Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Non-Expert!]

Photo leaked by a matron nurse of Boris Johnson in the ICU

He's apparently having a great time

That ain't no UK nurse. That is a Russian "consultant."

 

[Not Really Here]

Photo leaked by a matron nurse of Boris Johnson in the ICU

He's apparently having a great time

Every time someone posts that all I can think about is this scene from 'A Boy and His Dog'

A Boy and His Dog (1975) - IMDb

Directed by L.Q. Jones. With Don Johnson, Jason Robards, Susanne Benton, Tim McIntire. A young man and his telepathic dog wander a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

www.imdb.com

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Ever seen anyone with really, really bad favism? It’s rare in the states maybe? (If I’m being paranoid and raving in front of my trello board, there’s your italian connection...)
If they’re having the combination of an acute haemolytic crisis plus pneumonia, That’s a double whammy. Haemolytic crisis with less lung damage= the ones with normal lung sounds and low spO2. Both together are the ones in deep trouble.

Have you tried just shoving a few units into any of them, and following up with iron and folic acid? - could be justified if RBCs are really low.

Yeah I've only seen like two cases of favism in my career.

I'm uncomfortable ordering a transfusion because our blood stocks are already low and I don't think there is much forthcoming. Next case I see is getting methylene blue though. I think that may help.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Has anyone tried blood transfusions as an approach? I’m going back to that first JAMA case series and looking at the labs. The red cells are wiped out, just nuked. These patients are having an acute crisis, over an hour or two that’s ending up with them on vents and really high pressure is being used, often to no avail.
I wonder if at least part of the issue is the blood side of the equation. Is that rapid decline an acute haemolytic crisis?

Edited to add: bung a few units of O neg into our PM please. It can’t hurt.

>that AB+ feel

haha universal receiver bitches. You all exist only to feed me.

 

[verissimus]

so who takes over if Boris dies?

Honestly that would be crazy. Just how many PMs has the UK had that didn't serve a full term? Since Blair right? So that means ...Gordon, Cameron, May, and god forbid Boris and probably his successor.

 

[Otterly]

Next case I see is getting methylene blue though. I think that may help.

It can worsen crisis in patients with g6pd. (? Or do I misremember that? Something to do with insufficient NAPDH?) But would certainly be worth trying if they were lower risk and high metHb.

Thinking about this as partly a problem of redox states throws up some interesting avenues of exploration, treatment wise ...

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

There is some serious spook shit going on here. Those are guys in military BDUs escorting what is clearly a malnourished patient, not a COVID-19 victim. What the fuck

That is a RTO standing in the cold waiting for a call from some platform the converted oil tanker's comms suite cannot handle. You know how I know this isn't some spook shit in a single glance? That guy is standing outside freezing his ass off (his radio won't work inside the metal ship) humping a radio that costs more than his salary through EAS and he's wearing 3 color snivel gear from the 90's. He's fucking guard you autistic fuck. Also, that's not body armor underneath. It a fucking life jacket because he's on a ship.

My research indicates that the virus may migrate through N95 masks over time.

My research, consisting entirely of the first thing Null said about the wuflu, N95 didn't stop SARS either. Groundbreaking stuff there, sped.

Yes they’ve seen car wrecks when they rotated through the ER years back, but if you go through rotations and end up in a gastro or dermatology or genetics or research (ahem) line of work you’re totally removed from the drama, the death, and the gore.

I have a family friend who is a retired orthopedic surgeon. He grew up in the city and was assigned an ER rotation out in the sticks. The one that freaked him out the most was a 'brush hog' incident. Mostly because how completely mangled the guy was, but also because this was an area of the US with feral hogs. He refused to go in the state park for 2 weeks until he finally asked one of the local docs what a brush hog was.

Spoiler

It's a tractor mounted rotary mower. The guy fell off the back and the mower ran over him.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I didn't even know methylene blue had a therapeutic use so I was briefly horrified at that post. I only normally see it as a dye.

EDIT: Looks like it's mostly just used for a very specific and desperate circumstance since it's still pretty damn poisonous to humans?

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Polish numbers: 311 new cases, a mere 7,6% growth, but also a huge drop in daily tests. Whatever, it's still just hiccups after that change in daily reporting. I'm guessing between 350-400 confirmed cases and 6000-7000 tests for tomorrow. But that's not the main point of interest. Everyone was talking about May today.

You see, there's a presidential election coming up. The president is not exactly the most powerful politician in our system, but it's good prestige and if your government is already struggling, he can fuck you up for good with constant vetoes. So the government really wants a quick election because their guy is well liked and most likely to win. Most opposition parties really don't want the election because they will get their asses handed to them. Regardless of intentions, having people crowded around ballot boxes is suboptimal in these conditions, so the current idea is to have a mass mail-in vote, citing Bavaria as a recent example. This promises to be a guaranteed failure; the national post office can't handle the task and many people will refuse to participate because they think holding this election is a threat to democracy. Alternatives being floated so far include proclaiming a state of natural disaster which would postpone any elections potentially indefinitely, or amending the constitution to extend the presidential term. Go figure.

Shame about BoJo, I hope he can recover but I hear prognosis is poor once you're on intensive care.

Just buy the electronic voting system from the baltics and you're golden.

 

[Autistic lurker]

I always thought Boris Johnson had a great health. Scary shit.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Honestly that would be crazy. Just how many PMs has the UK had that didn't serve a full term? Since Blair right? So that means ...Gordon, Cameron, May, and god forbid Boris and probably his successor

PMs don't have terms. They're in office until they lose a confidence vote, call an election, resign as or are toppled as party leader by their own party.

The last PM to die in office was in 1865.

Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston - Wikipedia

web.archive.org

Palmerston enjoyed robust health in old age,[129] living at Romsey in his home Foxhills, built in about 1840. On 12 October 1865 he caught a chill, and instead of retiring immediately to bed he spent an hour and a half dawdling. He then had a violent fever but his condition stabilised for the next few days. However, on the night of 17 October his health worsened, and when his doctor asked him if he believed in regeneration of the world through Jesus Christ, Palmerston replied: "Oh, surely."[130] His last words were, "That's Article 98; now go on to the next." (He was thinking about diplomatic treaties.)[130] An apocryphal version of his last words is: "Die, my dear doctor? That is the last thing I shall do." He died at 10:45 am on Wednesday, 18 October 1865 two days before his eighty-first birthday. Although Palmerston wanted to be buried at Romsey Abbey, the Cabinet insisted that he should have a state funeral and be buried at Westminster Abbey, which he was, on 27 October 1865. He was the fourth person not of royalty to be granted a state funeral (after Sir Isaac Newton, Lord Nelson, and the Duke of Wellington).

It sounds like he worked literally up until the moment he died of a violent fever.

 

[AtomicAgeBoy]

Some Finland numbers:
2 176 confirmed cases, rose with 249 from yesterday.
Hospital: 228, Intensive care: 81
Dead: 27

Edit: Also for some fucking reason they are loosening Uusimaa boarder control, right under easter no less.

 

[Otterly]

DIT: Looks like it's mostly just used for a very specific and desperate circumstance since it's still pretty damn poisonous to humans?

These are those very circumstances. It reduces Methaemoglobin to haemoglobin. The kicker is that there’s a very common enzyme deficiency in humans which means people are missing a bit of this specific chain and if you use it in them you make it worse.

 

[Eryngium]

 

[Croco]

My research, consisting entirely of the first thing Null said about the wuflu, N95 didn't stop SARS either. Groundbreaking stuff there, sped.

Even if N95 did not 'stop' the virus, the initial viral load would be significantly reduced and thus lead to better outcomes.

 

[verissimus]

PMs don't have terms. They're in office until they lose a confidence vote, call an election, resign as or are toppled as party leader by their own party.

The last PM to die in office was in 1865.

Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston - Wikipedia

web.archive.org

It sounds like he worked literally up until the moment he died of a violent fever.

Oh right my bad. I forgot they can only stick around so long as their party/coalition allows it correct? Even so you're supposed to have an election every 4 or 5 years right? And no one since Blair has held office for more than the usual turnover correct?

 

[Revo]

New Zealand cases now over 1,000. Despite the lack of testing, cases continue to increase steadily, 82 cases being added yesterday. Aunty Jacinda is claiming that the fact that the Ministry of Health is too incompetent to test widely or identify the origin of cases (leaving their cause of infection 'unknown') means that community transmission isn't happening.

Likewise, they are touting the fact that Google's stalking software shows that people are leaving the house less as a success. But not, of course, actually looking at known carriers and those who have returned from overseas and making sure that they don't wander around infecting people- the sort of thing that would have prevented this lockdown from being necessary in the first place. Infected people with New Zealand citizenship (very easy to get) are still allowed to return from overseas and start infecting more people.

Meanwhile, horse face continues to crack down on any forms of recreation that decent working New Zealanders enjoy. Not only hunting, and surfing, but even fishing alone off the beach or a pier is banned.

Covid 19 coronavirus: Seven new lockdown rules as cases set to hit 1000

Director-General of Health says Covid-19 cases 'may well' be peaking.

www.nzherald.co.nz

I recommend anyone interested in the ongoing situation check out the timeline of Steven McIntyre, @ClimateAudit on Twitter. He's no public health expert but a smart guy with a very solid grounding in statistics (I believe he worked in resource geology) who exposed some very bad statistics on the part of some celebrity climate scientists. He's been reading a lot and looking at the stats and exposes a lot of dumb misconceptions of data that people are falling prey to. He's also talking about what it will take to actually start controlling spread.

This is the funniest one from the last week in my opinion. The incompetence of these people at the CDC and similar organizations and their political bosses (who are the real culprits) reeks of Jacinda's 'community transmission? what community transmission' nonsense that she's still pushing even now. It's like Australia and the US were pretending that community transmission could happen in China to Chinese people but not in Australia to 'Chinese-Australians' or 'Australian-Australians' for.. absolutely no reason at all.
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Stephen McIntyre on Twitter

“interesting. as of Jan 27, China was warning western health authorities of asymptomatic transmission. Australian "expert panels" were dubious. CDC in US appears to have been similarly dubious, as it denied spread in community in US until Feb 29. https://t.co/9tE4ZVFZC9”

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Basically, ignore CDC figures for non-Covid deaths.
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Still no real contact tracing or quarantine across Anglo countries. Sad!
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Fist of an angry god.

1.Touting the fact (https://archive.vn/sDsxY)
2.Archive of Nzherald article: https://archive.vn/8drb5
3.1. Archive of Stephen 's tweet: https://archive.vn/Efdte
3.2. Archive of Stephen 's tweet: https://archive.vn/Cinft
3.3. Archive of Stephen 's tweet: https://archive.vn/In52U

Stanford U is starting to test actual people for actual antibodies.

Stanford researchers test 3,200 people for COVID-19 antibodies | The Stanford Daily

Over 3,200 people in Santa Clara County were tested for COVID-19 antibodies on Friday and Saturday in an effort to determine the proportion of the population that either has or has recovered from…

www.stanforddaily.com

Archive of The Stanford Daily article: https://archive.vn/xTWZM

IIRC, the rumor that BoJo is on a ventilator came from Russian sources.

Russian sources ( https://archive.vn/GJYTv )

Crozier has the bat AIDS.

Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19

Navy Captain Removed From Carrier Tests Positive for Covid-19 (https://archive.vn/hl8Gw#selection-2013.2-2013.64 )

I do, in fact, know better. I am not supporting these claims. I am merely making note of them, since it has become a rather prominent 4chan trend in recent days.

Right now, there are people on Twitter who are going around, filming hospitals with empty parking lots and empty PCR testing stations, trying to claim that these hospitals are totally bereft of patients and the virus is a hoax. I’m serious. That’s what they’re actually trying to claim:

Coronavirus Doctors & Nurses React to Twitter's Ugly COVID-19 Truther Trend

Coronavirus truthers have started the #FilmYourHospital trend. Doctors say it's nothing but a politically-motivated misinformation campaign.

www.ccn.com

This misinformation could do immeasurable harm if it convinces people to stop self-isolating while there is still a danger of becoming infected.

Archive of ccn article: https://archive.vn/hukpW

Well my country is going to shit.
Our prime minister is in hospital

Boris Johnson admitted to hospital for Covid-19 tests after coronavirus symptoms ‘persist’

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital for tests, as the symptoms of his coronavirus infection persist. Johnson is one of nearly 48,000 Britons to have caught the deadly virus.

www.rt.com

A Health chief is resigning because they themselves can't adhere to lockdown rules, which is news for some reason.

Scottish health chief RESIGNS after police tells her off for breaking Covid-19 lockdown rules

Dr Catherine Calderwood is stepping down from the post of Scottish Chief Medical Officer following an embarrassing revelation that she repeatedly broke the same Covid-19 lockdown rules her office has been preaching.

www.rt.com

The Queen, whose adrenochrome supply seems to be fairly stocked, is comparing all of this to WWII to try and assure the masses.

‘Better days will return’: Queen Elizabeth compares Covid-19 fight to WWII, but reassures Brits, as coronavirus deaths near 5,000

Adapting her wartime message for the present, Queen Elizabeth II has assured the UK that by remaining “united and resolute” it will beat the coronavirus pandemic. Meanwhile, the virus claimed another 621 lives overnight.

www.rt.com

The government seems more fixated in bashing the "5g is causing coronavirus", officially making it impossible to criticize it for any reason without people instantly diverting to "You're just a conspiracy theorist bro!"

‘This country is finished’: Unfounded UK ‘5G coronavirus’ conspiracy theories mercilessly mocked

Baseless coronavirus theories that suggest the pandemic is linked to the UK government’s rollout of 5G phone networks have been the subject of much hilarity and ridicule by many incredulous Britons.

www.rt.com

And on top of all that... Despite all of the fucking dismissive hand waving, the "It's just a flu bro" fags, they're now saying "okay, maybe it did come from a bio lab afterall..."

UK ministers ‘no longer discounting’ theory that Covid-19 leaked from Wuhan lab – report

Senior members of the UK government have become less skeptical of the fringe theory that the coronavirus pandemic came from a lab in Wuhan, China, the original epicenter of the outbreak, high-ranked sources told the Daily Mail.

www.rt.com

2 days ago...

UK suffers deadliest Covid-19 day so far as 708 new deaths recorded

The death toll from the coronavirus in the UK jumped by 20 percent to 4,313 on Saturday as 708 new deaths were confirmed by health officials.

www.rt.com

Britian is a country with over 66 million people in, it's densely overpopulated, the government has been very sly and not giving genuine figures about this as they haven't been testing half as much people as they should. This is following the same trend as Italy and is spiking even bigger every day with more deaths.

We're all fucked, and it affects ME the worst personally, because I can't buy chicken as easily as I want.

1. Boris Johnson admitted to hospital for Covid-19 tests after coronavirus symptoms ‘persist’ (https://archive.vn/lXlZd#selection-751.10-751.106 )
2. Scottish health chief RESIGNS after police tell her off for breaking Covid-19 lockdown rules ( https://archive.vn/Wj1zR#selection-781.10-781.102)
3. ‘Better days will return’: Queen Elizabeth compares Covid-19 fight to WWII, but reassures Brits, as coronavirus deaths near 5,000 (https://archive.vn/XL7Zr#selection-781.10-781.145 )
4. ‘This country is finished’: Unfounded UK ‘5G coronavirus’ conspiracy theories mercilessly mocked (https://archive.vn/Gqhld#selection-751.10-751.112 )
5. UK ministers ‘no longer discounting’ theory that Covid-19 leaked from Wuhan lab – report (https://archive.vn/mcx7n#selection-781.10-781.104 )
6. UK suffers deadliest Covid-19 day so far as 708 new deaths recorded (https://archive.vn/XBSII#selection-781.10-781.83 )

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Sheila Jackson Lee is the Chair of the Congressional Coronavirus Task Force and this is how she wears her fucking mask.

Congressional Coronavirus Task Force ( https://archive.vn/JAjeC)

Name a more iconic duo

CollapsePosts📉 on Twitter

“"CHINA VIRUS GO BACK": Indian citizens stand together with flaming toilet plungers and chant to protest the coronavirus. https://t.co/L1AtSRQwRv”

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Spoiler

You Can't

Archive of Collapse Posts: https://archive.vn/9KP0X

Fresh from the TDS thread, this fine Representative (D-OH) wants to travel to the Hague and charge blumpft with crimes against humanity because the drug we have 60+ years experience with and looks to be effective against corona hasn't been tested enough (nothing happened in France, citizen!) How long until Ohio joins Nevada and Michigan in letting people die to own the bad orange man?

Archive of Tavia Galonski tweet: https://archive.vn/7e1W7

BCG is just a mycobacteria vaccine. Mycobacteria are often present in the lungs in a dormant state and CoV infection alters the cell membrane in such a way that allows for easier attachment by invasive bacteria, especially Mycobacterium avium-intracellulare, which is basically everywhere. Ever taken a shower? Well, you're soaking in it. Its just not likely to fuck you up unless you have late stage AIDS, or...

Look familiar?

Mycobacterium avium-intracellulare (https://archive.vn/HnwAs)

Coronavirus: China's Great Cover-up

Bats were not, it seems, sold at Wuhan's seafood market. The Lancet noted in a January study that the first Covid-19 case in Wuhan had no connection to the market. One more person has just disappeared. Ai Fen, a Chinese physician, who... claimed her

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia

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The Gatestone Institute (probably neo-con more than anything, but based enough to be 'far right' to that model of impartiality Wikipedia) has a reasonably article about we don't know too much about its origins (bats weren't sold in that Wuhan market etc.) but it is clear PRC has been utterly negligent towards what we might still call the international community.

Sweden's PM warns citizens to prepare for thousands of deaths

Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven has issued a warning to his citizens to prepare for innumerable deaths following the country's laid back attitude to dealing with the Covid-19 virus.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Probably posted, but the Swede-cucks find their do-nothing approach (rather than the Singapore model of restrict those at risk, leave others mostly alone or the usual universal lockdown) isn't really a bright idea.

Swedish King urges caution with no lockdown in sight

Sweden's King Carl XVI Gustaf has urged Swedes to refrain from Easter travels to loved ones in a bid to curb the spread of Covid-19, as the death toll rises in one of Europe's few countries not in lockdown.

www.rte.ie

King of Sweden repeating the PM's line of new found caution.

HSE to double test capacity to 4,500 tests daily

The Health Service Executive has said the capacity to test for the coronavirus will be doubled from this week, to around 4,500 tests a day.

www.rte.ie

Ireland to ramp up testing to 4.5k a day. Given Ireland's small pop, it would seem ideal for a Singapore model, but the public attitude and bodies like the grossly incompetent HSE makes that not a pipe dream.

China's Fake News: Its 'Superior System' Defeats Coronavirus

The virus is hitting China in a second wave. The second wave is claiming victims, including the Party's propaganda narratives. The most dangerous of these narratives is that ruler Xi Jinping, with heaven's mandate, has an obligation to dominate the

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

Gatestone have a decent summary of PRC's rubbish response that the WHO so criminally extol.

They mention the Chinky PPE equipment donations, including some to Ireland, of which a big proportion are useless, stupid thing like gowns made of issue or not covering risky areas of skin on a medic. They even said something like 20% of it was useless on Irish radio.

1. Coronavirus: China's Great Cover-up (https://archive.vn/Svyka#selection-415.0-415.35)
2. Gatestone Institute (https://archive.vn/A0fUO#selection-27.0-27.19)
3. Sweden's Prime Minister Stefan Lofven warns citizens to prepare for thousands of deaths after global amazement at officials' refusal to order a lockdown amid coronavirus pandemic
(https://archive.vn/rROCb )
4. Swedish King cautions against travel with no lockdown in sight (https://archive.vn/fc28n#selection-525.1-525.64)
5. HSE to double Covid-19 test capacity (https://archive.vn/KkEcs#selection-539.1-539.38 .)
6. China's Fake News: Its 'Superior System' Defeats Coronavirus (https://archive.vn/ZeDqw#selection-415.0-415.60)

Edit: sorry, cross posted. It is unlikely he’s not on a ventilator if he has been moved to an ICU bed.

Boris admitted to intensive care

Prime Minister Boris Johnson moved to intensive care after being admitted to hospital with coronavirus

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has admitted to intensive care with coronavirus symptoms. “Since Sunday evening, the Prime Minister has been under the care of doctors at St Thomas’ Hospital, in London, after being admitted with persistent symptoms of coronavirus. A spokesperson for No.10 said...

www.itv.com

Archive of ITV news article: https://archive.vn/lBytO
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[Gustav Schuchardt]

Oh right my bad. I forgot they can only stick around so long as their party/coalition allows it correct? Even so you're supposed to have an election every 4 or 5 years right?

At least every 5 years according to the Parliament Act 1911. The Fixed Term Parliament Act 2011 means it's hard for a PM to call an early election - you need a 2/3 supermajority in Parliament. The PM can still lose a confidence vote though, that will still trigger an election.

However, look at what happened in WWI and WWII. In each case, Parliament voted to postpone the election until the end of the war. Because Parliament is sovereign but it can't make rules binding a future Parliament lots of things are possible that would not be in a country with a constitution that overrides Parliament.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

tfw. can't post my own country numbers and retardation, since it would be powerleveling. like and upboat, if you are facing the same dilemma. Picture related - this is me IRL,100% certified not lies.

 

[NOMYBITCASH]

NO BORIS!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO