Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[heterotic]

I'm still of the opinion that she has more or less convinced herself she has DID Final Fantasy House style.

I am on the fence. Some of her more egregious behavior, like inventing or alluding to long-term sexual abuse and neglect doesn't strike me as something someone who believes they have DID would do. If she truly believed she had DID, and suffered trauma that no one can process without the right kind of supportive environment (which she has), why isn't she trying to get help?

She went from "being desperate to get help" and finding Pottergate to diagnosis of DID to OC Alter YouTuber in a matter of WEEKS. Not even months. Her first thought with a diagnosis in hand was self-serving and centered around behavior she has clearly exhibited in the past: seeking attention and wanting to be admired for her strength in overcoming her past and on-going struggle. There's no reason for her to get better because her entire channel is centered around content about having alters. If she got therapy to process the trauma she supposedly endured and became a whole identity, her content would dry up. Not because she'd no longer be capable of developing OC, but because the nature of it - the need for admiration and appreciation - could not be satisfied if she just writes it as fiction.

She lacks a particular measure of empathy to do what she's doing. And I just cannot believe that she thinks she has DID. I think she has something else, and is mostly aware that she didn't have a traumatic childhood. She's done enough research on victims of trauma in childhood who dissociate to know that they try to convince themselves that trauma did not happen, not the other way around.

I do not want to speculate, as I'm not a mental health professional and obviously not seeing Chloe IRL, but whatever she has must be something that you are predisposed to genetically and activated by a boring childhood with good parents. Like Histrionic Personality Disorder, which research shows may be caused by a predisposition of certain inheritable traits and a lack of criticism and/or punishment as a child. What's interesting about HPD is that it can be caused by absent parents (unpredictable parental attention) or parents who don't provide enough discipline, but meant well.

 

[Fucksakes]

The time and date on her browser during the entire sketching seems dodgy - it jumps all over the place. I assumed these alters were completing this project in a single evening or at least in the order she had edited the video in?

ETA: the first drawing starts on Thursday and then “darks” drawing starts on Wednesday

 

[Lurk]

And used it better than most beginners even though it was “their first time using a tablet and drawing in photoshop.”

Well that's complete bollocks. I found this Facebook page the other day: https://www.facebook.com/CNWilkinsonArt/ I forgot to post it here and it didn't seem very interesting aside from being another money making attempt of hers. She has plenty of experience using Photoshop

 

[DissociaDONT]

Amira is a non-human alter. She is a tiger who likes the colour orange. She speaks with a hard to identify accent though it sounds a touch racist.

It seems that Amira might be a Fruit's Basket fictive. So her second anime fictive if you count the little goblin man persecutor from... some different anime. I don't remember which video that was in. I think someone posted a link to it earlier in the thread.

Apparently, Amira made Riven feel very territorial. I don't know what Riven's relationship is to the anime tiger loli, but I know they've met and my imagination is filling in blanks I wish it wouldn't.

 

[crankytomas]

I'm not sure if sharing my experience is okay but I thought it might be relevant considering that Chloe is sponsored by betterhelp(?)

I highly doubt that she is attending therapy, as she doesn't live in Norwich anymore. I assume that her therapy is probably from BetterHelp and they most certainly are not specialists on dealing with dissociative identity disorder. I remember my first few sessions on Betterhelp, the therapist suggested that I may have DID which was the first time I have ever heard of it. She told me that it sounds like I have cPTSD and most likely have DID as well. I was sent a LONG questionnaire to answer and it was to check if I had the symptoms of DID and I scored highly on it. I discontinued it just because I thought it was probably a scam due to how easily they suggest these labels and also, I already had an appointment for therapy on the NHS. I mentioned to the NHS therapist that these were mentioned to me and they told me to not focus on any labels, and to focus on the coping techniques. It took months before I got referred to a psychiatrist which diagnosed me with something else under the dissociative category. It is very debilitating that it causes me so much anxiety of when its gonna happen next, even after 5 years of continuing therapy. I cannot imagine how someone who has DID can function so well and so quickly right after a diagnosis which took 3 hours to get. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.


(let me know if this isn't allowed)

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

I am on the fence. Some of her more egregious behavior, like inventing or alluding to long-term sexual abuse and neglect doesn't strike me as something someone who believes they have DID would do. If she truly believed she had DID, and suffered trauma that no one can process without the right kind of supportive environment (which she has), why isn't she trying to get help?

She went from "being desperate to get help" and finding Pottergate to diagnosis of DID to OC Alter YouTuber in a matter of WEEKS. Not even months. Her first thought with a diagnosis in hand was self-serving and centered around behavior she has clearly exhibited in the past: seeking attention and wanting to be admired for her strength in overcoming her past and on-going struggle. There's no reason for her to get better because her entire channel is centered around content about having alters. If she got therapy to process the trauma she supposedly endured and became a whole identity, her content would dry up. Not because she'd no longer be capable of developing OC, but because the nature of it - the need for admiration and appreciation - could not be satisfied if she just writes it as fiction.

She lacks a particular measure of empathy to do what she's doing. And I just cannot believe that she thinks she has DID. I think she has something else, and is mostly aware that she didn't have a traumatic childhood. She's done enough research on victims of trauma in childhood who dissociate to know that they try to convince themselves that trauma did not happen, not the other way around.

I do not want to speculate, as I'm not a mental health professional and obviously not seeing Chloe IRL, but whatever she has must be something that you are predisposed to genetically and activated by a boring childhood with good parents. Like Histrionic Personality Disorder, which research shows may be caused by a predisposition of certain inheritable traits and a lack of criticism and/or punishment as a child. What's interesting about HPD is that it can be caused by absent parents (unpredictable parental attention) or parents who don't provide enough discipline, but meant well.

Funny how they want mental health to be serious business but offensive munchie bitches treat it like a joke. Do they really seriously want help for the mentally ill? Probably not. If you really had a fucking fraction of your personality closed off in your head living as a different person, there's no metaphorical "forest" or "basement", you're not in a fucking shit young adult novel.

 

[comrade666]

It seems that Amira might be a Fruit's Basket fictive. So her second anime fictive if you count the little goblin man persecutor from... some different anime. I don't remember which video that was in. I think someone posted a link to it earlier in the thread.

Apparently, Amira made Riven feel very territorial. I don't know what Riven's relationship is to the anime tiger loli, but I know they've met and my imagination is filling in blanks I wish it wouldn't.

An age sliding anime tiger? Great. I'll update the alter posts tonight. Thanks for digging through the streams. She hides a lot of interesting shit in there but sitting through hours to find the interesting points is so much effort.

Whilst on the subject of her guinea pig stream, has anyone actually seen her mention them recently? I know they've travelled from house to house with her. Wondering if she's the type of influencer to buy cute pets for videos before losing interest. I know Amber the dog she occasionally features in videos belongs to and lives with her Mother, so she doesn't count.

I highly doubt that she is attending therapy, as she doesn't live in Norwich anymore.

In her 'day in the life' video she reveals that she makes a three hour round trip to go back to Norwich for therapy. That was posted in September 2018 and she was living in Colchester with her parents as far as I know at that time. She also admits that she pays for private treatment which would line up with Pottergate.

 

[Niggard]

Well that's complete bollocks. I found this Facebook page the other day: https://www.facebook.com/CNWilkinsonArt/ I forgot to post it here and it didn't seem very interesting aside from being another money making attempt of hers. She has plenty of experience using Photoshop

"Well, that was Chloe, she died when she integrated" or something.

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I guess Dark is African?

 

[DissociaDONT]

An age sliding anime tiger? Great. I'll update the alter posts tonight. Thanks for digging through the streams. She hides a lot of interesting shit in there but sitting through hours to find the interesting points is so much effort.

I can't imagine watching them all the way through. Mostly I skip around in the video while listening to it at 2x speed.

After a little more skipping around, some highlights include:

• Chloe waffling over whether or not asking fans to pay for Nan's visa is a morally bankrupt thing to do. (She talks about it a lot over the course of the video, estimates it would cost $7000, and meanwhile donations from fans are increasing.)
• Kati Morton shouldn't be a mental health educator and advocate. She has no clue what she's talking about. (I don't care for Kati Morton either, but still... The irony.)
• A whole segment where Chloe and Riven talk about how they're friends with benefits and how Chloe and Nan are getting married for the visa.

ETA:
I don't remember the time stamp, but at one point someone asks her about captions. Apparently, she mentioned something about them being available previously. She goes on to complain that she clicked the box to have Youtube add captions, but it wasn't working right. A fan mentions that Youtube auto-captions are nonsensical.

Chloe's response is something to the effect of, "lol, yeah. You can add fan captions, though. So if anyone wants to transcribe or translate our videos, that'd be great. Captions are so important. My partner is hard of hearing and I know I have deaf viewers, so..."

I've seen Chloe insist that they just make enough to put a roof over their head and food on their table. If we're to believe the rest goes back into the channel, is there some reason why she can't pay for someone to transcribe her videos? She talks about how important accessibility is. It's not an incredibly expensive thing to do.

 

[Punkinsplice]

Is it a crime to marry for a visa in the UK, or is this a visa for Chloe to live in the US? Broadcasting something like that is pretty sketch, but I might be confusing it with getting citizenship.

 

[Ryanstartedthefire]

I've seen Chloe insist that they just make enough to put a roof over their head and food on their table. If we're to believe the rest goes back into the channel, is there some reason why she can't pay for someone to transcribe her videos? She talks about how important accessibility is. It's not an incredibly expensive thing to do.

Social Blade estimates her yearly income on youtube to be around $52k- $800k.
Thats just from adsense and doesn't include money earned through sponsorships or anything she earns through Patreon.

ETA: Heres Hamber's social blade for comparison.

 

[DissociaDONT]

Is it a crime to marry for a visa in the UK, or is this a visa for Chloe to live in the US? Broadcasting something like that is pretty sketch, but I might be confusing it with getting citizenship.

So Nan can move to the UK. Chloe insists they were going to get married anyway, they're just speeding up the timeline so Nan can get a visa. Honestly I'm not generally bothered by anyone getting married for legal reasons.

But, no. Not a great idea. Especially when you're considering getting your fans involved for the costs. Also, those two getting married seems like a huge, co-dependent mistake, but that's its own can of worms.

afaik, Nan's visa recently got rejected.

 

[Punkinsplice]

So Nan can move to the UK. Chloe insists they were going to get married anyway, they're just speeding up the timeline so Nan can get a visa. Honestly I'm not generally bothered by anyone getting married for legal reasons.

But, no. Not a great idea. Especially when you're considering getting your fans involved for the costs. Also, those two getting married seems like a huge, co-dependent mistake, but that's its own can of worms.

afaik, Nan's visa recently got rejected.

Yeah, I don't care if people do that on their own dime and time, but fundraising for it is just stupid, leaves a trail. Lol that the visa was rejected, too.

 

[comrade666]

I can't imagine watching them all the way through. Mostly I skip around in the video while listening to it at 2x speed.

After a little more skipping around, some highlights include:

• Chloe waffling over whether or not asking fans to pay for Nan's visa is a morally bankrupt thing to do. (She talks about it a lot over the course of the video, estimates it would cost $7000, and meanwhile donations from fans are increasing.)
• Kati Morton shouldn't be a mental health educator and advocate. She has no clue what she's talking about. (I don't care for Kati Morton either, but still... The irony.)
• A whole segment where Chloe and Riven talk about how they're friends with benefits and how Chloe and Nan are getting married for the visa.

ETA:
I don't remember the time stamp, but at one point someone asks her about captions. Apparently, she mentioned something about them being available previously. She goes on to complain that she clicked the box to have Youtube add captions, but it wasn't working right. A fan mentions that Youtube auto-captions are nonsensical.

Chloe's response is something to the effect of, "lol, yeah. You can add fan captions, though. So if anyone wants to transcribe or translate our videos, that'd be great. Captions are so important. My partner is hard of hearing and I know I have deaf viewers, so..."

I've seen Chloe insist that they just make enough to put a roof over their head and food on their table. If we're to believe the rest goes back into the channel, is there some reason why she can't pay for someone to transcribe her videos? She talks about how important accessibility is. It's not an incredibly expensive thing to do.

I tend to watch at x2 though I find some of her accents difficult to keep up with at that speed so I find myself only watching slightly faster. Tedious work really.

What I found interesting in the video you linked featuring mentions of Murmer (which is the spelling she used on Twitter that drives me slightly insane) is that she mentioned Murmer appearing in therapy shortly after her fans were asking about non-human alters. It seems as if Chloe either consciously or subconsciously invented an alter to meet the demand of her fans.

Kati Morton is the embodiment of self righteousness but I think Chloe's real problem with her is jealousy.

So as they describe it, Evan thought of Chloe as his Mother. Seth wanted to fuck Nina. They integrated and now Seth gets to fuck Nina but it means that Evan has to fuck his Mother. And I know Evan was sixteen but I have no idea how old Riven is supposed to be. Either way, this is unsettling. I also find it odd that Nin and Riven say their sexual relationship helps them to process trauma. They're alluding to incestual abuse. I feel so sorry for Chloe's parents.

Social Blade estimates her yearly income on youtube to be around $52k- $800k.
Thats just from adsense and doesn't include money earned through sponsorships or anything she earns through Patreon.

ETA: Heres Hamber's social blade for comparison.

On top of that, Chloe has stated herself that she has never had financial support from the government, she pays for private therapy, she takes trips abroad, her parents have been financially supportive in the pasts, and in her last video she bought a new tablet. She has 1000+ Patreons and the number keeps growing. She loves to pull out the financially struggling card.

 

[BScaller!]

It seems that Amira might be a Fruit's Basket fictive. So her second anime fictive if you count the little goblin man persecutor from... some different anime. I don't remember which video that was in. I think someone posted a link to it earlier in the thread.

Apparently, Amira made Riven feel very territorial. I don't know what Riven's relationship is to the anime tiger loli, but I know they've met and my imagination is filling in blanks I wish it wouldn't.

In that same video Chloe references "traumaversary" again. On one hand she says she can't remember. Then on the other hand she often alludes to child abuse. Yet still other times alludes to childhood sexual abuse, all of which she claims to have no memory of because "DID creates amnesiac barriers" so can't remember because this disorder was designed to protect her . Yet now "traumaversary" clearly is the anniversary of the time frame in which she was abused!? This chick, I can't! Also who would call it a traumaversary? Like a damn celebration

 

[DissociaDONT]

In that same video Chloe references "traumaversary" again. On one hand she says she can't remember. Then on the other hand she often alludes to child abuse. Yet still other times alludes to childhood sexual abuse, all of which she claims to have no memory of because "DID creates amnesiac barriers" so can't remember because this disorder was designed to protect her . Yet now "traumaversary" clearly is the anniversary of the time frame in which she was abused!? This chick, I can't! Also who would call it a traumaversary? Like a damn celebration

I think she's talking about later trauma. I assume the stuff surrounding the mental break m8 lake adventure.

 

[comrade666]

I think she's talking about later trauma. I assume the stuff surrounding the mental break m8 lake adventure.

Yeah, she does seem to remember trauma from her teen years like abusive relationships and her dip in the lake. Could it be that she started claiming she had DID based on those traumas, but later found out that DID is caused by early trauma meaning she had to go with the repressed memories theme instead? Purely speculative, but we know she started telling her friends she had DID in sixth form before she did her two months on a psychology course.

I've also googled the UEA lake and it is surrounded by trees. I wonder why Chloe insists on drawing and describing Omega as having a rope around her neck in that attempt? We know now she didn't actually try to hang herself.

I've also found an article about a woman's body being discovered in the same lake three years prior to Chloe's swim. Almost certainly unrelated but I wonder if she didn't hear about that and want to jump on the infamy. Perhaps @craig25pop can give us some insight on whether that was a well known fact?

 

[BScaller!]

Could it be that she started claiming she had DID based on those traumas, but later found out that DID is caused by early trauma meaning she had to go with the repressed memories theme instead?

I had the same thought. It probably contributes to why she can't get her story straight regarding past trauma. She has mentioned though that she has an alter who holds the trauma from her time at university and her relationship at that time. It is strange how she has new alters form to deal with/hold trauma from recent experiences in her life yet she seems to hold all the memories herself also. I dont see what the point of having an alter who holds trauma if she can just as easily access the memories herself. Maybe cuz shes full of sh!t

 

[heterotic]

• Kati Morton shouldn't be a mental health educator and advocate. She has no clue what she's talking about. (I don't care for Kati Morton either, but still... The irony.)

Kati Morton is exactly the kind of therapist most people get from services like BetterHelp. Yes, she's a LMFT, but she's also certified in DBT, and grief counseling, and has a master's in Clinical Psychology. Should she be weighing in on whether or not someone has antisocial personality disorder, absolutely not. But is she just a marriage counselor? No. She's perfectly qualified to talk about the things she's talking about, in general.

 

[craig25pop]

I've also found an article about a woman's body being discovered in the same lake three years prior to Chloe's swim. Almost certainly unrelated but I wonder if she didn't hear about that and want to jump on the infamy. Perhaps @craig25pop can give us some insight on whether that was a well known fact?

Yeah, it's a very well known fact to UEA students. There's quite a number of attempted and successful suicides there in the past years, there are also memorabilia around of the people who died in that lake.