Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Bananasaurus]

This might be a little off-topic but speaking of 22 alters being impossible... While watching some of Cloe's stuff I learned that there is an Australian woman, Jeni Haynes, who was indeed horribly abused by her own father. She claims that she has 2,500 (!) alters and also does that roleplaying thing where each one of them has a defined age, career background and physical appearance. I am not denying that this woman didn't go through hell on earth, but with that many personalities in a single body, you'd have insane amnesia. If every single one was allowed half an hour, it would still take like 52 days to go through them all. There is just no way you would still be even semi-functional. Someone please explain to me how that is even supposed to work.

 

[shelived]

I'm quite skeptical of your account in regards to Pottergate as your bias is showing. I find it very hard to believe that someone who charges people thousands for a confirmation to 'make them feel comfortable' to pursue treatment has the best interests of his patients at heart. The fact that his diagnosis holds no weight with the NHS is particularly telling too. I don't buy this. Pottergate remains a scam in my opinion.
People with a very low score on the diagnostic test he offers for free are invited to pay for a consultation. That, combined with the fact that 90% of people come out with a diagnosis and 60% come out with a very rare diagnosis tells me all I need to know about Aquarone and his practice. The man is a charlatan.

Yeah i apologise, i am aware my account will be biased. I have tried my best to not be so pro-pottergate, but i see your point. I also wasn't aware that people with a very low score on the screening tests are recommended consultation. That is kinda worrying if that is true. I cannot say for certain what their intent is. I guess all i can say is for myself personally, the process was to narrow down and confirm what i suffer from so i felt comfortable pursuing a official psychiatric diagnosis and the correct treatment. I will also say in the defence of the statistics, that it is not 90% of random people with any mental health issue doing it for the sake of it, it would be 90% of people who were already actively pursuing diagnoses of some kind of dissociative disorder. And to be honest the prices they charge you, especially for the official diagnoses with the psychiatrist aswell, is a lot of money. So most people contacting pottergate are either very sure, or very desperate for a diagnosis. So it makes sense that most people who end up getting assessed do have some sort of dissociative disorder, because the cost and obscurity of the clinic narrows it down to people with dissociative symptoms that impact their daily life enough that they sought out, found and paid for the clinic. I will admit however that the 60% rate for DID specifically does some worryingly high.

What you've seen on YouTube is the fake side of DID. It just isn't possible to have 22 well developed people in your head or to have the ability to summon them at will to take a Pottermore

Possibily yeah. Its just hard to admit to myself that people would fake such a life-impacting disorder. I guess my head finds it easier to think maybeee they do somehow have that many rather than admit they are profiting of faking it.

 

[shelived]

This might be a little off-topic but speaking of 22 alters being impossible... While watching some of Cloe's stuff I learned that there is an Australian woman, Jeni Haynes, who was indeed horribly abused by her own father. She claims that she has 2,500 (!) alters and also does that roleplaying thing where each one of them has a defined age, career background and physical appearance. I am not denying that this woman didn't go through hell on earth, but with that many personalities in a single body, you'd have insane amnesia. If every single one was allowed half an hour, it would still take like 52 days to go through them all. There is just no way you would still be even semi-functional. Someone please explain to me how that is even supposed to work.

Yeah i have seen that i think, was it the woman who took her abuser to court and used her alters in court? If so that did confuse me a lot too. I cannot even comprehend it. You can have "fragments" within DID, which is is like 2D parts that only hold one exact memory or can do one exact action. Maybe the majority of her parts are fragments and not alters but it was exaggerated for the tv show? I'm sure with the amount of abuse she has had that she could of had over 2000 memorys of abuse, so maybe each fragment is just a part that holds each memory and that's it?

 

[comrade666]

This might be a little off-topic but speaking of 22 alters being impossible... While watching some of Cloe's stuff I learned that there is an Australian woman, Jeni Haynes, who was indeed horribly abused by her own father. She claims that she has 2,500 (!) alters and also does that roleplaying thing where each one of them has a defined age, career background and physical appearance. I am not denying that this woman didn't go through hell on earth, but with that many personalities in a single body, you'd have insane amnesia. If every single one was allowed half an hour, it would still take like 52 days to go through them all. There is just no way you would still be even semi-functional. Someone please explain to me how that is even supposed to work.

That has to be influenced by a therapist. How would she even have counted 2500? Did each one come forward with a name to be noted down? I've just looked into her and she has a PhD. Admirable, but as you said with that level of amnesia, how could that be possible? I've got no doubt she's traumatised but fuck whichever therapist encouraged her to come up with more and more characters.

I also wasn't aware that people with a very low score on the screening tests are recommended consultation. That is kinda worrying if that is true.

I linked my source earlier in the thread.

it is not 90% of random people with any mental health issue doing it for the sake of it, it would be 90% of people who were already actively pursuing diagnoses of some kind of dissociative disorder.

Regardless, that is a ridiculous number of people to be coming out with a diagnosis for a group of very rare disorders. If the waiting list is as long as you say then there are thousands of people being seen at this clinic many of whom have self referred with a specific diagnosis in mind. Many have taken a test that was initially designed to be administered by a professional. They have taken this test alone at home without guidance. Many of these people are taking the test with a specific diagnosis in mind which undoubtedly influences the results. Those who have even borderline scores are invited to pay for a consultation. Of those who are able to pay for a consultation, 90% come away with a diagnosis that by your own admission holds no real weight and is actually just a reassurance from a man not qualified to officially diagnose anyone. That is disturbingly high.

As you said, these people are actively pursuing a dissociative disorder diagnosis. Many will have been influenced by people like Chloe and Nan who dish out advice on how to get a diagnosis. Chloe herself was inspired by Jess of M&M another YouTuber. These people want to be diagnosed. The majority of self referrals are delusional or malingering.

So it makes sense that most people who end up getting assessed do have some sort of dissociative disorder, because the cost and obscurity of the clinic narrows it down to people with dissociative symptoms that impact their daily life enough that they sought out, found and paid for the clinic.

It doesn't make sense. The clinic is not obscure. It is mentioned by the majority of DID social media influencers with large audiences. It is mentioned in countless blog posts. Reddit, Tumblr, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook. Chloe herself was inspired to go there by Jess and by Facebook support groups she joined. Middle class parents worried about their children will pay for anything. We saw that with Chloe, and you yourself admitted that you were helped to pay. And if we're limiting this treatment to those who are able to afford it only, then the number of people leaving with a diagnosis should be considerably lower shouldn't it? As it would be unusual for such a specific group to all have dissociative disorders? How is it then, that such an elite group of people with enough disposable income, should have such a high rate of dissociative disorders? The 'exclusivity' of access to the clinic does not actually work in favour of Pottergate. The exclusivity should mean they would be far less likely to see so many patients who qualified for a diagnosis of, again, very rare disorders.

Possibily yeah. Its just hard to admit to myself that people would fake such a life-impacting disorder. I guess my head finds it easier to think maybeee they do somehow have that many rather than admit they are profiting of faking it.

If you've read this thread and still doubt that people fake these disorders then I really don't know what more I can say to you.

 

[BScaller!]

And if we're limiting this treatment to those who are able to afford it only, then the number of people leaving with a diagnosis should be considerably lower shouldn't it? As it would be unusual for such a specific group to all have dissociative disorders? How is it then, that such an elite group of people with enough disposable income, should have such a high rate of dissociative disorders? The 'exclusivity' of access to the clinic does not actually work in favour of Pottergate. The exclusivity should mean they would be far less likely to see so many patients who qualified

I agree 100% the number/percentage of people who walk away with a diagnosis shouldn't be so astronomically high, especially given how money plays a huge factor in who is even seen. Furthermore, poor or less well off children would be more likely to develop DID as statistically these are households with a higher rate of abuse and stress levels within living conditions and inability to afford the nessessities a young child needs to have a health upbringing. (Of course not in every case)

 

[Prætextatus]

Jesus, that fucking Nan video today was a hot train wreck from start to finish. It had everything: Riven's terrible accent, Nadia bawling about another dead girlfriend, and a brand new alter... who happens to be a magical animatronic doll that doesn't have emotions. Who wants to bet Wendy learns how to get in touch with her fee-fees and dates Nadia? Third time's the charm, eh? It's like a terrible fucking fanfic. If Nan is so unstable that her alters are splitting off and multiplying, she needs to be in a fucking strait jacket, not uploading videos to YouTube.

 

[Sperghetti]

It doesn't make sense. The clinic is not obscure. It is mentioned by the majority of DID social media influencers with large audiences. It is mentioned in countless blog posts. Reddit, Tumblr, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook. Chloe herself was inspired to go there by Jess and by Facebook support groups she joined.

Just wanted to add, this is also exactly the same thing we see with the general Munchausen-by-internet crowd over and over again: People in the social media communities will promote specific clinics or doctors who are known to hand out the desired diagnosis like candy.

Somebody runs across the community, becomes convinced they have chronic lyme disease or whatever, and is recommended to see a certain chronic lyme specialist who diagnoses them with (surprise!) chronic lyme. Then they go back to the community and join the chorus of other munchies who went through so many doctors before they were correctly diagnosed by Dr. Nick.

A provider who gives the vast majority of their self-referred patients the same rare diagnosis is suspicious enough in the first place. Being actively promoted by an online group dedicated to glorifying and obsessing over that diagnosis does nothing to add to their credibility.

 

[BanyaHat]

Oh my god, I'm so happy this fake bitch has her own thread.

There's a subreddit called r/DIDcringe that's lately (in spite of the name) become overrun with Tumblr-esque idiots faking DID themselves, and they seem to love and worship this girl.

 

[Bitchy Witchy]

I recommend watching pt.2 first if you haven’t seen it

 

[comrade666]

Chloe's Tik Tok
Nan's Tik Tok

Chloe spends most of her time making sexual innuendos and flirting with Fragmented Psyche. Occasionally, she memes on her trauma and makes edgy alter content. She has a lot of Funny and Relatable Abused in Childhood content. She also 'flashes' her audience and acts shocked about it at one point. A little dash of 'am I a dominatrix or a sub' content too.
Nan's Tik Tok is painful to watch and has me convinced she is a certified rctard. She seems to be in the habit of scrunching her face up to make her nose look hooked and I can't decide if it's deliberate. Based on her kinks, I'd say so. I'd also encourage her to start a GoFundMe to afford glasses that actually fit so she can stop looking like the old man from Up but that's just me. Her content is mostly her rolling around on the floor pretending to be a cat.

Here are some highlights.

Spoiler

 

[Bitchy Witchy]

I have severe second hand embarrassment, and I haven’t even made it to Nans Tik Tok yet.

 

[Cooking Mama]

Just a gentle suggestion: you guys shouldn’t power level/TMI too heavily as it can be used against you either by people on this site or off. This site may be anonymous and glorious leader and the mods are pretty quick to catch WKs and cows attempting to dox, but there is a reason people use VPN clients and TOR to access the farms. So far, most of the PL has been vague, but still be careful! Mama wouldn’t want to see anyone get hurt by the more trollish farmers!

Anyways. Pour one out for the homie Lacy, damn.

I have severe second hand embarrassment, and I haven’t even made it to Nans Tik Tok yet.

Agreed. I’m cringing my way through them, wondering what’s become of my life where I’m watching a cow’s tiktok while eating dinner.

 

[comrade666]

I have severe second hand embarrassment, and I haven’t even made it to Nans Tik Tok yet.

I spared you from some of the more spergy accounts they've dueted with but if you really want some second hand embarrassment you should look into Nan's friend aprilhijacked.

Just a gentle suggestion: you guys shouldn’t power level/TMI too heavily as it can be used against you either by people on this site or off. This site may be anonymous and glorious leader and the mods are pretty quick to catch WKs and cows attempting to dox, but there is a reason people use VPN clients and TOR to access the farms. So far, most of the PL has been vague, but still be careful! Mama wouldn’t want to see anyone get hurt by the more trollish farmers!

Anyways. Pour one out for the homie Lacy, damn.




Agreed. I’m cringing my way through them, wondering what’s become of my life where I’m watching a cow’s tiktok while eating dinner.

Blessed Mama. Generally speaking, there is no good reason not to use a VPN even when browsing elsewhere these days. Though I'm one in a long line of indistinguishable commies and my dox would be underwhelming, I still practice basic security. Everyone should, particularly if they plan on mocking autists or throwing the n-word around with reckless abandon.

As for Lacy, I'm sure she'll come out of her attic for a dramatic plot twist in the season finale.

 

[im_here_for_number_5]

Guess she doesn't need the cane anymore.

 

[Cyber Goose]

Omg this is legit just some weird Tumblr role-playing shit rn.

If DID is real they wouldn't have time or presence of mind to change outfits and makeup...

 

[heterotic]

Lacy, who integrated from Ace (the slave alter who was kidnapped and held hostage in an imaginary basement in Nan's head) and Leslie (the lesbian lover of Nadia, Chloe's Native American alter) has become dormant. In the video description, Nan claims that this is like being in a coma. Condolences to Nadia.

Lacy integrated against her will last year and has been struggling with that. This is controversial in itself as many within the DID community, including Jess from Multiplicity and Me, claim that integration cannot happen against your will.

In February this year, Lacy split into Wendy and another version of Lacy before promptly going dormant. Before she went dormant, Nan let her front. Chloe let Nadia front. They had an emotional goodbye as described by Nadia herself at 04:11. Interestingly, Chloe says that when Lacy 'went to sleep' there was no one in Nan's body for a while. How is that possible?

Back to Nan, and she says that when Lacy split there was an earthquake in the inner world. Lacy is now trapped in an attic that no one can access. This is the same alter who was held hostage in a basement in the inner world albeit with a new name.

Wendy, the new alter, is a magically animated mechanical doll who has no emotions. She wears a blue cloak. She is not human. I cannot fucking believe these people have the balls to lie like this. Remarkable.

How anyone believes any of this to be anything other than pure fantasy and fiction is ALSO remarkable.

RE: the TikToks, I couldn't get past the Gnarls Barkley one. Unreal how they make light of literally every aspect of the disorder they spew to take seriously.

His diagnoses does not hold much weight within NHS, however, the center does acknowledge that and make it known to anybody requesting assessment from the. They ask if you are seeking to receive NHS treatment after his assessment if so he does make it very clear before you agree/pay that you will need a psychiatrist to confirm his diagnosis for NHS too accept it. His diagnoses is more of a confirmation from a specialist for people suffering but also questioning and unsure, to help reassure them, so that they can feel comfortable and confident pursuing the correct diagnoses/treatment, whether that be NHS or private. And although his opinion is not official within NHS, he is a respected and well-known psychotherapist within the community, so if you wish/can afford to pay for treatment privately then a "diagnosis" from him can open a lot of doors for treatment from private specialists of dissociative disorders within the uk. He will also write letters of recommendations for people to give to their GP for treatment. He offers these letters completely free of charge after you have done the free screening tests. So the center is genuinely trying to help people, but yes his diagnoses alone is will not hold much weight officially.

I don't believe that the center is genuinely trying to help everyone. At least not anyone that they can stick a shaky dissociative diagnosis on.

Yes they do. Its just slow and not guaranteed the CCG's will accept it. And yeah i think she just has not explained it well/fully. There is no NHS guidelines for the treatment of any dissociative disorder, so the NHS themselves and their staff do not have any treatment specifically for DID or DPDR or anything. However, they do accept referrals to fund treatment and/or assessments at certain private clinics that specialize in dissociative/trauma-based disorders. I believe Pottergate and the London clinic are the only two. And yes i had an assessment with him. He seemed very genuine with me, asked a lot of questions for over 3 hours, seemed really in-depth. I am happy to answer any specific questions about it all though and i will try and be as unbiased as i can.

You are correct that there are no guidelines for treatment for dissociative disorders specifically, but there are for other well-documented trauma-based disorders, like PTSD. You can read studies of successful treatment of Dissociative Disorders using therapies used in both bpd and PTSD.

Spoiler: Quick and dirty literature critique

The first study is a literature review of neuroimaging studies on general dissociative disorders. DID itself has the smallest section of the paper, with only 2 paragraphs and no figures. They say right off the gate that neuroimaging studies of DID have inconsistent results and end the section with a study that finds no functional difference in working memory between DID patients and healthy controls. The only relevant supporting study cited found abnormal fluctuations in cerebral blood flow, around the orbitofrontal cortex which actually looks legit.

The second study was designed to test a new empirical measurement of integration for tracking the progress of DID treatment. Only 11 participants, all female, heavily relied on self-report with only a little observational inference. Quality of study aside, it has little to do with the question at hand (neurological/psychological basis of DID), and its main finding is that integration might not be linked to time in therapy.

Third study was a comparison of hippocampal volume between patients with DID, PTSD, and healthy controls. The study found decreased volume as well as abnormal anatomy of hippocampus in DID patients compared to the controls, particularly in the CA2 and CA4-DG region. The CA2 region is responsible for time processing and social memory, while the CA4-DGregion is responsible for spacial awareness and plays a role in pattern recognition. While this does show a significant difference in neuroanatomy in DID patients, the study is limited to the hippocampus, which mainly tells us about spacial awareness and some aspects of working memory. This lends credence to the idea of dissociative amnesia, but, frankly, that's not what's being called into question.

The fourth paper is a case study of a woman who claims she can voluntary and rapidly switch between alters. Ever word of that last sentence raises massive red flags on its credibility. They found activation primarily in sensory-motor areas of the brain (due to the subject scrunching her face when "switching"), as well as activation in the nucleus accumbens, which plays a role in the reward and reinforcement system. Given that they didn't report any other changes in brain function, I'd say this finding is more consistent with Munchhausen's than anything else. I wonder if other scientists laugh at these researchers behind their backs?

The last paper is the most legitimate source, and I don't see any glaring issues with it. An fMRI scan of diagnosed DID patients found significant increase in activity around the temporal gyrus, dorsomedial prefrontal cortex, and the orbitofrontal cortex, which handles auditory/language processing, sense-of-self, and context-specific responding, respectively. Pretty much exactly what you'd expect if you're assuming DID is true. I'll go over this one closer later, but it looks like I'll have to mark this one as legitimate.

Thank you so much for this detailed breakdown. My question is really about the last study. It seems that studies like this specifically exclude DID and control patients who are suspected or diagnosed with HPD. Shouldn't this work be done for HPD, as well, since they are the ones faking symptoms like this? What about other dissociative disorders and trauma-based disorders which don't present as full fledged people that we feel aren't reconcilable? What kind of DID presentations were these?

It feels like it lacks depth considering the implications of what we see in the media with fabrications.

That has to be influenced by a therapist. How would she even have counted 2500? Did each one come forward with a name to be noted down?

I watched this documentary and the doctor said that he uncovered "more than half of them". Which is especially gross, considering the heinous abuse she suffered for her entire childhood by her father.

I believe Pottergate and the London clinic are the only two. And yes i had an assessment with him. He seemed very genuine with me, asked a lot of questions for over 3 hours, seemed really in-depth.

Correct, only 2 facilities in an entire country will give this bogus assessment because it is not accepted by the psychiatry community as a proper diagnostic tool.

The fact that you think asking 3 hours of questions is an in-depth process to diagnose something as complex as DID is really concerning. It takes weeks, and sometimes months for psychiatrists to diagnose far more understood and well-studied issues.

Yeah i apologise, i am aware my account will be biased. I have tried my best to not be so pro-pottergate, but i see your point. I also wasn't aware that people with a very low score on the screening tests are recommended consultation. That is kinda worrying if that is true. I cannot say for certain what their intent is. I guess all i can say is for myself personally, the process was to narrow down and confirm what i suffer from so i felt comfortable pursuing a official psychiatric diagnosis and the correct treatment. I will also say in the defence of the statistics, that it is not 90% of random people with any mental health issue doing it for the sake of it, it would be 90% of people who were already actively pursuing diagnoses of some kind of dissociative disorder. And to be honest the prices they charge you, especially for the official diagnoses with the psychiatrist aswell, is a lot of money. So most people contacting pottergate are either very sure, or very desperate for a diagnosis. So it makes sense that most people who end up getting assessed do have some sort of dissociative disorder, because the cost and obscurity of the clinic narrows it down to people with dissociative symptoms that impact their daily life enough that they sought out, found and paid for the clinic. I will admit however that the 60% rate for DID specifically does some worryingly high.

Possibily yeah. Its just hard to admit to myself that people would fake such a life-impacting disorder. I guess my head finds it easier to think maybeee they do somehow have that many rather than admit they are profiting of faking it.

To be quite honest with you, a lot of what you say, and since your entire posting history is located here, it feels like you are here to defend Pottergate and the idea that DID is MPD by another name: it's not.

A 54% diagnostic rate for a disorder affecting less than 1% of the population is not just "worryingly" high: it's evidence that the assessments are not reliable. You mention that it's not 90% of random people, neither is any other psychiatrist or psychologist's diagnostic prevalence. The difference is that with Pottergate, people go in seeking a dissociative diagnosis, they take an assessment that concludes that 54% of them have the rarest dissociative disorder there is. It's ludicrous. When psychiatrists talk about scanning for DID, and other dissociative disorders, they caution that everyone dissociates, making it very easy to find false positives with these disorders. They specifically point to finding significant, prolonged childhood trauma, which they point out is overwhelmingly sexual abuse, and if there isn't any evidence of any, to refer to other possible ailments. The diagnostic prevalence at Pottergate is overwhelmingly high because they ignore the limiting factor of sustained childhood trauma.

That's hard for you to admit because you got your own dispensed assessment from the very place that hands the diagnosis out like candy.

 

[Jackherer]

Those tests are far from reliable.
It'd be so easy to get a diagnosis of DID even if you definitely don't have it.
I feel like something like DID can't be unconvered in a few hours, filling out forms.

To me it just seems like it's the current trendy diagnosis. Before it was BPD, before than Anorexia. Honestly every few years there seems to be some sort of mental illness that a bunch of people like to romanticise for whatever sick reason

 

[onlysimps]

To be quite honest with you, a lot of what you say, and since your entire posting history is located here, it feels like you are here to defend Pottergate and the idea that DID is MPD by another name: it's not.

A 54% diagnostic rate for a disorder affecting less than 1% of the population is not just "worryingly" high: it's evidence that the assessments are not reliable. You mention that it's not 90% of random people, neither is any other psychiatrist or psychologist's diagnostic prevalence. The difference is that with Pottergate, people go in seeking a dissociative diagnosis, they take an assessment that concludes that 54% of them have the rarest dissociative disorder there is. It's ludicrous. When psychiatrists talk about scanning for DID, and other dissociative disorders, they caution that everyone dissociates, making it very easy to find false positives with these disorders. They specifically point to finding significant, prolonged childhood trauma, which they point out is overwhelmingly sexual abuse, and if there isn't any evidence of any, to refer to other possible ailments. The diagnostic prevalence at Pottergate is overwhelmingly high because they ignore the limiting factor of sustained childhood trauma.

That's hard for you to admit because you got your own dispensed assessment from the very place that hands the diagnosis out like candy.

This is the main reason I don't believe Chloe has DID. That clinic really does just hand out this diagnosis to every Tom, Dick and Harry that walks in there with semi-plausible acting skills.

 

[WeirdFish]

I knew that wasn't me eating all that chocolate at night, it was my fat alter Augustus Gloop.

For real though by her own admission she has only ever missed 4 uploads in her Youtube life, for having a severe mental illness that's pretty fucking good going. All 22 of them have a excellent upload schedule lol such fucking bullshit man.

Nan is a fucking freak and that sneezing shit CREEPED ME OUT, especially with my hay-fever playing up at the moment I did not need to know that was a thing, I am definitely taking double dose of antihistamine from now on for sure.

Listen, I can understand young teens playing this game for a bit of attention dying their hair blue and making cringy Tik Toks to emo music showing their Angry Alter or whatever, but then growing the fuck up and dying from embarrassment when they look back. These people are 20 and 30 the cringe I feel watching those videos and Tik Toks is NEXT level.

 

[heavycream]

Of course, all 22 of them are eager, willing and able (particularly the children who probably wouldn't know how to use a computer at their age) to participate in and upload to her Youtube channel, and don't just, you know, go completely apeshit when they find themselves at the business end of a camera at random.