Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[eternal dog mongler]

I'm retraining and I hate this hospital EHR

I truly feel bad for the red states/rural population, this summer is going to be a bitch to them.

It's going to decimate them. I looked up where I used to live and there are already cases. The nearest ICU is two hours away.

 

[Slap47]

I asked this earlier but what has set a good portion of the user base into complete paranoia now? The whole sky is falling sentiment got old weeks ago. I get on with my life the best I can and others should try to do the same. We shouldn’t become like the cows here.

It’s just my opinion chill.

Trusting the government and media is abit foolish considering current events.

 

[Kornheiser]

Trusting the government and media is abit foolish considering current events.

I meant more of the doomposting that flares up every few days. We all know it’s bad but don’t let them get to you. That makes them more powerful the more people freak out.

 

[Not Really Here]

The post still acts like it’s a difference of gender (“the difference of male and female mindset”) , which it’s not. It’s still acting like men are more selfless than women when selflessness varies from person to person individually.

The post was a rorschach test and you got played.

Edit: It is however mildly interesting that you are unable to recognize women complain more than men, and are generally biased to safety over risk and danger.
The issue of 'selflessness' came out of your psychology.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I asked this earlier but what has set a good portion of the user base into complete paranoia now? The whole sky is falling sentiment got old weeks ago. I get on with my life the best I can and others should try to do the same. We shouldn’t become like the cows here.

Is it less stressful to try to ignore a crisis or to try to understand what the risks are and try to mitigate against them for yourself and your family as best you can? Personally I'd prefer the second.

And as bad as things are, the fact is most people here would survive just fine if they got it because they're mostly under 60. E.g.

Why we still don't know what the death rate is for covid-19

Despite data pouring in from many countries, estimates of how many of those infected with covid-19 die still vary widely

web.archive.org

Julien Riou at the University of Bern in Switzerland instead assumes all covid-19 cases among people over 80 are being detected. His team estimates that the infection fatality rate in Italy is 3.3 per cent, rising from 1 per cent among people aged between 50 and 59 to nearly 90 per cent in those aged 80 or above. For China and Spain, the overall rate is 3 per cent. If half of cases in those over 80 are being missed, it would halve these figures, says Riou.

At the other end of the spectrum, Jason Oke at the University of Oxford thinks not all of the deaths attributed to the coronavirus are caused by it. He points out that while there is an excess of deaths in Italy according to EuroMOMO, a public health monitoring organisation, it isn’t as large as that during the last bad flu season in 2016. His team thinks the infection fatality rate could be as low as 0.1 per cent.

For most people here, the chances of dying if infected are probably 1-3%. They might even be lower.

I still find it interesting though, because it's still a serious health care crisis - the mortality rates for people over 70 are non-trivial and the lockdown will cause economic chaos.

Look here

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

Maybe we've been spoiled by modern technology but 10K excess deaths are serious shit to us, even if the percentage mortality would have fallen below the noise floor for most societies over most of human history.

 

[simulated goat]

The post still acts like it’s a difference of gender (“the difference of male and female mindset”) , which it’s not. It’s still acting like men are more selfless than women when selflessness varies from person to person individually.

There's another difference there that makes it moot. The guy is like 85. One, he's likely past giving a fuck, two, came up in an earlier time, like chesterfield kings paying docs to endorse their filters kind of time,when protocol wasn't as strict and perhaps thinks kids these days overdo the caution. On the other hand, the woman is young, likely has a family and was trained to follow certain modern sanitary protocol. I think a young male doc with kids, recent training etc is going to complain as well if asked. It show attitudes by age more than attitudes by sex.

 

[Not Really Here]

I think a young male doc with kids, recent training etc is going to complain as well if asked.

Highly unlikely. Males are the risktakers in our species.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Byrnes2/publication/232541633_Gender_Differences_in_Risk_Taking_A_Meta-Analysis/links/00b49514c47ab0f093000000/Gender-Differences-in-Risk-Taking-A-Meta-Analysis.pdf

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Is it less stressful to try to ignore a crisis or to try to understand what the risks are and try to mitigate against them for yourself and your family as best you can? Personally I'd prefer the second.

And as bad as things are, the fact is most people here would survive just fine if they got it because they're mostly under 60. E.g.

Why we still don't know what the death rate is for covid-19

Despite data pouring in from many countries, estimates of how many of those infected with covid-19 die still vary widely

web.archive.org

For most people here, the chances of dying if infected are probably 1-3%. They might even be lower.

I still find it interesting though, because it's still a serious health care crisis - the mortality rates for people over 70 are non-trivial and the lockdown will cause economic chaos.

Look here

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/

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Maybe we've been spoiled by modern technology but 10K excess deaths are serious shit to us, even if the percentage mortality would have fallen below the noise floor for most societies over most of human history.

It's still nothing to shut the country down for.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Honestly, I think the true deadliness of this virus will still be discussed amongst experts years after the vaccine is widely available and the pandemic is over. The numbers are so all over the place and data incomplete, it's all guesstimates. In some countries an asymptomatic case can get hit by a car and if post-mortem finds out he carried the virus then that's the offical cause of death. In other countries if it can't be 100% proven it isn't. (these things also sometimes vary by region in the same country) Some areas like the most densely populated area in germany said officially they don't track the recovered. (that's also why the recovered rate in germany is so low, if you ever wondered) Then some other countries can't really test the population efficiently to the point that they just assume they have wuflu if they show up at the hospital with the sympthoms. It's a complete shitshow and I'd be careful about any statistics. Just because the graphs look fancy on your computer screen doesn't mean they give you the full picture or are accurate. From people dropping dead and countries' health systems getting swamped we know that it's serious. That's really all we know at this point.

 

[Shield Breaker]

I'm retraining and I hate this hospital EHR



It's going to decimate them. I looked up where I used to live and there are already cases. The nearest ICU is two hours away.

I've been hearing that it's going to decimate us poor flyover ghouls for months now, but the only ones I see getting screwed are the big cities.

 

[simulated goat]

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Highly unlikely. Males are the risktakers in our species.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Byrnes2/publication/232541633_Gender_Differences_in_Risk_Taking_A_Meta-Analysis/links/00b49514c47ab0f093000000/Gender-Differences-in-Risk-Taking-A-Meta-Analysis.pdf

Our medical staff should not be in this kind of risk in the first place, whether they embrace the thrill of going bareback with chinese aids or not.

 

[Not Really Here]

Honestly, I think the true deadliness of this virus will still be discussed amongst experts years after the vaccine is widely available and the pandemic is over. The numbers are so all over the place and data incomplete, it's all guesstimates. In some countries an asymptomatic case can get hit by a car and if post-mortem finds out he carried the virus then that's the offical cause of death. In other countries if it can't be 100% proven it isn't. (these things also sometimes vary by region in the same country) Some areas like the most densely populated area in germany said officially they don't track the recovered. (that's also why the recovered rate in germany is so low, if you ever wondered) Then some other countries can't really test the population efficiently to the point that they just assume they have wuflu if they show up at the hospital with the sympthoms. It's a complete shitshow and I'd be careful about any statistics. Just because the graphs look fancy on your computer screen doesn't mean they give you the full picture or are accurate. From people dropping dead and countries' health systems getting swamped we know that it's serious. That's really all we know at this point.

As I've said repeatedly over the last 1200 pages: We won't know the mortality of WuFlu for 18 to 24 months at the earliest.

And week by week numbers are guesstimates at best.

 

[Jimothy]

The post still acts like it’s a difference of gender (“the difference of male and female mindset”) , which it’s not. It’s still acting like men are more selfless than women when selflessness varies from person to person individually.

Browsing Reddit at all was the mistake.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I've been hearing that it's going to decimate us poor flyover ghouls for months now, but the only ones I see getting screwed are the big cities.

That's because the cities are full of sin, but the 'flyover' states are filled with God-fearing, patriotic, clean-living types. I would say 'keep going to church' but maybe 'keep joining the church services by video conference from your Lysol scented house' is more pragmatic at the moment.

 

[Not Really Here]

Our medical staff should not be in this kind of risk in the first place, whether they embrace the thrill of going bareback or not.

Biohazard and epidemics are inherent risks in medicine.


The world isn't and never was safe.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

I've been hearing that it's going to decimate us poor flyover ghouls for months now, but the only ones I see getting screwed are the big cities.

And are big cities even really getting screwed outside of NYC? I watched this and it seems...well, not that bad:

Is it possible that NYC, like Italy and Spain, simply has more unique circumstances and characteristics to make such a virus a maelstrom of shit? Aside from churchgoers or gross spring breakers/Mardi Gras revelers, I don't think most people, not even in other major cities, are as up close and personal in everyday life like NYers are.

 

[simulated goat]

Biohazard and epidemics are inherent risks in medicine.


The world isn't and never was safe.

True, but squeaky wheels get oiled and if women complaining possibly gets ppe for a department, who cares? This isn't a fucking contest except on reddit.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

True, but squeaky wheels get oiled and if women complaining possibly gets ppe for a department, who cares? This isn't a fucking contest except on reddit.

Tbf, even with proper ppe, some ppl still have a tendency to bitch and nope out.

 

[mindlessobserver]

And are big cities even really getting screwed outside of NYC? I watched this and it seems...well, not that bad:

Is it possible that NYC, like Italy and Spain, simply has more unique circumstances and characteristics to make such a virus a maelstrom of shit? Aside from churchgoers or gross spring breakers/Mardi Gras revelers, I don't think most people, not even in other major cities, are as up close and personal in everyday life like NYers are.

New yorks leadership also decided to virtue signal about how not racist they were by defying CDC recommendation until mid march because ORANGE MAN BAD. Something not even California and Washington State did.

 

[Drain Todger]

Look at these people. They look terrified.

Good god, if people think it's safe to go out with this thing out there, it isn't. It totally isn't. If you get sick, you're just putting more stress and a bigger caseload on our healthcare workers.