Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[heathercho]

There's so many doctors out there who are still living in the last century, before every single institution had been completely hollowed out, and they think they can trust the WHO or the news, or even universities to be on the level. Really, they don't get that they've been in a false reality for decades, and everything "official" is little more than a front, like on a movie set. There's nothing behind the walls anymore. It's all bullshit.

Added to that is politics. Politics in the medical/academic arena have dramatically changed how people view the science.
An anecdote/formal complaint example I saw recently (with specifics changed/obscured) -
A female (POC) biotech lab researcher had a cup of coffee thrown on her on Thursday last week by a colleague (Male, White, Gay).
This stemmed from an argument over tactical research - if treatments/protocols should be aggressively pursued vs finding a vaccine.
The female worker argued that in her home country, treatments/protocol have saved lives, because a vaccine had not manifested for it.
The male worker called her a capitalist pig, citing the fact that treatments were "shit Donald Trump would want".

This isn't a one off, I've seen an increase in them in the past 2 years. A man was fired for example, for referring to a zygote as female. Yes. You cannot assume the gender of biological matter now.

Everyone has lost their minds and has lost focus of the truth. The WHO are bought and sold. Fauci was putting PC politics before science just a few weeks ago, yet people are supposed to listen to him now?
Who can you trust if science is a social concept and not you know... a science?

I'd have to disagree, if we acted sooner then we would of had a fighting chance. At this point we are essentially sitting ducks, and our economy before WASN'T THAT GREAT. Now we are heading into uncharted territory because of poor implementation of polcies that should of been implemented a couple of months back.


That's the whole part of it when I am watching these daily updates, that we could of EASILY prevented the spread of this thing. It isn't like we have that dense of a population to begin with, outside of certain subsections of the country. Even during the SARS outbreak in Toronto, the preventive measures where actually implemented in a more effective way as opposed to the modern equivalent with SARS-2. How the hell did we get the art and social science department dictating policy over something like this? This is what happens when we vote based on pandering to cross-dressers and the perpetual victim ideology that our country has adopted over the last few years. I can say that with a bit of optimism that Canadians have the culture that we will take the initiative to police ourselves, as well help each other out during this difficult time. We are small enough and spread out enough that we can curve it out better, but testing needs to get ramped up hardcore if we are going to save our people. The opposition should of put in a vote of no confidence when they voted on that stimulus package and got these jokers out of the public eye. Just my take though.

Compare some 2003 reporting on the SARS epidemic that Canada/US faced and compare it to how the media and medical "experts" are talking about COVID 19 now.
https://archive.vn/Et1fS
Pretty reasonable and logical right? It makes sense why it hit Canada harder. The reporting is straight forward and without a million experts opinions-for-clicks.

Now, if you dare say that, even as an expert, you're being unscientific or "dangerous". It's pretty crazy how much politics have influenced how science is actually managed.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

The residential ones are not powerful enough to do the job correctly. Just do not go there with the concept. I'm not.

Putting up a warning is fine but blatantly implying that 'everyone' else doesn't know how to use them, just because you use them at work...keep that to yourself okay?

 

[WeDon'tNeedToWhisper]

I saw, somewhere in this thread, people wondering what would happen to those that are in a vegetative state and reliant on Hospital equipment to keep them alive. I may be late in addressing this, but I recently came across a story that a new station did on one of those situations.

This girl, 15, has spinal muscular atrophy and while she's not in a hospital, she's definitely vegetable status and relies on the hospital for treatments.
According to the girl's parents, she recently began receiving a treatment that is helping her improve (presses x very hard) from a hospital but now, because wuflu, the hospital is not providing her with the treatment. The mom says without the treatment, "her life is at stake".

I won't even say how I feel about parents like this, but I'm sure you can guess. I feel sorry for their son.

Spoiler: Picture of the girl

"like most teenagers"

Link to article with video
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[Coleslaw]

There's so many doctors out there who are still living in the last century, before every single institution had been completely hollowed out, and they think they can trust the WHO or the news, or even universities to be on the level. Really, they don't get that they've been in a false reality for decades, and everything "official" is little more than a front, like on a movie set. There's nothing behind the walls anymore. It's all bullshit.

Eradicating smallpox was the last good thing they did.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I saw, somewhere in this thread, people wondering what would happen to those that are in a vegetative state and reliant on Hospital equipment to keep them alive. I may be late in addressing this, but I recently came across a story that a new station did on one of those situations.

This girl, 15, has spinal muscular atrophy and while she's not in a hospital, she's definitely vegetable status and relies on the hospital for treatments.
According to the girl's parents, she recently began receiving a treatment that is helping her improve (presses x very hard) from a hospital but now, because wuflu, the hospital is not providing her with the treatment. The mom says without the treatment, "her life is at stake".

I won't even say how I feel about parents like this, but I'm sure you can guess. I feel sorry for their son.

Spoiler: Picture of the girl

View attachment 1215901"like most teenagers"

Link to article with video
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Spinraza is used to stop this disease in its tract and to even improve some of the muscles if they are not full atrophied. It's done via spinal tap if I recall correctly. Problem is if you have this disorder is that your diaphragam can be paralyzed. Even without it paralyzed the atrophy that occurs makes most unable to cough without a cough assist machine. It has to be a hard situation she will die if she does not get treatment yet she would never survive getting corona. Also this disorder does not effect cognition at all. They may be unable to move because of atrophy, but their brains and intelligence are fully intact.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Those platforms remain controlled by Palantir

Surely they can master the palantir where most others have failed. What could possibly go wrong with that pursuit?

 

[New & Improved Username]

I saw, somewhere in this thread, people wondering what would happen to those that are in a vegetative state and reliant on Hospital equipment to keep them alive. I may be late in addressing this, but I recently came across a story that a new station did on one of those situations.

This girl, 15, has spinal muscular atrophy and while she's not in a hospital, she's definitely vegetable status and relies on the hospital for treatments.
According to the girl's parents, she recently began receiving a treatment that is helping her improve (presses x very hard) from a hospital but now, because wuflu, the hospital is not providing her with the treatment. The mom says without the treatment, "her life is at stake".

I won't even say how I feel about parents like this, but I'm sure you can guess. I feel sorry for their son.

Spoiler: Picture of the girl

View attachment 1215901"like most teenagers"

Link to article with video
Archive

Maybe they should give her one more treatment along with some mercy covid.

 

[TheRedChair]

Putting up a warning is fine but blatantly implying that 'everyone' else doesn't know how to use them, just because you use them at work...keep that to yourself okay?

WHY don't you SHUT THE FUCK UP you worthless cunt. It's you assholes that get people KILLED. This is what I do for a living you worthless shit. The equipment I that I have used to clean up areas where people HAVE DIED CAN KILL THE LIVING.

If you want to play Darwin in action GO right ahead air thief. I take no responsibility if people get hurt using industrial commercial equipment without training.

So once again FUCK YOU and the horse you road in on and let people who fucking know their profession talk.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Not seen this posted yet: if you are bored, faintly alarmed by CDC advice, have a sewing machine or patience to hand sew, and some craft cotton on hand, this is a very straightforward pattern with a video too for fabric face masks. Obviously this are not PPE standard but... if you want something to cover your face with, this is something.

I’ve made a few for family etc and put them in with food deliveries. It might well be useless but it feels like doing something, you know?

How to Sew a DIY Fabric Face Mask - Free Printable Pattern

Free pattern to sew pleated surgical fabric face masks for hospitals or your own use. Make at home with elastic or fabric ties. Option for filter pocket.

sarahmaker.com

Are you Amish or something? It's 2020. Who the fuck in the "civilized" world knows how to sew? Let alone has sewing supplies.

Might as well post blacksmith instructions to make armor.

You know it’s going to happen, I know it’s going to happen, the only thing is where and when ...


People won’t stay locked up. The fine denizens of this forum are rather skewed towards people who would be just fine staying in, but most people can’t handle it. I’m fine staying in, but staying in with kids is hard - they need to be out and playing. Most people cannot stay away from each other, and they do get depressed when isolated.
En mass, you can’t have a lockdown for more than a few weeks because people just won’t obey, and it only takes a few interactions to make it pointless. We dont have many governments which are both ruthless enough and capable enough to keep ALL people home. Plenty of ruthless ones but not many are efficient enough to actually police it.
It’s going to be warm this coming week and over Easter in the UK - people won’t stay in. In places where it’s really hot, and no air conditioning, not a hope in hell.
So where now? Economies fucked, people rioting, and disease everywhere. Countries will end up doing an uneasy dance of recurring lockdowns, and each time people will comply less. Or they will go the Swedish route and have a halfway house, and hope that works enough to get everyone, or enough people, immune by the autumn.

I am perfectly content with things staying how they are indefinitely. I am making so much money at work and conversely saving a ton from not having to drive. It's glorious. I am also a massive data hoarder so have plenty to entertain myself when not working.

If overly socialized dumb people cant hack it and want to go out and get coronaPOZZED. That would be great. Finally us recluses will inherit the earth.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

It's 2020. Who the fuck in the "civilized" world knows how to sew?

Might as well post blacksmith instructions to make armor.

People know how to sue. Sewing, not sure maybe some sweatshops in 3rd world countries do.

 

[afternoon_tea]

Added to that is politics. Politics in the medical/academic arena have dramatically changed how people view the science.
An anecdote/formal complaint example I saw recently (with specifics changed/obscured) -
A female (POC) biotech lab researcher had a cup of coffee thrown on her on Thursday last week by a colleague (Male, White, Gay).
This stemmed from an argument over tactical research - if treatments/protocols should be aggressively pursued vs finding a vaccine.
The female worker argued that in her home country, treatments/protocol have saved lives, because a vaccine had not manifested for it.
The male worker called her a capitalist pig, citing the fact that treatments were "shit Donald Trump would want".

This isn't a one off, I've seen an increase in them in the past 2 years. A man was fired for example, for referring to a zygote as female. Yes. You cannot assume the gender of biological matter now.

Everyone has lost their minds and has lost focus of the truth. The WHO are bought and sold. Fauci was putting PC politics before science just a few weeks ago, yet people are supposed to listen to him now?
Who can you trust if science is a social concept and not you know... a science?



Compare some 2003 reporting on the SARS epidemic that Canada/US faced and compare it to how the media and medical "experts" are talking about COVID 19 now.
https://archive.vn/Et1fS
Pretty reasonable and logical right? It makes sense why it hit Canada harder. The reporting is straight forward and without a million experts opinions-for-clicks.

Now, if you dare say that, even as an expert, you're being unscientific or "dangerous". It's pretty crazy how much politics have influenced how science is actually managed.

God, this is lunacy. Why are people so up in arms about treatments and acting like only a vaccine will do and nothing else should be tried? I've seen people arguing about this myself and I'm just confused about how finding effective treatments got spun as an evil Trump plan, I don't know what I'm missing.

Having treatments and an effective vaccine would not be unique to this virus. It's not either/or.

 

[New & Improved Username]

So about that governor who only found out 24 hours ago (48 now, late) that there were asymptomatic carriers: is there any disease ever known that did not have asymptomatic carriers?

 

[DNA_JACKED]

God, this is lunacy. Why are people so up in arms about treatments and acting like only a vaccine will do and nothing else should be tried? I've seen people arguing about this myself and I'm just confused about how finding effective treatments got spun as an evil Trump plan, I don't know what I'm missing.

Having treatments and an effective vaccine would not be unique to this virus. It's not either/or.

The free healthcare/fuck pharma crowd, have been spreading the idea for years that treatments are pushed because $$$, and that pharmaceutical companies will never research for a cure to a disease as a result. Many have fallen for that line of thinking over the years, and associate new treatments as money seeking schemes.

So about that governor who only found out 24 hours ago (48 now, late) that there were asymptomatic carriers: is there any disease ever known that did not have asymptomatic carriers?

HIV.

While the vast majority of infectious diseases will have occasional asymptomatic carriers, corona's rate of such is way higher then anything else we've seen except herpes, where 67% never develop symptoms.

 

[Green Man]

To be fair, they set out on their wagon journey from NY like in February.

Actually, it's even worse because any time Amish people travel long distances like that, they basically charter one of those big 15 passenger vans and they'll pack as many members of the family as they possibly can inside and travel that way. Sometimes it can take two or three vans traveling in a convoy and they'll get someone to drive them from state to state. So all of these people [many of them elderly or young] pack into this passenger van like a bunch of sardines, go somewhere, mingle with a bunch of other people who could be infected, then when it's time to go home they pack in like sardines again. I mean, in perspective, that's fucking crazy. If one infected person from upstate NY got in that van with let's say 15-17 people, there's a good chance they're all going to be infected by the time the trip is over, not to mention all of the people they come into contact with stopping for fuel or piss breaks and the people they meet with at the destination. One god damned interstate trip for a boring ass Amish wedding could potentially infect 80, 100, maybe 200 people. It's crazy when you put it into perspective.

And they're not going to stop, they don't give a shit about what they call "English laws." It doesn't mean shit to them. For instance, these people often drive around in buggies with no markers whatsoever. No slow-moving vehicle sign, no reflectors, no reflective tape, no signals, flag, lantern, strobe light, anything. You'll read news stories of somebody just fucking slamming into one of these things on a road at like 2AM, foggy as fuck or raining, taking out a whole family of people and it's absolutely not their fault but the state and local governments are so worried about the tourist money drying up that they won't do shit about it. You'll see entire columns of these assholes, 15-20 of them, riding bikes down the god damn interstate and following not one god damn traffic law. You'll see kids maybe 4-5 years old driving little pony carts on main roads, no supervision at all, they have no god damn clue what they're doing and they're a few feet away from a semi with a 53 foot trailer. They raise deer herds a lot too, sometimes the whole herd will come down with CWD and they'll flat-out refuse to destroy the herd and keep selling the meat, keep letting their infected herd interact with the local herds. Additionally they don't get vaccinated, ever. Pertussis and measles go through them like a plague every year, so even if the CDC do formulate a COVID19 vaccine six months to a year from now, the Amish aren't going to get it.

It's really kind of wild because I can see it going very, very badly in my area simply because of them. If COVID gets a foothold here, shit will get rough. That's not to say the Amish are the only morons not taking it seriously. A lot of other people here aren't taking it seriously at all and I'm left wondering what it's going to take to make them look at it and have one of those "oh fuck, this is real" moments. It's like people have developed some kind of invincibility complex here because we're so far removed from where it's really bad, and so isolated from most of the places where it's even moderately bad or starting to get serious. There's a comforting layer of insulation here and probably a lot of other rural areas, but that layer that's comforting and convenient now might really fuck us over out here in fly-over country. I suspect COVID will take off in Florida and the Deep South pretty soon, the Bible Belt is going to get fucked and the Rust Belt is probably next.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Perhaps a "Batty" rating?



And to think I was worrying they'd inadvertently receive some patients who'd tested false negative. Like before thinking about malice/idiocy I honestly thought the incubation period was what would fuck those ships up. SMH

Dr. Drew has been trying to scrub this evidence of his smug "just a flu" statements from the internetz. Enjoy:
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It sometimes blows my mind how this thread was legitimately one of the few places in the world actually blowing the alarm on this in the early stages.

 

[Bob's Fuckass Head]

State of Alabama update:

ADPH status page and ArcGIS dashboard. They changed some colors around, and are now also listing "total hospitalizations statewide." No explanation of that stat line, but I'm inferring that it's supposed to track people who have tested positive and then been hospitalized. I'll be including that new stat line and looking for clarification of what it means.

Total confirmed cases: 1,633 (+363)

Tests processed: 10,847 (+2,228)

44 Reported Deaths, 26 Died From Illness (+9)

Total hospitalizations statewide: 212 (as of April 4, 2020)

In local area story time, I had a chance to talk again with the gang from that local electronics repair place I mentioned some time ago. They've closed the public-facing elements of their business, which means no more customers entering the store. All purchases, drop-offs and pick-ups will be curbside. The store owner is asking employees to take any items dropped off for repair and place them inside sealed plastic tubs before bringing them through the store. They're disinfecting everything we put our nasty hands on before it hits the repair table. I asked the owner what he'll do if they have to close the store completely, and he said he'd just start sending employees home with boxes of stuff to repair. He has a big trailer full of shit like busted Switches and Switch Lites, and he's determined to find a way to keep from laying people off.

The "curbside" model is how almost every local business is handling their shit now, at least the ones that are still open. It's interesting to see how quickly everybody adapted to a couple tweaks and then essentially continued going on about regular life. That being said, some folks are starting to get antsy about their Trumpbux and UI claims. I firmly believe this would be one of the last parts of the country where shit could truly break down at a societal level, but at some point the Gubmint Gibs will have to come through.

Let's end this post on a positive note, and behold a marvelous and inspirational strayan specimen.

Spoiler: DEATH TO COMMUNISM

 

[RodgerDodger]

So, how long before the rest of America loses patience with New York and decides to leave them to their fate?

If Trump just decides to nuke them any year round resident of The Hamptons would happily step up to push the button... twice if possible. I'm pretty sure there are sections of New Jersey that would also bid for the privilege.

 

[mr.moon1488]

State of Alabama update:

ADPH status page and ArcGIS dashboard. They changed some colors around, and are now also listing "total hospitalizations statewide." No explanation of that stat line, but I'm inferring that it's supposed to track people who have tested positive and then been hospitalized. I'll be including that new stat line and looking for clarification of what it means.

Total confirmed cases: 1,633 (+363)

Tests processed: 10,847 (+2,228)

44 Reported Deaths, 26 Died From Illness (+9)

Total hospitalizations statewide: 212 (as of April 4, 2020)

In local area story time, I had a chance to talk again with the gang from that local electronics repair place I mentioned some time ago. They've closed the public-facing elements of their business, which means no more customers entering the store. All purchases, drop-offs and pick-ups will be curbside. The store owner is asking employees to take any items dropped off for repair and place them inside sealed plastic tubs before bringing them through the store. They're disinfecting everything we put our nasty hands on before it hits the repair table. I asked the owner what he'll do if they have to close the store completely, and he said he'd just start sending employees home with boxes of stuff to repair. He has a big trailer full of shit like busted Switches and Switch Lites, and he's determined to find a way to keep from laying people off.

The "curbside" model is how almost every local business is handling their shit now, at least the ones that are still open. It's interesting to see how quickly everybody adapted to a couple tweaks and then essentially continued going on about regular life. That being said, some folks are starting to get antsy about their Trumpbux and UI claims. I firmly believe this would be one of the last parts of the country where shit could truly break down at a societal level, but at some point the Gubmint Gibs will have to come through.

Let's end this post on a positive note, and behold a marvelous and inspirational strayan specimen.

Spoiler: DEATH TO COMMUNISM

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Lol in just a couple of years strayans have done more to combat threats to the western world, than the rest of the west combined.

 

[pwnest injun]

God, this is lunacy. Why are people so up in arms about treatments and acting like only a vaccine will do and nothing else should be tried? I've seen people arguing about this myself and I'm just confused about how finding effective treatments got spun as an evil Trump plan, I don't know what I'm missing.

Having treatments and an effective vaccine would not be unique to this virus. It's not either/or.

I think that the homo guy is just mad about AIDS. $$$ treatments, but no vaccine.
Pure projection, as you would expect from a narcissist.

It sometimes blows my mind how this thread was legitimately one of the few places in the world actually blowing the alarm on this in the early stages.

Trolls know when someone's running game.

 

[Carnavoyeur]

Are you Amish or something? It's 2020. Who the fuck in the "civilized" world knows how to sew? Let alone has sewing supplies.

Might as well post blacksmith instructions to make armor.

If you don't know how to sew you should be declared mentally unfit until you learn. Easiest thing in the world.