Wuhan Coronavirus: Lockdowns, Quarantines, Cancellations

Pargon said:
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So easy.


It is doing something. Millions of people are adhering voluntarily for the safety of them and their families and for the benefit of friends and strangers alike.

I have no issue criticizing people saying this is overreaching because the orders are based on piles of empirical evidence showing how the virus spreads alongside the fact that outside of an emergency order people will ignore advice from medical professionals and in doing so needlessly endanger others. No checkpoints are being set up and no papers are being asked for and so the common comparisons being drawn are ridiculous and therefore deserving of mockery. The same people laughing at some users on here for being doomers (which they are) are some of the same ones turning around saying that we're a step and a half away from the Stasi checking in on households nightly to make sure all residents are accounted for.

I could care less whether myself or other people can go to the beach for a few months. Consider your fellow man and find something else to do with your time. Difficult circumstances try everyone. Get over it.
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She was cited FOR being out for no reason. Get fucked.
 
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Now listen everybody, we can all have our cake and eat it, too. Our governments can jizz in their pants at this unprecedented opportunity to seize and exercise draconian powers to completely supplicate and control their populations (i.e. us). We can also enjoy our Freedoms (however fleeting they are) to be insufferable, selfish cunts incapable of just staying home for a few weeks to help stop spreading this lethal plague, just to show the world how Free we are (and fuck you, because Freedom).

World leaders get to flex their muscles while we smear our germs all over each other in an orgy of public revelry and Freedom, and then everyone dies! It's win-win!

Freedom. With a capital motherfuckin' F.

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That sounds like a police state... Yay for West West China and South South China!
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The alternative would be to forcibly isolate and quarantine new arrivals and those most at risk. But that would've required planning and maybe someone would have accused it of being racist. Much easier to apply an ineffective police state to the population at-large and blame orange man when things go south.
 
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The alternative would be to forcibly isolate and quarantine new arrivals and those most at risk. But that would've required planning and maybe someone would have accused it of being racist. Much easier to apply an ineffective police state to the population at-large and blame orange man when things go south.
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Ah... It's Oz not US. We literally are already doing that. All new arrivals go to hotel quarantine 14 day, monitored by police guards, cant leave hotels. Straight from airport you're loaded onto buses and shipped to hotel via police guard. Tested at hotel. It's a good strategy. Also healthcare workers we test positive- hotel lockdown.

Electronic tracing is fine/good idea for community transmissions, however, SA/WA are going too authoritarian. They're also labor govs. Wa premier is a massive fan of the chinks too.
 
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Ah... It's Oz not US. We literally are already doing that. All new arrivals go to hotel quarantine 14 day, monitored by police guards, cant leave hotels. Straight from airport you're loaded onto buses and shipped to hotel via police guard. Tested at hotel. It's a good strategy. Also healthcare workers we test positive- hotel lockdown.

Electronic tracing is fine/good idea for community transmissions, however, SA/WA are going too authoritarian. They're also labor govs. Wa premier is a massive fan of the chinks too.
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How is Victoria's Belt and Road membership looking now I wonder?
 
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How is Victoria's Belt and Road membership looking now I wonder?
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They've honestly been kind of ok so far.

Check out Mark McGowan, WA premier tho https://archive.vn/hJwQe
During his term, McGowan has worked to expand Chinese investment in Western Australia and has criticised other politicians for calling attention to human rights in China.
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He also just cheered on Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest for paying $160m to China for supplies. Forrest praised the good and true government of China.

McGowan is a Chinese stooge. He's been going hardest on authoritarianism.

Daniel Andrews is being really calm and logical by comparison.
 
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My split shift will probably be continued over towards May. We've been told to use PTO as well.

I've been just going out for work and groceries, but I am looking into trying Instacart for delivery. I bought myself one of those motorcycle masks for when I go out.
 
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Are you advancing the idea that the Northeast and the West Coast are geographically creating authoritarian leftists?

See, I blame the Puritans. Their small hive-mind witch-hanging communities clustered in dark forests and engendered "for God's will" draconian invasive government. Those same dark forests kickstarted the US shipping industry in the 19th Century, which meant the seafarers were mostly descended from Puritans, and were the first Americans to colonize the West Coast. . .


Wait. It *IS* sort of geographic, isn't it?
 
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So for the pro-quarentine people, at what point do you think the suffering of the 10% who end up in hospital and the lives 1% or 2% who die are outweighed by the effect of the other 90% of the population. Do you feel it's reasonable for this to go on for two years? You're essentially asking people to pause their lives, but they are still aging and getting older while this is happening. If an average person lives to be around 80, you're asking people to stay inside and do nothing for two and a half percent of their life if we have a two-year quarantine. I'm not even talking about economics here. I'm thinking of everything from dating to taking your kids places to going to school to losing two summers of camping in national parks, etc. Just the time having to stay inside costs individuals time that they can never get back. So again let's say this goes on for two years in America which has around 330 million people... is it reasonable to ask 297 million people to give up two and a half percent of their life to save 3.3 million from dying and keep another 29.7 million out of hospital? What is the point where the amount of time, which is both finite and unknown in quantity because everyone dies and doesn't know when it will happen, given up by everyone else outweighs the potential deaths?
 
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Let's say the average person dying of COVID-19 had ten good years left. If absolutely everybody is infected and the CFR is 1.5%, that's 4.9 million Americans dead, so 49 million life-years.

For the people inconvenienced by the country shutting down, we have to discount the years they lose, because they are in fact still alive. Let's say they are enjoying life at 90% of the normal rate. That's 33 million Americans losing 10% of their lifestyle, so 33 million life-years.

These back-of-envelope calculations are based on highly questionable assumptions, but calculations like these can add some rigor to the discussion.
 
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Never Scored said:
Do you feel it's reasonable for this to go on for two years?
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Yes. Until there's a vaccine.
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You're essentially asking people to pause their lives
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I don't care. This is a global event which is trying everyone. Being asked to stay inside pales in comparison to both what is actually happening to people who are infected and what might happen if the infection spreads faster.
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I'm thinking of everything from dating to taking your kids places to going to school to losing two summers of camping in national parks, etc.
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None of those things matter if you're hospitalized or dead.
Never Scored said:
is it reasonable to ask 297 million people to give up two and a half percent of their life to save 3.3 million from dying and keep another 29.7 million out of hospital?
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Yes. What a stupid question.
 
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Pargon said:
Yes. Until there's a vaccine.

I don't care. This is a global event which is trying everyone. Being asked to stay inside pales in comparison to both what is actually happening to people who are infected and what might happen if the infection spreads faster.

None of those things matter if you're hospitalized or dead.

Yes. What a stupid question.
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Does your idea of quarantine include the current economic shutdown? Do you think that should go on as part of it?
 
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