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I don't know why people are still acknowledging this autistic brony tranny larper. I guess the lack of avatars is still making it hard to quickly identify who is who.

I don't know why you think my identity is in any way relevant to whether or not my findings are correct.

Look, I spent years and years being a spaz and trolling and shitposting everywhere. I acknowledge this.

However, none of my posts regarding COVID-19 have been shitposts. They are the opposite. They are effort posts. Because I put in actual effort.

I averaged 3 to 4 hours sleep a night. I read over dozens of papers. Not just the abstracts, but the whole goddamn papers.

I went out of my way to contact numerous biologists, virologists, immunologists, et al., and they were appreciative of my work.

I cross-referenced leaked footage and anecdotal reports from ICU doctors, and I examined the links between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 pathology.

I have literally been at this for like ten hours a day since the end of January. Obsessed does not even begin to describe it.

I have one mission, and that mission is unlocking SARS-CoV-2's secrets.
 
Dr. John Campbell muses on the ICNARC report. Higher risks for men - they are 73% of ICU aka ITU admissions. Seems like there is no or little risk to pregnant women from COVID19. Higher risk for old people - the median age is 61. It doesn't seem to be linked to ethnicity but there might be a link to vitamin D which dark skin inhibits the production of and is linked to immune system strength. Not clear from the data. Slight link to obesity but the cases look similar to the population as with ethnicity.

Of those admitted to ICU 62.9% required mechanical ventilation in 24 hours. A relatively low number of people with comorbidities, but this might be because the definition of comorbidities in ICU is very strict.

Outcomes are basically 50%:50% dead:alive. This is 'fairly discouraging'. Something of an understatement and the odds are it will get worse.

Basic life support, i.e. oxygen, is 32% of patients and 16% death rate. Advanced respiratory support, i.e. ventilators, is 67% of patients and 67% death rate. He expects the death rate on mechanical ventilation to rise, calls it disappointing and expects protocols to change to try to improve the situation.

So the age is 'younger than we'd hoped' with 50% of patients being 52 to 70, 25% under 52, 25% over 70. A great preponderance of males over females. No particular problems with pregnancy are jumping out from the page. Difficult to adjudicate about ethnicity but it seems all races are affected roughly equally from this data. A slight preponderance of obese people, but the patient sample is not that different from the general population. Mechanical ventilation outcomes are not very good.

Nothing in the data that could be used to advise people in how not to get a critical disease.

https://archive.vn/neoo5



I averaged 3 to 4 hours sleep a night. I read over dozens of papers. Not just the abstracts, but the whole goddamn papers.

Dude I post on here all day because I've got fuck all else to do at the moment. I sleep way more than 3-4 hours a day. The apocalypse will still be here when you wake up.
 
Those who wanted to boycott anything from the "chosen people" will have to do an exception for a vaccine from the chosen people to fight corona-chan. https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ronavirus_vaccine_if_israel_develops_one.html


April 7, 2020
Founder of BDS says ok to use coronavirus vaccine if Israel develops one
By Carol Brown
The Boycott, Divest, Sanction (BDS) movement is comprised of a gaggle of Jew haters from around the world. Some of its most prominent supporters occupy seats in Congress.
The founder of the BDS movement just announced that if Israel develops a vaccine to protect against the virus, it’s ok to get the vaccine.
This dangerous crowd are not only a bunch of bigots, they’re also a bunch of hypocrites who use products developed in Israel all the time, including a wide range of technologies that have become part of our everyday lives.
You can bet that if Israel develops a vaccine against the coronavirus the BDS cult will be pushing and shoving to get to the front of the line.
All in all, a truly despicable group of folks.

Talk about a big oopsie. :story:
 
Warning: autistic.

Last time the morale of a side of the political spectrum was obliterated and segregated was with zapatero. The result was Rajoi got to power with a supermajority. The result was a crisis that made the leman brothers collapse look good.

With Vox gone full tard and the left staying together we might be about to see a mirror of that, meaning the only competition for the left, will be the left. Good side is this time it won't just be one party, it needs to be a coalition with today's climate, so it won't be as horrid. But can the left actually stay sane when they get the power to just write the law by decree with no negotiation? I'm not sure.

I already explained that even my leftie ass yearns for a good right wing party. THIS is exactly why. Nothing good can come of this.

Burgerland artists have a way to get under my skin. I mean, our artists have a cockiness about them sometimes. But nothing even close to the sheer level of self-fellatio the muricans give themselves!

And I think this crisis might just be the best example. Spain got our singers and musicians to perform Resistire, as I linked some comments ago. This may seem the same as the burgerland famous people performing Imagine, it's really fucking not.

First of. Execution. Let me link the english version and the spanish version, and fucking tell me it's even close to the same:




But secondly: Imagine?! Fucking Imagine?! Let me link a translation for resistire over here:


You see how the lyrics apply to the situation?! The song has been used as an anthem of endurance in the past and was being used before the recording, it makes sense, it's a fitting song. Imagine? Imagine no possessions. Yeah imagine having no toilet paper because a hoarder emptied the store, and no PPE because we run out of it and production's still scaling! Oh wait, don't need to imagine that shit that's just the real world now! Imagine there's no heaven, because nothing better to cheer up believers in this time of need that a crisis of faith! Imagine there's no nations: I DON'T EVEN NEED TO MOCK THAT ONE YOU'RE ALREADY THINKING IT!

(For the record I like the song it sounds nice if you don't think too much about the hippy stuff. But it doesn't fit! Is there no better choice for this moment?!)

What the absolute fuck is wrong with these people?
 
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Warning: autistic.

Last time the morale of a side of the political spectrum was obliterated and segregated was with zapatero. The result was Rajoi got to power with a supermajority. The result was a crisis that made the leman brothers collapse look good.

With Vox gone full tard and the left staying together we might be about to see a mirror of that, meaning the only competition for the left, will be the left. Good side is this time it won't just be one party, it needs to be a coalition with today's climate, so it won't be as horrid. But can the left actually stay sane when they get the power to just write the law by decree with no negotiation? I'm not sure.

I already explained that even my leftie ass yearns for a good right wing party. THIS is exactly why. Nothing good can come of this.

Burgerland artists have a way to get under my skin. I mean, our artists have a cockiness about them sometimes. But nothing even close to the sheer level of self-fellatio the muricans give themselves!

And I think this crisis might just be the best example. Spain got our singers and musicians to perform Resistire, as I linked some comments ago. This may seem the same as the burgerland famous people performing Imagine, it's really fucking not.

First of. Execution. Let me link the english version and the spanish version, and fucking tell me it's even close to the same:


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But secondly: Imagine?! Fucking Imagine?! Let me link a translation for resistire over here:


You see how the lyrics apply to the situation?! The song has been used as an anthem of endurance in the past and was being used before the recording, it makes sense, it's a fitting song. Imagine? Imagine no possessions. Yeah imagine having no toilet paper because a hoarder emptied the store, and no PPE because we run out of it and production's still scaling! Oh wait, don't need to imagine that shit that's just the real world now! Imagine there's no heaven, because nothing better to cheer up believers in this time of need that a crisis of faith! Imagine there's no nations: I DON'T EVEN NEED TO MOCK THAT ONE YOU'RE ALREADY THINKING IT!

What the absolute fuck is wrong with these people?
Yes they're scum but all the peasant burgerlanders immediately told them they can go fuck themselves with that shit.
 
Or be a human being and sit outside when its sunny for a grand total of 15 minutes in bongland. Which I just did while on the phone.

At many geographical locations the sun is still not at the right angle at this time of the year to make you produce Vit D. Personally I take 4000 IU every day, and it's worthwhile to combine it with K2 as it facilitates absorption.

Here is the conversation I overheard shopping for my groceries:

first guy: "it's crazy how many cardiac arrests we are dealing with right now"
second guy: "really?"
first guy: "Yeah, we had like three months worth of cardiac arrests in 24 hours"
second guy: "and all from the corona?"
first guy: "all from the corona"

(I know it's a classic "I heard from my uncle second cousin", and it's even worse because I've heard it at grocery store, but I think it's still interesting to post)
(slight PL: I'm in the major hotspot rn)
 
Or be a human being and sit outside when its sunny for a grand total of 15 minutes in bongland. Which I just did while on the phone.

Hmm, I looked it up and it turns out you're right. 10-15 minutes of sunlight exposure is sufficient

https://web.archive.org/web/2018030...k/news/cancer/sun-and-vitamin-d-advice-given/

The report says that ultraviolet B (UVB) radiation is the best way to boost vitamin D, but that it is unclear how much sunlight is needed to raise blood levels to a particular level. According to the report, environmental and personal factors affect vitamin D production in the skin making it difficult to make a “one size fits all” recommendation for the whole population. For example, the area of skin exposed to the sun will influence the amount of vitamin D that is made.

The report says that during the winter months in the UK, there is not enough UVB for the body to make vitamin D. Therefore, the body relies on stores of vitamin D and vitamin D obtained through the diet.

The report quotes data from a study in which caucasian British people were given a dose of simulated sunlight equivalent to midday summer sun for 13 minutes, three times a week for six weeks during the winter months. The participants were dressed in typical summer clothes that revealed a third of their skin. This raised vitamin D blood levels to more than 50nmol/L in 90% of people, and to more than 70nmol/L in 26% of people.

This study appears to be the basis for the recommendation of 10-15 minutes midday summer sun quoted by the newspapers. It is important to point out that the report did not actually specify a recommended time that people should spend in the sun again highlighting that the time required may vary dependent on clothing, the amount of shade, how much time people typically spent outside and so on. They said “regularly going outside for a matter of minutes around the middle of the day without sunscreen should be enough”.

I still reckon there's a case to made for multivitamins and minerals though. They cost very little and it means your chances of having micronutrient deficiency, at least for the known micronutrients, are much lower.

The interesting thing about the report Dr. Campbell mentions is that it would explain why there's a flu season in the winter and it goes away in the summer. Especially as enhanced UV levels might also deactivate viral particles floating around in droplets in the air. E.g.

https://archive.vn/4yvrq

Influenza virus is readily transmitted by aerosols and its inactivation in the environment could play a role in limiting the spread of influenza epidemics. Ultraviolet radiation in sunlight is the primary virucidal agent in the environment but the time that influenza virus remains infectious outside its infected host remains to be established. In this study, we calculated the expected inactivation of influenza A virus by solar ultraviolet radiation in several cities of the world during different times of the year. The inactivation rates reported here indicate that influenza A virions should remain infectious after release from the host for several days during the winter "flu season" in many temperate-zone cities, with continued risk for reaerosolization and human infection. The correlation between low and high solar virucidal radiation and high and low disease prevalence, respectively, suggest that inactivation of viruses in the environment by solar UV radiation plays a role in the seasonal occurrence of influenza pandemics

Amusingly if you Google 'sunlight coronavirus' you get a bunch of articles by idiot journos debunking the claim that UV inactivation is a thing (e.g. https://archive.vn/aJ2xd). However if you Google 'sunlight influenza' you get papers like the above saying it is very possible. Actually that's not amusing, it's fucking horrifying - a bunch of journalists think they know the solution to the problem - stay indoors and wash your hands - and have decided it's in the public interest to debunk anything else even though they're incapable of reading even the abstract of a medical paper. Cunts.

Edit: Actually at the end of the BBC article they do mention this study this study which does confirm UV inactivation of influenza particles but they discount it on the grounds that it studied viral particles in the air rather than dried onto surfaces. This seems like burying the lede, not understanding exactly what the claim you're debunking is and/or not understanding the study. The study they link to claims

Measured decay rates were dependent on the level of simulated sunlight, but they were not significantly different between the 2 relative humidity levels tested. In darkness, the average decay constant was 0.02 ± 0.06 min−1, equivalent to a half-life of 31.6 minutes. However, at full intensity simulated sunlight, the mean decay constant was 0.29 ± 0.09 min−1, equivalent to a half-life of approximately 2.4 minutes.

I'd say reducing viral half-life from 30 minutes down to 2 would have a pretty significant effect on R(t) the reproductive rate of the virus and also explains why flu pandemics tend to stop in spring and summer. Also, the BBC doesn't seem to be willing to acknowledge the fact that viral particles floating around in the air, either in droplets or in the dried out remains of droplets, are much more likely to end up in your lungs than ones on surfaces. This is probably because it would conflict with their 'stay inside, wash your hands, masks don't work' advice.
 
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that's the combo trump invested in though, so I'm just making it clear that it's not an actual treatment for this.
There 's a doctor here using HCQ with doxycycline with elderly patients with good results. Interesting how these older drugs seem promising.

I got more videos later but first I want to address the media controversy around hydroxychloroquine which has now spilled over into this thread. I totally understand the whole argument about how politicians should not be mentioning specific drugs that are still in trial, but people are dying and politicians are trying to calm down the public by offering a glimmer of hope. I am now seeing news items such as this:


Which are then countered by anecdotal evidence from medical professionals like in this video:

"I've seen the patients I've given it [HCQ] to get better"

Then you have Youtubers like him who assume that everyone will be fine if we just pump them all full of hydroxychloroquine and
azithromycin:


Seeing mixed messages such as this is only gonna confuse the general public who are already in a state of fear, so let's look into this to see what's really going on.

This controversy concerns scientific research which is kinda anal, so I am putting it all behind a spoiler:

I believe it all started with this article on The Conversation by dr. Katherine Seley-Radtke (Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Maryland) a couple of days ago, which telling was not published in an academic journal but on the internet:

A small trial finds that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus
April 3, 2020 1.40pm BST Updated April 3, 2020 3.10pm BST
archive: http://archive.is/aao27

This article referred to a tiny French study with 11 patients that dismissed the effectiveness of the C&A combo (hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin) in severe and comorbid Covid-19 cases:

No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection

Quoting from the study:

There were 7 men and 4 women with a mean age of 58.7 years (range: 20-77),

8 had significant comorbidities associated with poor outcomes (obesity: 2; solid cancer: 3; hematological cancer: 2; HIV-infection: 1).

At the time of treatment initiation, 10/11 had fever and received nasal oxygen therapy. Within 5 days, one patient died, two were transferred to the ICU. In one patient, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin were discontinued after 4 days because of a prolongation of the QT interval
from 405 ms before treatment to 460 and 470 ms under the combination. Mean through blood concentration of hydroxychloroquine was 678 ng/mL (range: 381-891) at days 3-7 after treatment initiation.
Repeated nasopharyngeal swabs in 10 patients (not done in the patient who died) using a qualitative PCR assay ... were still positive for SARS-CoV2 RNA in 8/10 patients (80%, 95% confidence interval: 49-94) at days 5 to 6 after treatment initiation.

These virologic results stand in contrast with those reported by Gautret et al. and cast doubts about the strong antiviral efficacy of this combination. Furthermore, in their report Gautret etal also reported one death and three transfers to the ICU among the 26 patients who received hydroxychloroquine, also underlining the poor clinical outcome with this combination.

In addition, a recent study from China in individuals with COVID-19 found no difference in the rate of virologic clearance at 7 days with or without 5 days of hydroxychloroquine, and no difference in clinical outcomes (duration of hospitalization, temperature normalization,
radiological progression) (4). These results are consistent with the lack of virologic or clinical benefit of chloroquine in a number of viral infections where it was assessed for treatment or prophylaxis with sometimes a deleterious effect on viral replication (5-8).

In summary, despite a reported antiviral activity of chloroquine against COVID-19 in vitro, we found no evidence of a strong antiviral activity or clinical benefit of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of our hospitalized patients with severe COVID-19. Ongoing randomized clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine should provide a definitive answer regarding the alleged efficacy of this combination and will assess its safety.


This article from The Conversation was then picked up and highlighted by Snopes, who are once again revealing their own political bias by doing so:


The article by dr. Katherine Seley-Radtke on The Conversation prompted 67 responses, many of which poked holes in the author's argument and proceeded to reveal the author's own industry affiliation with a company that's currently working on a Covid-19 vaccine which she tellingly did not disclose in her article. The problem is that these 67 responses are at the very bottom of the page and you will only see them if you specifically choose to unroll them:


The latest news (April 2) from new-York concerning the testing of chloroquine was done with 1,500 mgs daily doses rather than the 600 mgs dosage in this article. Also, the drug has to be given early to obese people who are the majority of the critical patients


Yes, and there is also a doctor using lower does in combination with Zinc and claims excellent results. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/technology/doctor-zelenko-coronavirus-drugs.html


This author has contributed two articles to this website. Both articles are critical of treatment of COVID-19 with hydroxychloroquine. The first article’s disclosure statement begins as follows:

“Katherine Seley-Radtke has previously consulted for Gilead Pharmaceuticals…”

This article’s disclosure statement is missing this important disclosure.

Gilead Pharmaceuticals is currently developing a potential vaccine for COVID-19.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. But this sort of selective disclosure only feeds the conspiracy theorists who believe that a potential treatment is being disparaged for profit motive.


This article seems misleading, you are comparing apples to oranges to bananas. One study uses Hydroxychloroquine as a stand-alone treatment, another study uses Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in patients with severe illness, and another study uses Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in patients in early onset of the disease.


The “Secret”, my dear friends, is the concomitant use of ZINC! My view(layman’s) is that many/ most patients are relatively ZINC deficient. When the virus comes along, seroavailable Zinc is quickly used up in the fight together with any present Zinc Ionophores (Quercetin, Methylxanthine, Theobromine, theophylline etc) from one’s Diet. THAT causes the “loss of taste and smell” symptom that shows up in 30 percent of cases. Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine are Zinc Ionophores AND raise the pH of the Blood. Thus THE ADDED ZINC can stop the RNA replication by entering affected cells and effectively killing the Virons,and any excess keeps floating around looking for “the rest of the enemy”. IMHO


Largest Statistically Significant Study by 6,200 Multi-Country Physicians on COVID-19 Uncovers Treatment Patterns and Puts Pandemic in Context:

“Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters)75% in Spain, 53% Italy, 44% in China, 43% in Brazil, 29% in France, 23% in the U.S. and 13% in the U.K.”

Who wants to actually know about how hydroxychloroquine can be effective should search for Dr. Zelenko results. The combination of hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics is not very effective, but he added zinc and his results are amazing. Saying hydroxychloroquine just doesn’t work is IRRESPONSIBLE.


My personal opinion is that even if the C&A(& Zinc, which has been brought up in this thread before) combo only saves 2 out of 10 critically ill patients, it should not be dismissed. Saving a few is still better than none. If it supposedly only works on relatively healthy patients without underlying conditions, why the hell dismiss it just because it doesn't work on the comorbid ones? This is clearly a case of different horses for different courses. As I pointed out earlier with the link from Clinicaltrials.gov, there are multiple Covid-19 related trials announced testing all sorts of drugs and supplements, only one of which is hydroxychloroquine. We are seeing all sorts of news items come out about other succesful in vitro experiments with other drugs, which are of couse exploited to create name recognition and thus build a future market for these drugs. Medical professionals need to have a wide array of options available to them to help their patients recover. Even if hydroxychloroquine, or any other drug currently under trial for that matter, does turn out to be "the new Tamiflu"*, it's too early to make statements either way.

* For those of you that don't remember the Tamiflu controversy, this was a drug that governments around the world spent billions stockpiling in anticipation of a birdflu pandemic. Tamiflu was supposed to reduce the rate of fatal complications, pneumonia and death. Turns out, all the hype was due to bad trials. When academics found out, the manufacturer dragged their feet for years. It eventually led to a formal inquiry in the UK.
 
Hmm, I looked it up and it turns out you're right. 10-15 minutes of sunlight exposure is sufficient

https://web.archive.org/web/2018030...k/news/cancer/sun-and-vitamin-d-advice-given/

I still reckon there's a case to made for multivitamins and minerals though. They cost very little and it means your chances of having micronutrient deficiency, at least for the known micronutrients, are much lower.

The interesting thing about the report Dr. Campbell mentions is that it would explain why there's a flu season in the winter and it goes away in the summer. Especially as enhanced UV levels might also deactivate viral particles floating around in droplets in the air. E.g.

https://archive.vn/4yvrq

Amusingly if you Google 'sunlight coronavirus' you get a bunch of articles by idiot journos debunking the claim that UV inactivation is a thing (e.g. https://archive.vn/aJ2xd). However if you Google 'sunlight influenza' you get papers like the above saying it is very possible. Actually that's not amusing, it's fucking horrifying - a bunch of journalists think they know the solution to the problem - stay indoors and wash your hands - and have decided it's in the public interest to debunk anything else even though they're incapable of reading even the abstract of a medical paper. Cunts.

Edit: Actually at the end of the BBC article they do mention this study this study but they discount it on the grounds that it studied viral particles in the air rather than dried onto surfaces. This seems like burying the lede or not understanding exactly what the claim you're debunking is.

We don't get much sun here in WA, especially around this time of year. I've been doing Vitamin D supplements and other vitamins continuously to boost myself up.
 
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