common these days, even better help has them), or if it's beyond what they are trained to help assess, they refer you to a psychiatrist and you don't carry a folder with their thoughts on what they've observed, it gets sent directly to the doctor.



Chloe is not in therapy, and I believe she's mentioned that specifically, but then sometimes she talks about therapy in a strange disconnected way that feels like a fictional monologue like I've seen friends perform in improv classes.

Psychologists cannot prescribe meds at this time they fought to be allowed to and it didnt pass. It should also be said this means CLINICAL with PSYDs the term has become so vague now that it encompasses way too many specialities that cannot diagnose. In most locations a psychiatrist is needed for a diagnosis to be offical.

 

[Shrryph1]

They have a lot of various types of therapy, and medication is given out on a very rigid schedule per patient, and they ensure you take it. Being held against your will only happens when you are a danger to yourself or others, and they need a court order to do that.

They don't just have people chilling in a psychiatric hospital. They have a lot of various types of therapy, and medication is given out on a very rigid schedule per patient, and they ensure you take it. Being held against your will only happens when you are a danger to yours

It’s not always that dramatic, but you’re completely correct. The admitting doctor can give a hold and you have to go to the ward. Where you are carefully monitored. It’s not just in the movies kids, if the pajamas you were wearing when you were admitting to the ER have drawstrings, they gotta go. The county hospital I spent a day in wasn’t great, but it wasn’t torture either. We had forced fun time and I was just sitting around waiting for the psychiatrist to come so I could tell her I’m not crazy, just depressed. No fun in the psych ward.

 

[Clarice Starling]

Not all that significant, but I got a giggle out of the atrocious acting in this video from 19:10. If you weren’t already convinced she’s talking bollocks, that’s got to do it.

ETA: It’s Chloe as “Kyle” doing a Chloe impression, which is unsurprisingly spot on. She then acts all smug like she just did an Oscar worthy performance.

Is anyone else convinced that Chloe/Nin is a character too? I know that’s her real name, but I highly doubt that’s anything close to her true personality or even what her voice sounds like. Chloe as herself comes off just as fake as any of the others.

 

[heterotic]

I have never met a LCSW/psychotherapist/anyone below a doctorate comfortable with giving a formal diagnosis. There is always a psychiatrist involved - ESPECIALLY in cases as severe as DID is supposed to be.

It's not because they are not comfortable, they are not legally licensed to do so WITHOUT the psychiatrist's supervision.

Psychologists cannot prescribe meds at this time they fought to be allowed to and it didnt pass. It should also be said this means CLINICAL with PSYDs the term has become so vague now that it encompasses way too many specialities that cannot diagnose. In most locations a psychiatrist is needed for a diagnosis to be offical.

I edited with clarification in the post.

It’s not always that dramatic, but you’re completely correct. The admitting doctor can give a hold and you have to go to the ward. Where you are carefully monitored. It’s not just in the movies kids, if the pajamas you were wearing when you were admitting to the ER have drawstrings, they gotta go. The county hospital I spent a day in wasn’t great, but it wasn’t torture either. We had forced fun time and I was just sitting around waiting for the psychiatrist to come so I could tell her I’m not crazy, just depressed. No fun in the psych ward.

Not entirely sure what I said that was dramatic, unless you are referring to the specific situation in which I contrasted how they don't want you to be legally held against your will, even while they may have you confined in some way for the observation period. They want your consent.

I think the idea that most people have a mental hospital is the dramatized version of them that resemble mental health jails, and thus, the malingerers talk about psychiatric facilities like they are scary and traumatic. Some people spend their holds in bad facilities, like in actual jails, if they aren't in need of emergent care, but as far as actual psychiatric hospitals/wards go, the worst thing about them are the bars on the windows.

Not all that significant, but I got a giggle out of the atrocious acting in this video from 19:10. If you weren’t already convinced she’s talking bollocks, that’s got to do it.

ETA: It’s Chloe as “Kyle” doing a Chloe impression, which is unsurprisingly spot on. She then acts all smug like she just did an Oscar worthy performance.

It's honestly stuff like this that makes me wonder if she believes her own lies at this point.

 

[Shrryph1]

Not all that significant, but I got a giggle out of the atrocious acting in this video from 19:10. If you weren’t already convinced she’s talking bollocks, that’s got to do it.

When things get too deep, we always have DissociaDID for levity. I need her to be my personal makeup artist next time I have a breakdown. Go, Chloe, go!

 

[DissociaDONT]

At 8:25 Chloe starts talking about buying her diagnosis. Apparently, Remy also diagnosed Multiplicity and Me. Seeing as a small minority of doctors are responsible for having diagnosed the majority of DID cases, I'd be shocked if this guy wasn't making a living diagnosing every attention seeker and confused BPD sufferer in his corner of the UK willing to pay.

And, of course, after she's done talking about how Remy diagnosed her in a few hours, (Or asked someone licensed to do it for him, rather. Someone who, presumedly, didn't even speak to Chloe.) she proceeds to dramatically dissociate and switch. As is custom.

 

[Jewthulhu]

By the way, shout out to psychiatrists. Not only do they go through med school, internship and residency they then sub specialize in psychology. Neuroanatomy is hard, yo.

12 years yet for me.

Frankly, I feel some level of neurology should be standard for all psychological fields. Theoretical models are nice and all, but when genetics are responsible for at least 50% of personality development, you can't just be ignorant of how the brain works. It's also what makes me skeptical of DID in general. In order for cases like Chloe and Nan's to be legitimate, you'd have to have multiple personality states developing completely independent of their genetics.

 

[Hankypanko]

I don't know how it works in the UK, but in the US even a lowly LCSW can diagnose. They tend to stick to the more common disorders but are hesitant to diagnose more serious conditions like personality disorders. For serious and debilitating mental conditions, in the US they'll refer you to a psychologist because they're the only ones who are licensed to perform actual psychological testing. Psychotherapist is an umbrella term for any mental health professional that provides therapy. A psychiatrist is a doctor that treats mental health through medication but does not provide talk therapy. Usually they work together to provide patient care.

But, she has a spotty history of documented and inconsistent mental health treatment. It would be impossible for her to get to the level of mental control that "co-consciousness" and "forced switching" would require (in theory, if DID is even real) without intense therapy. As far as I know, Chloe isn't currently in therapy.

The NHS has a dire mental health department, very slow to get processed through. When she went into hospital likely she was tested and monitored for a short period then released. She probably spoke to a counsellor at the hospital, at which point diagnoses are mentioned. You aren’t formally diagnosed, it’s only suggestions that will be put into your file and be reviewed later. The only time someone would ever be in a facility would be if a) they were willing to pay or b) their risk is extremely high. Mental facilities are hard to get into. If you’re in one in the UK you’re either a rich kid with depreshun or actually fucked.

Likely she had to wait at least 3 months to go to Colchester hospital and see a psychiatrist. You will have another talk with the psych, your file will be reviewed, and they will make a prognosis. Not a diagnosis. This is who will prescribe you any medication they think you may be responsive to, and after that they will refer you on again to NHS therapy, during which you will be diagnosed. This part can usually take between 3-6 months depending on what council and what area.

In reality Chloe probably got sick of waiting for the NHS and decided to get shit diagnosed herself. It’s a long process so in a way it’s understandable, but she never finished the length of the NHS procedure to get formally diagnosed. The university probably needed her to get that so she could return, as to properly accomodate for her, and when she didn’t it turned into a stalemate.

 

[Ryanstartedthefire]

Social workers cannot diagnose. They are case workers who manage their client’s care, by talk therapy, note taking and communication with healthcare staff and a mental health physician.

LCSW is an actual degree. They don't all have "cases" and some of them work as therapists in a general practice and can absolutely diagnose for less serious cases. But, we're talking about mental healthcare in the US, which is a redundant and complicated mess that varies from state to state.

So, I doubt any anecdotal experience is applicable to Chloe being based in the UK. At any rate, its unconscionable that any real professional would let her walk away with a real DID dx without a battery of psychological exams over a period of years.

My question is, are her parents and siblings in on it? Its an obvious scam at this point, at least to us. So if her parents really believe she has DID, why haven't they tried to take back guardianship? Theoretically, she could switch into a "little" at any point in time and that could be extremely dangerous... so are they in on it or do they realize she's full of shit?

 

[heterotic]

The NHS has a dire mental health department, very slow to get processed through. When she went into hospital likely she was tested and monitored for a short period then released. She probably spoke to a counsellor at the hospital, at which point diagnoses are mentioned. You aren’t formally diagnosed, it’s only suggestions that will be put into your file and be reviewed later. The only time someone would ever be in a facility would be if a) they were willing to pay or b) their risk is extremely high. Mental facilities are hard to get into. If you’re in one in the UK you’re either a rich kid with depreshun or actually fucked.

Likely she had to wait at least 3 months to go to Colchester hospital and see a psychiatrist. You will have another talk with the psych, your file will be reviewed, and they will make a prognosis. Not a diagnosis. This is who will prescribe you any medication they think you may be responsive to, and after that they will refer you on again to NHS therapy, during which you will be diagnosed. This part can usually take between 3-6 months depending on what council and what area.

In reality Chloe probably got sick of waiting for the NHS and decided to get shit diagnosed herself. It’s a long process so in a way it’s understandable, but she never finished the length of the NHS procedure to get formally diagnosed. The university probably needed her to get that so she could return, as to properly accomodate for her, and when she didn’t it turned into a stalemate.

I doubt that this was the case for her, people she knows IRL have confirmed her inferences that her family is quite well off financially and that they paid for private care for her. It's unlikely that she had the struggle that you are describing here.

She also never describes an encounter with a psychiatrist.

LCSW is an actual degree. They don't all have "cases" and some of them work as therapists in a general practice and can absolutely diagnose for less serious cases. But, we're talking about mental healthcare in the US, which is a redundant and complicated mess that varies from state to state.

So, I doubt any anecdotal experience is applicable to Chloe being based in the UK. At any rate, its unconscionable that any real professional would let her walk away with a real DID dx without a battery of psychological exams over a period of years.

My question is, are her parents and siblings in on it? Its an obvious scam at this point, at least to us. So if her parents really believe she has DID, why haven't they tried to take back guardianship? Theoretically, she could switch into a "little" at any point in time and that could be extremely dangerous... so are they in on it or do they realize she's full of shit?

I am not entirely sure that this LCSW stuff is entirely accurate. Where I live insurance will not reimburse LCSW's who treat mental health patients unless they are under the supervision of a psychiatrist or psychologist, and any treatment plan that includes medication must be referred to a psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist typically provides an official diagnosis of their own after evaluation and observation.

Actually, looks like in my state they aren't licensed as clinical, so they cannot diagnose without a cosigning Psychologist or Psychiatrist. That may explain the discrepancy I've seen with what you are expressing.

 

[rot]

Physically traumatic I'm sure but no one remembers their birth. Birth trauma is definitely a thing for Mothers but what newborn baby has the cognitive ability to record long term memory and suffer emotional damage? They can't even hold their heads up unsupported.

Yep that was what I was trying to say. Sorry if it didn't come out that way

 

[leadhanded]

Is anyone else convinced that Chloe/Nin is a character too? I know that’s her real name, but I highly doubt that’s anything close to her true personality or even what her voice sounds like. Chloe as herself comes off just as fake as any of the others.

Well... now I kind of am. Hadn't even thought of that, that's a bit fucky to think about. How do you suppose she actually is? I doubt she has a very stable sense of self; at this point, she may not even know who exactly she is, she's definitely very caught up in her delusions.

In her own words, "-the truth comes out eventually." So, when do you guys think she'll breakdown and realize shes deluded herself and needs to get serious help besides BetterHelp "therapy" and telling herself everything is fine and normal? I think it won't be for a while, but she won't stay relevant forever so I suspect it'll happen, for her sake at least. Granted I'm kind of leaning towards her never admitting it (or at least not publicly can't let the haters win). There is no way-- even if she is deluded-- that she doesn't realize how fucked all this is.

 

[Cooking Mama]

Well... now I kind of am. Hadn't even thought of that, that's a bit fucky to think about. How do you suppose she actually is? I doubt she has a very stable sense of self; at this point, she may not even know who exactly she is, she's definitely very caught up in her delusions.

In her own words, "-the truth comes out eventually." So, when do you guys think she'll breakdown and realize shes deluded herself and needs to get serious help besides BetterHelp "therapy" and telling herself everything is fine and normal? I think it won't be for a while, but she won't stay relevant forever so I suspect it'll happen, for her sake at least. Granted I'm kind of leaning towards her never admitting it (or at least not publicly can't let the haters win). There is no way-- even if she is deluded-- that she doesn't realize how fucked all this is.

Honestly? Never. Cows very rarely have that break through and continue on with their sad existence finding attention where they can even if they’ve faded into obscurity. Especially munchies.

Sort of powerlevely: I knew someone personally who claimed to have DID (I knew three altogether how the hell do I find these people), told me about it when we were teenagers, and is still insisting they have it and they’re nearly 30 years old. Spoilers: they don’t, they’re just an attention seeking black hole who fools themselves into believing everything they say is true. In reality, they’re quite similar to Chloe. They lived a middle class life in a nice suburb with no real abuse or anything close to it taking place. There were issues between the parents and they found out about it, they also did not get along with their mother, but other than that everything was copacetic. The only point of contention was that their mother did not accept them at first when they came out as LGBT, but now she does. Much like Chloe, they claim vague cases of abuse and trauma (from their mother and brother), but despite that was always happily hanging around them even after they began living on their own. It was wild.

I suspect they have HPD or borderline, like chloe, but who knows. Cows gonna cow.

 

[stick]

My question is, are her parents and siblings in on it? Its an obvious scam at this point, at least to us. So if her parents really believe she has DID, why haven't they tried to take back guardianship? Theoretically, she could switch into a "little" at any point in time and that could be extremely dangerous... so are they in on it or do they realize she's full of shit?

Honestly, I hope they ARE in on it. It's less sad than the alternative.

Imagine your child falsely leading you to believe that they experienced something so horrific that their mind had to fracture itself into pieces just to survive.

She talks about how her parents feel in this video around 24:00 and it seems they had nothing to do with the trauma and weren't aware of the trauma. Chloe doesn't remember her trauma either and just assumes that she has it. But ultimately it seems like her parents are very confused as to what happened to give her trauma.

My parents really struggle with that. A lot of the reason why my parents especially my Mother wants to know what happened and will ask me like every time I go to therapy: "Do you know what happened yet? Do you know what caused this yet?" is because both my parents love me so much and they want to know what on earth happened. Like, what happened, what did they do wrong, you know, what did they miss? Was there something they could have done to avoid it, you know, stuff like that. And it's difficult to see them kind of suffering holding that alongside me. Because I don't know, I don't know either. And that's scary. And it's obviously scary for them too.

 

[rot]

Imagine your child falsely leading you to believe that they experienced something so horrific that their mind had to fracture itself into pieces just to survive.

I feel so awful for her parents.

 

[Lurk]

Not sure I've seen anyone comment on this who is actually from the UK. To clear up once and for all, in the UK specifically, a psychologist cannot diagnose - only a psychiatrist. A psychologist is not a medical doctor.
If you're bored, there are various NHS pages you can read through about UK mental health services:

Differences between psychology, psychiatry and psychotherapy

Below is a brief description of each of the different areas.

www.healthcareers.nhs.uk

Mental health assessments

Wherever you go for help, you'll get a detailed assessment. The purpose of an assessment is to build up an accurate picture of your needs.

www.nhs.uk

Despite these being NHS pages, and Chloe having paid privately for her bollocks 'diagnosis', the laws are the same whether NHS or private. If she claims to have been seen and 'diagnosed' solely by Remy and not the psychiatrist he keeps on staff, then she's talking shit. She's probably so intent on touting his name because he clearly has a public presence on the subject so she thinks it gives her more credibility to say he diagnosed her, even though he himself cannot actually do so. She was probably banking on the fact that her teenage fans won't go so far as to establish this for themselves, which is sadly true.

 

[heterotic]

From Dr. Richard Day, an abnormal psychology professor:

There was a study published in 2015, looking at all newly reported cases of DID from 2000-2010 [from qualified physicians], a ten year period, about 1,200 new cases of DID were identified in that period of time, and 97% of them were identified during therapy, only 3% were identified outside of treatment. And [those 97%] don't come in complaining of symptoms specific to DID. They come in for headaches, memory loss, marital discord, a whole raft of different things. Then through their therapy, they start to identify that there may have been childhood abuse, especially that of a sexual nature, and it is suggested that they may have DID.

 

[Jewthulhu]

My question is, are her parents and siblings in on it? Its an obvious scam at this point, at least to us. So if her parents really believe she has DID, why haven't they tried to take back guardianship? Theoretically, she could switch into a "little" at any point in time and that could be extremely dangerous... so are they in on it or do they realize she's full of shit?

Probably not. I guess none of us can know for sure to what extent Chloe herself believes it, but I would think people who fake/exaggerate a disorder usually don't let others know. You can often read about cases of factitious disorder where not even the spouse knows what's going on. Most likely, conflicting information is either not known about or is overlooked. After all, you don't want to suspect the worst about a part of your family.
As for taking back guardianship, DID isn't really widely known about (or at least understood), so all this is likely new information to the parents. Perhaps they offered, but if Chloe tells them she's fine living on her own, they have no reason to doubt her.

 

[Sperghetti]

Well... now I kind of am. Hadn't even thought of that, that's a bit fucky to think about. How do you suppose she actually is? I doubt she has a very stable sense of self; at this point, she may not even know who exactly she is, she's definitely very caught up in her delusions.

Chloe herself comes off as being a fake because... well she is technically fake. That character of the girl with a traumatic past that gave her multiple personalities and just wants to educate us about her disorder isn’t her genuine self, it’s just what she wants to be.

I’m kind of leaning toward a combination what a few other people on this thread have said: She probably legitimately believes she has DID, but doesn’t understand that her “voices” and “alters” are just examples of normal creativity. Kind of like the recent “some people don’t have an inner monologue” thing, but in reverse.

Lots of people have created fictional characters that come so easily and naturally to them that they can write a whole conversation without a second thought. Many of those characters have also just popped into authors’ heads, or were directly inspired by other people or events in their life. That’s how creativity works. Creative people aren’t just sitting around dryly constructing their work as if they were putting together a model airplane or something.

Chloe would never accept this, though, because it would be a crushing blow to her ego. If it’s not DID, then she’s just some chick with a bunch of OCs who’s into fetish role-playing on the internet, and that’s not a reality she wants to face.

 

[Clarice Starling]

Well... now I kind of am. Hadn't even thought of that, that's a bit fucky to think about. How do you suppose she actually is? I doubt she has a very stable sense of self; at this point, she may not even know who exactly she is, she's definitely very caught up in her delusions.

I agree, she’s so balls deep in this now that she’s likely lost any sense of self she had, especially considering this all started in her teens. This is her whole identity now and I highly doubt she has anyone she can be the “real Chloe” around (I don’t think her parents are in on it personally). If she never had the DID idea I could imagine her being a lot more similar to “Kyle” than her posh good girl Chloe act. She probably could’ve been a somewhat normal human being.