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The FDA is finally easing its restriction on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to 'urgent need'
I think I've seen version that it's all the risky blood people like tattoos, too?
 
The FDA is finally easing its restriction on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to 'urgent need'
Get the coof.
Die of the poz.
 
Two days of great weather in the land of brats and beer and safer at home is nonexistent. Just drove to a cemetery to walk my mutts and there's an insane amount of traffic and gaggles of people just wandering about. The sense I get is that everyone is taking all the precautions as a vacation and not a serious pandemic.
 
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Florida County translates things for the locals
 
I may be late on this one but...



This is a fucking war isn't it ? All of it.

Can't trust anything you order from China.

Hey, U.S. ! See those masks you outbid from France directly from China ?

You better be testing those masks for any kind of virus.... OR burn them, these chingchongs are smart (or evil) enough to fill 2 box out of 3 with untainted masks to spread it to your hospitals.

I'd rather manufacture ON SITE masks from cloth factories than take any shit China is sending now. Not a joke.

Everyone need to start using in-country production right now.

Especially after this :


and that :


China can't be trusted for shit, for nothing now, it's just an hostile nation to everybody else.
1. The Netherlands has recalled 600,000 coronavirus face masks it imported from China after discovering they were faulty (https://archive.vn/r5gDd#selection-649.5-649.122 )
2.COVID-19: Chinese companies selling defective test kits abroad (https://archive.vn/zW7Sx#selection-859.0-859.62 )
Our dumb horse-faced bint of a PM is simultaneously touting the fact that tested cases are not currently rising and crediting her too-little-too-late 'lockdown'.. while admitting that this is only occurring because testing is not happening widely enough. Very 'clever'.
Meanwhile, bureaucratic incompetence continues as usual.

It is currently considered 'essential work' to be growing avocadoes for urbanite Auckland wankers to eat on top of handmade soy bread.

It is not, however, allowed, that even one single solitary worker go out and water the 1.4 hectares (3.5 acres) of turf that has been grown at more than a million dollars expense to support the play of our national game of rugby at Eden Park. Probably the least dangerous job vs. a vs. coronavirus possible.. and even though someone at the appropriate government department said it was fine initially, they arbitrarily changed their minds and now all that investment and those jobs are written off. Thanks Jacinda, you stupid bitch.
1. Covid 19 coronavirus: Government set to move on regions with low test results (https://archive.vn/OhSV8 )
2.Coronavirus: Eden Park has to stop work on a new turf, receives apology for wrong advice (https://archive.vn/EBcLx)
I'm gonna do a bit of copy/pasta here on an article I found quite illuminating about the trickle down affect of our economy coming to a crashing halt:


Bold is me highlighting important parts. Warning, exceptional hatred of Communist/Socialist ahead




I am due for a new car soon, I think it's time to call up all the dealers in a 100mi radius and ask them for any returned leases that they want to sell...for cash.
Massive toilet paper shipment wiped out in fiery wreck ( https://archive.vn/yecyO )
At least one formerly influential Tory, Damian Green is saying we'll have to start treating them like the soviet union after all this shit is over. If someone who's now as impudent as Green felt safe writing this article, then you know he has a lot of other Tory MPs thinking the same.
have to start treating them like the soviet union after all this shit is over (https://archive.vn/2pSG)
the "86% die from a vent" number seems to come from here:

Caveat of that number: study was done in Wuhan, very small sample size of vent patients

Forgive me if I am late, I tried searching for this link in the thread to no avail

I'll paste the full article here:
Although at the time I wrote this over 33,000 people had died from COVID 19 infections worldwide, the numbers of patients dying in intensive care units and on mechanical ventilation is unknown.

We have some early published data on percentages which vary widely. A paper from China involved 710 Covid-19 patients; 52 were admitted to an ICU. Of the 22 who eventually required mechanical ventilation, 19 (86%) died. Another early study reported 31 of 32 (97%) mechanically ventilated patients died.

I posed the following question on Twitter: “What is the mortality rate for [COVID-19] patients who require mechanical ventilation?” and received answers ranging from 25% to 70% from people who have personal knowledge of outcomes in their hospitals.

Probably the best published information we have so far is from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Center (ICNARC) in the UK. Of 165 patients admitted to ICUs, 79 (48%) died. Of the 98 patients who received advanced respiratory support—defined as invasive ventilation, BPAP or CPAP via endotracheal tube, or tracheostomy, or extracorporeal respiratory support—66% died.

Compare that to the 36% mortality rate of non-COVID patients receiving advanced respiratory support reported to ICNARC from 2017 to 2019.

An article in The Guardian said this about the ICNARC study, “The high death rate raises questions about how effective critical care will be in saving the lives of people struck down by the disease.”

We know nothing about the survival rate of COVID-19 patients who have undergone cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Why do we need to know the mortality rate of patients who are on mechanical ventilation or suffer cardiac arrest?

If the number of critically ill patients exceeds the current supply of intensive care beds and ventilators as occurred in Italy, it would help intensivists to triage. And if CPR is ineffective in these patients, we should not be subjecting caregivers to the risks involved in resuscitation.

The possible need for ventilator triage is no longer theoretical, and the ethical issues are being discussed by hospital committees and others. For an in-depth look at the problem, I recommend this article from Undark, a non-profit digital magazine. If we run out of ventilators, “American medical teams, too, will soon face the hardest possible decisions over who lives, and who dies, when not everyone can be treated.”

Hospitals need to have policies in place before that crisis occurs.

Thanks to everyone on Twitter who contributed to the discussion. Stay safe.

Skeptical Scalpel is a retired surgeon and was a surgical department chair and residency program director for many years. He is board-certified in general surgery and a surgical sub-specialty and has re-certified in both several times.For the last 9 years, he has been blogging at SkepticalScalpel.blogspot.com and tweeting as @SkepticScalpel. His blog has had more than 3,700,000 page views, and he has over 21,000 followers on Twitter.

EDIT: clarifications
Mortality rate of COVID-19 patients on ventilators | Physician's Weekly (https://archive.vn/zlQaL)
Portugal gives migrants and asylum-seekers full citizenship rights during coronavirus outbreak


Portugal gives migrants and asylum-seekers full citizenship rights during coronavirus outbreak (https://archive.vn/Oj5ay)
Forget the wall, we need put a giant, plexiglass dome over Mexico

Coronavirus Is About To Explode In Mexico. It’s Time To Secure The Border (https://archive.vn/5bBH5#selection-251.0-251.73)
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Dammit, I used to visit ZeroHedge.com for my daily dose of doom porn, but it's so irritating now. Almost every single article is flooded with comments that it's all fake, it's just a flu or there is no coronavirus at all, and all the videos from NYC are staged. I guess the constant ambulances sounds in the city is also just fake (as reported by the New Yorkers I know). (The sounds are actually easy to fake, I admit, just run empty ambulances on the streets all the time).

How people can be so dumb?

Never read the comments at zerohedge. Its "Jew this jew that", paid china troll farms, morons, larpers, antifa true believers and random trolls from every nation under the sun.
 
The FDA is finally easing its restriction on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to 'urgent need'
Absolutely indefensible. Will any American claim that their government is run in their interest, now?
So long as its not fucking meters you muricans will measure using ANYTHING!
'Large alligator', like 'inch' is a far more comprehensible unit to human beings than a 'centimetre' or 'milligram'.
 
Peru president has ordered that women will only leave the house now certain days, and men, the others (except Sunday, we all are trapped inside Sunday).

Half of the country is laughing, the other is touching themselves because the president said "trans rights" (he said trans people would be respected... which open the gates for a lot of trolling).

The reality is that he hasn't yet bought any test or kit and we have no idea who is sick or not.

but trans rights.
 
The FDA is finally easing its restriction on gay and bisexual men donating blood due to 'urgent need'
Note to self: Avoid any needing any blood for the foreseeable future.
 
How are things going in the UK you may ask? Are things still fucked or have we hit Peak Fucked and are coasting downhill to unfuckedsville? I'm afraid to say things are still fucked and the fuckedness of them is still increasing at an exponential rate. No sign we've hit Peaked Fucked just yet. Maybe with a very powerful telescope, or possibly many very powerful telescopes and advanced image processing, Peaked Fucked could be blurrily visible off at an unimaginable distance like Sagittarius A*, but even that could just be a mirage.

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https://archive.vn/BfAdE

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It's not just america either. England's personal and business debt rates have been shocking in the last few years, most of europe is going further into debt, China's economy is balancing on a knife's edge, the youth of japan work insane hours with little to show for it, low income plagues the youth of australia, ece. It's everywhere, as the middle class jobs left and were filled by fragile service jobs, the means for the average joe to save money have dried up, and most joes were terrible with money int he first place.

There is going to be a huge spike in collections and bankruptcy when this is all over.
W.r.t. personal debt, I agree. Debt for anything other than house buying or genuine investment is a bad idea. But there's an awful lot of drip fed propaganda telling you it is the socially correct thing to do .

For business debt, it's not that simple. Money's been so cheap for so long that any sensible business had to borrow and try to invest, otherwise they'd be steamrollered by their competitors who did. If you've got two roughly equivalent businesses, and money is available at 5% interest the one who takes it and either invests internally, or goes on a spending spree will out compete Mr Slow and Steady. (If you can't make better return on capital that the recent interest rates, well you've got other problems.)
It's the same dynamic that moved all manufacturing to China. Even if a corporation's board wasn't "Stupid shortsighted and greedy" and didn't want to go to China because they foresaw the long term problems they had no choice. If their product is in any way generic or can be substituted by something that is made in China, they have to go also.

It's a free market trap that people have seen coming for years, yet nobody did anything because it would require similar legislation between all major industrial nations and the aquiescence of corporations. It would require a complete repudiation of the modern post cold war economic order.
Maybe that's coming.
 
Number of adults in the US with any of 6 chronic conditions* increasing risk for COVID-19 complications and the percentage of the total in each state; 2017 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System.

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Flattening the curve is not enough, we need to squash it: An explainer using a simple model - Australia
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Our results show that with a reproduction number of 2.4 and in the absence of a response to the epidemic, we can expect the majority of Australians to be infected by the end of winter 2020, with a peak expected in early July. Mitigation measures, as simulated in Scenario 2, dramatically reduce the rate of upswing of the epidemic curve, and delay its peak until early November. However, mitigation measures that only reduce the reproduction number to 1.6 have only a modest effect on the final number of people infected. Aiming for herd immunity and slowing the epidemic peak by 5 to 6 months will still overwhelm the health system (albeit by about 7-fold rather,than 16-fold) and the associated excess deaths would be unthinkable. We could do our best to protect the elderly from the illness to reduce deaths, but it is unlikely that we could avoid enormous numbers of fatalities even with moderate strategies in place that reduce the reproduction number to 1.6. On the other hand, slightly more stringent measures that reduce the reproduction number to 1.2 and maintain ICU case numbers below current capacity would extend the duration of the epidemic for more than two years, which seems an impractical strategy.

Management of Critically Ill Adults With COVID-19
For instance, concern for aerosolization with HFNC and NIPPV and a critical shortage of mechanical ventilators have led to consideration of helmet NIPPV as an alternative in centers with this resource. Additionally, a small single-center clinical trial (n = 83patients) has suggested decreased intubation and mortality with use of helmet NIPPV compared with face masks. Unfortunately,these investigations used a ventilator to deliver helmet NIPPV. NIPPV - Nasal Intermittent Positive Pressure Ventilation

COVID-19 pandemic in west Africa
Early comparisons between the number of confirmed cases in the worst affected European countries and the west African countries with confirmed COVID-19 cases do not support the hypothesis that the virus will spread more slowly in countries with warmer climates. In the case of west Africa, a rapid acceleration in the number of cases could quickly overwhelm already vulnerable health systems. Swift action to control further spread of the virus, and to improve the response capabilities of affected countries in west Africa is therefore urgent.

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs and covid-19 - ibuprofen and co.
Pragmatic trial evidence supports observational data suggesting that NSAIDs may cause more prolonged illness or complications when taken during respiratory tract infections.
What about trial evidence in primary care settings? A large trial (n=889) randomised patients presenting with respiratory tract infections to advice to take paracetamol, ibuprofen, or both.11 Re-consultations with new or unresolved symptoms or complications were documented in 12% of the paracetamol group and 20% of the ibuprofen group (adjusted risk ratio 1.67, 95% confidence interval 1.12 to 2.38 ). The 11 complications recorded in the ibuprofen group were quinsy, sinusitis (n=3), meningitis, pneumonia, otitis media (n=3), and progression or non-resolution of otitis media (n=2).
A second randomised trial in 3044 primary care patients gave half access to a website advising on self-management of respiratory tract infections, including advice to use NSAIDs.12 Multivariate analyses suggested that among participants who developed respiratory tract infections, those with access to the website had more prolonged illness than controls without access—that is, more days of illness rated moderately bad or worse (difference 0.52 days; 95% CI 0.06 to 0.97, P=0.026). The effect could not be explained by reporting bias or confounding by indication and was attenuated after the authors controlled for use of the ibuprofen web pages.
Pending further research, a pragmatic and cautionary approach would be for the public to avoid these plausible harms: regular NSAID use should probably not be recommended as the first line option for managing the symptoms of covid-19.

Covid and Antibodies - German Trans. Org.
No specific antibodies develop until the sixth day, after about 12 days they have been firstly observed in mild to moderate cases [15]; in between is the time of the so-called Seroconversion.
How long an immunity lasts is still unclear but;
From the related virus SARS-CoV it is known that antibodies can prevent re-infection for a duration of up to, three years. (Src -Wu L et al. (2007) )
 
Can we add Mexico to the poll? Because their dipshit leaders have basically been dousing the country in gasoline and Corona-Chan might be the match.

From your lips to my fingers. 👍 Done.

I don't even want to think of what's going to happen down there. Observation - we get a lot of produce/specialty foods from Mexico. Supplies from Mexico could be affected. A lot of "American-made" vehicles/parts are produced in Mexico. Believe that production will be affected, too.

Shit, I'm tired of thinking about what's going on here.



A question for the medical types, please. If someone has had an artificial heart valve installed, but doesn't have diabetes/cancer/anything else that isn't controlled, does that elevate the risk of getting the ChiCom Flu? Asking for a friend.
 
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