Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

What? Standard following an attempt is 48 to 72 hours at least. I mean, in the UK it could be different, but I'm literally 100% positive if she said 'I hear voices' she'd be under suspicion for psychosis, which is far more likely than DID. I've never known DID to be diagnosed in an emergency stabilization setting. It can take months for a therapist to have ruled out all other possibilities, and I promise you there are many. That's how I've known emergency psychiatric care to work, but I could be wrong.

In the UK the standard protocol is you have to be kept under supervision until you get evaluated by a mental health nurse / resident psychologist. This evaluation can even be over phone call if you're not actually in an ER and being supervised somewhere else. After this assessment, you can be discharged the same day after a suicide attempt if they think you are safe. If they have more cause for concern, they can section you under 24-hour hold. 24 hour is pretty common, though I've seen at least two near-successful suicide attempts (one from paracetamol overdose to the point of liver poisoning and another from attempted self-immolation) be let off without anything but a referral to an outpatient appointment with adult mental health services.

Also, Chloe's alleged DID wasn't diagnosed at her hold following her suicide attempt, she got that from Pottergate.
 
Typically, even in the US, they only hold you for longer than 24h if the psychiatric/crisis team deems you to be a danger to yourself or others
24 hour is pretty common

Thank you for the clarification. Not that well versed in emergency stuff. The 48 to 72 hour hold is probably what I was thinking after they deem you in danger. My apologies.
 
I miss Nan, I think she's the real lolcow here despite being the one who's more erratic and troubled. Hot take, I think Nan is Schizoaffective which would explain at least for me that she seems to when she's "fronting" as Nan be a complete mess on camera and her "alters" are just part of her delusions and possibly a result of hallucinations. I'm not a professional though, total armchair psychologist, so I'd be interested to hear why I'm absolutely wrong XD
 
Also maybe her family wasn't as affluent when she was growing up as everyone claims they were. She says an iPhone was too expensive. This was in 2013 before her birthday, so the most recent model was the 5 which was released September 2012 and cost $200 USD. The iPhone 4s was released October 11 and cost as low as $100 USD. So idk if Chloe was just ignorant to the value of money and the cost of an iPhone or if her parents really couldn't spare the extra money to buy her an iPhone versus the Android she had (idk which Android she had, wasn't stated, but it was stated that she did have an Android).

This made me laugh one of the saddest laughs I've ever laughed. No, being unwilling to buy your teenage daughter the latest piece of tech doesn't indicate money troubles. Neither does not buying her a Bop-It. I know they buy designer dogs which cost anywhere from $900 to $2000. So, they're affluent enough to fund dog eugenics, send their daughter to the school of her choice, and fund her lifestyle until her YouTube career took off. Even in her early videos, she's using makeup that is definitely not cheap. (I'm talking $100s of dollars.) Vacations, clubbing, ect. Same with her outfits and constantly changing hair. AFAIK, she didn't have a day job. Certainly not one that could fund all that... And then she has the nerve to say she was anxious because she thought she might be homeless.

Anyway, because I can't help myself... Here are a few more DissociaDID fans:

You've really done it now, Trisha!
Why are you like this?
Some love for Chloe
Some less aesthetically pleasing love for Chloe...
Trisha causing splits left and right.

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Forgot one of my favorites.
 
I see my points I was trying to make in my last post didn't get through clearly enough since some of you are assuming I didn't read the thread or whatever since I'm supposedly saying things that contradict what's already established. Let me try again.

You clearly didn't read the thread, then. We didn't miss that. It's in her full timeline.
I missed that then I guess, I was reading at 2 am.

She alludes to sexual abuse frequently. Read the thread again.
She really doesn't. She says she's been raped which happened at some point between 2013 and 2018. She's said she has trauma regarding being burnt and that during flashbacks she feels pressure on her hips. I can see how you can extrapolate that she was sexually abused from that, but she's also been extremely careful to draw attention away from childhood sexual abuse. I don't think that she was abused sexually as a child, but we'll never know unless she or one of her alters comes forward.

She didn't hang herself. She draws Omega with scarring around her neck and she says ropes and forests are trigger as a result of that suicide attempt. A verified fellow student came and reported that she actually jumped in the lake and then joked about it the next day. It wasn't a serious suicide attempt resulting in trauma and it didn't involve hanging. This information is all in this thread you claim to have carefully read before posting.
What was confirmed is that students were aware of police boats on water and police calling her name. That doesn't mean she tried to drown herself. She was reported missing in the forest/lake area. Chloe herself didn't say she threw herself in the lake, she didn't confirm that whatsoever. She joked about it being her and that she had a mental break, but she offered no details. Yes there were police looking for her on the lake, but that doesn't mean that she was there, she has said she was in the forest. It has been confirmed in this thread that there is in fact a forest next to the lake. But yeah, I'm the one who didn't read carefully.

The majority of children were spanked growing up. It isn't unusual and it isn't necessarily indicative of abusive parents. Combined with everything else we know of Chloe then I still don't see spanking as an indicator of abusive parents.
I never once said being spanked isn't unusual or is necessarily indicative of abusive parents; I said that her parents may not be as innocent as they claim to be. "Oh yes we did hit our child while she was growing up, but we have nothing to do with any trauma." I'm not saying her parents are abusive or were the causes of her trauma, just that they aren't as perfect as everyone here and even Chloe are presenting them.

Not being able to afford an iPhone by herself does not mean she was living in poverty.
She was about 15 in those asks and even said herself that she didn't have a job, but was looking for one which was difficult due to her being in school still. I highly doubt that she bought her Android with her own money. And I didn't say anything about poverty, but nice stretch. She may not have been as upper-middle class as has been supposed here. Her family has money for sure, how else would she have been able to afford her diagnosis?

She claims that her alters communicate through her diaries. As stated in this thread.
Yes, thank you, I did in fact read. What I was wondering was if they used the diaries she wrote in BEFORE the diagnosis, AKA when she was in college, pre-2014. I surely am the one who can't read here.

Chloe was only hospitalised for 24 hours following the suicide attempt where she discovered Kyle and met briefly with a crisis team. As mentioned in this thread. Chloe paid for her diagnosis from a man not qualified to offer a diagnosis. As covered in this thread.
Again, never said she got her diagnosis in hospital, just that she spent about the same amount of time with good ol' Dr Remy that Tatiana likely spent with her doctors in hospital.

She wasn't diagnosed at a hospital, let alone by a psychiatrist. She was "diagnosed" by a private therapy practice called the Pottergate Centre.

I have been hospitalized and I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder within a week, and they used the rest of my time there to monitor my behavior and blood toxicity, and adjust lithium dosage accordingly.
See above. If we're talking diagnoses, I was evaluated in hospital during a period of longer than a week and got my diagnoses about three or four months later after having seen my psych three or four more times.

This made me laugh one of the saddest laughs I've ever laughed. No, being unwilling to buy your teenage daughter the latest piece of tech doesn't indicate money troubles. Neither does not buying her a Bop-It. I know they buy designer dogs which cost anywhere from $900 to $2000. So, they're affluent enough to fund dog eugenics, send their daughter to the school of her choice, and fund her lifestyle until her YouTube career took off. Even in her early videos, she's using makeup that is definitely not cheap. (I'm talking $100s of dollars.) Vacations, clubbing, ect. Same with her outfits and constantly changing hair. AFAIK, she didn't have a day job. Certainly not one that could fund all that... And then she has the nerve to say she was anxious because she thought she might be homeless.
I'm sure her family has money now, but maybe not as much when she was younger, or it could have just been the impression she had. She could have just had the impression that they didn't have that kind of money. Or she could have just not known the price of an iPhone at that time, which I said in my original post. It isn't proof of anything, just that she had the impression that either iPhones were hella expensive then or that her family didn't have that kind of money.

Edit: And I'm not caping for her. I'm skeptical and am searching for proof that she's faking, and I provided things for me that seem suspicious. But I notice how y'all didn't reply to any of the legit concerns, only wanting to fight with me over what I said and how "waahhh you didn't read the thread omfg"
 
This made me laugh one of the saddest laughs I've ever laughed. No, being unwilling to buy your teenage daughter the latest piece of tech doesn't indicate money troubles. Neither does not buying her a Bop-It. I know they buy designer dogs which cost anywhere from $900 to $2000. So, they're affluent enough to fund dog eugenics, send their daughter to the school of her choice, and fund her lifestyle until her YouTube career took off. Even in her early videos, she's using makeup that is definitely not cheap. (I'm talking $100s of dollars.) Vacations, clubbing, ect. Same with her outfits and constantly changing hair. AFAIK, she didn't have a day job. Certainly not one that could fund all that... And then she has the nerve to say she was anxious because she thought she might be homeless.

Anyway, because I can't help myself... Here are a few more DissociaDID fans:

You've really done it now, Trisha!
Why are you like this?
Some love for Chloe
Some less aesthetically pleasing love for Chloe...
Trisha causing splits left and right.

ETA:
Forgot one of my favorites.
They're all pretty bad but the Tiktok with the 40 year old bloke is the most pathetic thing if seen yet like get tf off of tiktok Dave:stress:

Edit: wanted to throw in a personal favourite after browsing the guys profile
 
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After my post clarifying why I don't believe people with DID can develop non-human alters, I decided to do some research on neurologically typical paracosms in children and children exhibiting symptoms of schizophrenia. The main difference between these two sets of children is that neurologically typical children know that their imaginary friends, no matter how detailed and complex these friends and their worlds may be, are not real, while children showing early signs of schizophrenia are deluded. That is, they believe that their imaginary friends and their worlds are real.

One of the things that piqued me as especially odd in that at least one of the pieces of literature that Chloe provided, was that they specifically refer to the DID patients as scoring low on hypnotizability. This is significant to me because in studies of cases of schizophrenia, brain scans show that hallucinatory perception is driven by "top down" factors, which are factors that are internal to the individual, so based on prior established facts/knowledge, expectations, and mentally-created imagery. Dr. Stephen Grossberg, a cognitive neuroscientist, has documented evidence that hallucinations/delusions may be states of consciousness created out of top-down excitation, especially in the absence of bottom-down factors (external data that is captured by the senses). This means that the reason that schizophrenia develops is first because of some kind of neurological suppression of sensory data, and then gets worse overtime as the brain becomes more reliant on internal factors, making top-down excitation chronically hyperactive.

This means that based on empirical evidence, outright deluded states of consciousness require the the suppression of sensory information to occur at all, so the idea that someone can both believe they are a werecat AND score low on the propensity to hallucinatory experiences is in itself a contradiction.

However, the data that Dr. Grossberg shares does explain, at least in my opinion, why people who have truly dissociative experiences feel disconnected from reality and themselves, and unsure of what is real and what is not. The brain's defense mechanism in suppressing sensory information in trauma may actually be driving a hallucinatory state of consciousness.

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Research on schizophrenia has for nearly a century been entirely biologically-based. Recent studies are looking at that wealth of data with new eyes, and have found that schizophrenic patients who experienced trauma in their childhood/adolescence are at least three times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia at some point in their lives. Patients who experienced long-term, sustained trauma and abuse in early childhood were 50 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia. Their research also linked psychotic depression and bipolar disorder development propensity to trauma.

This, in my opinion, is really validating in terms of what I believe is going on in the brain in real dissociative disorder cases, and possibly borderline personality disorder cases as well, and more importantly, who is faking it.

Interesting read: https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/38/4/734/1870335
And this one: https://europepmc.org/article/med/24229750
 
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After my post clarifying why I don't believe people with DID can develop non-human alters, I decided to do some research on neurologically typical paracosms in children and children exhibiting symptoms of schizophrenia. The main difference between these two sets of children is that neurologically typical children know that their imaginary friends, no matter how detailed and complex these friends and their worlds may be, are not real, while children showing early signs of schizophrenia are deluded. That is, they believe that their imaginary friends and their worlds are real.

One of the things that piqued me as especially odd in that at least one of the pieces of literature that Chloe provided, was that they specifically refer to the DID patients as scoring low on hypnotizability. This is significant to me because in studies of cases of schizophrenia, brain scans show that hallucinatory perception is driven by "top down" factors, which are factors that are internal to the individual, so based on prior established facts/knowledge, expectations, and mentally-created imagery. Dr. Stephen Grossberg, a cognitive neuroscientist, has documented evidence that hallucinations/delusions may be states of consciousness created out of top-down excitation, especially in the absence of bottom-down factors (external data that is captured by the senses). This means that the reason that schizophrenia develops is first because of some kind of neurological suppression of sensory data, and then gets worse overtime as the brain becomes more reliant on internal factors, making top-down excitation chronically hyperactive.

This means that based on empirical evidence, outright deluded states of consciousness require the the suppression of sensory information to occur at all, so the idea that someone can both believe they are a werecat AND score low on the propensity to hallucinatory experiences is in itself a contradiction.

However, the data that Dr. Grossberg shares does explain, at least in my opinion, why people who have truly dissociative experiences feel disconnected from reality and themselves, and unsure of what is real and what is not. The brain's defense mechanism in suppressing sensory information in trauma may actually be driving a hallucinatory state of consciousness.

You smart good. On a serious and slightly off thread topic note, my understanding of schizophrenia is that it doesn't manifest fully until young adulthood.
 
On a serious and slightly off thread topic note, my understanding of schizophrenia is that it doesn't manifest fully until young adulthood.

AFAIK, clinicians have trouble diagnosing patients before the age of 13 because at that age, a lot of the symptoms are present in many alternative diagnoses. Childhood-onset schizophrenia may not be recognized for what it was until after the age of 13 or in young adulthood.

Twitter
Here in Chloe trying to explain away Remy and the Pottergate center.

So she's admitting that she never has seen or sees the Forensic Psychiatrist at the Pottergate Centre, as we suspected.
 
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CLASSIC TURN AROUND.

She was called out for using diminutives but she was called Chloe so that wasnt okay. Classic deflection.

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I never once said being spanked isn't unusual or is necessarily indicative of abusive parents; I said that her parents may not be as innocent as they claim to be. "Oh yes we did hit our child while she was growing up, but we have nothing to do with any trauma." I'm not saying her parents are abusive or were the causes of her trauma, just that they aren't as perfect as everyone here and even Chloe are presenting them.
Her parents themselves don't "claim" to be anything. Chloe herself is the one who said they were "loving and supportive", and that she misses being carefree in childhood.
Chloe herself didn't say she threw herself in the lake, she didn't confirm that whatsoever. She joked about it being her and that she had a mental break, but she offered no details.
How does her saying "lol that was me" lead you to say "Chloe herself didn't say she threw herself in the lake"?


EDIT: The schtick about wanting to be called Nin is ridiculous. If the alter 'Nina' fractured off from the host 'Chloe' and then the two recombined, that doesn't do anything other than make her 'Chloe' once again.

If it really does equate to a new identity because some miraculous 'something' emerged from nothing during the split and reintegration, that takes me back to all the research highlighting how the defining difference between DID and DID malingerers is that the latter group treat their alters as different people. You clearly need to do more research, Chloe.
 
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Twitter
Here in Chloe trying to explain away Remy and the Pottergate center.
AFAIK, clinicians have trouble diagnosing patients before the age of 13 because at that age, a lot of the symptoms are present in many alternative diagnoses. Childhood-onset schizophrenia may not be recognized for what it was until after the age of 13 or in young adulthood.



So she's admitting that she never has seen or sees the Forensic Psychiatrist at the Pottergate Centre, as we suspected.
This also shows that she is lying or at least misinforming ppl about his status and qualifications. The queen of "misinformation is dangerous!"
 
I'm sure her family has money now, but maybe not as much when she was younger, or it could have just been the impression she had.
Why does the amount of money they have/had matter? Yes, growing up impoverished can lead to traumatizing situations, but being poor really isn't a cause of DID. By her own admission, he upbringing was happy and normal (aside from the horrific abuse she's apparently faced???), so I really doubt that, even if they didn't have a ton of money, it was fine.
 
Why does the amount of money they have/had matter? Yes, growing up impoverished can lead to traumatizing situations, but being poor really isn't a cause of DID. By her own admission, he upbringing was happy and normal (aside from the horrific abuse she's apparently faced???), so I really doubt that, even if they didn't have a ton of money, it was fine.

She said she lived in the same house her entire life, so I don't think even that guy's projected understanding is true.

She really doesn't. She says she's been raped which happened at some point between 2013 and 2018. She's said she has trauma regarding being burnt and that during flashbacks she feels pressure on her hips. I can see how you can extrapolate that she was sexually abused from that, but she's also been extremely careful to draw attention away from childhood sexual abuse. I don't think that she was abused sexually as a child, but we'll never know unless she or one of her alters comes forward.

She specifically states that she has sexual trauma that she does not remember in one of her videos. Also, I hope you can appreciate the kind of imagery she is presenting is what we are discussing. We feel she is deliberately creating mental imagery that alludes to sexual abuse, that's the crux of our criticism with those descriptions and it being tied to DID.

What was confirmed is that students were aware of police boats on water and police calling her name. That doesn't mean she tried to drown herself. She was reported missing in the forest/lake area. Chloe herself didn't say she threw herself in the lake, she didn't confirm that whatsoever. She joked about it being her and that she had a mental break, but she offered no details. Yes there were police looking for her on the lake, but that doesn't mean that she was there, she has said she was in the forest. It has been confirmed in this thread that there is in fact a forest next to the lake. But yeah, I'm the one who didn't read carefully.

She did not joke about "the girl they found on the lake" as being her. She said it was her. This entire paragraph is a reach.

I never once said being spanked isn't unusual or is necessarily indicative of abusive parents; I said that her parents may not be as innocent as they claim to be. "Oh yes we did hit our child while she was growing up, but we have nothing to do with any trauma." I'm not saying her parents are abusive or were the causes of her trauma, just that they aren't as perfect as everyone here and even Chloe are presenting them.

No parent is perfect.

There's a cataclysm of difference between "not perfect" and "neglectful or abusive to the level required to develop a dissociative disorder".

Dissociative disorders develop in childhood, and there are early signs in behavior that are often misattributed to other things. These behavioral issues are often reported to third parties as they can be signs of abuse and neglect inside the child's home. The signs they are starting to specifically link to DID, other than the signs of abuse, are not dissimilar to the early signs of schizophrenia and other psychosis.

So a parent would have to completely ignore signs of aggression, depression, night terrors, unusual fears and obsessions with sexual organs and/or the bathroom in order to miss that their child was being abused. This is why it is referred to as neglect. You'd have to not be around or not paying any attention to your child at all not to notice these things.

When she was 15, in her social media, she said she was a very happy child. When you contrast this with social media of teens who have suffered trauma, their presence is typically marked by aggression and depression. In her interview with Toi, she claimed she began experiencing severe depression and self-harming when she was 11. This does not match up with her previous accounts of her childhood. When she says she started going to therapy when she was 16, I assume that this is the actual truth, since her family would be able to dispute it otherwise. Teen depression is not uncommon, and her parents noticed she was unwell and sought treatment.

Her "secretly" seeing her general practitioner and her account of being suicidal and self-harming and being dismissed is what strikes me as the lie. Again, he parents would have to have no idea she was self-harming, meaning that they were completely absent. By her own account this is not the case. It just does not add up. When I mentioned I fantasized about dying when I was 15 to my OBGYN, she was legally obligated to report it. And keep in mind that that was more than 2 decades ago. Doctors are even more fervent these days.

See above. If we're talking diagnoses, I was evaluated in hospital during a period of longer than a week and got my diagnoses about three or four months later after having seen my psych three or four more times.
My point was that you can get a diagnosis for various disorders in a shorter time period than what you postulated in the previous post. It depends on how the disorder/illness is characterized.
 
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What exactly is the endgame with this thread? A bunch of pathetic losers jerking themselves off for solving a scooby doo mystery or are you actually going to expose this person? Because if thats the case, you are just as delusional as that girl Chloe. I dont know whats more pathetic; someone faking a disorder for views and money or some self proclaimed adults who use a secret website in order to bash said person because they are afraid of the backlash of her weird stans even though they act like tough shit. You lot are just as pathetic as her fans, dont try to act holier than who. Both of these pathetic groups are sown by the same material in the same pattern, you just have a different color. So when you go home, look at yourself in the mirror and reflect on how insignificant your lives are. You are exposing anybody, you guys are that important. Kill yourselves :) XOXOXO
 
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