Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Spoonge]

Since we all know Japan is going to nuke Bejin and Wuhan, conquer China, fragment it, and create the new Asian Coalition in alliance with South Korea and Taiwan. What changes do you think will be made to the Bible when it is rewriten as a manga?

A lot of sexual tension between Cain and Able to grab that Fujo audience. But in exchange we'll get an imouto love interest added for Jesus (though the subs will make sure she's listed as step sister for the western release).

 

[Absolute Brainlet]

Kazakh update: missed another day

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Полиция Нур-Султана установила личность мужчины, который называет себя "Капитаном Карантином", передает корреспондент Tengrinews.kz.

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Some asshole calling himself "Captain Quarantine" tried to get the people living in an apartment building to stay home. He got reprimanded for breaking the quarantine rules.
General update: 685 cases, 50 recoveries, 6 deaths.

 

[Not Really Here]

I got more videos later but first I want to address the media controversy around hydroxychloroquine which has now spilled over into this thread. I totally understand the whole argument about how politicians should not be mentioning specific drugs that are still in trial, but people are dying and politicians are trying to calm down the public by offering a glimmer of hope. I am now seeing news items such as this:

Which are then countered by anecdotal evidence from medical professionals like in this video:

"I've seen the patients I've given it [HCQ] to get better"

Then you have Youtubers like him who assume that everyone will be fine if we just pump them all full of hydroxychloroquine and
azithromycin:

Seeing mixed messages such as this is only gonna confuse the general public who are already in a state of fear, so let's look into this to see what's really going on.

This controversy concerns scientific research which is kinda anal, so I am putting it all behind a spoiler:

Spoiler: anal discussion of the hydroxychloroquine controversy

I believe it all started with this article on The Conversation by dr. Katherine Seley-Radtke (Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, University of Maryland) a couple of days ago, which telling was not published in an academic journal but on the internet:



This article referred to a tiny French study with 11 patients that dismissed the effectiveness of the C&A combo (hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin) in severe and comorbid Covid-19 cases:



Quoting from the study:


This article from The Conversation was then picked up and highlighted by Snopes, who are once again revealing their own political bias by doing so:

Small Trial Finds Hydroxychloroquine Is Not Effective for Treating Coronavirus

A trial of an anti-malaria drug in France found different results from a similar study published the previous month.

www.snopes.com

The article by dr. Katherine Seley-Radtke on The Conversation prompted 67 responses, many of which poked holes in the author's argument and proceeded to reveal the author's own industry affiliation with a company that's currently working on a Covid-19 vaccine which she tellingly did not disclose in her article. The problem is that these 67 responses are at the very bottom of the page and you will only see them if you specifically choose to unroll them:



My personal opinion is that even if the C&A(& Zinc, which has been brought up in this thread before) combo only saves 2 out of 10 critically ill patients, it should not be dismissed. Saving a few is still better than none. If it supposedly only works on relatively healthy patients without underlying conditions, why the hell dismiss it just because it doesn't work on the comorbid ones? This is clearly a case of different horses for different courses. As I pointed out earlier with the link from Clinicaltrials.gov, there are multiple Covid-19 related trials announced testing all sorts of drugs and supplements, only one of which is hydroxychloroquine. We are seeing all sorts of news items come out about other succesful in vitro experiments with other drugs, which are of couse exploited to create name recognition and thus build a future market for these drugs. Medical professionals need to have a wide array of options available to them to help their patients recover. Even if hydroxychloroquine, or any other drug currently under trial for that matter, does turn out to be "the new Tamiflu"*, it's too early to make statements either way.

* For those of you that don't remember the Tamiflu controversy, this was a drug that governments around the world spent billions stockpiling in anticipation of a birdflu pandemic. Tamiflu was supposed to reduce the rate of fatal complications, pneumonia and death. Turns out, all the hype was due to bad trials. When academics found out, the manufacturer dragged their feet for years. It eventually led to a formal inquiry in the UK.

11 patients.......With significant co-morbidities.....
That is a pretty worthless study.

A lot of sexual tension between Cain and Able to grab that Fujo audience. But in exchange we'll get an imouto love interest added for Jesus (though the subs will make sure she's listed as step sister for the western release).

The mark of Cain after the murder is Cain turning Futa.

 

[John Merston]

A detailed explanation for why the WuFlu kills some young people.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

So I have been looking at the total death figures, to eliminate effect of all kind of shenanigans with misreporting Kung Flu deaths. UK total death stats for week 13 2020 are now available, currently we see about 9% greater death rate than average for that week last 5 years, which is not great, but not terrible either, could write it off as a statistical hiccup - we'll know more about effect of the virus once the week 14 data is available (published on 14th April)

source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

A detailed explanation for why the WuFlu kills some young people.

Archives, but see below as to why it is worthless

https://archive.vn/YTDX7
https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...ple-dying-coronavirus-sanjay-gupta/index.html

Typical CNN. They found one case, tried to draw conclusions from it and failed. Bummer what happened to the dude, but you can't tell anything about why some young people die from that article. I suspect that some people have an unusual, adverse reaction but that there are many possible reasons for it. Right now all you can say is if you're young it is unlikely, but not impossible for you to die of coronavirus infection. Given how complex a machine the human body is, I don't think it will ever be possible to know how any individual human will cope with an infection. What we can know is what your odds are. If you're young your odds are pretty good, and if you're old they are much less so. Skip the article, save yourself some time.

Oh yeah that video's comment section are a goldmine. This is no critique of the population, just the elite.

Archive of the comments, which are pretty funny. Particularly the guillotine ones.

https://archive.vn/Ep5F2

Even though I'm basically a right-winger, nothing would cheer me up more than a peasant uprising against these horrid aristocrats. And, for legal reasons, I should clarify I mean a peasant uprising at the ballot box in accordance with the law.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Hmm, I looked it up and it turns out you're right. 10-15 minutes of sunlight exposure is sufficient

https://web.archive.org/web/2018030...k/news/cancer/sun-and-vitamin-d-advice-given/



I still reckon there's a case to made for multivitamins and minerals though. They cost very little and it means your chances of having micronutrient deficiency, at least for the known micronutrients, are much lower.

The interesting thing about the report Dr. Campbell mentions is that it would explain why there's a flu season in the winter and it goes away in the summer. Especially as enhanced UV levels might also deactivate viral particles floating around in droplets in the air. E.g.

Inactivation of influenza virus by solar radiation. - PubMed - NCBI

https://archive.vn/4yvrq



Amusingly if you Google 'sunlight coronavirus' you get a bunch of articles by idiot journos debunking the claim that UV inactivation is a thing (e.g. https://archive.vn/aJ2xd). However if you Google 'sunlight influenza' you get papers like the above saying it is very possible. Actually that's not amusing, it's fucking horrifying - a bunch of journalists think they know the solution to the problem - stay indoors and wash your hands - and have decided it's in the public interest to debunk anything else even though they're incapable of reading even the abstract of a medical paper. Cunts.

Edit: Actually at the end of the BBC article they do mention this study this study which does confirm UV inactivation of influenza particles but they discount it on the grounds that it studied viral particles in the air rather than dried onto surfaces. This seems like burying the lede, not understanding exactly what the claim you're debunking is and/or not understanding the study. The study they link to claims



I'd say reducing viral half-life from 30 minutes down to 2 is would have a pretty significant effect on R(t) the reproductive rate of the virus and also explains why flu pandemics tend to stop in spring and summer. Also, the BBC doesn't seem to be willing to acknowledge the fact that viral particles floating around in the air, either in droplets or in the dried out remains of droplets, are much more likely to end up in your lungs than ones on surfaces. This is probably because it would conflict with their 'stay inside, wash your hands, masks don't work' advice.

Great to know it's more dangerous to be outside when the sun's down.

All across the US, there's been social distancing happy hours. People get together to drink at a distance. They tend to happen in the evenings, around sunset, and can last well into the night. They've been organizing on various sites and platforms, some of them can get quite large.

Part of me has wanted a ruthless police crack down, but I've also been curious what kind of impact this would have. Also what's happening with medical treatments.

United States Coronavirus: 377,499 Cases and 11,781 Deaths - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Today, people in New York tend to be dying less frequently. Deblasio came out and said there's anecdotal evidence the malaria drug is working. There were 731 new dead from yesterday, that's an improvement over what's been happening. I'm watching to see if they number continues to plummet.

Introducing a new drug that is effective would mean there's some set of patients that won't benefit, either they're too far gone or the drug didn't get distributed to them in time. But there should be a drop off period where we see a reduction in the number of deaths, and I'm cautiously optimistic that's what's happening (at least in NYC.)

As far as LA goes, I have a friend who's an EMT near San Diego. He said a group of guerrilla medics were able to buy a large quantity of the malaria drug - sackfuls - in Mexico a few weeks ago and get it back to the US. They've been distributing them to other EMTs up to about Big Sur and their stockpile looks like it can go up to about June. He knows he's been exposed frequently but hasn't shown any symptoms. Also, it's the same with everyone he works with, he doesn't know of a single EMT south of Carmel who has the virus. Could be accurate, could be that he just hasn't heard anything yet.

He's moved out of his condo to protect his family and currently lives in a doctor's house near his station, they talk about what they've learned. While the medical side of things is above my pay grade, what he conveys to me is their suspicion the breakdown happens in the blood, not the lungs. He made it sound like the doctor is seeing patients with no red blood cells, they had a patient on blood thinners bleed out and the blood was the wrong color. He also said some patients change color before they die, the skin turning pale and yellow on the way out.

While I don't want to speculate too early, one of the things I've thought about this virus is it's not actually a health emergency, it's an information emergency. What's really being tested here is our ability to share data, analyze it and synthesize knowledge fast enough to know what we're dealing with. There's all these little experiments happening, with treatment, prevention, new ways of organizing socially, and just dealing with each other in a time of great uncertainty. The only real metric we have is infections and morbidity, they're not high definition but they are a gauge for what's happening and it's better than nothing.

From my perspective - it looks like there's something about the malaria drug that's working, it's not a cure but it gets at the root of what this virus does to people. It looks like it's being used widely at this point and morbidity is starting to go down as a result. Basing this on NYC, we should be seeing an increase in dead people, instead the rate is going down. I suspect ventilators do more damage than is necessary, it's not good to have oxygen pumped into your lungs under any circumstances. Basing this off the observation that the problem is in the blood, not the lungs.

We're still far off from having a cure for this thing, but at least we're fighting back.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Trump just called out the WHO

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Trump just called out the WHO

It's time to get out of the UN. The entire organization has devolved into a propaganda machine for China and every program seems aimed at telling us the West is depraved.

China also now has people on the UNHCR, it's just Communist entryism and we need to stop putting up with it. Fuck them, kick the whole compound into the ocean.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Chad hohols do not do this virgin "try not to panic and stampede the herd" weak sauce bullshit like other, lesser nations.
Ukraine: Dnipro, 600 #graves were dug for possible victims of the #coronavirus #COVIDー19 #Pandemic

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Chad hohols do not do this virgin "try not to panic and stampede the herd" weak sauce bullshit like other, lesser nations.
Ukraine: Dnipro, 600 #graves were dug for possible victims of the #coronavirus #COVIDー19 #Pandemic

Please clarify: hohol refers to the holodomor?

The Ukrainians I know are some of the toughest people on Earth, wearing wolf shirts that talk about what happens when they come out of the woods. Feels like they're referring to killing Russians, seems like a big chunk of the nation wants a slice of revenge.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

At many geographical locations the sun is still not at the right angle at this time of the year to make you produce Vit D. Personally I take 4000 IU every day, and it's worthwhile to combine it with K2 as it facilitates absorption.

Here is the conversation I overheard shopping for my groceries:

first guy: "it's crazy how many cardiac arrests we are dealing with right now"
second guy: "really?"
first guy: "Yeah, we had like three months worth of cardiac arrests in 24 hours"
second guy: "and all from the corona?"
first guy: "all from the corona"

(I know it's a classic "I heard from my uncle second cousin", and it's even worse because I've heard it at grocery store, but I think it's still interesting to post)
(slight PL: I'm in the major hotspot rn)

2nd hand info from my friend-who-is-married-to-a-cardiac-nurse, but I'm told that the other symptoms put so much stress on the body that eventually the heart fails.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Please clarify: hohol refers to the holodomor?

The Ukrainians I know are some of the toughest people on Earth, wearing wolf shirts that talk about what happens when they come out of the woods. Feels like they're referring to killing Russians, seems like a big chunk of the nation wants a slice of revenge.

For your edification - hohol is an Ukrainian (common cossack surname, it's like calling Russians Ivans or Borises); Usually used in derogatory manner by Russians, making it triggering for Ukrainians. I do not have anything against Ukrainians per se, but I do post on kiwifarms, so obviously I would choose to call an Ukrainian hohol and a Japanese person a jap.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

New data on New York coronavirus deaths: Most had these underlying illnesses; 61% were men

New York coronavirus deaths: Data shows most had underlying illnesses

archived 7 Apr 2020 14:38:37 UTC

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Of the 4,758 deaths in New York since the first on March 14, 61% were men and 39% were women, the state Department of Health reportedon its new data portal.
In addition, 63% of the deaths were among those age 70 and older, while 7% of the cases were those 49 and younger.

And 4,089 of those who died had at least one other chronic disease, the records showed:

The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths.

Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases.

Other top illnesses found in those who died from coronavirus were hyperlipidemia; coronary artery disease; renal disease and dementia.

 

[Quijibo69]

New data on New York coronavirus deaths: Most had these underlying illnesses; 61% were men

I'm glad I'm a female with no underlying illnesses ages 18 to 40.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

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It's time to get out of the UN. The entire organization has devolved into a propaganda machine for China and every program seems aimed at telling us the West is depraved.

China also now has people on the UNHCR, it's just Communist entryism and we need to stop putting up with it. Fuck them, kick the whole compound into the ocean.

In the UN, Saudi Arabia was elected to be part of the Women's Rights Commission a few years ago.

And a few days ago, the UN elected China to be part of the Human Rights Commission-- in the midst of reports about China increasing harvesting the organs of political opponents (i.e. people in Chinese gulags and concentration camps) for treatment of the very virus that they created and lied about in the first place.

Do I even need to express how much disdain I hold for the United Nations? It's time for the U.S. to get OUT. I've been saying it for literally decades at this point, and that stance has only grown stronger and stronger over the years.

EDIT: Remember the genocide in Darfur back in the mid-2000's? A lot of hippies and bleeding hearts virtue signaled about how heartbroken they were, and wondered why nobody would do anything. Wanna know why? Sudan's military was backed by China at the time ... And China holds a lot of influence in the UN, hence why literally nothing was done about it. CHINA IS ASSHOLE, and they have been for a very long time now.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths.

Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases.

And people wonder why there are many younger people shit scared!

The amount of people that have both high BP and diabetes/pre-diabetes, is enormous.

I don't think dismissing this as 'it's just the flu', is helpful to anyone, in any way!

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

New data on New York coronavirus deaths: Most had these underlying illnesses; 61% were men

https://archive.li/DByp7

Of the 4,758 deaths in New York since the first on March 14, 61% were men and 39% were women, the state Department of Health reportedon its new data portal.
In addition, 63% of the deaths were among those age 70 and older, while 7% of the cases were those 49 and younger.

And 4,089 of those who died had at least one other chronic disease, the records showed:

The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths.

Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases.

Other top illnesses found in those who died from coronavirus were hyperlipidemia; coronary artery disease; renal disease and dementia.

So what I'm getting from this is that Corona-chan in and of itself only really picks old people off because they already have diseases that cause problems in their circulatory system in some way shape or form. Not that it doesn't blow the fuck out of them because they're old, but they're old and have bad blood flow and hence since the lungs give oxygen to the blood, their circulatory system is extremely overburdened and the blood isn't properly oxygenated.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I'm glad I'm a female with no underlying illnesses ages 18 to 40.

Same, but also what if we have illnesses we don't know about yet?

Also, I noticed the latest stats jumped >1% for those 30-40 age range. Maybe it's just a fluke of this one dataset but I wonder if it could be a weight thing. I'm in that age group and all my married friends are getting mom and dad bods.

 

[Aria]

Chinese city of Wuhan, where coronavirus pandemic began, lifts outbound travel restrictions, ending months-long lockdown - Xinhua

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“BREAKING: Chinese city of Wuhan, where coronavirus pandemic began, lifts outbound travel restrictions, ending months-long lockdown - Xinhua”

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archived 7 Apr 2020 16:15:56 UTC

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BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“Crowds flock to train station as Wuhan lifts coronavirus lockdown - AFP https://t.co/DLvC2oFM0W”

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archived 7 Apr 2020 16:19:08 UTC

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2nd wave incoming.