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Agreement is finally in Number 10's grasp.

The text that's taken months of officials' blood, sweat and tears has been agreed, at least at a technical level.

Now a paper's being drafted to present to the Cabinet tomorrow ready for the government's hoped-for next step - political approval from Theresa May's team, even though many of them have deep reservations.

Remember in the last 24 hours some of them have been warning privately that what's on the table is just not acceptable, and will never get through Parliament. Some even believe the prime minister ought to walk away.

But the government machine is now cranking into action. With a text ready, their long-planned rollout can begin.
The BBC's chief political correspondent Vicki Young said some ministers had "deep concerns" about the shape of the likely agreement, which critics say could leave the UK trapped in a customs agreement with the EU.

She said they would have to decide whether they could support it, and if not, whether to resign from cabinet.

Leading Brexiteers have already condemned the draft agreement, Boris Johnson saying it would see the UK remain in the customs union and "large parts" of the single market.

He told the BBC it was "utterly unacceptable to anyone who believes in democracy". "Am I going to vote against it. The answer is yes," he added.

And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said "given the shambolic nature of the negotiations, this is unlikely to be the good deal for the country".

'Failure to deliver'
Both the UK and EU want to schedule a special summit of European leaders at the end of November to sign off the reportedly 500 page withdrawal deal and the much shorter outline declaration of their future relationship.

Brussels has insisted it would only agree to put the wheels in motion for the summit if agreement can be reached on the issue of the Irish border.

Ambassadors from the remaining 27 EU states will meet in Brussels on Wednesday.

If a deal is agreed with the EU, Mrs May then needs to persuade her party - and the rest of Parliament - to support it in a key Commons vote.

Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said if details of the text reported by Irish broadcaster RTE were true, the UK would become a "vassal state" with Northern Ireland "being ruled from Dublin".

Such an agreement "failed to deliver on Brexit" and the cabinet should reject it, he told the BBC.

"I think what we know of this deal is deeply unsatisfactory," he said. "There seems to be growing opposition to these very poor proposals."

Meanwhile, following pressure from all sides of the Commons, ministers have agreed to provide MPs with a legal assessment of the implications for the UK of the Irish backstop and other controversial aspects of any deal.

Cabinet Office minister David Lidington said Attorney General Geoffrey Cox would make a statement to MPs and take questions ahead of the final vote on any Brexit deal.

MPs, he said, would get to see "a full reasoned position statement laying out the government's both political and also legal position on the proposed withdrawal agreement".

The Democratic Unionists' Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said he was pleased Parliament had "asserted its will" as it was imperative that all parties to the deal were clear in what way and for how long it would "legally bind" the UK.

Chequers minus it is. Whatever happened to no deal being better than a bad deal.

We should have been far more aggressive in negotiations with Brussels. They all but stated immediately after the referendum that they were going to bumrape us for having the temerity to leave, so we should have told them that unless and until they got serious, we'd basically go full on tax haven mode and steal all their big companies - and funnel money and support to Eurosceptics in Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, and Hungary.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

So, of votes cast. Keir Starmer won 275,780 votes.

Spoilt ballots and non-voters totaled 293,284 votes. Over half the votes cast.

Not a surprise, all of the candidates were various shades of shit. I expect the membership numbers to collapse by a similar number over the next couple of months as Starmer shows himself to be an empty suit.

 

[heathercho]

Lisa Nandy was always nowhere, and flamed out over a big old nothing issue that has crashed out of UK discourse and hopefully will stay that way for a good long time as a result of the Kung Flu. It's a shame, as she was the only one who consistently impressed swing voters in any debate. Y'know, the people that Stammer now needs to actually win back in the future? When he campaigned hard to sell out the country to continued EU servitutde?

Yeah. Going to be a fun watch, especially if the current gov manages to handle the Pandemic just right.



Nationalise what? Most of the key industries we need to fight this shit got portioned out under Blair and the globalists with companies like ICI being chopped up and sold off. Even previous globalists who wanted to boot up "new" industries like John Redwood have shut the fuck up and are beginning to eye up what industries need re-onshoring (and being able to clamp their claws into those Blue Norf seats of theirs.) We've got a Sony factory in Wales and an engine factory hastily repurposing themselves to help make ventilators, and goodness knows which companies trying to make masks and other key equipment that wouldn't normally.

I can see the UK government now driving a "De-sinofication" campaign of the global economy as would a lot of other nations doing it in tandem. Expect the new trade deals the UK was holding and hoping to get done now include "Strategic industrial co-operation" at its core. There's already been a few whispers of this beginning to grow and I reckon those Free Ports might expand quite considerably. 20 was only meant to be the first wave, after all...

People who typically think nationalising things have never had proper responsibility or run anything themselves. Command economies result in ridiculous notions and if any of them had any sense they'd encourage, or join, co-operative movements and companies or even help found them themselves.

Not even kidding, he legit said "Everything". Supermarkets. Everything private. Nationalise it. He said if essential services and resources were nationalised, you wouldn't have "problems". Toilet paper production to bread shops.

I don't even think Corbyn's that nuts. Also said the economy, fiat, jobs are all social constructs that don't actually exist...
Thinks Corbyn's going to be back.

 

[Sped Xing]

Murder is a social construct, too.

Sociology is really hard for socialists to understand.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Not even kidding, he legit said "Everything". Supermarkets. Everything private. Nationalise it. He said if essential services and resources were nationalised, you wouldn't have "problems". Toilet paper production to bread shops.

I don't even think Corbyn's that nuts. Also said the economy, fiat, jobs are all social constructs that don't actually exist...
Thinks Corbyn's going to be back.

Except you would have problems out the kazoo. The thing with a full command economy like under Stalin is that it's really good at making low tech, high volume products like steel girders, coal, tractors, and heavy industry because you can pretty much throw bodies at those industries and they will work. Pretty much anyone with a functioning brain can be shown how to work a blast furnace or a rolling mill, or to assemble a diesel engine. Stalin literally rounded up peasants with the shit still caked to their behinds and industrially conscripted them and thus the first Five Year Plan. Similarly, anyone can be shown how to dig or to hoe a field. It's brainless labour and you can motivate those behind it easily with the threat of the gulag or re-education.

However, you can't command economy your way into anything more technical. You can't grab a load of uneducated peasants and get them to design a microprocessor from the ground up. You need specialists for that. Similarly, you can't throw bodies at programming or anything which requires creativity or problem solving ability. You can't throw bodies at the advanced chemistry and metallurgy required to turn several tons of rare-earth ore into a laptop screen or a Tesla battery pack. You can't throw bodies into designing a bridge or a plane. This, incidentally, is why the gulag is always a thing in communist nations. When anything more advanced than an electromechanical device isn't produced in quality or quantity that the dialectic says, the Government can't admit failure because their authority relies on always being right and for them to get it wrong risks losing faith in their own cadres. So it must be the work of wreckers or saboteurs or reactionary elements. The gulag is a feature, not a bug.

 

[TowinKarz]

Why do these nutjobs always look like that?
I've been back and forthing with an acquaintance in the UK, who is overjoyed by the pandemic and how it can be the turning point for mobilisation in union/nationalisation of *everything*.
He actually unironically said "This is how Corbyn can win next time".

He looks exactly like this dude. A useless, pale, fleshy stump full of ideas on how "See the money was always there!! WE COULD DO THIS ALL THE TIME", yet at 35 is still getting gibs from Mum and Dad. Has no savings. Cannot balance a chequebook. But money is always there right?

Worst epidemic than Corona Chan, are these fleshy faggots.

When this is over, the populace will be no more ammenable to Communism/Nationalized Everything than they were going in, this has not shaken faith in economies, but it has showed the elite to be toothless and bereft of any ideas except to shout their same old talking points just louder.

The EU, the model of owning everything and directing everything, has failed to do anything positive and accelerated it's own demise with it's leaving the hardest-hit members to fend for themselves, in true communist spirit, the weak should be abandoned to their fate during this retreat....for lacking spirit.

This combination of disillusionment in "leaders" of hyper-consolidated power institutions and a desire to get back to work will leave the "Just nationalize everything and let one government rule" left in even worse straits than before. .And that will drive him and everyone like him nuts.

 

[Ow The Edge]

Why do these nutjobs always look like that?
I've been back and forthing with an acquaintance in the UK, who is overjoyed by the pandemic and how it can be the turning point for mobilisation in union/nationalisation of *everything*.
He actually unironically said "This is how Corbyn can win next time".

He looks exactly like this dude. A useless, pale, fleshy stump full of ideas on how "See the money was always there!! WE COULD DO THIS ALL THE TIME", yet at 35 is still getting gibs from Mum and Dad. Has no savings. Cannot balance a chequebook. But money is always there right?

Worst epidemic than Corona Chan, are these fleshy faggots.

They say what's in your soul is reflected on you flesh.

 

[Irrelevant]

Except you would have problems out the kazoo. The thing with a full command economy like under Stalin is that it's really good at making low tech, high volume products like steel girders, coal, tractors, and heavy industry because you can pretty much throw bodies at those industries and they will work. Pretty much anyone with a functioning brain can be shown how to work a blast furnace or a rolling mill, or to assemble a diesel engine. Stalin literally rounded up peasants with the shit still caked to their behinds and industrially conscripted them and thus the first Five Year Plan. Similarly, anyone can be shown how to dig or to hoe a field. It's brainless labour and you can motivate those behind it easily with the threat of the gulag or re-education.

However, you can't command economy your way into anything more technical. You can't grab a load of uneducated peasants and get them to design a microprocessor from the ground up. You need specialists for that. Similarly, you can't throw bodies at programming or anything which requires creativity or problem solving ability. You can't throw bodies at the advanced chemistry and metallurgy required to turn several tons of rare-earth ore into a laptop screen or a Tesla battery pack. You can't throw bodies into designing a bridge or a plane. This, incidentally, is why the gulag is always a thing in communist nations. When anything more advanced than an electromechanical device isn't produced in quality or quantity that the dialectic says, the Government can't admit failure because their authority relies on always being right and for them to get it wrong risks losing faith in their own cadres. So it must be the work of wreckers or saboteurs or reactionary elements. The gulag is a feature, not a bug.

These are the people trying to gotcha Hancock because he wouldn't say there definitely will be 100k tests by the end of the month. What do they expect him to do? Start throwing researchers into prison because the antibody tests failed the trial?

Also two weeks ago they were saying that the NHS should nationalise everything and now it's coming out that half the reason our testing is crap is because the NHS centralised too much...

 

[Ginger Piglet]

James Ivens, he of the complete failure to understand economics, now is calling for action on profiteering and "taking democratic control" of supplies in the event of serious shortages.

Democratic control. Meaning, given the state of British trade unionism, they get some and their members and asspatters get first dibs. New boss, old boss, meet, same, the - rearrange those words.

I hate the way comsymps have appropriated the word "democratic" like this.

Incidentally, back in the 1980s my parents were active in the Labour Party and it was just as exceptional as it is at present. In fact, very little as changed. While now we have "allies" back then they had one person who with a straight face claimed that he was "politically black" despite being a FUCKING WHITE MALE because he grew up on a council estate on a low income and had been the subject of police brutality. There was also an anarchist news sheet going around called The Aggravator which had a column called "Fascist Bastard of the Month" in which they bemoaned someone putting their prices up. Deary me.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

When this is over, the populace will be no more ammenable to Communism/Nationalized Everything than they were going in, this has not shaken faith in economies, but it has showed the elite to be toothless and bereft of any ideas except to shout their same old talking points just louder.

The EU, the model of owning everything and directing everything, has failed to do anything positive and accelerated it's own demise with it's leaving the hardest-hit members to fend for themselves, in true communist spirit, the weak should be abandoned to their fate during this retreat....for lacking spirit.

This combination of disillusionment in "leaders" of hyper-consolidated power institutions and a desire to get back to work will leave the "Just nationalize everything and let one government rule" left in even worse straits than before. .And that will drive him and everyone like him nuts.

It's likely to cause a rise in National-somethingism, just not nationalisation. There'll be a lot of people in positions of significant influence who will ask very hard why our supply lines are so stretched out and so reliant on a state which keeps giving us the gift of pandemics on the regular to the point they bribed the WHO to abandon the warning system because it'd be triggered every few years when China finally admits it can't handle shit.

On top of that, there's a big argument for lowering the global carbon footprint for having shorter supply chains to get stuff done.

It's nocked the UK's hopes of becoming a free trading power and proponent of free trade into a bit of a cocked hat.

James Ivens, he of the complete failure to understand economics, now is calling for action on profiteering and "taking democratic control" of supplies in the event of serious shortages.

Democratic control. Meaning, given the state of British trade unionism, they get some and their members and asspatters get first dibs. New boss, old boss, meet, same, the - rearrange those words.

I hate the way comsymps have appropriated the word "democratic" like this.

Incidentally, back in the 1980s my parents were active in the Labour Party and it was just as exceptional as it is at present. In fact, very little as changed. While now we have "allies" back then they had one person who with a straight face claimed that he was "politically black" despite being a FUCKING WHITE MALE because he grew up on a council estate on a low income and had been the subject of police brutality. There was also an anarchist news sheet going around called The Aggravator which had a column called "Fascist Bastard of the Month" in which they bemoaned someone putting their prices up. Deary me.

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They told everyone they were suspending multi-buy packs and offers on everything because people were hoarding. If you've got a Buy one, Get one Free on shitloads of stuff you're going to pick up two items, and take four.

I did this with soups when Morrissons lagged behind Tesco and others and now have enough to enjoy a soup per lunchtime for the next fortnight.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

politically black

This sounds like a troll /pol/ would come up with. Shit never really changes on either side of the pond. The actual working class mostly figured out Socialism is a scam decades ago. Now it's mostly upper middle class kiddies trying to piss off mom and dad and champaigne socialists who know they'll be nomenklatura.

 

[Irrelevant]

James Ivens, he of the complete failure to understand economics, now is calling for action on profiteering and "taking democratic control" of supplies in the event of serious shortages.

Democratic control. Meaning, given the state of British trade unionism, they get some and their members and asspatters get first dibs. New boss, old boss, meet, same, the - rearrange those words.

I hate the way comsymps have appropriated the word "democratic" like this.

Incidentally, back in the 1980s my parents were active in the Labour Party and it was just as exceptional as it is at present. In fact, very little as changed. While now we have "allies" back then they had one person who with a straight face claimed that he was "politically black" despite being a FUCKING WHITE MALE because he grew up on a council estate on a low income and had been the subject of police brutality. There was also an anarchist news sheet going around called The Aggravator which had a column called "Fascist Bastard of the Month" in which they bemoaned someone putting their prices up. Deary me.

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These fucking tards. We were asked to provide supplies for face masks but we can't because the US government redirected half the shipment and the NHS wants the other half.

The prices are high because the supplies have already been nationalised.

We're not going to supply the public anyway because these idiots will blame us when their homemade shit doesn't protect them.

 

[Coccxys]

The constant droning on about testing is certainly getting tiresome, like are the media and Labour party going to pull the required equipment and consumables out of their asses?

The constant "but that/that/the other nurse said" is getting annoying too. I know several NHS nurses not a one of them is someone I would describe as particularly bright or knowledge of the world they are just trained to be a career with (a little) extra medical training but of course that's a lynching worthy thought in society at the moment.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

This sounds like a troll /pol/ would come up with. Shit never really changes on either side of the pond. The actual working class mostly figured out Socialism is a scam decades ago. Now it's mostly upper middle class kiddies trying to piss off mom and dad and champaigne socialists who know they'll be nomenklatura.

Thing is, though, the far left is exceptional enough that whether they are genuine or /pol/tards LARPing for shiggles is always debateable.

 

[Irrelevant]

The constant droning on about testing is certainly getting tiresome, like are the media and Labour party going to pull the required equipment and consumables out of their asses?

The constant "but that/that/the other nurse said" is getting annoying too. I know several NHS nurses not a one of them is someone I would describe as particularly bright or knowledge of the world they are just trained to be a career with (a little) extra medical training but of course that's a lynching worthy thought in society at the moment.

The nurse thing is annoying even at normal times. So many women fall into nursing instead of being NEETs but then they act like they're fully qualified RNs.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

The nurse thing is annoying even at normal times. So many women fall into nursing instead of being NEETs but then they act like they're fully qualified RNs.

It's a job with long hours, that's relatively underpaid and where people bear witness to some of the most harrowing and traumatic moments of people's lives and sometimes risk life and limb.

Considering they get paid far less per hour than far less valuable people in a society such as teachers and office clerks I think they quite deserve the heroic treatment some of them get.

 

[Irrelevant]

It's a job with long hours, that's relatively underpaid and where people bear witness to some of the most harrowing and traumatic moments of people's lives and sometimes risk life and limb.

Considering they get paid far less per hour than far less valuable people in a society such as teachers and office clerks I think they quite deserve the heroic treatment some of them get.

I'm complaining about the office clerks who call themselves nurses. I've known college/uni media studies drop out NEETs who decide to become nurses, call themselves "nurses" from day one, and then drop out within a year or two because they expected a Registered Nurse's 30k/year from the beginning.

 

[heyitsmike]

Say a prayer for all of the Tankies and Trots on r/labour. They're having a hard time this morning with the election of Keir "closet Tory" Starmer.

 

[Tealeaf]

Say a prayer for all of the Tankies and Trots on r/labour. They're having a hard time this morning with the election of Keir "closet Tory" Starmer.

Holy shit the whole subreddit is seething. Corbynites will never recover from this

Choice snippets:

 

[JK Rowling]

Holy shit the whole subreddit is seething. Corbynites will never recover from this

Choice snippets:
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They seem obsessed with who gets control of the party and completely uninterested in who runs the country.

 

[AnOminous]

They seem obsessed with who gets control of the party and completely uninterested in who runs the country.

Whatever your actual political position, a "leader" who "leads" you into the worst political drubbing in a generation isn't one worth keeping.