Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

As I have said on here before, as a father of three young daughters I see it first hand, yes they like"princess" movies but that is because they are supposed to be princess movies not war movies. When it comes to films like Star Wars they are drawn in by strong male characters who they imagine will protect them or they associate with me as their father. They naturally understand established gender roles and seeing a small girl doing things a man would do, does not make sense to them. They do not like any of the characters in the ST (especially open moth plank girl) they have said that the characters "act fake" they clearly understand this. In the OT they like Luke and Vader, they love the character of the Mandalorian (and the child of course), they do like Cara Dune, but that is because she appears mostly believable in her physical role and is secondary to Mandalorian 9and is attractive, not ugly with a shaved head) and of all horrors to modern day feminist, they see her as the "girlfriend" of the Mandalorian, hahahaha. Another thing these creatures refuse to believe is that women and girls hate ugly bitchy women, they despise all of these "dyke" female characters. My point in all this is based on the observations of my children, yes they like "girly" stories and characters, but in the correct setting, they dont want to see girls firing machine guns and driving tanks and fist fighting.
 
Here is the way I look at it.

Traditional "female centred" pop culture aimed at girls and womanchildren is complete and total shit.

It always has been. It always will be. Everything from disney princesses to harlequin romance novels to chick-flicks to pink sparkly toys has been shit so cringe and pathetic that it makes the basest fucking pulp comic/exploitation film look like high culture. Its always been a vicious circle of hack marketing speds changing generic products to "GURLY GURLY PINK SPARKLE PRINCESS GURLY" or whatever to have them stand out, spin it as a massive marketing success when dumb boomers are tricked into paying more for them, and then enforce this mindset on every product imaginable, which has happened one way or another in every cultural field imaginable, even beyond pop culture as shit like the fashion industry demonstrates.

This has been something OG feminist groups from the freakin 60s were pointing out and advocating be dumped and forgotten, usually in favour of just adopting the same shit traditionally aimed at boys/manchildren without alteration, since that shit atleast had the lions share of worthy concepts and aesthetics and themes.

Had the woke speds within the creative industries actually had a shred of sincerity about their "EMPOWER WAMMEN!" schtick, they would have accepted this and worked to either completely excise every vestige of the "GURLY STUFF NEEDS TO BE GURLY!" mindset of dumb producers and dumber boomers from the properties they worked on or had influence over and remake it with the same mindset of ordinary/"male centred" works.

Instead, since none of them give a damn about the cause as I so often like to sperg, they demanded traditional "boy oriented" pop culture be forcibly changed to resemble the shitty ass princess/harlequin romance/chick flick/pink sparkly toy schtick that had been such a complete embarrassment to humanity, since doing so would net them not only applause from other woke morons, but the possibility of lucrative job roles as "inclusivity consultants" and the like, not to mention the prestige their "transformation of the franchise" would confer upon them.

To cut a long story short, there was far more money/asspats/status in cannibalising popular "boys" franchises than in reworking far less popular and respected "girls" stuff or trying to advocate for girls and womanchildren to drop dumb girly shit in favor of less dumb boy shit, even if these things would do infinitely more for the cause they claimed to believe in

What's funny is that on the flip side of this, if you drop the focus on the namby-pamby bullshit, you end up with a show that ostensibly should be only for girls, but instead because it focuses on simply having strong writing instead of the usual girly crap, it attracts a wider audience and somehow this just breaks corporate minds as this should not happen and Fox News decides devil worship or something must be involved.

Yes, I'm talking about fucking MLP: Friendhip is Magic.

IIRC Lauren Faust, who is the good kind of feminist as far as I'm aware (namely, empowering female role models for girls that don't go into shit mary sue territory like the ST did), said she mainly tried to aim the show simply so it wasn't brain dead garbage for the sake of parents forced to watch it with their kids. Instead, you had the complete opposite polar demographic get attracted to this shit - young men - which gave rise to Bronies and that's already its own separate thread. Regardless, that wouldn't have happened had the show not been written as a good show first, shilling corporate girl shit second.

However, what is often overlooked due to the brony phenomenon is that the show did gangbusters with its target demographic. There is a good reason why when Hasbro's HUB channel got turned back to a Discovery channel, the one show that was retained was MLP, everything else was kicked off including Transformers.

Now, going back to Star Wars...who are these films even aimed at? Rey being so goddamn perfect short of her parentage never really being defined makes her unrelateable to anybody short of, I dunno, orphans, and Kylo Ren seemed to exist just to get cucked constantly because he was supposed to be the new Darth Vader except not really because reasons, to the point Palpatine literally resurrects out of nowhere just to prevent Kylo from being the main villain in the final film.

Ultimately, the ST was written by extreme feminists for extreme feminists. Anybody remember Gamergate or Comicsgate? It's the same shit where these asshole feminist SJWs try to take over what they perceive to be popular media and inject their agenda in some kind of "They Live" style psuedo-thought control. But because their adherence to extreme feminism overrides the fact they're almost all talentless hacks ultimately undoes them all, time and time again, because they don't understand how to effectively integrate their agenda, namely because their agenda is fucking dumb and if they actually had talent, they probably wouldn't be in those circles to begin with.
 
Hard to argue with success, though.
I posit that had the whole "girly stuff for girls" section of pop culture never been created, girls/their parents would have just bought the same shit the boys were buying, and humanity would have been spared a whole lot of embarrassment.

What's funny is that on the flip side of this, if you drop the focus on the namby-pamby bullshit, you end up with a show that ostensibly should be only for girls, but instead because it focuses on simply having strong writing instead of the usual girly crap, it attracts a wider audience and somehow this just breaks corporate minds as this should not happen and Fox News decides devil worship or something must be involved.

Yes, I'm talking about fucking MLP: Friendhip is Magic.

IIRC Lauren Faust, who is the good kind of feminist as far as I'm aware (namely, empowering female role models for girls that don't go into shit mary sue territory like the ST did), said she mainly tried to aim the show simply so it wasn't brain dead garbage for the sake of parents forced to watch it with their kids. Instead, you had the complete opposite polar demographic get attracted to this shit - young men - which gave rise to Bronies and that's already its own separate thread. Regardless, that wouldn't have happened had the show not been written as a good show first, shilling corporate girl shit second.

However, what is often overlooked due to the brony phenomenon is that the show did gangbusters with its target demographic. There is a good reason why when Hasbro's HUB channel got turned back to a Discovery channel, the one show that was retained was MLP, everything else was kicked off including Transformers.

Now, going back to Star Wars...who are these films even aimed at? Rey being so goddamn perfect short of her parentage never really being defined makes her unrelateable to anybody short of, I dunno, orphans, and Kylo Ren seemed to exist just to get cucked constantly because he was supposed to be the new Darth Vader except not really because reasons, to the point Palpatine literally resurrects out of nowhere just to prevent Kylo from being the main villain in the final film.

Ultimately, the ST was written by extreme feminists for extreme feminists. Anybody remember Gamergate or Comicsgate? It's the same shit where these asshole feminist SJWs try to take over what they perceive to be popular media and inject their agenda in some kind of "They Live" style psuedo-thought control. But because their adherence to extreme feminism overrides the fact they're almost all talentless hacks ultimately undoes them all, time and time again, because they don't understand how to effectively integrate their agenda, namely because their agenda is fucking dumb and if they actually had talent, they probably wouldn't be in those circles to begin with.
The problem is that the people who decide "what girls definitely are into and thus what we should base our products around" are invariably either completely out of touch buffoons, or are trying to push any number of dumbass narratives and agendas for their own personal grift. The very act of sectioning off a demographic and treating them like aliens with different interests than "normal" humans will always lend itself to ensuring such specimens rise to the top, and this goes doubly for the various "black stuff for black people" and "homogay stuff for homogay people" spinoffs of this concept that have been floating around.

Completely disregarding any pretence of "demographic considerations" and any notion of "we have to do X and Y and Z to appeal to this specific group, all of whom are inherently interested in X and Y and Z" is the first step towards creating a halfway decent product that can stand the test of time and not be forgotten within a week. It can be about absolutely fucking anything from elderly Croatian nuns hunting down demonic black metal werewolves in post-apocalyptic Hong Kong to effeminate high school boys creating a secret tea party club in turn of the century Missouri, so long as the story is crafted for its own sake rather than shat out of a marketing focus-group formula then it will have every chance of becoming a classic so long as it is executed well and with full sincerity and passion.

The moment a work is dictated by insincere marketing/morality commissars in order to pander to almost entirely non-existent trends among various demographics, it becomes immediately dated by whatever dumb shit gets a forced reference/whatever dumb trend gets grafted to the main narrative and within a year it winds up being forgotten harder and faster than the old Seltzer/Friedberg movies which operated on the same horseshit principles
 
I posit that had the whole "girly stuff for girls" section of pop culture never been created, girls/their parents would have just bought the same shit the boys were buying, and humanity would have been spared a whole lot of embarrassment.
I don't think that they would. Princess movies, Barbie dolls and Harlequin novels and the like are popular because the themes that they revolve around, like being popular, and/or the fairest in the land, and/or catching the eye of a strong/wealthy/heroic/powerful man all go back, ultimately, to women's basic reproductive programming to try and attract the best possible mate. It's just biology, not some dastardly conspiracy by the pink plastic and glitter manufacturers.
 
The reason why Kennedy wasn't removed was a combo of worrying about #metoo backlash and that fact she quietly purged Lucasfilm of most of its old gaurd during her first few years. She intentionally pushed the Force is female bullshit as a way to cover her ass.

According to some sources, Disney did legit consider firing her after Solo, but quickly realized that all the people she installed at Lucasfilm would make her successor have a hell of a time getting in Episode 9 in on time. The most extreme rumor is that all the other higher ups threatened to quit on the spot and walk off if she was fired. That would have meant Rise of Skywalker would have been fucked.

The good news is that Iger humiliated her after Solo bombing. He set up a conference call with Marvel and Pixar and then asked her why she screwed up. Also, the reports of her being banned from the Mandalorian sets and preproduction of season 2 are true.
 
Star Wars could be a big enough universe they can appeal to women too. They could even have girl-centric segments. But you've got to have that core segment to build everything else upon that has to be boy-centric at least, all-ages appealing at best.
This has been something OG feminist groups from the freakin 60s were pointing out and advocating be dumped and forgotten, usually in favour of just adopting the same shit traditionally aimed at boys/manchildren without alteration, since that shit atleast had the lions share of worthy concepts and aesthetics and themes.
I think this is where the OT excelled. Princess Leia needs to be rescued from the Death Star before she's to be executed. Once she's rescued, however, she's far from the tropic Damsel in Distress and knows how to hold her own and think fast on her feet. To a lesser extent, I believe Lucas tried to show the same traits in Padme (to foreshadow Leia's personality), but it didn't always shine through as much as it did with Leia.

Also, the OT showed how awesome female characters could be if they were simply treated like anyone else. Besides Leia, another example of a strong female character is Mon Mothma who presents herself as a very respected key leader of the Rebel Alliance.

Disney, on the other hand, takes bad female characters and tries to make them look good by portraying the males more idiotic and incompetent thanks to the current batch of writers that drink from the SJW kool-aid.

As I have said on here before, as a father of three young daughters I see it first hand, yes they like"princess" movies but that is because they are supposed to be princess movies not war movies. When it comes to films like Star Wars they are drawn in by strong male characters who they imagine will protect them or they associate with me as their father. They naturally understand established gender roles and seeing a small girl doing things a man would do, does not make sense to them. They do not like any of the characters in the ST (especially open moth plank girl) they have said that the characters "act fake" they clearly understand this.
This highlights another key issue with the ST and other films being released right now. The old advice of "Understand your audience" has been thrown out the window in favor of "Get woke (and go broke)." I imagine young girls wouldn't mind a female character doing things a man would do if they were part of a mixed group. Rey being able to do anything she wants on her own is rightfully confusing to them because she shouldn't be able to be so omnipotent when she lacks the experience of characters that spent a lifetime honing their skills and abilities. Young kids can be smarter than most adults realize, so it's not surprising if they can see through the facade of Disney's female SW characters and realize they're fake and lacking substance.

Elsewhere on the site, there's a thread for nostalgic commercials. One of the posted videos has a commercial that aired shortly after Episode IV came out and shows at least one girl playing with SW toys and figures along with the boys. So, it's a not a problem of SW being unpopular with girls. It's more a matter of how SW gets presented to girls that determines whether they'll take interest.
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In other news, those that don't blindly consume and enjoy all SW content aren't thrilled with the latest episodes of TCW that have aired so far.
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#1 Jeesh, half of the final season gone and it sucks as much as rise of Skywalker. My wife asked why Ahsoka doesn't use her lightsabers. (like: 8 )

#2 Clones Wars was great show. But since Disney its at the wheel, all has been from bad to Worst. They should named Ashoka Adventures instead with out sticking the The Clone Wars. (like/love/haha 15)

#3 I wouldn't mind this arc if just 3-4 eps of an entire 22 season eps.... BUT since we're just 5 episodes away from the end of the season the feelings of disappointment and frustration came back just as years ago when we heard TCW was cancelled (like/love 5)

#4 We didn't wait 7 years for a new season to be mediocre. (like/love/haha 31)

#5 Bit underwhelmed by this AT story arc. I mean to say, this is not what I waited for, as an elaboration of her story. After eight episodes, I hope they have something more remarkable in store for the conclusion. (like/haha 11)

#6 This story arc is infuriating, we've waited too long for this boring episodes full of terrible dialogue and trash characters (like 5)
(Edit to correct reference to wrong trilogy)
 
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In other news, those that don't blindly consume and enjoy all SW content aren't thrilled with the latest episodes of TCW that have aired so far.
I wouldn't have minded if we had a fuller season of episodes, but it feels like a waste of space.
Geestly's explains why Trace is a terribly stupid character.
 
I wouldn't have minded if we had a fuller season of episodes, but it feels like a waste of space.
Geestly's explains why Trace is a terribly stupid character.
Like the video said, her whole existence was forced in out of necessity because they no longer had the troublemaking element, so they had to substitute him with pure unfiltered idiocy with cowpie hair.

Anyway, in other news, Disney finally unveiled nu-Darth Bane's color scheme. As many know, the final episode of Filoni Wars retconned him to look like Vader, however Leland Chee confirmed that this was simply the ceremonial funeral armor or something, however Disney has adopted this as his permanent and true look that he had throughout his life. So now he is Darth Vader the White...
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His lightsaber barely even looks red. Shit looks fucking pink or violet. His sickly skin color and dark nails are still the same as his original design though. For comparison this is what his funeral armor looked like in the Filoni Wars episode where his color scheme is less clear:
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And here is a fan redesign with his original unique design:
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And here is his unused design from Filoni Wars:
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Which Filoni and George had removed despite the animators already having the scene almost done...


Also since images seem to be working despite the lack of a new server, should I go ahead and finish the final part of the Grand Lore Shitpost from where I left off before everyone's short term memory loss kicks in?
 
Anyway, in other news, Disney finally unveiled nu-Darth Bane's color scheme. As many know, the final episode of Filoni Wars retconned him to look like Vader, however Leland Chee confirmed that this was simply the ceremonial funeral armor or something, however Disney has adopted this as his permanent and true look that he had throughout his life. So now he is Darth Vader the White...
I dig the design, but i was a little salty that they redesigned him, it seemed pointless, and it could be used for a new character instead.
 
I knew something seemed ridiculously familiar.

Like cowabunga Sith dude!
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Wait... double-bladed lightsaber chucks? Wielded by hand? Christ almighty, that really takes the cake.
Fun, but I was reminded of.
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Wondering if anyone has seen this:


With how single-minded opinions for TLJ has been, this was kinda refreshing. I don't care about Star Wars, and it's an awful movie just because of the obvious woke agenda it pushes. But everything else he says, I can't help but agree with.

That SW fans only want the same damn thing over and over again, how the franchise itself is too iconic for its own good, and most of all, how the originals are put on a pedestal despite being just as nonsensical and cheesy.
I remember arguing these facts with fans on other forums before it even came out, so I thought this was a refreshing video. Nice to see something that's not the usual hate-boner over it. Thought I'd share.

Edit: Thanks for the rating; you've only proved my point and the video's.
 
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