Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Plunkie]

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https://archive.vn/B8rMM

As someone said, there's no need to lock down those states, they don't have the cases to warrant it. But hey, this isn't a political game right? This is only about the virus. Right?

The issue is, especially for more rural-oriented states, a "shelter-at-home" order is pointless regardless of the amount of cases.

Most of those people are already deemed essential for work and already follow basic guidelines such as only going to the store or doctor. Given the relatively far distance to work/groceries/family, etc, it also wouldn't make sense to legally force someone from a rural area to stay at home. "Shelter-at-home" for them is more of a feelgood proclamation.

 

[teriyakiburns]

that seems like it would contribute to herd immunity because if you can get the teeniest tiniest dose and get your body in the know and start producing antibodies. I don't see a problem with that, isn't being exposed to a microdroplet basically the same thing as a control dose?

That would depend on how densely the coofer is shedding the virus. If they're throwing the things out like rice at a wedding, even a tiny microdroplet could carry a huge load.

 

[Treasure Champs]

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This is such a dumb post.

That man doesn't represent all men and doctors, that woman doesn't represent all women or nurses. They're two unique people with their own thoughts and feelings on the matter. They're both working to save lives, that’s what’s important. Also, apparently the doctor was interviewed for an article and the nurse’s post was just a venting post on social media, so of course they’d say different things.

Also, the woman has a very valid point: signing up to be a nurse or doctor doesn’t mean signing up to be a sacrificial lamb. You can get sick, yes, but most of the time you should have some measure of protection against infectious patients. All our healthcare workers should be protected by PPE. Especially nurses, they have far more contact with patients and more risk of getting sick.

I have a personal stake in this because my 8-months-pregnant sister-in-law is a nurse (thankfully she works in the newborn ICU and not with infectious patients). My family worries about her a lot.

Yeah, I don't really get what this person's point is. Real men would shut up and work unprotected until they dropped dead of Corona-chan and that's.... good somehow? If the man demanded proper equipment to do his job the reaction would be "too right" and not "get back to dying for the cause, you lazy slut". Is that the gender difference I'm supposed to be seeing here?

 

[sizzer]

I love how western cops always try to pander to..... that demographic

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[Coleslaw]

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Guangzhou nigggers infecting people with the virus, 7 fell victim.
One is the same person who bit a nurse.
(all alleged)
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Guangdong niggger hotspot might see Coronachan China 2.0.
Of course, this is weibo and the shit it some kind of chat screenshot, so it could be fake.



Thanks for letting us know. Weibo at fake news hour again, 24 hours a day.

Imagine how you guys feel about us. That's how we feel about urban gentlemen.

 

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archived 6 Apr 2020 14:59:16 UTC

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[Francis E. Dec Esc.]

Some lighter news: somebody in Robin Hood's Bay, Yorkshire built a remote control Dalek that's roaming around yelling at people to 'I-SO-LATE!': (archive)

Coronavirus: Dalek patrols streets ordering humans to 'self-isolate'

One social media user quipped: "I'm not going to argue with a Dalek".

news.sky.com

 

[cuddle striker]

Why are they naming drugs after the Princes of Hell?

Because they're cute.

Are any of you med experts cynical about this "curve?" By that I mean, what is going to happen after THE curve has flattened and a small minority of a large population has succumbed?

Then what? Is there going to be a cycle of smaller curves, and shutdowns (like hot-cold) until this virus gets bored and mutates into something more benign, or can't find any suceptible people in a crowd of pre-exposed ones?

Because it seems like this curve flattening is merely putting off the inevitable. I totally get it though, it is about managing the epidemic by drawing it out. But they make it sound like it will stop in August.

Any other scenarios?

it's not going to go away.

if we "flatten the curve" it just means hospitals don't get overwhelmed; people who need a vent get one. people who broke their leg get it set, there's an actual doctor to spare to do all the normal things that would otherwise usually kill people.

the disease itself will remain in circulation unless and until there's a vaccine. the curve? trying to keep the deaths in the hundreds of thousands, at this point, instead of the millions.

Almost every nation fucked up totally by putting their economic interest before the public health; denial, censorship, and a lack of communication to the public and real control of travel/lack of proper quarantine measures has fucked us all.

and no, "banning China" didn't do any damn good- unlike the response to Ebola, we allowed US citizens right through that "travel ban", completely negating any good it would have done. Nothing was done correctly for months.

Anywhere. So we are just buying time to work out treatments and vaccines and keep the hospitals from being medieval horror shows.

having said that I think that my state is slowing a bit. we have not gotten swamped again and managed to get PPE in (at what cost, holy shit) so I think this place will calm down.

I truly feel bad for the red states/rural population, this summer is going to be a bitch to them.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

that seems like it would contribute to herd immunity because if you can get the teeniest tiniest dose and get your body in the know and start producing antibodies. I don't see a problem with that, isn't being exposed to a microdroplet basically the same thing as a control dose?

The droplets are small, but you can get a lot of viral particles in each one

https://archive.vn/wip/8wA1L

Researchers in Japan released some truly fascinating footage this week. Using special ‘high-sensitivity’ cameras and laser beams, they’re able to capture microdroplets that are 1/10,000 of a millimeter in size—droplets that are invisible to the naked eye, and may contribute to the spread of COVID-19.

The video was captured as a collaboration between Japan’s NHK broadcasting organization and the Japanese Association for Infectious Diseases.

While the scientific jury is still out on how effectively coronavirus can be transmitted in droplets this small—a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine in mid-March said aerosol transmission was “plausible”—the video and study referenced above is focused on showing just how many of these invisible droplets we emit and how long they remain suspended in the air.

As the footage shows, it’s not just coughing and sneezing that release mircodroplets, simply having a conversation does as well.

NHK page

https://archive.vn/XoI31

Live Science article

New coronavirus may spread as an airborne aerosol, like SARS | Live S…

archived 14 Mar 2020 13:43:56 UTC

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The coronavirus, which causes the respiratory infection COVID-19, can be detected up to 3 hours after aerosolization and can infect cells throughout that time period, the study authors found. However, the study, first posted March 10 on the preprint database medRxiv, is still preliminary, because it has not undergone extensive peer-review. The authors did receive comments from one prospective scientific journal, and posted an updated version of the study on March 13 reflecting the revisions.
Assuming these initial results hold up to scrutiny, aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2 appears "plausible," the authors wrote — but several key questions remain unanswered.
"We still don't know how high a concentration of viable SARS-CoV-2 is needed in practice to infect a human being, though this is something we are looking to model in the future," co-author Dylan Morris, a graduate student in the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at Princeton University, told Live Science in an email. Morris and his colleagues tested whether viral particles from aerosols could infect cells grown in the lab, not actual human beings. More important, even if aerosol transmission can occur, it's unlikely to be the primary force driving the current pandemic, Morris added.

The LiveScience article is irritating because they mention a study on how microdroplet transmission is plausible and then spend the rest of the article saying how it's not the driving force behind the current pandemic because the Official Narrative back then was 'You don't need a mask, you just need to wash your hands'. They also claim that the virus isn't aerosolized other than in health care settings but the NHK video seems to contradict that. Even talking at high volume can fill a room with microdroplets and those are a plausible vector for transmission. If you inhale one of those, you've just dumped tens of thousands of viral particles deep in your lungs, and it is a lung infection that causes pneumonia. Pneumonia can kill you. The other transmission path, a hard surface to your hands, your hands to your eyes and then through mucus membranes seems like it will be a lot less efficient at infecting lung cells a giving you a fatal coof.

I'd say wear a mask if you've got one when you're around other people. Don't buy one from those Reddit cunts with Etsys though. I'd rather die painfully of viral pneumonia than give people like that a penny.

 

[Velvet Glove Iron Fist]

Pack up and go home guys, it's time to let the Africans have a go.

OHCHR | Statement on COVID-19: Racial equity and racial equality must guide State action

www.ohchr.org

https://archive.is/1fnR9

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

UK Daily:

252,958 Tested (+13,069)

51,608 Positive (+3802)

5,373 Dead (+439)

Figures currently exclude Northern Ireland.

12,636 in London.

 

[Drain Todger]

The droplets are small, but you can get a lot of viral particles in each one

https://archive.vn/wip/8wA1L

NHK page

https://archive.vn/XoI31

Live Science article

New coronavirus may spread as an airborne aerosol, like SARS | Live S…

archived 14 Mar 2020 13:43:56 UTC

archive.vn

The LiveScience article is irritating because they mention a study on how microdroplet transmission is plausible and then spend the rest of the article saying how it's not the driving force behind the current pandemic because the Official Narrative back then was 'You don't need a mask, you just need to wash your hands'. They also claim that the virus isn't aerosolized other than in health care settings but the NHK video seems to contradict that. Even talking at high volume can fill a room with microdroplets and those are a plausible vector for transmission. If you inhale one of those, you've just dumped tens of thousands of viral particles deep in your lungs, and it is a lung infection that causes pneumonia. Pneumonia can kill you. The other transmission path, a hard surface to your hands, your hands to your eyes and then through mucus membranes seems like it will be a lot less efficient at infecting lung cells a giving you a fatal coof.

I'd say wear a mask if you've got one when you're around other people. Don't buy one from those Reddit cunts with Etsys though. I'd rather die painfully of viral pneumonia than give people like that a penny.

There are a bunch of papers that suggest aerosol transmission. I am sick to death of this "Oh it's only droplets" talk.

If it was just droplets, how could it have crossed the globe so fast? It's airborne. No doubt about it.

Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1 (2020-03-17) [https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973]

Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Suspected or Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in Healthcare Settings (2020-03-19) [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control-recommendations.html]

Rapid Expert Consultation on the Possibility of Bioaerosol Spread of SARS-CoV-2 for the COVID-19 Pandemic (2020-04-01) [https://www.nap.edu/read/25769/chapter/1]

Nasty.

 

[Not Really Here]

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This is such a dumb post.

That man doesn't represent all men and doctors, that woman doesn't represent all women or nurses.

Yes, your post was dumb.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

There are a bunch of papers that suggest aerosol transmission. I am sick to death of this "Oh it's only droplets" talk.

Aerosols are droplets. Note - I don't rule out transmission by viral particles produced by droplets drying out as well. In fact if the media are correct and the virus can be infectious after sitting on a surface that would also imply that it can survive in the air from dried out microdroplets, which is basically the worst-case scenario for containment.

If it was just droplets, how could it have crossed the globe so fast? It's airborne. No doubt about it.

Pretty sure the outbreaks have been linked to people traveling. Even one infected Chinaman can start an outbreak. They are like genestealers in that respect. Even one can start a process that dooms your country.

Also, come to think of it, having the media run interference for China reminds me of genestealer subversion too. I'm not saying we need some sort of inquisition to root them out or anything. Oh wait, we do need an inquisition to root them out.

 

[Drain Todger]

Aerosols are droplets. Note - I don't rule out transmission by viral particles produced by droplets drying out as well. In fact if the media are correct and the virus can be infectious after sitting on a surface that would also imply that it can survive in the air from dried out microdroplets, which is basically the worst-case scenario for containment.

My research indicates that the virus may migrate through N95 masks over time. A droplet bearing the virus may be caught, but then, it may dry out, and subsequent inhalations may pull the virus through the filter media. N95 masks allow through a little under 1% of particles 238nm in size. SARS-CoV-2 is half that size.

Comparison of nanoparticle filtration performance of NIOSH-approved and CE-marked particulate filtering facepiece respirators. - PubMed - NCBI

New Coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) and the Safety Margins of Plasma Protein Therapies - Plasma Protein Therapeutics Association (PPTA)

www.pptaglobal.org

 

[Kornheiser]

I asked this earlier but what has set a good portion of the user base into complete paranoia now? The whole sky is falling sentiment got old weeks ago. I get on with my life the best I can and others should try to do the same. We shouldn’t become like the cows here.

It’s just my opinion chill.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Here's what Nature thinks

Is the coronavirus airborne? Experts can’t agree

archived 6 Apr 2020 15:39:08 UTC

archive.vn

Experts don't agree. The WHO says it isn't, which at this point strongly suggests it is. And look at this

The WHO writes in its latest scientific brief that the evidence of viral RNA “is not indicative of viable virus that could be transmissible”. The brief also points to its own analysis of more than 75,000 COVID-19 cases in China that did not report finding airborne transmission. But Ben Cowling says that “there wasn't a lot of evidence put forward to support the assessment” and, an absence of evidence does not mean SARS-CoV-2 is not airborne. The WHO did not respond to Nature’s questions about the evidence in time for publication.

Scientists in the United States have shown in the laboratory that the virus can survive in an aerosol and remain infectious for at least 3 hours. Although the conditions in the study were “highly artificial”, there is probably “a non-zero risk of longer-range spread through the air”, says co-author Jamie Lloyd-Smith, an infectious-diseases researcher at the University of California, Los Angeles

and

The assumption should be that airborne transmission is possible unless experimental evidence rules it out, not the other way around, says Tang. That way people can take precautions to protect themselves, he says.
Increasing ventilation indoors and not recirculating air can go some way to ensuring that infectious aerosols are diluted and flushed out, says Morawska. Indoor meetings should be banned just in case, she says.
Meanwhile, Lan and others are calling for the public to wear masks to reduce transmission. Masks are ubiquitous in many countries in Asia. In the United States and some European countries, however, health officials have discouraged people from wearing them, in part because supplies are low and health-care workers need them. The Czech Republic and Slovakia, however, have made it mandatory for people to wear masks outside the home. Tang thinks those countries have taken the right approach. “They are following the southeast Asia approach. If everyone can mask, it is double, two-way protection,” he says.
But Cowling thinks masks should be recommended for the public only after supplies have been secured for health-care workers, people with symptoms, and vulnerable populations such as the elderly.

I'm going to wear my crappy reusable gas mask when I'm outside, mainly because that's the best I can get right now. If I could get one I'd get a mask that was able to filter out viral particles which are 70-90nm.

 

[Not Really Here]

I asked this earlier but what has set a good portion of the user base into complete paranoia? The whole sky is falling sentiment got old weeks ago. I get on with my life the best I can and others should try to do the same. We shouldn’t become like the cows here.

Go ahead, find the 4 accounts that are doing that and tell them directly they are cows.

 

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For those worrying about sinister goings-on with the IHME projection site, it’s now been updated

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore hospital bed use, need for intensive care beds, and ventilator use due to COVID-19 based on projected deaths

covid19.healthdata.org

Edit to add info about this update:

COVID-19 Estimation Updates

Read about the latest changes to our projections model.

www.healthdata.org

COVID-19 estimation updates | Institute for Health Metrics and Evalua…

archived 6 Apr 2020 14:59:16 UTC

archive.li

Okay... these numbers make no goddamn sense, at least in my circumstance.

I've been lucky for once to live in the absolute ass-end of nowhere and my state has -only- had a couple hundred cases confirmed so far and only a handful of deaths. The chart before hand was showing maybe we'd begin to lose two or three people a day in the couple of weeks, but now it's saying we should be expecting to lose close to twenty a day- basically if these numbers were the absolute truth, basically everyone who is still infected (not counting recoveries) would be dead by the end of the week.

I realize my numbers are next to nothing compared to places like NYC or Detroit (hence is why I don't post too often in this thread), but at the same time, it makes things easier to gauge and realize something isn't clicking.

 

[Cosmos]

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Yes, your post was dumb.

The post still acts like it’s a difference of gender (“the difference of male and female mindset”) , which it’s not. It’s still acting like men are more selfless than women when selflessness varies from person to person individually.