Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

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My favourite part of Lawtwitter is that so many of them are on twitter 16 hours a day now as they have been let go from their firms due to the corona-chan.

It's terrifying, as that's up from the 15 hours a day when they were objectively supposed to be actual practicing lawyers. (They weren't.)

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

I just checked the wikipedia pages of a lot of major players in this case, and I'm surprised at how old a lot of the Kick Vic VAs are. I mean, they are reaching their 50s, and what they are doing is gonna make them irrelevant in the future. Voice acting is one of the only jobs I know of where you can be as old as you want, because as long as you have a nice voice, you can work.

I mean look at Lani Minella. She's 69 years old, has been working since 1992, and she has a 13 page resume. I doubt any of the Kick Vic VAs will get that close when this is all said and done.

 

[Commander]

I must heartily disagree. A random person on twitter tweeting #istandwithvic and saying "Vic man good!" does nothing of any meaning. Vic doesn't even see it, because he's been avoiding twitter since KV started (unless he's started looking again, but he's probably not looking there if so). FSE vocally supported Vic unambiguously while Funimation and Rooster Teeth cut ties and the absolute height of defamation and TI was happening, much like Anime Matsuri did. More importantly, FSE gives Vic acting credits and work references and pays him money for his role. The closest any random #ISWV person is doing is donating to his legal fees, which is great and all, but doesn't help the hole in his resume, and he can't spend on anything else.

FSE's support may not be selfless, but it doesn't make it useless. They could easily have jumped on the bandwagon with Funimation and Rooster Teeth and thrown him out, but they didn't and they haven't, and they've aggressively vocally supported him even in the face of retribution like losing sponsors. And at the end of the day, regardless of how the court case ends (short of it being an overwhelming, crushing success for Vic), Vic having a company he can point to and say "Those people didn't fire me, ask them how my conduct was as their contractor/employee" when auditioning for a role in a neutral company is pretty important. The more of those he can point to, the better. Especially if the worst happens and he can't slap down a piece of paper that says "no, look, Funimation lied and conspired and I proved it"

First I'll just start with the realization that Trump is a very, very successful businessman and a POTUS. Those are not small feats people should turn heads on. Point is being an ass to people who deserve it doesn't ruin a company. People sometimes put too much bank in PR which both matters and really doesn't matter. Pretty much why these SJWs are able to thrive in the thrill of ruining everything. Personally, I think companies should act more like FSE and embrace the free advertisement, but that's just me. I would say that's a discussion for another time, but I suppose now is the time as any.

As for randos, they did have a part to play, but that part is over. This mess started because randos spread info and it was pushed out by randos fighting back and questioning it. It's now at a permanent stalemate to the point companies won't bother pay attention to either side which is the best case for Vic. People who want to support won't be stamped out and companies still get bank in their pockets due to a silly controversy at the cost of an increase of "haters" who don't buy anything.

Vic just needs to keep doing his best and keep going to cons, proving his brand is both valuable and worth investing in. COVID-19 put a huge hurdle on this which is sad, but we're all suffering through it. Some luckier than others. Hard for me to say if this will benefit or hurt Vic in the long run (I'm not an anime expert...or entertainment industry expert at all). Also Vic has to work his way back up the ladder again so that does mean taking on roles and with companies he may not be too fond of.

 

[AnOminous]

I mean look at Lani Minella. She's 69 years old, has been working since 1992, and she has a 13 page resume. I doubt any of the Kick Vic VAs will get that close when this is all said and done.

Peter Sallis continued doing Wallace until he was 89. Frank Welker is still doing Scooby at 74. Casey Kasem kept doing Shaggy until he was 75. Unless something specifically happens to your voice it's not an issue. Unless you're easily replaced interchangeable trash like Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi who can just be replaced with some other trashy slut without all the baggage (drama baggage not their huge asses).

 

[spirit of e m o s h]

I must heartily disagree. A random person on twitter tweeting #istandwithvic and saying "Vic man good!" does nothing of any meaning. Vic doesn't even see it, because he's been avoiding twitter since KV started (unless he's started looking again, but he's probably not looking there if so). FSE vocally supported Vic unambiguously while Funimation and Rooster Teeth cut ties and the absolute height of defamation and TI was happening, much like Anime Matsuri did. More importantly, FSE gives Vic acting credits and work references and pays him money for his role. The closest any random #ISWV person is doing is donating to his legal fees, which is great and all, but doesn't help the hole in his resume, and he can't spend on anything else.

FSE's support may not be selfless, but it doesn't make it useless. They could easily have jumped on the bandwagon with Funimation and Rooster Teeth and thrown him out, but they didn't and they haven't, and they've aggressively vocally supported him even in the face of retribution like losing sponsors. And at the end of the day, regardless of how the court case ends (short of it being an overwhelming, crushing success for Vic), Vic having a company he can point to and say "Those people didn't fire me, ask them how my conduct was as their contractor/employee" when auditioning for a role in a neutral company is pretty important. The more of those he can point to, the better. Especially if the worst happens and he can't slap down a piece of paper that says "no, look, Funimation lied and conspired and I proved it"

Great points here. That's exactly how I looked at it months ago. But now? Not so much.
I don't see much activity from them and their updates feel....not true or accurate... It's hard for me to explain really but I can't take them seriously & I'm just some random guy on the internet.

 

[giraffes on coffee]

vic mignogna on Twitter

“A dear friend of mine came up with this idea and I love it! #APause4Applause across continents cheering at the same time for medical and other essential personnel. They're true heroes, and I hope you'll join in! More info: https://t.co/a4e1obyZnL”

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[Garm]

Honestly, it depends on how the appeals go for Vic and whether or not Sony gets involved.

If Vic wins on the appeals or we get another round of discovery, Sabat could be in major trouble and at the risk of sounding autistic, I think he's pretty much the mastermind behind this entire KV smear campaign.

Chris Sabat pretty much is a predatory sex pest who's definitely guilty of sexual harassment at the least and at the most, is running a casting couch at Funimation, but he's got a lot of undue influence over the company.

Personally, I think Vic was thrown under the bus because someone got too close to the truth about Sabat and they needed a distraction. There's also the possibility of Monica and Marchi being actively complicit in Sabat's casting couch, and not just in a quid pro quo sort of way.

I wouldn't put it past a landwhale creep like Monica Rial to have done some shady things with some of the younger male voice actors trying to get work with the company.

Taking down Vic creates a diversion and also eliminates the competition for Sabat.

If Monica and Jamie are fired by Funimation under the current regime, then they'll probably take Sabat down with them. Especially if the appeals go well for Vic beforehand, since at that point they will have nothing to lose.

The only way Funimation will fire Monica and Jamie in a way that doesn't completely destroy the company and take Sabat down with them is if Sony steps in during the lawsuit and fires all of the old regime so they can settle with Vic and avoid any further negative publicity.

At that point, Funimation as we currently know it would cease to exist and the new Funimation would have a different management, assuming they don't just merge it with Aniplex in that kind of a situation.

I doubt Vic would get his job back if Sony stepped in, but I could see them offering him a cash settlement and a public apology/retraction if he agreed to drop the case and settle out of court.

If Vic wins on appeal or Sony settles out of court with a public apology, Vic might be able to get work with Viz and Sentai, but it's still unlikely.

With COVID-19 throwing everything out of whack across the entire country, who knows how this is going to play out by the end of it?

I think Funimation is being relocated to California. Unless Sabat, Rial and Marchi pull up stakes and move out there, their time is limited at Funi. Aniplex is being made Funimations tard wrangler and will be responsible for any stupid shit they pull.

I doubt Aniplex will give them that long of a leash.

Because landwhales who cry victim with the right ideologies have more worth than a girl who goes against the narrative. And this really does escalate.

Pretend Lawyer Martin Bettik on Twitter

“@EriMinAdventure @cover_dark Kind of sounds like you got swindled on STC, too!”

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Pretend Lawyer Martin Bettik on Twitter

“@EriMinAdventure @cover_dark Where did you stay while you were in LA?”

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Definitely aiming for the gotchas. This guy is really cow worthy levels of insanity.

Pretend Lawyer Martin Bettik on Twitter

“@EriMinAdventure @AdachiAmeFlujo Again, the impression you created in your viewers, and one they have used to attack Michelle, is that she cheated on her husband with Vic. That would make Vic a homewrecker. If that is not your understanding of the facts, then will you correct that now?”

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Fucking hell. ANN is still going and Bettik is going even crazier.

This is the most disappointing pandemic ever.

 

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I'm just some random guy on the internet.

That's what Fantasy Soft Entertainment appears to be. In March 2019, FSE created an $800,000 Indiegogo to make a single episode of Prince Adventures. They got $1,192 USD. A year later, and they're promising a 13-episode anime series, fully produced in Japan.

Prince Adventures - A Potarii Original Series | Indiegogo

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91 episodes planned!

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The clips they're showing are from a short they crowdfunded in 2013. $3,230 for about a minute and a half of animation.

"This is all Fantasy Soft could afford. Hopefully, investors or somebody will help us produce season 1."

Prince Adventures: Anointed | Indiegogo

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[spirit of e m o s h]

That's what Fantasy Soft Entertainment appears to be. In March 2019, FSE created an $800,000 Indiegogo to make a single episode of Prince Adventures. They got $1,192 USD. A year later, and they're promising a 13-episode anime series, fully produced in Japan.

Prince Adventures - A Potarii Original Series | Indiegogo

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91 episodes planned!
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Thanks for this Non. I had NO idea lmao
Wooooow

 

[Drowningman]

Hasn't Funi shut down their Texas office now or is it on life support?
I have to agree with @Garm The moving main operations to California does seem the future of funi in whatever way it exists as. All the main entertainment companies that buy up others pretty much move it all to Hollywood.

 

[TexOffender]

Hasn't Funi shut down their Texas office now or is it on life support?
I have to agree with @Garm The moving main operations to California does seem the future of funi in whatever way it exists as. All the main entertainment companies that buy up others pretty much move it all to Hollywood.

Yep, and if it does move to california i don't think Ron will have the real estate pull he has in north texas. It's a different animal if monica needed to move there.

 

[Drowningman]

Yep, and if it does move to california i don't think Ron will have the real estate pull he has in north texas. It's a different animal if monica needed to move there.

Oh in Cali, Ron would be wiped off the face of the earth in the real estate biz there. Those people are viscous
There are a whole lot more VA's there that will happy to get a job too than texas so funi moving all there will change the playing field.!

 

[giraffes on coffee]

My ovaries hurt for some reason.

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Oh in Cali, Ron would be wiped off the face of the earth in the real estate biz there. Those people are viscous
There are a whole lot more VA's there that will happy to get a job too than texas so funi moving all there will change the playing field.!

Lets also remember that the VAs in Cali are union, so what they did to Vic would NEVER fly, and the second they move out of TX, Sabat loses his blackmail over Funimation via his recording studio.

 

[Mr._Blonde]

Lets also remember that the VAs in Cali are union, so what they did to Vic would NEVER fly, and the second they move out of TX, Sabat loses his blackmail over Funimation via his recording studio.

In other words, Sabat and Funi pretty much lose either way. By court or merger. This pleases me so.

 

[Allanon]

Great points here. That's exactly how I looked at it months ago. But now? Not so much.
I don't see much activity from them and their updates feel....not true or accurate... It's hard for me to explain really but I can't take them seriously & I'm just some random guy on the internet.

Eh, I think we're looking at different sides of it. FSE isn't doing all that much on the social media support side of ISWV...but the social media support side just isn't that important. It really, really wants to be, but it's not. Business and law are the important sides of the issue, and while FSE isn't doing anything at the moment dealing with the law side of things, they're currently the only ones supporting the business side of things other than conventions. Small company or no, they're a dubbing studio paying actors to work for them, and apparently have secured some Japanese funding to make an independent anime there. Their support for him may be entirely self serving, but...there's nothing wrong with that, because it still helps him in the end.

 

[spirit of e m o s h]

Eh, I think we're looking at different sides of it. FSE isn't doing all that much on the social media support side of ISWV...but the social media support side just isn't that important. It really, really wants to be, but it's not. Business and law are the important sides of the issue, and while FSE isn't doing anything at the moment dealing with the law side of things, they're currently the only ones supporting the business side of things other than conventions. Small company or no, they're a dubbing studio paying actors to work for them, and apparently have secured some Japanese funding to make an independent anime there. Their support for him may be entirely self serving, but...there's nothing wrong with that, because it still helps him in the end.

I don't know anyone who has gotten paid to "work" for FSE.
I think you're giving them too much credit but that's just me and that's okay.
I'm not too crazy about them. A lot of "we're doing this" and not enough actual doing.

 

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I would question if Vic is even aware that Fantasy Soft Entertainment has been raising money by promising that Vic will be creating content if they reach certain goals. To me, it looks like Vic voiced a couple lines for them in 2014 and they're still attaching his name to their projects. The $800,000 Indiegogo that was created two weeks after the GoFundMe seems opportunistic.

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On May 6th, 2019, Fantasy Soft made this tweet, which was reported on by Bounding into Comics.

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The video Fantasy Soft tweeted, where Vic was supposedly teasing this new spin-off series, was lifted directly from lines he recorded for their 2014 trailer.

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I'm pressing X to doubt.

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Here's a press release from 2014 about the new anime series Prince Adventures that Fantasy Soft announced last week.

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It was in active development in 2016 and coming soon!

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Jinnie McManus said that she became aware of Kenneth Bright Jr., the CEO of Fantasy Soft Entertainment in the late 2000s when she had Chuck Huber as a client. Kenneth apparently tried to tag along with Chuck at a convention and thought that Chuck wouldn't mind sharing a room with him.

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This is a pinup of Vic's character.

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Fantasy Soft supposedly has 4 animated series, 3 films, and 2 video games in development.

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[Garm]

Lets also remember that the VAs in Cali are union, so what they did to Vic would NEVER fly, and the second they move out of TX, Sabat loses his blackmail over Funimation via his recording studio.

To expand on your point, Sabat's power base is based in Texas.

He has control over casting decisions so he has power over VA's.
He has control over the VA's so he can withhold them from conventions.
He can also pull Funimations backing from Conventions.
And Gen Fukunaga will back him up even if someone complains.

California? Fukunaga is going to have a boss. A boss who has probably been in the Anime business for a while. Know what kind of shit show Fukunaga runs.

Sabat wants to manipulate the conventions? Call Aniplex's guy. Hell, why would they talk to Sabat at all? You'll walk into an anime convention and see "Aniplex" plastered everywhere. Funimation will have a rack in Aniplex's booth.

Sabat wants to withhold roles and play favorites? Bam. Union complaint. Casting couch? Union complaint. He wants good contracts from Funimation for his own studio? Whoops, he doesn't run a union shop. Guess that's going to have to change.

Sabat has made a lot of enemies over the years. Hell, his allies will probably turn on him once the roles dry up.

And the knives will come out.

And I'll take those fucking optimistics now.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I mean look at Lani Minella. She's 69 years old, has been working since 1992, and she has a 13 page resume. I doubt any of the Kick Vic VAs will get that close when this is all said and done.

June Foray was well into her late-90s and was still doing a little voice-work here and there. She didn't have to, but she wanted to because she enjoyed doing voice-work. She's the queen of voice-acting for a reason.