Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

So I was re-reading the Legacy (2006) series and near the end (Issue 47) I came upon a part I had forgotten about. Namely, when Galactic Alliance Admiral Gar Stazi deploys a bunch of droid-piloted ships to ram into the Imperial Fleet. The Imperials are unfazed by this and (doesn't take Space Sun Tzu to figure this one out, does it Admiral Dangerhair?) order the kamikaze ships to be shot down. Only, the twist is that Stazi had the kamikaze ships carry ion bombs which upon detonation turned off the Imp fleet's sensors, rendering them temporarily blind.

My point: compare this small albeit smart part of a battle in an EU comic vs. the "genius" battle-deciding tactic of Admiral Dangerhair in TLJ of going full Osama on enemy ships while Disney Imperials just sit there and take it.

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Issue 47: https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Star-Wars-Legacy-2006/Issue-47?id=12331
 
Thing is, all the retrospective reviews I see everywhere for this book online lambast it for some scene in which there's some kind of Human-On-Bug Orgy. Now, I've just finished The Joiner King, which is the book where this supposedly happens, but I didn't encounter it anywhere. Did I fucking miss something? What is everyone talking about? The closest thing to that is when Zekk wakes up next to Jaina after another one of those Killik Ritual Dances (again, fucking weird, but not lewd or ever implied to be lewd), and Jaina essentially confirms to both Zekk or the audience that nothing happened between them. So what fucking orgy is everyone going on about?

Also, Troy Denning really likes sexing up this Alema chick of his. Not that I'm complaining...Denning clearly knows my interests well: sexy Twi'leks in skin-tight flight suits that, in the character's own words, are on the verge of tearing if they so much as bend over.
If memory serves, the "bug orgy" was a joking description of the scene that took on a life of its own, just like Alema's "bugslut" nickname (maybe; it's been a long time). 🤔
 
The people running Dark Horse comics must feel a bit better about losing the Star Wars license after seeing how Disney ran it into the dirt. If they had kept it, they would have ended up like Hasbro, obligated to pump out premium products of Disney characters, after the actual Disney Store had bailed on SW merchandise after Rogue One. Since it's Disney Marvel, I doubt the ~20k monthly units for Aphra were entirely honest or accurate.
 
The speds at Gizmodo wrote this:

Our Fascination With Canon Is Killing the Way We Value Stories
James Whitbrook
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The Grand Inquisitor rummaging through the Jedi Archives in Darth Vader #8, presumably deciding what he should and shouldn’t add to Wookieepedia from it all.

The Grand Inquisitor rummaging through the Jedi Archives in Darth Vader #8, presumably deciding what he should and shouldn’t add to Wookieepedia from it all.Image: Giuseppe Camuncoli, Daniele Orlandini, and David Curiel (Marvel Comics)


As the pop culture we love becomes increasingly dominated by vast franchises of interconnected worlds and stories, so does it become dominated by one, singular question from diehard fans: Is the thing we’re about to consume canon to everything else we’ve consumed before? It’s an attitude that’s turning our love of stories into some bizarre, archival competition.
Canon is not inherently a bad thing, of course—it can provide structure to chaos and it can provide a sense of not just continuity, but stakes as that continuity progresses. The idea lets characters bear the impact of events on their journeys across not just one narrative, but many, allowing them to grow and change to the point that they might even be entirely different kinds of people compared to where we first met them.
There’s still plenty of room for variety and interpretation in even a relatively strictly defined canon—just look at Star Wars, and the kinds of stories it can still tell despite the mandate from upon high that anything told must fit into what’s been established since Disney took over the franchise. But those stories benefit from the added weight of being definitive interpretations and events that flesh out an entire galaxy’s worth of stories. But where canon—or, rather, our hunger for it—goes terribly wrong is when whether Something Matters or Not becomes the base standard for how we consider a piece of media.

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It’s an attitude that has become predominant not just within fandom circles itself, but in the media commentary that has developed around these fandoms and the blockbuster franchises that dominate our popular culture. Critics and fans alike are now less interested in actually interpreting a piece of media thematically or to engage with why they liked or disliked it, but instead to pick it apart and break it down to the base components of what are, essentially, its pure, unflinching facts. Google Star Wars or the Marvel movies and you will likely see as many articles and videos with headlines like “X Confirms Y is Canon,” “X Questions Answered By [New Media],” or “X Things We Learned About Character Z in This New Book/Movie/TV Show” as you will critical essays about these stories, if not more. And before someone accuses me of throwing stones in glass houses: Yes, io9 totally does this too. Like I said, discussing canon can be fun, it can add a lot to a series!
But this craving for it above all else is a toxic attitude, not just to the way we talk about pieces of media from a critical perspective, but in fan circles as well. The hunger for facts above all else leads to things like “filler episode” becoming a derogatory term for stories that don’t advance the larger ongoing plot of a narrative or don’t include some shocking new revelation that someone can add to a list. It predicates the gatekeeping act of being a fan that is built on how much you know about a thing over whether you actually enjoy that thing or not. It’s an attitude that in turn feeds the equally unruly and constantly growing spoiler culture because a fandom that values pure details above all else puts weight in the knowledge of those details. The need robs discussions about the stories we get of nuance and interpretation, because who cares what you think happened when there’s an answer from the Word of God to that question you might have had? And more sinisterly, beyond the way it shapes our discourse, it’s a craving that further enmeshes our love of a world not to the world itself, but to the masters behind that world. To twist a lit-crit turn of phrase, there cannot be the death of the author, if the author’s got their own fandom wiki.


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It’s fine if you want something to matter to a world and characters you care about, but it shouldn’t be the be-all-and-end-all to your investment in them, either. Fandom is such a wide, shareable passion, full of different opinions and interpretations about a thing, united by a shared, vested interest and love for storytelling. Valuing the sterile facts of those stories more than the things about them that make us think or feel is a sad thing indeed.
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The people running Dark Horse comics must feel a bit better about losing the Star Wars license after seeing how Disney ran it into the dirt. If they had kept it, they would have ended up like Hasbro, obligated to pump out premium products of Disney characters, after the actual Disney Store had bailed on SW merchandise after Rogue One. Since it's Disney Marvel, I doubt the ~20k monthly units for Aphra were entirely honest or accurate.

Not entirely - a friend mentioned to me that almost, if not the entire, lineup of upcoming Star Wars figures is exclusively OT.

And Hasbro's been sick of Disney's shit since TLJ when they had to eat the cost of all those unsold Elite Guards or whoever the red cloak people were because they didn't really DO anything in the film. It's why there are no figures of the equally pointless Knights of Ren.

The speds at Gizmodo wrote this:

But canon is literally regarding the fictional history of a universe, you simply can't fucking ignore it when crafting within a franchise world unless you're doing something non-canon from the outset.

It's dumbasses like this who would regard something like Springtime for Hitler as an honest to god straight "interpretation" of Hitler as being something other than an omnicidal lunatic who couldn't get into art school and totally was not calling for the complete eradication of the Jews in Mein Kampf.

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Yeah, okay, that's a new word filter I hadn't seen yet. Kinda makes what I wrote a lot funnier, though, to be fair.
 
People like canon because it creates continuity and consistency. Economizing on things like recurring characters and loyalty to in-universe rules and world-building is the ultimate reward for people who are passionately keeping up with the story; it's the author/creator's gesture to show that they value the attention that fans are paying to their work. But the morons at Gizmondo, Screenrant, and Collider would have you believe that working exhaustively to preserve a canon is a bad thing, something that limits and stifles storytelling, and that anyone who prioritizes them is acting entitled.

Not to shill NJO for the 20th time, but in the dedication for Dark Tide II: Ruin, Michael A. Stackpole wrote this as a tribute to the EU readerbase:

"To Star Wars Fans: Your knowledge and dedication makes writing these books a challenge. Your passion for the universe makes writing them indescribably rewarding. Until we meet again..."

Fans holding a series' canon to a high standard brings out the best quality of work from creators. It's the kind of thing that has led to some of the best comics ever written, entire fictional landscapes like Forgotten Realms, DragonLance, and Warhammer, and TV like the Berman-era Trek shows, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and all of Universal Century Gundam. Wanting consistency and quality out of a fictional world is not some new wave of fan entitlement...it was the standard criteria for all consumer-driven fictional universes prior to this current era of Funko Pops and blogging about "fans being too nit-picky."
 
Also, Disney's stock is getting downgraded.
Also more losses kaijudude.
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Sad part is that it won't be Iger and his moronic board of directors and Kennedy who suffer from this, it'll be thousands upon thousands of innocent employees and the legacy of Walt Disney himself.

The speds at Gizmodo wrote this:
That article shows everything that's wrong with Disney and current fandoms. They have no investment in stories/characters or immersion, they just want to consoom while having to do as little thinking as possible.

Also is it just me or does this asshole's arm look really fucked up?
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Shouldn't his arm look more like this?
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Its nitpicky I know as no comic art is perfect, but I just find it incredibly annoying how Disney drones will lap up and praise anything Disney Wars shits out and claim it to be superior to anything that came out during the George era despite that Disney shit is even more flawed and shitty and even its most "decent" shit is still far from perfect, despite Disney and its defenders promising higher quality and care than anything that came before, a promise that proved incredibly hollow, and they still try to pretend that anything they produce is in anyway superior or somehow not as flawed by pointing out any minute flaw in the past but refusing to point or even passively criticize anything of theirs.
 
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I mean, it's no wonder that the only thing that turns any heads in terms of mainstream controversy (in news sites or forums) when it comes to the Marvel Star Wars comics is the art...the story ain't gonna be memorable enough to be worth a shit. The Story Group's stranglehold on scope and creativity in the new canon makes everything so suffocatingly-safe, that nothing is allowed to happen.

No more events, barely any new characters, no scope or ambition allowed to overshadow the new films...just monster-of-the week doldrums with the OT characters, "Muh Padme" Hour with Vader courtesy of Charles Soule, and whatever autistic Deadpool shenanigans that Doctor Aphra is up to.

And High Republic isn't going to change that, since all of the same lackluster talent on the previous comics and novels are working on that as well.
 
The speds at Gizmodo wrote this:
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What a narrow, blind view those consoomers have of the situation. Have they thought to ask why canon feels like a straitjacket? Because the entire idea of stories that multiple authors live in for decades at a time is inherently weird, and it's hard to keep those stories making sense. Especially when copyright and trademark law require their corporate owners to keep all their properties "live" in whatever legal sense applies. And we happen to be living in a cultural moment where working in these franchises is the best way to get the kind of pop-culture cred that people like Gizmodo writers drool over.
If you hate canon, stop consooming. Take a principled stand and don't go to the 500th MCU movie. Go out and read a new book with new characters, enjoy it, and then let it end. There doesn't have to be a New Product To Get Excited For.
 
I just want to take a moment and share the horror of who Thrawn has to share the product page with.
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No wonder on if you can get giant space whales to tentacle rape him.

And just to show you how long Fantasy Flight has held a license for Star Wars games...

BOTH of these cards are in the Star Wars LCG.
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Ok. A cycle of originals and their chinese knockoffs.
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Did you ever think you'd see the day where in a game you can have the old EU fight the new EU?

I just found that funny. (I might also be going a bit crazy being shut up so long.)
Speaking of FFG I did see a little talk recently that they might consider introducing a Legends faction into X-Wing and Armada, though given the date I think it was just an april fools joke some fans started.
I personal doubt this would happen anytime soon (like I said it was probably an april fools joke) though I'm probably going to get a lot of 🌈 for this but I don't think its completely impossible.
iirc it was pointed out a few weeks ago that the reason why Disney/Lucasfilm is doing almost jack shit with legends might be because they don't have any money to spare on it, and as far as I can tell FFG seems to be somewhat self sufficient (or at least more then Marvel), although they did cancel one of their star was TCG a while ago so that might throw the idea out the window.
 
Also more losses kaijudude.
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Sad part is that it won't be Iger and his moronic board of directors and Kennedy who suffer from this, it'll be thousands upon thousands of innocent employees and the legacy of Walt Disney himself.


That article shows everything that's wrong with Disney and current fandoms. They have no investment in stories/characters or immersion, they just want to consoom while having to do as little thinking as possible.

Also is it just me or does this asshole's arm look really fucked up?
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Shouldn't his arm look more like this?
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Its nitpicky I know as no comic art is perfect, but I just find it incredibly annoying how Disney drones will lap up and praise anything Disney Wars shits out and claim it to be superior to anything that came out during the George era despite that Disney shit is even more flawed and shitty and even its most "decent" shit is still far from perfect, despite Disney and its defenders promising higher quality and care than anything that came before, a promise that proved incredibly hollow, and they still try to pretend that anything they produce is in anyway superior or somehow not as flawed
Now Disney just furlough their employees that are not essential, including the parks, on April 19.
 
Speaking of FFG I did see a little talk recently that they might consider introducing a Legends faction into X-Wing and Armada, though given the date I think it was just an april fools joke some fans started.
I personal doubt this would happen anytime soon (like I said it was probably an april fools joke) though I'm probably going to get a lot of 🌈 for this but I don't think its completely impossible.
Well......

Was kind of already in Xwing 1.

The Star Wars game they recently canceled was "Destiny" where every card came with a dice. That cannot have been cheap to produce (dice can run up your production costs quick). I'll dig around to see if I can learn why it was halted but it wouldn't surprise me if it just wasn't selling well enough to be worth it.
 
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So it seems that infamous Story Group member Matt "Porgcuck" Martin also discovered the Gizmodo article which he absolutely creamed his pants over and had himself a spergout on Twitter.
For those who don't remember, Porgcuck Martin is the self-appointed spokesperson for Kennedy's horribly incompetent and useless Story Group which he was appointed to despite having no experience in writing anything outside of merchandise descriptions on websites. In fact, poorly shilling merch is all he knows how to do (and he ain't that good at it either):
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Before the Disney takeover all this fucker did was shill merch on the SW website, but for some reason (or because of his tremendous ass kissing) Kennedy & Friends gave him a position as a proof reader and creative executive, a position which he initially liked bragging about on Twitter and which led to him acting as an "informant" for fans if they wanted to know what is and what isn't canon, which suffice it to say he is incredibly bipolar about, loving questions that involve fellating Disney but loathing or sarcastically responding to pre-Disney questions or continuity errors in current canon. For comparison, some of his predecessors like Leland Chee would answer all of these with no difficulty with his only grievance being not understanding why some people liked the Empire so much. Meanwhile Matt is incredibly pissy and easily flustered, and often makes his loathing or indifference for pre-Disney media well known, such as Bothans. He also hates "scientific" questions, things his predecessors eagerly answered but he loathes, even something as simple as what a certain device in the shitty movies is called or what it does, with some expecting some made up but interesting sounding bullshit, but he can't even be arsed to do that and just sarcastically tells people to fuck off or gives them joke answers which the asperger archivists at Wookieepedia take 100% seriously, like claiming that "jamming sensors" in Plan 9 works the same way as it did in Spaceballs which is then followed by him whining about disliking scifi. So great choice there as usual Kennedy, putting a guy with zero interest in a brand outside of consooming toys and merch endlessly, in charge of story making.

He then basically says through this tweet how much he hates answering questions about lore and canon in general now despite that being his only claim to fame among Disney drones and eternal loyalists and requiring little effort on his part, and this also being the only reason these dorks even talk to him.
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Basically even toying with the idea of just linking the article when anyone asks him a question, effectively confirming Disney canon is not canon and io9's opinion is Disney approved. The sassy cunt then just mutes the whole thing and blocks any dissenters.

Now that the movies are over I guess he and the story group are no longer contractually obligated to pretend that they give a shit, much like how so many highly active Disney Wars drones and Wookieepedia's Disney elitists suddenly just disappeared back in January. All they want to do now is blog endlessly about themselves and get praise and attention for doing nothing.

Also this pretty much sums up the current and hollow state of the fandom and the brand:
 
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Not entirely - a friend mentioned to me that almost, if not the entire, lineup of upcoming Star Wars figures is exclusively OT.

And Hasbro's been sick of Disney's shit since TLJ when they had to eat the cost of all those unsold Elite Guards or whoever the red cloak people were because they didn't really DO anything in the film. It's why there are no figures of the equally pointless Knights of Ren.
That's incredibly sensible. I hope they do a small re-release of all the
characters that got choked out for the past few years. I don't blame the stores for not restocking the assortments after the real characters sold out, more than half the figures in the assortments will literally never sell. I'm glad Corona is kicking Disney right in the dick, Ollie's toy and book section have become a testament to how Disney has fucked over other businesses.
 
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