Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Cat Menagerie]

I saw a scathing article about de Blasio on Yahoo of all places, originally published by Rolling Stone. Naturally I had to archive it.

NYC Mayor Out to Prove That GOP Have Not Cornered the Market on COVID…

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NYC Mayor Out to Prove That GOP Have Not Cornered the Market on COVID-19 Ignorance

Bill de Blasio made the same uninformed coronavirus statements that Georgia Governor Brian Kemp made this week

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[moocow]

I saw a scathing article about de Blasio on Yahoo of all places, originally published by Rolling Stone. Naturally I had to archive it.

NYC Mayor Out to Prove That GOP Have Not Cornered the Market on COVID…

archived 5 Apr 2020 12:53:40 UTC

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NYC Mayor Out to Prove That GOP Have Not Cornered the Market on COVID-19 Ignorance

Bill de Blasio made the same uninformed coronavirus statements that Georgia Governor Brian Kemp made this week

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Christ. Even as they criticize one of their own they can't help but take swipes at their "enemy," which of course is conservatives, not China like it should be.

Fuck journalists. Treasonous bastards, the lot of them.

 

[heathercho]

I hate to say this, but the numbers in Japan might be doctored even more than the ones from China. It is absolutely ludicrous that they are sitting at such a low number, despite virtually doing nothing to contain the spread. Those paper masks aren't gonna stem the tide of infections and the number of people tested is very low afaik.

Kinda weird, you'd think Abe would protect the elderly, after all, the LDP's main demographic is old people and any lection of the past tried winning over senior citizens by waving fat wads of retirement payments in their face.

It's not really a surprise. They did shut a lot of places early on for a month (Parks, Museums etc, Cherry Blossom Festival was limited) + schools. So they didn't do "virtually nothing".
Pachinko Parlours have been full and no real spread in them. They aren't fixing the numbers - you'd hear about it at the hospitals.
Shimura Ken died from it, but he was also very sick anyway and was a 6 pack a day smoker. People just aren't dying from it en masse like in western nations.

Japan also gets the BCG Vaccine. Just like South Korea. Both countries have the most ICU capacity in the world and protocols in place for viral containment.

Covid-19 deaths fewer in nations with mandatory TB vaccination: Study…

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Tuberculosis vaccine ‘potential game-changer’ in Covid-19 fight

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Seems like it's a major factor.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It's not really a surprise. They did shut a lot of places early on for a month (Parks, Museums etc, Cherry Blossom Festival was limited) + schools. So they didn't do "virtually nothing".
Pachinko Parlours have been full and no real spread in them. They aren't fixing the numbers - you'd hear about it at the hospitals.
Shimura Ken died from it, but he was also very sick anyway and was a 6 pack a day smoker. People just aren't dying from it en masse like in western nations.

Japan also gets the BCG Vaccine. Just like South Korea. Both countries have the most ICU capacity in the world and protocols in place for viral containment.

Covid-19 deaths fewer in nations with mandatory TB vaccination: Study…

archived 5 Apr 2020 13:10:06 UTC

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Tuberculosis vaccine ‘potential game-changer’ in Covid-19 fight

archived 5 Apr 2020 13:10:41 UTC

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Seems like it's a major factor.

From what I hear from my friends in Tokyo, no one takes this situation seriously and the measurements taken by the government amount to barely anything, though.

 

[Stoneheart]

In fact, they criticized Twitter for not censoring Elon Musk and Donald Trump, who they think have tweeted 'misinformation', but note approvingly that lesser mortals like McAfee and presumably all non-celebs are being censored if they say anything that the WHO might not like to hear.

It doesnt work in germany at all since nobody cares about the WHO here. the RKI is way less political and has a very high standing in the population, and they dont act like total cunts all the time. Its would also be a problem if they censor a top scientist for having different views.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Japan also gets the BCG Vaccine. Just like South Korea. Both countries have the most ICU capacity in the world and protocols in place for viral containment.

Covid-19 deaths fewer in nations with mandatory TB vaccination: Study…

archived 5 Apr 2020 13:10:06 UTC

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Tuberculosis vaccine ‘potential game-changer’ in Covid-19 fight

archived 5 Apr 2020 13:10:41 UTC

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Seems like it's a major factor.

BCG is the TB vaccine that leaves a scar on your arm, right?

If BCG is effective against coronavirus, and I'm not completely convinced at this point that it is, you'd have to change the vaccination pattern. E.g. immunize people every 15 years from the age of 50. So at 50, 65, 80, 95. There's a paper here which reckons that "We found that countries without universal policies of BCG vaccination (Italy, Nederland, USA) have been more severely affected compared to countries with universal and long-standing BCG policies. Countries that have a late start of universal BCG policy (Iran, 1984) had high mortality, consistent with the idea that BCG protects the vaccinated elderly population. "

People in the UK had the BCG vaccine at school for 10 to 14 year-olds until 2005. Unfortunately, it seems like it only gives 15 years of protection. So the last batch of people vaccinated in 2005 should just have lost protection against TB now, though this might not mean they've lost protection from coronavirus.

BCG vaccine - Wikipedia

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United Kingdom: The UK introduced universal BCG immunization in 1953. From then until July 2005, UK policy was to immunize all school children aged between 10 and 14 years of age, and all neonates born into high-risk groups. The injection was given only once during an individual's lifetime (as there is no evidence of additional protection from more than one vaccination). BCG was also given to protect people who had been exposed to tuberculosis. The peak of tuberculosis incidence is in adolescence and early adulthood, and an MRC trial showed efficacy lasted a maximum of 15 years.[43] Routine immunization with BCG for all school children was scrapped in July 2005 because of falling cost-effectiveness: whereas in 1953, 94 children would have to be immunized to prevent one case of TB, by 1988, the annual incidence of TB in the UK had fallen so much, 12,000 children would have to be immunized to prevent a single case of TB.[44] The vaccine is still given to at risk healthcare professionals.[45]

Isn't it wonderful how the Blair government vastly increased immigration, including from places like which have endemic multi drug-resistant-TB and decided to save a few pennies by ending vaccination?

 

[TurdFondler]

Canada's government is absolutely spineless and the nation is fully cucked. The voting base here has no idea how anything works and just parrot US talking points. The country used to have its own manufacturing sector including metal works and electronics. The provinces don't do anything to spur trade so its cheaper to ship from some shit hole in China than it is to deliver local goods a few hundred km.

The US could say they were no longer going to pay for any Canadian imports or energy and Trudeau would saber rattle a little bit before stretching his asshole even wider for the girthy US schlong.

It's possible that sometime by 2021 Canada will have managed to manufacture a few hundred masks, of course SNC lavalin would get about a billion dollars out of it and it would turn out they forgot to include the elastics.

 

[Techno-primitivist]

I haven't been here for 2 weeks and most of what I can see is doomposting.
The normie class are getting desperate. All according to plan. Soon, they'll beg us to save them.

 

[Fareal]

I debated posting this but I’m FUCKING RAGING.

Scotland‘s Chief Medical Office has been formally warned by police after breaking the fucking lockdown to go up to her holiday home for the weekend. Context: today is the first actually nice sunny day most of Scotland has seen since about last September.

The fucking CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER broke the lockdown to do the exact thing she has been on TV threatening us all not to do for weeks.

Why so pissed? Because my holiday home is in the same fucking place as hers. Weeks ago now, I discussed with family/friends whether I should pick up the tots and the puppy and decamp to the seaside for the summer early. We spend their summers running wild on the beach, eating chips and generally enjoying life. The advice of all persons who were NHS connected was that the CMO HER PERSONAL SELF was shitting it and wouldn’t send her family away to the second home. The village is tiny and the ability of the NHS there to support the summer tourists is limited.

I followed this advice because this is what sensible people do, right? Follow the expert advice?

Imagine my stress sighs when I see the photos of her and her family on the beach this weekend whilst I am in fucking lockdown with three bairns and a big dug bouncing off the fucking walls, and no prospect of any beach summer for us this year.

Well, the response of the Scottish people to the CMO herself deciding “fuck the lockdown” has been predictable. All my my kith and kin are reporting that the lockdown is being fully disobeyed everywhere. The parks are absolutely jumping, the supermarkets are sold out of suncream, and the kids are out playing together in the streets same as ever.

This is what happens when you don’t follow your own fucking advice.

oh, a source: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...nd-catherine-calderwood-chief-medic-covid-19/

 

[Not Really Here]

I debated posting this but I’m FUCKING RAGING.

Scotland‘s Chief Medical Office has been formally warned by police after breaking the fucking lockdown to go up to her holiday home for the weekend. Context: today is the first actually nice sunny day most of Scotland has seen since about last September.

The fucking CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER broke the lockdown to do the exact thing she has been on TV threatening us all not to do for weeks.

Why so pissed? Because my holiday home is in the same fucking place as hers. Weeks ago now, I discussed with family/friends whether I should pick up the tots and the puppy and decamp to the seaside for the summer early. We spend their summers running wild on the beach, eating chips and generally enjoying life. The advice of all persons who were NHS connected was that the CMO HER PERSONAL SELF was shitting it and wouldn’t send her family away to the second home. The village is tiny and the ability of the NHS there to support the summer tourists is limited.

I followed this advice because this is what sensible people do, right? Follow the expert advice?

Imagine my stress sighs when I see the photos of her and her family on the beach this weekend whilst I am in fucking lockdown with three bairns and a big dug bouncing off the fucking walls, and no prospect of any beach summer for us this year.

Well, the response of the Scottish people to the CMO herself deciding “fuck the lockdown” has been predictable. All my my kith and kin are reporting that the lockdown is being fully disobeyed everywhere. The parks are absolutely jumping, the supermarkets are sold out of suncream, and the kids are out playing together in the streets same as ever.

This is what happens when you don’t follow your own fucking advice.

oh, a source: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...nd-catherine-calderwood-chief-medic-covid-19/

LOL.
Imagine thinking your betters would have the same rules as the plebs.

Also, archive.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

Law and order fears for NYC as nearly 10,000 NYPD and FDNY members call out sick amid a rise in burglaries while virus daily death toll DOUBLES in the city to 757
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...early-10-000-NYPD-FDNY-members-sick-city.html (http://archive.vn/XeOFa)

There are fears of a breakdown in law and order in New York as the city's key agencies feel the brunt of the coronavirus.

The NYPD has reported that up to a sixth of its force, or around 6,500 members called out sick towards the end of last week and the numbers are not expected to improve over the coming days.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Yeah, I admit it does sound like this official isn't completely at war with reality and could probably handle a disaster like this. It's just that, whenever you see someone trooning out, stanning hard for the LGBTBBQ crowd or pushing Social Justice, they usually turn out to be a blithering incompetent at their jobs (or just unremarkable at them), because they were affirmative-actioned or otherwise activismed into position. It's rare to see the unicorn (troonicorn?) who can actually put doing their job over their getting attention.

When you're a state-level official in Pennsylvania and working in Harrisburg, the bastions of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are miles and miles away. Even State College is a bit of a hike and you've got a lot of working class people to drive past before you get there. Besides, they have to handle this China Virus thing correctly so they can get back to being one of the most corrupt states in the Union. Who else is going to siphon off the money from the state store system and tell the schools to go pound sand?

Pennsylvania officials depend on all of the rest of you forgetting the place even exists in order to get away with crimes. And it has been a rousing success.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

BCG is the TB vaccine that leaves a scar on your arm, right?

If BCG is effective against coronavirus, and I'm not completely convinced at this point that it is, you'd have to change the vaccination pattern. E.g. immunize people every 15 years from the age of 50. So at 50, 65, 80, 95. There's a paper here which reckons that "We found that countries without universal policies of BCG vaccination (Italy, Nederland, USA) have been more severely affected compared to countries with universal and long-standing BCG policies. Countries that have a late start of universal BCG policy (Iran, 1984) had high mortality, consistent with the idea that BCG protects the vaccinated elderly population. "

People in the UK had the BCG vaccine at school for 10 to 14 year-olds until 2005. Unfortunately, it seems like it only gives 15 years of protection. So the last batch of people vaccinated in 2005 should just have lost protection against TB now, though this might not mean they've lost protection from coronavirus.

BCG vaccine - Wikipedia

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Isn't it wonderful how the Blair government vastly increased immigration, including from places like which have endemic multi drug-resistant-TB and decided to save a few pennies by ending vaccination?

This BCG thing is interesting though if you look at the maps of where they had universal BCG jabs, and when(if) they stopped.
Italy - never had a universal program
Spain universal ran from 1975 to 1981
UK universal ran from 1951 to 2005
Germany 1961 to 1998 (DDR 1951)
Belgium, Netherlands, Canada, US - never had universal

BCG Wold Atlas

A Global Database of BCG Policies and Practices

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Archive of bcgatlas (It's a PHP interactive site, not sure how much use an archive is)

The BCG World Atlas: A Database of Global BCG Vaccination Policies and Practices

NCBI archive

So, given it's the Boomer generation that are most at risk, does this explain the differences between Spain/Italy and UK/Germany. Also is the US fucked? Isn't the East of Germany less affected, though probably down to less foreign types coughing on them.

The vaccine doesn't have to be perfect. Any effect at all will nudge the numbers over large enough sample sizes.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

UK Daily (Covering 48 hour period)

195,524 Tested (+21,740)

47,806 Positive (+9638 )

4,934 Dead (+1,329)

Ayyy, Scotland's Chief Medial Officer being typically scottish, lmao

If Strugeon had a spine that didn't involve screeching "INDY REF TOOOOOOOOOOO" every ten seconds she'd have sacked the CMO immediately and very publically and found someone else.

Shock of shocks, she hasn't.

So now the SNP can add all the extra blessings of corona-chan to their own tally of people they've helped kill with their incompetence.

In fact, I'd be surprised there's not an angry, angry phone call going on between Johnson/Hancock and Sturgeon right this minute.

 

[AJneedsElocution]

I debated posting this but I’m FUCKING RAGING.

Scotland‘s Chief Medical Office has been formally warned by police after breaking the fucking lockdown to go up to her holiday home for the weekend. Context: today is the first actually nice sunny day most of Scotland has seen since about last September.

The fucking CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER broke the lockdown to do the exact thing she has been on TV threatening us all not to do for weeks.

Why so pissed? Because my holiday home is in the same fucking place as hers. Weeks ago now, I discussed with family/friends whether I should pick up the tots and the puppy and decamp to the seaside for the summer early. We spend their summers running wild on the beach, eating chips and generally enjoying life. The advice of all persons who were NHS connected was that the CMO HER PERSONAL SELF was shitting it and wouldn’t send her family away to the second home. The village is tiny and the ability of the NHS there to support the summer tourists is limited.

I followed this advice because this is what sensible people do, right? Follow the expert advice?

Imagine my stress sighs when I see the photos of her and her family on the beach this weekend whilst I am in fucking lockdown with three bairns and a big dug bouncing off the fucking walls, and no prospect of any beach summer for us this year.

Well, the response of the Scottish people to the CMO herself deciding “fuck the lockdown” has been predictable. All my my kith and kin are reporting that the lockdown is being fully disobeyed everywhere. The parks are absolutely jumping, the supermarkets are sold out of suncream, and the kids are out playing together in the streets same as ever.

This is what happens when you don’t follow your own fucking advice.

oh, a source: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...nd-catherine-calderwood-chief-medic-covid-19/

Its fucking embarrassing that Sturgeon just spent 20mins in her daily press conference deflecting and defending this daft bint,if she wont resign she has to be fired ffs

 

[heathercho]

From what I hear from my friends in Tokyo, no one takes this situation seriously and the measurements taken by the government amount to barely anything, though.

Eh, my family there is happy with it. They are in Kanto and have found it restrictive enough. They think Australia has acted insane. I guess my view is skewed because they aren't "taking it seriously" either. In contrast, neither are family in SK, in fact at first they were annoyed with moon jaein. Neither are taking it "seriously" to the same standard the west is - as in they aren't doing a whole lot different. Just masks flu season behaviour. No doomering.

I guess it depends who you ask. Expats there have been bleeting as usual about shit but they've also been whining about the Olympics being a waste of money. Like i said it depends on the people.

 

[moocow]

Law and order fears for NYC as nearly 10,000 NYPD and FDNY members call out sick amid a rise in burglaries while virus daily death toll DOUBLES in the city to 757
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...early-10-000-NYPD-FDNY-members-sick-city.html (http://archive.vn/XeOFa)

Sounds like Cuomo might have trouble enforcing that whole "steal ventilators from upstate" plan of his since he'll be too busy figuring out how to convince the National Guard to do local MP duty in NYC.

Of course, I'm sure he has private security and won't need to worry about the "diversity" paying him a visit amidst the upcoming crime wave.

 

[Ndnd]

Canada's government is absolutely spineless and the nation is fully cucked. The voting base here has no idea how anything works and just parrot US talking points. The country used to have its own manufacturing sector including metal works and electronics. The provinces don't do anything to spur trade so its cheaper to ship from some shit hole in China than it is to deliver local goods a few hundred km.

The US could say they were no longer going to pay for any Canadian imports or energy and Trudeau would saber rattle a little bit before stretching his asshole even wider for the girthy US schlong.

It's possible that sometime by 2021 Canada will have managed to manufacture a few hundred masks, of course SNC lavalin would get about a billion dollars out of it and it would turn out they forgot to include the elastics.

Trudeau is nothing more than the CCP’s obedient lap dog. I’m sure the rest of the Liberal Party of Canada is on their payroll too. They’ll just continue virtue signal and obfuscate like they usually do.

Federal heath minister Hajdu still adamantly defends the shitty Chinese data about the coronavirus (this is why we usually don’t put graphic designers in charge of important public health departments). Not that actual medical credentials matter. Dr. Theresa Tam is either an incompetent idiot or a CCP asset. Anyone with two brain cells would have stopped listening to the WHO back in January, but she continues to toe the CCP party line.

As far as I’m concerned, Trudeau and his cronies should all be tried and hanged for treason. Throughout this crisis they continually put the CCP’s interests ahead of those of Canadians.

Meanwhile frontline caregivers like my pregnant sister are having to deal with the PPE shortages. At the moment her hospital is completely out of N95 masks, and they’re running low on surgical masks too. Now each nurse is expected to use the same surgical mask for the entire duration of their shift.

Shits going to get a lot worse before it gets better...

 

[Otterly]

My initial thoughts on BCG are that it will probably be effective for a few months to years against this. It’s a general immune revving up mechanism (it’s used against bladder cancer.) But again it’s an already tried, generally safe and widely available measure. Why not? It’s one more weapon in the armoury. I’ve had it as a kid at school and I was too fly against it being removed from the schedule, especially, as pointed out above, we now have TB rates comparable with the third world in our inner cities

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

So http://covid19.healthdata.org/ the Covid Projections site has done something curious.

As of yesterday, it said "Last Daily Update April 1, 2020" with a note to check back on Sat April 4 for an update.

Now it says the "Last Daily Update" is still April 1, but now there's a note saying "As the pandemic progresses, we are working to incorporate new data about the virus in the US."

From what I've heard, this was one of the models that states and the Federal Govt were using to predict peaks, bed/icu shortages, and ventalator needs. It also had daily death projections.

Could it be that the new numbers came in really bad, and they knew this site was available to the public and didn't want the new projections to get out there so they froze them?

Just asking questions, maaaaaan.

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