Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Here's another collection of videos that some of you might find interesting:

Eerie footage. This guy rode the London metro. The stations and wagons are deserted:


Remember that female nurse from NYC filming the chaos at her unit and their lack of supplies and equipment? She now has Covid-19


Interview with a doctor in Seattle:


I told you guys they are gonna bail out the airlines. Here you go:


Too many cities and countries around the world have come to depend on tourism generated by cheap charter flights for them to discontinue those. They are going to be bailed out, as happened a decade ago.

People are now breaking in and stealing alcohol from bars (to drink or to use for santitation is anyone's guess):


Good point from this WHO representative propagandist: "Given that there is no cure, why is testing so important?". Most people who are tested positive do not receive any special treatment. If they are mild they're just told to stay home and bunker up:


Native-Americans are fucked:


Aboriginals are fucked too:


There's even Covid-19 in the Amazon rainforest FFS:


more later...



See some of the videos I posted above. Aboriginals are getting it, Native Americans, it's even in the Amazon rainforest now.




She is following the Naomi Klein playbook. Look at this fucking video Klein did for The Intercept where she proceeded to plug Dem idiots like AOC and Ilhan Omar. I guess leftists are OK with shock doctrine tactics as long it's their side exploiting a crisis to get the things they want:




Tip for those of you looking for videos on Youtube: use both "Coronavirus" and "Covid-19" as separate search terms, you will get different search results for each term.



6 out of 10 workers live hand to mouth with no savings whatsoever? I refuse to believe that. They have to have credit cards, or a stuffed sock full of cash that they hide under their bed. They have to have some money stashed somewhere. They understandably just don't want to use it up for the lockdown when they were secretly saving it up for something else.

Their credit cards were maxed out before Corona hit.

Consider 10 percent as being legitimately poor. Now think of the intelligence and foresight of the average American, and realize the rest of these paycheck-to-paycheck tards are below average, and it makes sense.
 
Herd immunity would easily overwhelm the healthcare system. If everyone gets the virus all at once, then the likelihood of a very large death toll is really high. Not necessarily because of the virus itself, but because far less people would be able to receive the proper treatment, as the hospitals would be severely overcrowded. We also need to take into consideration of all of the other medical emergencies that people still go through, like heart attacks, strokes, accidents, etc. Herd immunity would lead to a lot of COVID-19-related deaths along with collateral damage full of sick people with non-COVID-19-related problems. With herd immunity, we're talking about the likelihood of a devastating amount of deaths around the globe-- we're talking in the tens of millions, easily.

If you slow down the spread of the virus, though, then that gives the hospitals more capability to treat more people if they're coming down with the virus one at a time instead of all at once. More patients would receive the treatment they needed, thus lowering the death toll considerably.

That said, the whole concept of nationwide lockdowns and mandated quarantines aren't the greatest method either. You need some people to catch the virus to start building an immunity. If everyone succumbed to the fully draconian measures ... Well, firstly, it wouldn't work because you just can't keep everybody fully isolated and protected (especially in densely populated areas like New York City), and secondly, the draconian measures wouldn't allow enough of the population to develop an immunity or antibodies (so a proper vaccine would be really difficult to make in a timely fashion at that point). Every time a mandated quarantine would be over, the outbreaks would have many more phases and many more spikes in cases, and so we'd be getting back to square one multiple times, I think. Just like herd immunity, draconian measures aren't the answer either, in my opinion.

Promoting and encouraging self-quarantine and social distancing for those who can stay home, though? Promoting self-quarantine for those most vulnerable? Yes, I think that this is the best, least devastating solution. It slows down the progression of the virus considerably while also allowing a good chunk of the (hopefully low risk) people to be exposed to it, thus eventually creating antibodies and then a vaccine in a timely fashion. This is not only the least deadly option, but also probably the fastest, as it actually gives doctors the time and resources to develop a vaccine in the quickest amount of time possible.

The Washington Post published an article that explained things pretty well, I think. It came out almost a month ago (and I know I've posted it here already, but why not share the link again since the last time I posted it was several hundred pages ago).

In Australia, the PM (well I'm not sure it's his plan, but his "experts" plans - more on them later)'s plan is to lock down Australia, lock down every state, lock down every person "6 months or longer" or until vaccine is found.

As of the other day, we freed up the private sector's hospital beds. So we're at 7500 ICU beds with 4000 extra available. Maybe something like an additional 50k normal hospital beds added.
We have 50 people in ICU. 50. And we've been locked down for 2 weeks, cases are minimal, 24 deaths nationwide.
Testing more per capita than any other nation. Positive results come back at about a 1.5% rate atm.
Community transmission is at about 20-26 cases per day and a lot of that is "community transmission" because we have a lot of backpackers who are lying about their movements and are infecting themselves on purpose.
We have had this virus in our country since Jan 26. So we've had it a long time.

So, even if we hit "peak", we'd have enough ventilators and ICU beds for that peak. When you get intubated or on ECMO, you're toast anyway. Your bed will free up asap as soon as you die. Harsh, but true.

However, all of this overabundance of caution is having a terrible knock on effect.
Massive unemployment, police getting abused and already sick to death of having to enforce these insane laws, businesses shuttering. People are already sick of it. We've more than flattened the curve - we've sat on it and punched it in the face.

So, the plan - the plan from the experts is quote "If I could freeze everyone in place so that they cannot move for the next 2 weeks and everyone is perfectly 6 feet apart, I'd be happy". - One of the leading "experts".

Now, to counter this bullshit, other leading experts are being ignored. I have a relative who works in infectious disease research who is trying to scream from the rooftops about what's actually going on.
Her research lab is shut down. They were working on serology tests. She's been told go home, do paperwork. We'll let you know.
They've shut REGULAR pathology labs down. If you have cancer, well, you're shit out of luck. Heart disease? Ditto.
Nothing but emergency hospital admissions overflow. Which is odd. Because there's no overflow.
A lot of GPs are mad as hell, because what are they supposed to do? Shutter? I asked my friend who is a GP what she will do and she's like it's ridiculous, they won't even take cancer screening paths. Nothing.
They shut down elective surgery (elective surgery means everything, everything that isn't a do it now emergency, so it's not so elective.) Dentistry. 3 months at LEAST.

That makes no sense. It's bracing for an impact that's not coming.

Other infectious disease experts have been told basically "Shut up, what would you know", whilst the left leaning Grattan Institute is being pushed to the forefront. Prof Raina MacIntyre of the UNSW seems to be getting quite the say and she's involved with the Grattan Institute and the left leaning website the conversation.

Guess who's a massive investor in the UNSW? Tiny eyes and a tiny surprise. China.
Raina's idea is complete lockdown, 6-8 weeks, stay in your houses. Do not leave.

Except, that's not really her plan. It's more "until a vaccine is found". So Australia is shut off until a vaccine is found.
Hospitals will sit empty because we're all locked in our houses. Elective surgeries will not happen. Cancer treatments are already being turned away.

So you get the level to zero and you sit in your house til you get a vaccine?

But what about the treatments - Antiviral, Antibody, BCG or HC treatments? Not much is mentioned about them in Australia. In fact, most virologists are against it, because they hate Trump. That's literally their reason.

I interviewed one doctor today who's opinion is that Australians should be punished and taught that when told to jump, they should ask how high - even if there's no medical benefit to it. It was such an insane conversation.

Add to this, they're spazzing about "muh flu season". There won't BE a flu season if everyone is on lockdown like this and there is NOTHING whatsoever, at all, anywhere to suggest that hot weather or cold weather makes an impact. At all.
The Philippines are being hard hit atm and they're having 30+ days.

So, basically, lockdowns/social distancing have "some" effect, but it seems to be a massive, massive cost. It's effectively putting numbers on paper that looks nice, but refusing to acknowledge the higher cost economically, socially and medically to everyone else.

Bad tactics, but some people like Raina, have made motives.

Oh, I forgot to add. Social distancing works if it means shutting businesses or fining tradies eating kebabs - but guess what? Over Easter, don't worry so much about that. Go to Church!

Last weekend, The Queensland Gov didn't care about social distancing at all, held their elections and said social distancing doesn't need to be enforced. Made employees sit in cubicles 2 feet apart.

They also gave themselves - gov employees - a pay rise the other day, whilst putting everyone out of work.
 
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zithro+chloro no longer being given as a standard here. they're using kaletra* +remdesivir. ICU working on everyone prone once they have SoB. Some more people with seizures, confusion so we are back to quick scan of the brain prior to brief sampling at autopsy. (drug changes due to numbers from UW/hutch)

no more to update - numbers still going up. should calm this coming week, it'll have been over two weeks since stay-home orders then.

*wrong, tocilizumab, not kaletra

also: med shortage - propofol, fent, 'pams, and morphine
 
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The first thing that comes to my mind when I read this was sweat/perspiration being the potential cause of the spread ... Which completely falls into the guidelines we've all been told about washing our hands and social distancing already.

If this is actually true though, then Summer might actually be a more dangerous time of the year for this virus to spread.

I'm taking this with a grain of salt, though. It's one doctor that went to ONE family's house. Maybe the house is cleaned regularly and they're doing as they are told about disinfecting stuff? And the other places he went to are probably disinfecting everything, too.

This whole study could determine that disinfecting stuff actually works in killing the virus on hard surfaces, rather than determining that the virus could be passed through perspiration or something.
 
Apologies if this has already been shared.

https://archive.is/pRW3a

Link to the live site

A lot of people have been asking the question when is this going to end. This dashboard gives projections with the same data used by the White House. Allows you to drill down to specific US states, exceptionally clear visualization of infection, utilization and mortality rates.

The data assumes government mandated lockdown in all 50 states. It's updated once every few days, don't expect to get historical projections for comparison.

While the data is fairly objective, don't expect everyone to understand the significance of the projections. I've gotten blowback - mostly partisan Dems - for sharing it through some peer networks, most of the criticisms are that the data is inaccurate because we don't know the actual number of infections / don't have good testing.

The data is more of a bellweather to see how different approaches are working out. Some states have not issued stay at home orders, will be interesting to see how real-life outcomes compare with projections. An oddsmaker could probably form a market with just this info.
 
I know it's an opinion article, but Daniel Greenberg is a good read.

The FDA issued its final hand sanitizer rule just last year. This rule finalized the FDA's "tentative final monograph" on hand sanitizer from 1994.


That’s 25 years from "tentative final monograph" to the final rule for alcohol and water in gel form.


Purell was founded in the forties by Goldie and Jerry Lippman: a nice Jewish couple who were trying to solve a wartime problem. Jerry mixed the first batches in his mother-in-law's washing machine. The combination of their names, Gojo, is the company that makes Purell. Goldie died in 1972 and Jerry, who had grown up with his father selling vegetables from a horse and wagon, made it to this century.


But Jerry died long before the FDA ever got around to issuing its final hand sanitizer rule.


Generations passed, countless millions were born and died, wars were fought and won, the television, the microchip, and the telecommunications satellite transformed the world. And finally, the FDA finalized its very final rule on using alcohol to sterilize your hands. A practice dating back to Rome.

25 years to understand hand sanitizer? That seems insane. I'd love to hear what the reasons for the delay were. What the hell goes into an FDA monograph anyway?
(I hope that's not too long a quote from the article for Null. Forgive me Doglord if I have sinned)
 
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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1246004116888915968 (http://archive.vn/7ARSk)
 
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Lol


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new debate erupted Thursday when Health Minister Yaakov Litzman, a powerful ultra-Orthodox politician meant to lead the battle against the virus, was confirmed to be infected.

This forced Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the ministry’s director general and reportedly the head of the Mossad spy agency, into quarantine because of exposure to Litzman.

Double LOL. The Health Minister is a religious hardliner who hates science.


25 years to understand hand sanitizer? That seems insane. I'd love to hear what the reasons for the delay were. What the hell goes into an FDA monograph anyway?

Billions of dollars of FDA budget.
 
Apologies if this has already been shared.

https://archive.li/pRW3a

Link to the live site

A lot of people have been asking the question when is this going to end. This dashboard gives projections with the same data used by the White House. Allows you to drill down to specific US states, exceptionally clear visualization of infection, utilization and mortality rates.

The data assumes government mandated lockdown in all 50 states. It's updated once every few days, don't expect to get historical projections for comparison.

While the data is fairly objective, don't expect everyone to understand the significance of the projections. I've gotten blowback - mostly partisan Dems - for sharing it through some peer networks, most of the criticisms are that the data is inaccurate because we don't know the actual number of infections / don't have good testing.

The data is more of a bellweather to see how different approaches are working out. Some states have not issued stay at home orders, will be interesting to see how real-life outcomes compare with projections. An oddsmaker could probably form a market with just this info.

So partisan Dems are REEEEEing at these graphs because they think it doesn't look as bad as it could or should? It's like they're hoping for absolute devastation. This graph is projecting that things will get back to normal nationally by July (how hilarious would it be if things were back to normal by Independence Day?). That's definitely a better outlook than the lefty doomsayers that are saying this is going to be our lives for 18 months.

Also ... The amount of testing in the US has improved greatly over the past two weeks. It's going to improve even more in the upcoming weeks, especially with the test that was created a handful of days ago, where you get the results in minutes.

It's also nice that Trump declined the tests from the WHO (which probably means the tests are from China). It means that our actual numbers are going to be relatively accurate in the near future ... Also means that we may have avoided many new cases by not risking the use of contaminated tests. No thank you, China.

Anyway, I'm bookmarking this. I'm really interested in seeing how accurate or inaccurate this ends up being, considering how each state is handling it. I love how they have the different graphs by state, too.
 
A short update from my small hole in the US.

My neighbor is a physical therapist who works at a hospital. She's been repurposed into a support role for clinicians during this period. We talk from a distance as things play out.

Her hospital got their first 2 cases on Wednesday. The place lit up with panic, nurses were crying in the hallways, the people who run the morgue started calling out sick, the canteen shut down for everything but bottled and prepackaged items. It got so bad the Clinical Chairs already banned the use of personal cell phones on premises because everyone was constantly messaging their families to tell them what's happening.

The hospital has a supply of the malaria drug, many people have been taking it as a preventative. She said it made her constipated and gave her cotton mouth, said she felt a little hung over after starting on it but feels fine now. She doesn't know for sure but believes both patients were given the drug, one left the hospital the same day and the other is in isolation. She seems convinced it's effective when given early.

The one thing they don't have a lot of is hand sanitizer. The hospital sent much of their supply to New York a week ago and they haven't received a resupply. Part of her job right now is sourcing more, she's afraid they will run out before May.

No new cases since Wednesday. She says the mood is dire and the entire staff is terrified. She's a liberal and thinks the panic is overblown, people are so scared they're not doing their job. She doesn't know what will happen if the number of cases escalates.
 
So partisan Dems are REEEEEing at these graphs because they think it doesn't look as bad as it could or should? It's like they're hoping for absolute devastation. This graph is projecting that things will get back to normal nationally by July (how hilarious would it be if things were back to normal by Independence Day?). That's definitely a better outlook than the lefty doomsayers that are saying this is going to be our lives for 18 months.

Also ... The amount of testing in the US has improved greatly over the past two weeks. It's going to improve even more in the upcoming weeks, especially with the test that was created a handful of days ago, where you get the results in minutes.

It's also nice that Trump declined the tests from the WHO (which probably means the tests are from China). It means that our actual numbers are going to be relatively accurate in the near future ... Also means that we may have avoided many new cases by not risking the use of contaminated tests. No thank you, China.

Anyway, I'm bookmarking this. I'm really interested in seeing how accurate or inaccurate this ends up being, considering how each state is handling it. I love how they have the different graphs by state, too.
The PP's been doing the same thing, intermitently going between hardcore reeing about lack of guvernmental action and reeing about how it's not as bad as it would need to be for guvernmental action to take place. One second "MUH BIG BIZ FALLS CUZ CORONA EVUL!" The next "MUH GOV PUNISHES US TOO MUCH CUZ COMMIES! CORONAVIRUS NOTHINGBURGUR!" Thing the Dems and PP got in common? Globalist ideology and connections to business with ties to china. That's what. I believe this might be a chink complot, for real. Thankfuly over here even the right wing is just responding by drifting away from the PP. I hope the left over there can do the same. If they can't... well they have serious brain issues.
 
Some unsurprising news from Ireland (https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0403/1128300-ppe-covid-19-ireland/]). Medical staff complain of useless Chinese PPE gear, for instance with three quarter or short sleeves.

We shouldn't get too worried about PRC. They face demographic disaster, an army of incels thanks to One Child. They don't even have a carrier, unless you count one of the retired, obsolete Soviet tubs they put into service. I hope there will be a reckoning for PRC and its bat, dog and cat eaters.
 
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The head of Florida's Division of Emergency Management has accused U.S. mask manufacturer 3M of shipping the critical protective equipment to foreign countries who outbid U.S. buyers -- even as hospitals and state officials desperately scramble to secure N95 protective masks for healthcare workers on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic. [Continued at source]

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Yeah, that probably wasn't the smartest thing to do right now. Great going, 3M, I'm sure that getting all of the countries of the world into a bidding war over these supplies won't piss anybody off, especially no one in America. Oh wait it did.
Once again Floridaman gets it done.
F-man 1- 'Fuck this I'm using the state SM accounts to call these fucks out".

F-man 2- *Shoves FBI and NSA directly up 3M's ass*

Imagine if we had no internet.
God bless DARPA.
 
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Here are some articles that I found interesting:
RIP Corona.

Florida religious services exempt from stay-at-home executive order
 
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One of Norway's largest news papers wrote an article about some of the faulty or poor quality masks and tests and such countries had been getting from China (Link, behind a paywall). China's embassy in Norway apparently wasn't too happy, and directed a pretty angry Facebook post directly to the main author himself:

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I think the conclusion says enough:
To those who have pointed their fingers at China’s support to the international community for the fight against the epidemic: What have you done in helping with the situation? Do you think that you can do more and better than China?

Mr. Rønneberg, we sincerely hope you could do something positive in fighting COVID-19, not spreading the “virus”.

Full post:
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Response from the news paper:
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A short update from my small hole in the US.

My neighbor is a physical therapist who works at a hospital. She's been repurposed into a support role for clinicians during this period. We talk from a distance as things play out.

Her hospital got their first 2 cases on Wednesday. The place lit up with panic, nurses were crying in the hallways, the people who run the morgue started calling out sick, the canteen shut down for everything but bottled and prepackaged items. It got so bad the Clinical Chairs already banned the use of personal cell phones on premises because everyone was constantly messaging their families to tell them what's happening.

The hospital has a supply of the malaria drug, many people have been taking it as a preventative. She said it made her constipated and gave her cotton mouth, said she felt a little hung over after starting on it but feels fine now. She doesn't know for sure but believes both patients were given the drug, one left the hospital the same day and the other is in isolation. She seems convinced it's effective when given early.

The one thing they don't have a lot of is hand sanitizer. The hospital sent much of their supply to New York a week ago and they haven't received a resupply. Part of her job right now is sourcing more, she's afraid they will run out before May.

No new cases since Wednesday. She says the mood is dire and the entire staff is terrified. She's a liberal and thinks the panic is overblown, people are so scared they're not doing their job. She doesn't know what will happen if the number of cases escalates.

Jesus Christ.

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It's not "just the flu bro" but it's not the goddamn zombie apocalypse either. If your local healthcare providers are acting like that, nigga you fucked.
 
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