Wuhan Coronavirus - COVID-19 Analysis & Summary - This is not just fucking pneumonia. It is everything but the kitchen sink. Lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, brain, blood vessels, testes. It affects them all.

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I have six ARs of various types. I have an AR-10, a SIG M400 (which is very dolled-up and has Magpul and Troy furniture, a BCM Gunfighter extended charging handle, a VG6 Gamma comp, and an EOTech EXPS3-4 with a G33 magnifier), a 10.5" AR pistol, two 7.5" AR pistols, and one 9mm AR Pistol. I also have a Kel-Tec RFB, a Springfield M1A, a Norinco SKS, and a Ruger 10/22. I have a Mossberg 500 and a Remington 870. I also have a Ruger Mk. II, a Kimber Custom II, a CZ 75 SP-01, a Tokarev TT-C, and a Desert Eagle with .44 and .50 barrels.

Basically, I have an arsenal to put most of /k/ to shame.

It's worth noting that the Spanish Flu, which also had a mortality rate of "around 1 to 3 percent", variously quoted as 2.5%, killed tens of millions of people worldwide.

The world population and population density is much higher than in 1918, with ever-increasing levels of urbanization. Also, our transportation is a lot faster and more interconnected, with jet aircraft and automobiles flitting around everywhere.

If COVID-19 is left uncontrolled, with no quarantines and no countermeasures, it could kill 90+ million people globally. That's no exaggeration.
Well I did respond to the wrong spread, but apparently this is worth a read as I am feeling the smug aura emanating from you, after reading just 2 or 3 replies... was gonna delete the post but oh well.

Not sure why you would share the guns you have, that's fucking dumb. It's like you're asking for a visit, not from Coronachan.

But yeah, a virus that's easy to spread but has a boring looking mortality rate is bad. EBOLA was a nothingburger because the niggas that got it dropped dead in a couple hours, and there's other shit that kills them in Africa anyway.
 
Well I did respond to the wrong spread, but apparently this is worth a read as I am feeling the smug aura emanating from you, after reading just 2 or 3 replies... was gonna delete the post but oh well.

People are calculating CFRs wrong. They're taking the total number of infected and dividing by the number of dead. That tells you nothing, because many of the infected have neither died nor recovered yet.

You have to calculate the CFR of the resolved cases. Recovered + dead / dead.

If you cut out China's worthless figures, that looks a little bit something like this:

218286 + 75879 ÷ 75879 =‬ 3.876764322144467‬

100 ÷ 3.876764322144467‬ = 25.7%

There's the fatality rate of the resolved cases so far. 25.7%. There's your CFR. Kind of. We'd have to see how the rest fare.

The mortality for the remainder, as in people who are currently infected but have neither died nor survived, is basically indeterminate (unless, of course, you get into all sorts of statistical voodoo to try and come up with delay-adjusted figures that take into account the proportions of patients currently infected, existing comorbidities, age groups, et cetera).

If you assume that only 5 to 10% of cases are detected, and the rest are undetectable infections, the infection fatality rate (or IFR) of this virus is somewhere in the area of 1.2 to 2.5%.

That's the same as Spanish Flu.

That's enough to kill tens of millions of people globally if there is unrestricted spread.

Not sure why you would share the guns you have, that's fucking dumb. It's like you're asking for a visit, not from Coronachan.

I'm an American. It's not illegal to have guns here.
 
Isn't this kind of eating into your hobby time, though? I mean if you're only sleeping 3-5 hours a day and going to work and spending every other spare moment with your head jammed into PDF articles, that doesn't leave a lot of time to chill out. You wouldn't want to burn out on this if you think it's so important. What are you even doing in your spare time to wind down, right now?
 
Isn't this kind of eating into your hobby time, though? I mean if you're only sleeping 3-5 hours a day and going to work and spending every other spare moment with your head jammed into PDF articles, that doesn't leave a lot of time to chill out. You wouldn't want to burn out on this if you think it's so important. What are you even doing in your spare time to wind down, right now?

Lately, Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord, which I waited a good 8 years for.

Oh my god, the leveling system in this game is an insane grindfest. You have to smith or smelt like a million things just to get one point in smithing. Also, there's no auto-block in SP, so you have to actually block and not be a bitch and play it on easy mode. I'm playing with realistic health damage and it's a refreshing, Dark Souls-ish challenge. Very satisfying.

It did launch with a few bugs, but TaleWorlds have been very quick to patch it numerous times since release. Impressive.
 
Being an inert fat is a huge comorbidity, fam.

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Lately, Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord, which I waited a good 8 years for.

Oh my god, the leveling system in this game is an insane grindfest. You have to smith or smelt like a million things just to get one point in smithing. Also, there's no auto-block in SP, so you have to actually block and not be a bitch and play it on easy mode. I'm playing with realistic health damage and it's a refreshing, Dark Souls-ish challenge. Very satisfying.

It did launch with a few bugs, but TaleWorlds have been very quick to patch it numerous times since release. Impressive.
That's surprising, I pictured you as more of a Factorio type. People who get really fascinated with fiddly details and micromanagement seem to get addicted to that game incredibly easily, but I suppose M&B isn't too far off the mark.
 
That's surprising, I pictured you as more of a Factorio type. People who get really fascinated with fiddly details and micromanagement seem to get addicted to that game incredibly easily, but I suppose M&B isn't too far off the mark.

I know a lot of friends who are into Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, etc.

Factorio is pretty neat, and I've been meaning to get into it, but haven't really. I honestly prefer Minecraft, Starbound, StarMade, Space Engineers, and KSP. I prefer games that let you build functional, engineered stuff to ones where you just idly manage a factory or a village or whatnot, even though modded Minecraft with factories similar to Factorio used to be a vice of mine.

I like building weird aircraft in KSP. The orbital mechanics stuff is cool, but I honestly just prefer making weird planes. I once made a jetbike with vanilla parts that was very, very agile. Enough to barnstorm the hangar on the Island Airfield.


Yes, I composed that little ditty in the background in FL Studio. I do music stuff as a hobby:


If you play KSP and want to try out my weird VTOLs, check these out:




The Arrowhead-Demon is kind of hard to fly because it has a low wing area and very high takeoff speed in horizontal flight mode, and also, the COG shifts due to fuel depletion, so you have to adjust the thrust bias manually when vertical-landing. I have flown it all the way to Baikerbanur and landed it on the roof numerous times.

I also like Starsector and Stellaris. I used to be into FPS a lot (Halo, CoD, Titanfall, etc.), but my main vice is sandbox games. I have over 800 hours into GTA Online, for instance.
 
I certainly love stolen science valor.
I happen to share a name with that guy. At no point did I ever attempt to pose as him.
@Drain Todger is right, he didn't attempt to pose as him. That was my mistake in initially thinking he was someone with an actual science background and matching the name from the Word doc to someone with a LinkedIn profile I thought might be him. I didn't edit my post since his actual dox got dropped as the thread continued, although I think now I ought to do that.
 
I'm a sailor
I know you're special and it confused you when a bunch of people jumped up your ass after saying you're a sailor. When normal people see the word sailor, even uncapitalized, they jump to Navy.

Unless ferries are significantly different from the rest of the marine industry, firefighting is the engineering department's responsibility and everyone in the department down to the unlicensed oiler(you are here) has to be trained in shipboard firefighting. It would have been a much better appeal to authority to say you are an engineer on a ship.

Not that matters. We are way past the point where any kiwi will believe your are an authority on anything outside of cartoon horse cock.
 
I know a lot of friends who are into Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, etc.

Factorio is pretty neat, and I've been meaning to get into it, but haven't really. I honestly prefer Minecraft, Starbound, StarMade, Space Engineers, and KSP. I prefer games that let you build functional, engineered stuff to ones where you just idly manage a factory or a village or whatnot, even though modded Minecraft with factories similar to Factorio used to be a vice of mine.

I like building weird aircraft in KSP. The orbital mechanics stuff is cool, but I honestly just prefer making weird planes. I once made a jetbike with vanilla parts that was very, very agile. Enough to barnstorm the hangar on the Island Airfield.


Yes, I composed that little ditty in the background in FL Studio. I do music stuff as a hobby:


If you play KSP and want to try out my weird VTOLs, check these out:




I also like Starsector and Stellaris. I used to be into FPS a lot (Halo, CoD, Titanfall, etc.), but my main vice is sandbox games. I have over 800 hours into GTA Online, for instance.
the speed at which you alternate from hyperventilating about your medical expertise that will save civilization to jabbering about yourself in the most inane detail adds additional support to my initial personality disorder diagnosis.
 
I know a lot of friends who are into Factorio, Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, etc.

Factorio is pretty neat, and I've been meaning to get into it, but haven't really. I honestly prefer Minecraft, Starbound, StarMade, Space Engineers, and KSP. I prefer games that let you build functional, engineered stuff to ones where you just idly manage a factory or a village or whatnot, even though modded Minecraft with factories similar to Factorio used to be a vice of mine.

I like building weird aircraft in KSP. The orbital mechanics stuff is cool, but I honestly just prefer making weird planes. I once made a jetbike with vanilla parts that was very, very agile. Enough to barnstorm the hangar on the Island Airfield.


Yes, I composed that little ditty in the background in FL Studio. I do music stuff as a hobby:


If you play KSP and want to try out my weird VTOLs, check these out:




The Arrowhead-Demon is kind of hard to fly because it has a low wing area and very high takeoff speed in horizontal flight mode, and also, the COG shifts due to fuel depletion, so you have to adjust the thrust bias manually when vertical-landing. I have flown it all the way to Baikerbanur and landed it on the roof numerous times.

I also like Starsector and Stellaris. I used to be into FPS a lot (Halo, CoD, Titanfall, etc.), but my main vice is sandbox games. I have over 800 hours into GTA Online, for instance.
I wouldn't view Factorio as just "idly managing a factory" though, since from what I hear from people who love coding, Factorio is more akin to being a visual representation of coding. It's all about finding bigger and better and more efficient ways to streamline whatever factory you're designing, so the bulk of the game is micro-managing the inputs and outputs, and fine-tuning the way that your factory produces and processes resources.

The only time it becomes an "idle factory manager" is if you've made something that's just too efficient to bother refining, but the world expands outwards infinitely so there's always room to make your factory even larger, from what I hear. It's the kind of game that people wind up making massive Excel spreadsheets to help plot out their designs. Someone like you could definitely get into it because I think that the only people who play it are people like you.
 
If you cut out China's worthless figures, that looks a little bit something like this:

218286 + 75879 ÷ 75879 =‬ 3.876764322144467‬

100 ÷ 3.876764322144467‬ = 25.7%

There's the fatality rate of the resolved cases so far. 25.7%. There's your CFR. Kind of. We'd have to see how the rest fare.
If you want to make sense, you need to explain your fucking numbers. Are you in primary school? Why are you using "÷"? Haven't seen that since the last cancer "viral math question" shit.

Also,
218286 + 75879 ÷ 75879 =‬ 3.876764322144467‬
= 218286 + 1
= 218287
You idiot.

If I haven't been looking into this shit, I'd have no idea what you're doing.

China's numbers are hardly worthless. It basically shows us the severity of the virus, even when it's forcibly contained to Wuhan via the fist of authoritarianism. It gives us an idea on how bad the virus will be given the response time frame. China responded on the 19th of Jan by sending epidemiologists to Wuhan, after the 18th gathering, and Wuhan was locked down on the 23rd. Patient Zero believed to be found on the 10th of Dec last year, and the virus blew up on the 27th on Jan. Most deaths were in Wuhan. Tells us this:
- Lockdown works, even if it's a week too late
- Yes the numbers are severely underestimated, but it's also broken down by province and thus a good reference, no matter how much you might dislike it
- If you're going to just claim the lockdown is a lie, then there's videos of people dropping dead all across the country. Not the fact.
- Death at home likely not included. Only those who die and were diagnosed are included in the statistics
- Deadliest aspect of the virus is the long incubation periods

First case in USA was on the 21st, so murica's effort has been an utter disaster. First case in Korea is on 20th, and look at how well they've been doing.

What I can see is you basically adding 1 to the fraction, then dividing it by 100. You have to explain what CFR and IFR is for anyone not fucking autistic enough to get aroused by numbers. You likely don't know what they are either.

You might also want to factor in lag time that fucks up the reporting and gathering of statistics, you even mentioned it. 100 died at 10pm, but this 100 might be confirmed at 11pm, reported at 0am, then added at 8am when people start working. This makes CFR a very jumpy and unreliable metric, because is it jumpy and unreliable.

Oh and yeah... CFR changes. Your numbers are pretty useless.
Virus kills 100% patients:
Day 1: 200 cases, 0 death, CFR=0%
Day 2: 500 cases, 250 deaths, CFR=50%
Day 3: 750 cases, 500 deaths, CFR=66.6667%
Day 3: 1000 cases, 1000 deaths, CFR=100%
Day 4: 0 cases, 0 deaths... good.

I think you don't really know what you're talking about. People aren't miscalculating the CFR, they aren't retards. You simply chose to use RCFR (Resolved CFR) because... reasons? SARS kills 1 out of 10 patients, covid-19 kills 2 out of 100 on average. RCFR evaluates the ratio at a given time. The RCFR will begin as a tiny number, then steadily climb, and then decline again (hopefully).

Also, if you even want to use CFR right now as the epidemic is brewing, you need to see how it correlates with the real values, the real fatality rate, or the 2% of covid-2019 which is based on China (hint: mathematically, it fucking doesn't!). CFR is based on current numbers, not used as an estimation and it in no way means averages are meaningless, most don't give a shit about these stats. RCFR and CFR will overestimate or underestimate depending on which numbers you're trying to pull out. However, eventually the two should converge, which means mathematically, give it enough time, RCFR and CFR will reach 2% or so, or otherwise, it should converge to 2% or so when the epidemic ends. If it doesn't, then China's numbers are either overestimated or underestimated. It's also fallacious to treat an entire country as a whole, as the hotspots sees the worst of the virus and some buttfuck nowhere sees nothing.

Ironically, CFR works great for countries such as China and South Korea, where the epidemic is effectively at its end (might see a second boom, that would be scary, but both can get very dictatorial). That's when the metric is significant and converges to real world values. You somehow called it worthless, baffling. Just because the CPC has a track record of being liars and faggots doesn't mean the numbers are bad and shouldn't be used.

Holy fuck, I'm wasting my time.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You've shown very serious misunderstandings of these numbers and displayed yourself as basically a retard. I'll get something up for specifically China, Taiwan, and South Korea to show you why what you're saying is basically shit. Hopefully this convinces you to be less smug.

tl;dr OP is using a metric known as RCFR, calls it CFR because reasons. Both metrics are useless because they can only truly represent reality after an epidemic, and both are susceptible to time frames, and correlation doesn't exist most of the time.

In all fairness to our OP here, neither the media nor WHO is qualified to talk about mathematics. OP exemplifies why normies should just stay away and eat the easiest numbers, ie the daily calculated numbers which are just averages. How many died, how many new cases, how many up until now, and what's dead divided by the addition of the two?
 
You idiot.

You misread that. The first one is plus, the other is a division sign.

Not counting China's data, 218286 recoveries + 75879 deaths = 294,165‬ resolved cases.

294,165 resolved cases divided by 75879 deaths is 3.876.

100 / 3.876 = 25.7%

1 in 3.876 of the resolved cases have died. That's 25.7%.

China's numbers are hardly worthless. It basically shows us the severity of the virus, even when it's forcibly contained to Wuhan via the fist of authoritarianism.

But numerous sources have indicated China's data was dishonest.


“I have never in my years seen an r-squared of 0.99,” Goodman says. “As a statistician, it makes me question the data.”

Real human data are never perfectly predictive when it comes to something like an epidemic, Goodman says, since there are countless ways that a person could come into contact with the virus.

For context, Goodman says a “really good” r-squared, in terms of public health data, would be a 0.7. “Anything like 0.99,” she said, “would make me think that someone is simulating data. It would mean you already know what is going to happen.”

If the R-squared is 0.99, that means the variance in the data from day-to-day is basically nil, like it was generated by a spreadsheet.

And then, there was the matter of the backlog of urns:



The media in the US is reporting that 40,000 to 50,000 people died in Wuhan of COVID-19 and it was covered up. The official number of deaths for Hubei province is 3,212, according to the JHU COVID-19 map:


Even on the face of it, this seems very, very low compared to what the virus has done in other countries, especially when one considers that China went as far as to commandeer stadiums and build temporary hospitals to house the sick. It seems obvious that there were many more deaths than we're being told.

tl;dr OP is using a metric known as RCFR, calls it CFR because reasons. Both metrics are useless because they can only truly represent reality after an epidemic, and both are susceptible to time frames, and correlation doesn't exist most of the time.

In all fairness to our OP here, neither the media nor WHO is qualified to talk about mathematics. OP exemplifies why normies should just stay away and eat the easiest numbers, ie the daily calculated numbers which are just averages. How many died, how many new cases, how many up until now, and what's dead divided by the addition of the two?

I am aware that the RCFR and CFR are two different numbers. That's why I said the outcome for the remainder of infections is indeterminate. It's because we won't know the final CFR until the pandemic is actually over.

RCFR starts off very poor and progressively gets better, because you have a lot of people die right away, because, well, they're old and have lots of pre-existing conditions. I calculated the RCFR as 50 to 60% initially in Wuhan, because 50 to 60% of the known cases had died. Italy has the same thing going on. Lots of old people ending up hospitalized and dying. I am aware of the statistics, here, and the time lag effect.
 
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@AltisticRight

Let's do a little RCFR comparison here, real quick.


China is claiming 77,167 recoveries and 3,331 deaths. That's a 4.13% fatality rate.

Now, let's see what Italy is saying.


Italy is claiming 24,392 recoveries and 17,127 deaths. That is a 41.2% fatality rate. Ten times higher.

Why the disparity, there? What part of China having 77,167 recoveries and a mere 3,331 deaths is believable, given the viciousness of the disease elsewhere?
 
I am a lying retard who LARPS as a bigbrain
Misusing papers that talk about rare symptoms and emphasizing them over the normal ones of a virus and not revealing that said rare symptoms ARE RARE is lying you delusional retard. It's called academic dishonesty and you've been doing it over and over again without even giving a single shit when it gets called out.

Lick your doorknobs and do a flip into Puget Sound.
 
Misusing papers that talk about rare symptoms and emphasizing them over the normal ones of a virus is lying you delusional exceptional individual. It's called academic dishonesty and you've been doing it over and over again without even giving a single shit when it gets called out.

Lick your doorknobs and do a flip into Puget Sound.

You don't understand where I'm coming from at all.

It's not that these symptoms are rare. Rather, they're going undetected. Let's say a patient has pneumonia and cardiomyopathy brought on by COVID-19. Let's say that, concurrently, they also had medullary dysfunction in their cardiorespiratory center that was depressing their breathing or altering their heart rhythm.

If you were a doctor examining the patient, which one would you suspect? That the pneumonia and cardiomyopathy were causing the depressed breathing and heart rhythm abnormalities, or that the patient's brain stem had been infected, causing dysautonomia and loss of communication between the brain and the heart and lungs?

That's not all. COVID-19 patients have uniformly high ferritin levels. They also have abnormal AST/ALT, a sign of liver dysfunction (mild viral hepatitis). Liver dysfunction can cause elevated ferritin. Also, new information has come to light that COVID-19 may interrupt hemoglobin metabolism, resulting in excess free heme floating around in the blood (which can cause coagulation and excess clotting, another thing that has been seen in COVID-19 patients). This process also causes high ferritin.

Which one does the patient have? Viral hepatitis, or hemolytic anemia?

Some signs and symptoms in COVID-19 are masked by others. This is confusing the fuck out of doctors.




It's not "academic dishonesty". I am not trying to present rare symptoms of the disease as common symptoms. I am covering all the angles, making sure we don't miss anything.
 
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