Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

Nina... she integrated with Chloe in September 2019 to form Nin.
Chloe... integrated with Nina in September 2019 to form Nin.
Leslie 'died' by integrating with Ace in August 2019.
Omega... she is a female ghost.

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Jade first appeared in the cave within the inner world. She felt concerned but mostly tired and confused. A woman named Margaret came to visit Jade in order to explain her role. Margaret was an old slender woman with grey hair. Margaret told Jade that she was her Mother. She told Jade that she was also named Margaret, though Jade rejected this name and chose the name Jade with the help of 'somebody on the outside'. Margaret gave Jade a necklace. She told Jade that the necklace must never leave the cave. The necklace had the power to keep the people in the inner world safe. If the necklace left the cave, then evil spirits would enter the inner world. As a result, Jade wears the necklace constantly. Margaret left the cave. Ruby stepped in to raise Jade.

Glass is a protector in the system and a non-human fairy alter. Her wings and hair are made out of shattered glass. She provides aftercare for alters who have experienced flashbacks. She lives in the forest in the inner world. Her job is to protect 'locked' alters who are lost in the forest.

Jesus Christ, she could at least try to not make it sound like a shitty YA novel.

Nadia is the spiritual protector. She is a 17 year old pansexual slender female who does not age. She has been 17 for a while. She describes herself as the embodiment of sunshine and represents the freedom Chloe did not get in her childhood. Nadia is a Native American with dark skin. She wears her hair in braids and is drawn wearing traditional dress. Nadia has memories of a past life including a family prior to becoming a part of Chloe's system. She collects crystals and rune stones, and is interested in aromatherapy. Nadia has a great deal of energy which can drain the body as Chloe suffers from chronic fatigue syndrome. She holds relationship trauma from Chloe's teenage years. She suffers from depression.

Why she Native-American (rhetorical)? Chloe, you're British... does England not have native peoples? Or did your spiritual protector have to be Native-American since they're so cool and mysterious?

Also,
Baby Name Wizard said:
Origin of the name Nadia:
French form of the Russian Nadya, a pet form of Nadezhda, which is directly derived from the word meaning "hope." The name was introduced to France early in the 20th century when the Ballet Ruse was established in Paris.
Nadia isn't even a Native name, c'mon Chloe at least do a little research, she has a prior storyline but you couldn't even bother giving her a traditional name. Speaking of that what tribe was Nadia apart of? I get that Chloe has no consistency but I swear, this amount fuckery is hard to understand/handle mate.

-freedom Chloe did not get in her childhood.

I swear Chloe cannot keep her story straight for 5 minutes.

Nadia has memories of a past life including a family prior to becoming a part of Chloe's system.

How? Let me guess, Nadia is going to turn out to be fictive--
Chloe said:
-and her background (meaning her fictional source, a character in a children’s book)...
Oh, I spoke too soon.

Is Nadia a fucking soulbond? Chloe's inner world is actually the Final Fantasy House?

Nadia has a great deal of energy which can drain the body... She suffers from depression.

No comment.

Ruby... for some reason, insists that she is not a murderer.

Wonder is Chloe has any skeletons hidden in the inner world closet? Next alter is going to be a victim of Ruby's and we'll get to watch them fight each other while co-con live.
 
'sometimes you don't respond to your name'? (At 3:32)I've never heard of a therapist who has met various people in their patients lives, let alone talk to them enough to know how the patient and their acquaintances interact.
It could've been during family therapy (also known as family systems therapy) or some sort of relationship therapy, in which the therapist often asks the family member or spouse/significant other how they notice their family member is mentally ill. Not responding to your name is a sign of autism though, not DID. However considering this was during Chloe's therapy traject and not someone else's she used as an example, this most likely isn't the result of family systems therapy, just her bad lying
 
Sure, but she jumped at the opportunity to tell the group it was her and laugh about it. Typically laughing about a suicide attempt (which this doesn't sound like it actually was) is a defense mechanism from dealing with the shame and guilt that you can feel about it. Volunteering the information AND laughing about it sounds like attention-seeking behavior imo.


Bear in mind, this is also in a group chat of more than 200 members.
 
It could be tbh but also just how inapprpriate it would imo to joke about it considering it was around the same time she was trying to get diagnosed with DID and already stopped attending university. But i guess thats just me

There’s definitely a time and place and that was neither the time nor the place, especially considering she said her friends were very distraught. I mean, some people don’t really understand what is socially appropriate and what isn’t, but Chloe’s not one of those people. She knows better.

So, the main issue here for me is how the brain develops an identity, and the fact that in DID there presents fragmented parts of that identity that may develop into distinct identity states. Everyone has different states of consciousness, right? What is significant in dissociative disorders, and DID especially, is additional states that do not require additional substances (like alcohol) to develop, whether temporary or permanent. There is significant falsified research that tells us that memory formation is dependent on the state of consciousness you are in at the time (there are other memory formation factors, as well, like mood and environment, but it's irrelevant in this particular context). When someone gets "black-out drunk", and they don't remember anything, it's not because they weren't forming memories, it's because they are no longer in that state of consciousness. This means that the brain is designed to deal with trauma and stress with how it encodes memories. This is not unique to dissociative disorders.

A lot of development happens prior to birth. Even babies have sophisticated unconscious and conscious learning mechanisms. There's a ton of research showing that babies know not only that they are human (in that they recognize other human beings as their kind, vs recognizing that a dog is not their kind and being interested in it in a curious way), but also can tell when other human movements are social (waving at each other) or non-social (throwing a ball). Prior to age 3, children develop the concrete self, which is not based on memory. Things like that they are a child. A human. Small. These are things that, in effect, we are born to properly develop unless there is a severe neurological problem.

We do not start developing the remembered self until after this, when we start to understand that not only can we feel bad or good, but other people can be bad or good. This is about the time when splitting (black and white thinking) and dissociative disorders start to develop. In early childhood (around ages 3-7) the brain has not yet learned to integrate the identity states of others (splitting) and the identity states of the self (dissociative disorders). When trauma and severe and extreme distress occurs, this becomes a defense mechanism, and the brain never integrates these identities (others and/or self) to protect itself from damage. Cortisol, the stress hormone causes damage to the brain's functioning. This lack of integration to keep traumatic memories hidden in inaccessible states of consciousness is a part of the inherent will to survive.

So, my issue with this idea that children will think of themselves as characters, use their imagination, etc, etc, doesn't make sense. By the time this disorder develops, the child is cognizant of the fact that they are human. They also do not consciously create the identities, rather the states themselves are the catalyst for any fragments of the whole identity, and the process is a completely unconscious one that occurs naturally by design to protect brain function and long-term survival.

Anything else is delusion, and you can find several of these fantastical and illusional dissociation and depersonalization/derealization symptoms in literature on schizophrenia and other traumatic brain injuries that cause Oneiroid syndrome (which Nan might actually be experiencing due to her actual traumatic brain injury).

EXPLAIN FURRIES! Checkm8.

No, lol, in all seriousness thank you for this well thought out response. I don’t know much about the human mind, I was just basing my opinion on stuff I’ve seen kids do IRL, but what you say 100% makes sense and I retract my earlier statement! I genuinely never realized the forming blocks of identity and self-awareness in the human mind began so early, that was incredibly fascinating! I bless everyone in this thread who is knowledgeable on these subjects as I’m learning a lot, tbh.
 
Tbh and despite negative reacts, I thought of it like how kids make up non-human imaginary friends. Considering a lot of children’s media involves animals/anthropomorphic animals, wouldn’t it make sense if a child who does have form DID because of trauma to create an animal-like alter if they’re exposed more to that kind of media? Especially since animals are, in a sense, more free and more equipped to deal with danger than your average kid. Children have vast and creative imaginations and are weird little fuckers who are easily impressionable. When they play pretend, they don’t always play as people.

This is just speculation and I hate even trying to speculate on a disorder I don’t really believe in.:(


That's kinda why to me these non-human alters aren't legit, because the parts of the brain that have these sort of creative and imaginative ideas (and I'm not an expert) are different from the parts of the brain that would be stressed with trauma if that makes sense. That fight or flight response is very base and primitive, you wouldn't see an imaginative kid reactively trying to like, fly away from a situation like Superman or something. Baseless speculation though.
 
Honestly I feel sorry for her, it's clear that there's something wrong but I can't believe it's DID. I agree with some others thoughts on the matter, that maybe she herself believes the lie which is very sad. I believe if Nan wasn't in the picture then Chloe wouldn't be getting this extreme (with the littles I mean) as she is.
First Post so if I'm going against any etiquette that I'm unaware of then I apologise.

Also as a side note; In the video where Chloe is talking to her best friend and answering questions about DID, she said something along the lines of "I first heard of DID from a nurse". Which contradicts when she said that her first time hearing about it was when a therapist suggested it to her. I'm a bit hazy on the facts but I'll edit this post when I find the sources for everything. I'll also edit the paraphrasing to include Chloes actual words. Sorry if this has been mentioned I have been slowly reading this whole thread over a series of days and this may have been posted but I'll put this here just incase.

Edit: Okay I got it mixed up slightly. In the video titled 'MEET OUR CHILDHOOD BEST FRIEND | Your DID Questions | Dissociative Identity Disorder' she says "A therapist had suggested it to me" and before she has stated that it was a nurse that had suggested it to her.
 
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4 August 2019 - Chloe posts 'I'm a BAD PERSON!! INTRUSIVE THOUGHTS & How To Cope | A Beginners Guide To Mental Health'
Chloe reveals that she is taking Sertraline/Zoloft. She has misplaced her medication and is suffering from withdrawals.

Maybe it's just me, but this seems like such a weird thing for a mental health educator to ask.

The common sense solution here is to contact the person who prescribed the medication and let them know you misplaced your meds. (Sertraline isn't a controlled substance, though I don't know how things work with prescriptions in the UK.) You don't cluelessly wander onto Twitter to ask the fans you're supposed to be educating for advice.

And this is only my own anecdotal experience, but I've never in my life heard of anyone having trouble standing and burning up because of Sertraline withdrawl. The biggest risk is crashing into a really bad depression. I'm sure there are other possible withdrawal symptoms, but "Burning up" fire emoji "Too dizzy to stand." seems really overdramatic.

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Still going through the timeline, but just to add...

Murmer is a non-human alter. She is a mermaid who was briefly mentioned on Twitter.
Murmer (I honestly thought her name was Merma before now. NOW I hear Murmer.) is a trauma holder based on Wintertime and Halloween trauma. She lives in the river of their inner world, so I'm guessing she's not unlike Omega.
 
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I'm thoroughly enjoying the input of Craig if I'm honest. Anyway, as promised. For the newcomers to the DissociaDID saga:

23 September 1996 Chloe is born in Manningtree, Essex.

23 September 2000 - Chloe turns 4.

2000-2001 - Kyle appears as primary protector.

23 September 2001 - Chloe turns 5.

2001-2002 - Kyle appears as primary protector. Again.

23 September 2004 - Chloe turns 8.

2004/2005 -Chloe first begins to dissociate at the age of 8. TOI Interview. Page 42-46.

Summer 2013 - Chloe graduates from Manningtree High School at the age of 16.

September 2013- Chloe enrols at The Sixth Form College Colchester.
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23 September 2013 - Chloe turns 17.

25 September 2013 - Chloe states that she has never been raped.

24 January 2014 - Chloe states that she had a happy childhood.

23 September 2014 - Chloe turns 18 during her second year at college.

30 October 2014 - Chloe dresses up as a battered woman.
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Late 2014 - Early 2015
-Chloe makes her first suicide attempt at sixth form college.
-A nurse informs her that her 'internal monologue' is not normal.
-A psychiatrist prescribes medication which helps with her suicidal thoughts.
-Chloe feels that her internal monologue has suddenly developed self awareness. She feels possessed.
-Her psychiatrist says her internal monologue is nothing to worry about.
-Chloe stops seeing her psychiatrist.
-She meets a therapist who suggests that she may have DID.
-She decides her DID is fantasy and the 'voices' go away.
-Chloe also claimed that her therapist in Colchester did not know what DID was.
-Chloe herself introduced her therapist to the concept of DID.

Great job... don't forget this link from Chloe's blog that another user found that points to her talking about systems and internal worlds in 2014 around the time of her suicide attempt. The blog post says 6 years ago and she was already talking about DID like an expert


Sorry guys. I misunderstood. This is a post on tumblr from 6 years ago that Chloe liked from her tumblr by another user not one she created herself
 
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does England not have native peoples?
Sadly, the native peoples of England (Celts) are white.
EXPLAIN FURRIES! Checkm8.
Furfags/otherkin is considered to be a religious belief.
Interestingly, that could be a possible interpretation for the online DID malingerers, given how they seem to believe their own bullshit and the similarities it has to spiritualism and concepts of possession.
And this is only my own anecdotal experience, but I've never in my life heard of anyone having trouble standing and burning up because of Sertraline withdrawl. The biggest risk is crashing into a really bad depression. I'm sure there are other possible withdrawal symptoms, but "Burning up" fire emoji "Too dizzy to stand." seems really overdramatic.
Balance issues and poor heat tolerance are possible symptoms.
 
Here's a tweet from a Q&A from Glass the fairy.

So, apparently, Chloe's repeated and ritualized childhood trauma was at or before the age of 3???
There are so many holes in this story the more I look into it. I honestly didn't think she was acting when I saw her channel at first. I believe she may have convinced herself she has DID. After seeing the stuff in this thread.
 
Here's a tweet from a Q&A from Glass the fairy.

So, apparently, Chloe's repeated and ritualized childhood trauma was at or before the age of 3???
Except that her loving, upper-middle class parents WEREN'T the perpetrators (by Chloe's own admission) and she's also said her parents have no clue when or how she could've been abused. Ritual abuse would be incredibly fucking obvious to a parent, considering the child would be missing for long chunks of time and have visible injuries, etc. The whole thing that makes ritual abuse ritual abuse is that it's way, WAY worse than your run-of-the-mill child abuse. Physical torture, that kind of shit. No way in hell would her parents not be able to say "oh, well you spent weeks at that one church/nanny's house/etc.....but we have no clue when you could've been abused!" If they aren't the perpetrators, your very first thought is to go to whoever had prolonged, unsupervised contact with the child. And even if there WAS this scenario, RITUAL ABUSE isn't some shit the child just wouldn't talk about and the parents would never know. There would be physical evidence at LEAST. Chloe, your parents don't know when you could've been abused because you never were. No instances of physical harm without cause? Blisters or other wounds on the pelvic region? Chronic incontinence past the age of potty-training, outbursts at school, etc? She describes having a "happy childhood," and has never mentioned that there were instances (that she CLEARLY would've told us, lol. Anything to convince her audience that donates to her poor wittle abused self) in school/etc that would be the hallmark indicators of abuse.

Anyway, this is fucking bullshit. Chloe is faking, we been knew. I know some people in this thread don't believe in DID at all, but as someone who does believe it is a real disorder, this bitch is doing a bang-up job of convincing everyone otherwise. "Fighting stigma" my ass, she's creating more doubt around it because SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE DAMN DISORDER.
 
You are simply incredible looking incredibly autistic for putting all of this together. You can really see the discrepancies and holes in her stories all laid out there.

I think that's why I found it so important to lay it all out. Firstly so the newcomers can stop asking basic questions and read one post, and secondly because it really is quite clear to see what isn't adding up with her when you examine point by point.

In Chloe's defence, saying you're a psychology undergraduate doesn't mean you're saying you made it through your degree. That would make you a 'graduate'.
We all know she wants us to believe she has even a degree level qualification in psychology, though. Probably careful yet manipulative word choice on her part.

It's another interesting example of her subtle deception. I think alone it might not be such a big deal but in the grand scheme of things when you consider the rest of her discrepancies it becomes significant. I don't think she was lying about being asked to leave university for treatment but I do think she wants us to believe she is better qualified than she is.
She talks about having gone to university for psychology as if that's significant but when you look at the timeline, she started at the very end of September and tried to kill herself in early December. She had two and a half months of that degree at maximum, and according to her she missed so many classes she was threatened with expulsion anyway. Her 'psychology undergrad' experience is barely worth mentioning yet she chose to.

Here's a tweet from a Q&A from Glass the fairy.

So, apparently, Chloe's repeated and ritualized childhood trauma was at or before the age of 3???

Wouldn't that mean that Glass appeared before Kyle? Interesting. I'll add it to the timeline. And they called me optimistic for hoping she'd come out with some elaborate religious cult story :story:

Sadly, the native peoples of England (Celts) are white.

How unfortunate.

Except that her loving, upper-middle class parents WEREN'T the perpetrators (by Chloe's own admission) and she's also said her parents have no clue when or how she could've been abused. Ritual abuse would be incredibly fucking obvious to a parent, considering the child would be missing for long chunks of time and have visible injuries, etc. The whole thing that makes ritual abuse ritual abuse is that it's way, WAY worse than your run-of-the-mill child abuse. Physical torture, that kind of shit. No way in hell would her parents not be able to say "oh, well you spent weeks at that one church/nanny's house/etc.....but we have no clue when you could've been abused!" If they aren't the perpetrators, your very first thought is to go to whoever had prolonged, unsupervised contact with the child. And even if there WAS this scenario, RITUAL ABUSE isn't some shit the child just wouldn't talk about and the parents would never know. There would be physical evidence at LEAST. Chloe, your parents don't know when you could've been abused because you never were. No instances of physical harm without cause? Blisters or other wounds on the pelvic region? Chronic incontinence past the age of potty-training, outbursts at school, etc? She describes having a "happy childhood," and has never mentioned that there were instances (that she CLEARLY would've told us, lol. Anything to convince her audience that donates to her poor wittle abused self) in school/etc that would be the hallmark indicators of abuse.

And yet she hints frequently on Twitter that living in her parents home was traumatic for her. We know what her trauma was. Her parents didn't buy her a Bop It. That's the only concrete thing she has ever said that I've actually believed. Whenever she addresses her parents in videos or collaborations she says they're very supportive. I've got pictures of her Mother I'm reluctant to post as they haven't asked to be involved in her bullshit and she has subtly accused them of them very damning things. I know you can never tell simply by looking at someone but her Mother is a very well put together woman. She posts mostly about her dog, Chloe, and Chloe's younger brother, who incidentally doesn't appear to suffer from any mental illness. Honestly, where is a 3 year old going for extended periods that the parents don't know about? How are they coming back with no signs of distress or injury if what happened to them was so damaging she went on to develop DID? It's a lie and I have no respect for the girl.

The fragment alters in the basement bent over barrels and chained to the walls and sitting in liquid? That sounds like something very extreme and very distressing. That sounds like ritualistic abuse or extreme abuse in the home. It makes me sick to think that she has dreamt up some of the worst things that could possibly happen to a child and claimed them as her own experience. What trauma survivor would build that kind of abuse into a game of the sims whilst talking cheerfully about the design of the basement in which they are trapped?

If she truly believes that these are real people, along with the those who are trapped in the forest still experiencing trauma flashbacks, then she is technically torturing these 'people' if we're using her logic. By not engaging with appropriate therapy and not working towards integration she is leaving these 'altars' trapped in the basement and forest suffering until 'the body ' dies. I don't believe DID works like that but if I did... what a fucking bitch.
 
Furfags/otherkin is considered to be a religious belief.
Interestingly, that could be a possible interpretation for the online DID malingerers, given how they seem to believe their own bullshit and the similarities it has to spiritualism and concepts of possession.

Oh, lawd, I was only joking about that. But, uh... wow... TDIL furry/other kin is like a religion. My irl cows who claimed they had DID were also furries, but luckily never claimed to have non-human alters. Or maybe they just decided to spare me of that and if so, thank god. :cryblood:

There are so many holes in this story the more I look into it. I honestly didn't think she was acting when I saw her channel at first. I believe she may have convinced herself she has DID. After seeing the stuff in this thread.

I know I’ve said it before, but it really just baffles me how shit Chloe is at covering her tracks. At this point, it just feels brazen, but I’m sure she never thought that anyone would be able to dig up her past or that she could just cry, “omg they’re lying and bullying me by spreading false info and fake caps! They totally photoshopped that!” or some shit. Mark my words. Especially the fake screen cap part.

I've got pictures of her Mother I'm reluctant to post as they haven't asked to be involved in her bullshit and she has subtly accused them of them very damning things.

I do agree that we shouldn’t really involve anyone from her life that isn’t involved with her DID shenanigans. However, could you just blur out their faces to mask their identity should you choose to post pics?
 
I know I’ve said it before, but it really just baffles me how shit Chloe is at covering her tracks. At this point, it just feels brazen, but I’m sure she never thought that anyone would be able to dig up her past or that she could just cry, “omg they’re lying and bullying me by spreading false info and fake caps! They totally photoshopped that!” or some shit. Mark my words. Especially the fake screen cap part.

I forget where in all of this I saw it, but her fandom when faced with inconsistent timelines and such will just sperg out about how it's part of DID.
 
DID doesn't just come from a one-off incident of sexual abuse or beating, it comes from living in an environment that is life-endangering and that brings horrific abuse regularly for a prolonged period of time. The level of trauma required to produce DID is almost always more severe than that of PTSD.
I think her parents, if they are aware of her claims, should be very appalled. Since - if they weren't the perpetrators (which would be unfeasible given that this had to happen <3 years into life) - they are at least implied as being very ignorant. We're talking 'mum & dad let me off long enough that my preschool teacher stuck nails up my vagina every day for 2 years', 'mum & dad never took me to the doctor when they found me with my panties full of blood covered in bruises' level neglectful and oblivious. Not exactly supportive and loving. The kind of neglect that would be necessary for a child to be that badly abused is the kind that could have their parental rights revoked if they have any other children.
 
I forget where in all of this I saw it, but her fandom when faced with inconsistent timelines and such will just sperg out about how it's part of DID.

oh, they 100% will and it’s to be expected. Her audience is already so gullible and some are even willfully blind and she’s banking on that as most cows do. What I really want to see is Anthony Padilla make a video disavowing Chloe and showing all the evidence against her. Her fans will of course sperg and defend her, but maybe it’d make some of them start to question her and I’d like to see how she will respond to that. Unfortunately, like comrade said, it’s a highly controversial subject that is bound to inspire anger and sympathy in her fans and can potentially be damaging to a YTer’s career since she puts on the “uwu I love and support everyone and I never want to hurt anyone I’m just here to help” front. It’s clever, really, because it just makes it harder for people to call her out.
 
oh, they 100% will and it’s to be expected. Her audience is already so gullible and some are even willfully blind and she’s banking on that as most cows do. What I really want to see is Anthony Padilla make a video disavowing Chloe and showing all the evidence. Her fans will of course sperg and defend her, but maybe it’d make some of them start to question her and how she will respond to that.

The problem is there's nothing so far that I would qualify as damning to a degree that even her less devout fans would find issue with. That is part of the reason why DID is such a popular Tumblr disease because you're absolved of almost all skepticism of wrongdoing unless someone can find a screenshot of her going on a rant of "I don't have DID, man those people who subscribe to my channel are idiots" and even then Chloe can just shrug and say one of her "persecutor" alters did it. Maybe I'm overthinking it though.
 
The problem is there's nothing so far that I would qualify as damning to a degree that even her less devout fans would find issue with. That is part of the reason why DID is such a popular Tumblr disease because you're absolved of almost all skepticism of wrongdoing unless someone can find a screenshot of her going on a rant of "I don't have DID, man those people who subscribe to my channel are idiots" and even then Chloe can just shrug and say one of her "persecutor" alters did it. Maybe I'm overthinking it though.

No, you’re right because that’s actually the kind of society we’re living in at the moment. You have to have receipts and, if you do, they have to be concrete and even then it’s really easy to just wave it off as fake news. Plus, mental health is such a delicate subject still and since it’s becoming more talked about and people are pushing for more acceptance and less stigma, people are more likely to stick up for someone like Chloe because it’s not nice to accuse someone of faking an illness and they want those woke points. Any kind of disagreement or skepticism is immediately seen as being intolerant and harmful/toxic.
 
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