Wuhan Coronavirus: Lockdowns, Quarantines, Cancellations

[Underestimated Nutria]

Yes. Until there's a vaccine.

I don't care. This is a global event which is trying everyone. Being asked to stay inside pales in comparison to both what is actually happening to people who are infected and what might happen if the infection spreads faster.

None of those things matter if you're hospitalized or dead.

Yes. What a stupid question.

Why don't you try to engage with the discussion?

 

[FuckedUp]

Shit, that's two weeks before my school's summer classes start. I was planning on taking a couple upper-level CS classes this summer but it's becoming more and more likely that at least the first session's classes will be online if not outright cancelled.

Welp, just got an email saying all summer classes will be online. Probably just going to take some math classes instead to get that major out of the way.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Welp, just got an email saying all summer classes will be online. Probably just going to take some math classes instead to get that major out of the way.

So do they have Chemistry and other courses that pretty much require labs/in person meetings listed?

 

[FuckedUp]

So do they have Chemistry and other courses that pretty much require labs/in person meetings listed?

I mean, the listed courses haven't even been updated yet and still list physical locations, so I don't know.

 

[heathercho]

So for the pro-quarentine people, at what point do you think the suffering of the 10% who end up in hospital and the lives 1% or 2% who die are outweighed by the effect of the other 90% of the population. Do you feel it's reasonable for this to go on for two years? You're essentially asking people to pause their lives, but they are still aging and getting older while this is happening. If an average person lives to be around 80, you're asking people to stay inside and do nothing for two and a half percent of their life if we have a two-year quarantine. I'm not even talking about economics here. I'm thinking of everything from dating to taking your kids places to going to school to losing two summers of camping in national parks, etc. Just the time having to stay inside costs individuals time that they can never get back. So again let's say this goes on for two years in America which has around 330 million people... is it reasonable to ask 297 million people to give up two and a half percent of their life to save 3.3 million from dying and keep another 29.7 million out of hospital? What is the point where the amount of time, which is both finite and unknown in quantity because everyone dies and doesn't know when it will happen, given up by everyone else outweighs the potential deaths?

The state in Australia atm is pretty damning.
-We've already spent or are going to spend $2 trillion dollars.
-They're saying that this level of lockdown (hard, coz everything but vital services are closed), will last 6+ months.
-Non-emergency medical procedures, dental, cancer screenings, non-emergency blood tests are cancelled.
-Pathologists, Nurses, etc, Most of those workers are laid off. https://archive.vn/feVyL
-If you leave your house to do anything they deem non-vital, you'll be fined. Hard. $1600 is the going rate.
-We made a deal with private hospitals to free up ICU beds. Increased country capacity from about 3400 to 7500.
-Domestic violence, sexual abuse, depression/suicide has risen.
-Children are having their whole school year thrown away. High School students told to just deal with it, their end of year exams will be in December "Maybe" and that universities should just postpone the start of the 2021 year.
-Those in jobs still, are still making their usual wages, or in the case of government employees (nurses, doctors, politicians, journalists working for the ABC etc) thought that taking a paycut was not a good idea, instead gave themselves a payrise.
-Everyone who lost their job has been force onto a max of $700 a week. Regardless of what you were earning before.
-There's a freeze on mortgage/rent issues, but only for a period of time and after that period you must start to pay shit back regardless. Oh, you lost your business or it's not allowed to open? Too bad. As the head of one bank said "this isn't free money".

Why?
-We currently have about 90 cases of wuflu in ICU across the whole of Australia. We have 7000+ ICU beds since hobbling the private sector.
-All "victims" of wuflu are the already sick and elderly.
-WERE FLATTENING THE CURVE THO! Maybe... don't be complacent, because if you're complacent then you're a bigot. You're not a bigot are you?
- Liberties and rights aren't important. In fact, less liberties and rights are a good thing. Compassion over economy.

The forecast for the lockdown is as such.
- Going forward, funding for medicare will be reduced. People will die of things that could have been treated previously.
- Increased household debt.
- Inability for an entire generation to own a home, unless they're one of the government's chosen people.
- Cancer cases will sky rocket, because they can't get screened properly now, along with other treatable diseases.
- Supply chains will eventually be fucked.
- We are sitting ducks for the Chinese.

Some measure of lock down is needed, but in Australia we've gone completely overboard and when this shit is over, those who are of the chosen people, will happily chug along, whilst everyone else that they've deemed as "non-vital" are left to pick up the pieces.

They're already saying cafes, pubs, clubs, sports, entertainment will be closed until "Muh vaccine".
South Korea have said that waiting for a vaccine is idiotic and overly optimistic and that treatments and common sense are all that's needed, not massive long-term lock downs.

The language/behaviour in Australia has been beyond draconian. It's been on par with 3rd world dictatorships.
You've got health ministers saying things like "Don't think this will be over anytime soon, you're not going back to normal". "Forget normal". "Saving lives is more important than liberties", "Losing your business is unfortunate, but it can't be helped", "No, we can't take a paycut, that'd be out of line with recommendations".
People are being well behaved atm, because they think it will end soon. When you literally have the PM saying "It's not going to end anytime soon, get over it"....

People are already getting angry now. Even the Labor leader have said what is the point of all this cost for low gain?
They're usually the bleeding hearts. That's disturbing.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

The state in Australia atm is pretty damning.
-We've already spent or are going to spend $2 trillion dollars.
-They're saying that this level of lockdown (hard, coz everything but vital services are closed), will last 6+ months.
-Non-emergency medical procedures, dental, cancer screenings, non-emergency blood tests are cancelled.
-Pathologists, Nurses, etc, Most of those workers are laid off. https://archive.vn/feVyL
-If you leave your house to do anything they deem non-vital, you'll be fined. Hard. $1600 is the going rate.
-We made a deal with private hospitals to free up ICU beds. Increased country capacity from about 3400 to 7500.
-Domestic violence, sexual abuse, depression/suicide has risen.
-Children are having their whole school year thrown away. High School students told to just deal with it, their end of year exams will be in December "Maybe" and that universities should just postpone the start of the 2021 year.
-Those in jobs still, are still making their usual wages, or in the case of government employees (nurses, doctors, politicians, journalists working for the ABC etc) thought that taking a paycut was not a good idea, instead gave themselves a payrise.
-Everyone who lost their job has been force onto a max of $700 a week. Regardless of what you were earning before.
-There's a freeze on mortgage/rent issues, but only for a period of time and after that period you must start to pay shit back regardless. Oh, you lost your business or it's not allowed to open? Too bad. As the head of one bank said "this isn't free money".

Why?
-We currently have about 90 cases of wuflu in ICU across the whole of Australia. We have 7000+ ICU beds since hobbling the private sector.
-All "victims" of wuflu are the already sick and elderly.
-WERE FLATTENING THE CURVE THO! Maybe... don't be complacent, because if you're complacent then you're a bigot. You're not a bigot are you?
- Liberties and rights aren't important. In fact, less liberties and rights are a good thing. Compassion over economy.

The forecast for the lockdown is as such.
- Going forward, funding for medicare will be reduced. People will die of things that could have been treated previously.
- Increased household debt.
- Inability for an entire generation to own a home, unless they're one of the government's chosen people.
- Cancer cases will sky rocket, because they can't get screened properly now, along with other treatable diseases.
- Supply chains will eventually be fucked.
- We are sitting ducks for the Chinese.

Some measure of lock down is needed, but in Australia we've gone completely overboard and when this shit is over, those who are of the chosen people, will happily chug along, whilst everyone else that they've deemed as "non-vital" are left to pick up the pieces.

They're already saying cafes, pubs, clubs, sports, entertainment will be closed until "Muh vaccine".
South Korea have said that waiting for a vaccine is idiotic and overly optimistic and that treatments and common sense are all that's needed, not massive long-term lock downs.

The language/behaviour in Australia has been beyond draconian. It's been on par with 3rd world dictatorships.
You've got health ministers saying things like "Don't think this will be over anytime soon, you're not going back to normal". "Forget normal". "Saving lives is more important than liberties", "Losing your business is unfortunate, but it can't be helped", "No, we can't take a paycut, that'd be out of line with recommendations".
People are being well behaved atm, because they think it will end soon. When you literally have the PM saying "It's not going to end anytime soon, get over it"....

People are already getting angry now. Even the Labor leader have said what is the point of all this cost for low gain?
They're usually the bleeding hearts. That's disturbing.

Preach it man.

I find it so fucking asinine that experts seriously believe people are going to put up with this "new normal" (Anyone who wants this needs to be taken out back..) and having their lives put on hold, and are somehow going to be ok with this for extended periods.

 

[Coconut Gun]

I remember it being like 2 million in the U.S., then 400,000, then 200,000, and the last I saw they revised it to something like 25,000 dead in this country.

Mind linking something that says something to that effect? Getting real tired of only being able to find articles basically telling me to just shoot myself now to get it over with.

 

[It's HK-47]

Mind linking something that says something to that effect? Getting real tired of only being able to find articles basically telling me to just shoot myself now to get it over with.

All of the IMHE models were predicting an enormous spike in their April 1st projections and then similar but smaller ones in their second projection, and then the way that the infection has been spreading now has not even remotely approached the numbers that they were projecting. I've already seen people cropping up to say "Well that's because we've been adhering to social distancing so duh the numbers are smaller!"

That's a fantastic argument but Social Distancing was built into the fucking IMHE models.



This was their best-case scenario and it's not even fucking close.

 

[ditto]

The state in Australia atm is pretty damning.
-We've already spent or are going to spend $2 trillion dollars.
-They're saying that this level of lockdown (hard, coz everything but vital services are closed), will last 6+ months.
-Non-emergency medical procedures, dental, cancer screenings, non-emergency blood tests are cancelled.
-Pathologists, Nurses, etc, Most of those workers are laid off. https://archive.vn/feVyL
-If you leave your house to do anything they deem non-vital, you'll be fined. Hard. $1600 is the going rate.
-We made a deal with private hospitals to free up ICU beds. Increased country capacity from about 3400 to 7500.
-Domestic violence, sexual abuse, depression/suicide has risen.
-Children are having their whole school year thrown away. High School students told to just deal with it, their end of year exams will be in December "Maybe" and that universities should just postpone the start of the 2021 year.
-Those in jobs still, are still making their usual wages, or in the case of government employees (nurses, doctors, politicians, journalists working for the ABC etc) thought that taking a paycut was not a good idea, instead gave themselves a payrise.
-Everyone who lost their job has been force onto a max of $700 a week. Regardless of what you were earning before.
-There's a freeze on mortgage/rent issues, but only for a period of time and after that period you must start to pay shit back regardless. Oh, you lost your business or it's not allowed to open? Too bad. As the head of one bank said "this isn't free money".

Why?
-We currently have about 90 cases of wuflu in ICU across the whole of Australia. We have 7000+ ICU beds since hobbling the private sector.
-All "victims" of wuflu are the already sick and elderly.
-WERE FLATTENING THE CURVE THO! Maybe... don't be complacent, because if you're complacent then you're a bigot. You're not a bigot are you?
- Liberties and rights aren't important. In fact, less liberties and rights are a good thing. Compassion over economy.

The forecast for the lockdown is as such.
- Going forward, funding for medicare will be reduced. People will die of things that could have been treated previously.
- Increased household debt.
- Inability for an entire generation to own a home, unless they're one of the government's chosen people.
- Cancer cases will sky rocket, because they can't get screened properly now, along with other treatable diseases.
- Supply chains will eventually be fucked.
- We are sitting ducks for the Chinese.

Some measure of lock down is needed, but in Australia we've gone completely overboard and when this shit is over, those who are of the chosen people, will happily chug along, whilst everyone else that they've deemed as "non-vital" are left to pick up the pieces.

They're already saying cafes, pubs, clubs, sports, entertainment will be closed until "Muh vaccine".
South Korea have said that waiting for a vaccine is idiotic and overly optimistic and that treatments and common sense are all that's needed, not massive long-term lock downs.

The language/behaviour in Australia has been beyond draconian. It's been on par with 3rd world dictatorships.
You've got health ministers saying things like "Don't think this will be over anytime soon, you're not going back to normal". "Forget normal". "Saving lives is more important than liberties", "Losing your business is unfortunate, but it can't be helped", "No, we can't take a paycut, that'd be out of line with recommendations".
People are being well behaved atm, because they think it will end soon. When you literally have the PM saying "It's not going to end anytime soon, get over it"....

People are already getting angry now. Even the Labor leader have said what is the point of all this cost for low gain?
They're usually the bleeding hearts. That's disturbing.

Every single one of my Australia relatives are now unemployed except for one FIFO miner who said there's has been a breakout at one of the mine sites and is quickly searching for another job.

Australia government response in a nutshell.

 

[heathercho]

Every single one of my Australia relatives are now unemployed except for one FIFO miner who said there's has been a breakout at one of the mine sites and is quickly searching for another job.

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Australia government response in a nutshell.

Exactly, the problem is you have a lot of Australians happy about this. People saying things like "We should ban more things normally". It's so odd.
These are some of the effects atm that are being felt in the Communist Police State of Australia :

-Teens fined $6000 for having 5 people in a hotel room. https://archive.vn/7f7ol
-Some of the things that will get you a fine/are banned (Vic Premier says he'd like to bring in harsher restrictions... harsher restrictions would be house arrest for all) https://archive.vn/vQMM0
-50 DV shelters in Queensland are over capacity https://archive.vn/6XojZ
-Rapes have been on the increase. The MSM didn't go out of their way to report this, but at least 2 women isolating in SA hotels were raped by the same man, he literally went door to door raping women. https://archive.vn/zPp5X
-Oh and to top it off? Now those same wonderful medical experts we have telling us to shut up and stay inside, have also said they want prisoners released. https://archive.vn/PDAw5

To sustain this for 6+ months? No going outside, just stay in your pod, take your $500-700 bug money, get further in debt whilst the new rich caste tell you you're saving lives and how lucky you are you can stay home?

Btw, we have no "young people" dying of this. We have only elderly/sick dying - in line with SK, Japan, Taiwan, HK.

Also, our ICU numbers have fallen even more. 88 nationwide in ICU. OH NO! Quick, throw another $2billion on the fire!

 

[spiritofamermaid]

So do they have Chemistry and other courses that pretty much require labs/in person meetings listed?

My labs will be done online. If people are interested I can talk about them during the semester, but I'm unsure if there's any interest for it.

 

[MediocreMilt]

My labs will be done online. If people are interested I can talk about them during the semester, but I'm unsure if there's any interest for it.

For a chem class?

All I can think when I hear all-online college is that at some point we need a next generation of chemists (including to fight this virus and other dread diseases).

Is it actually possible to teach them how to safely work with hazardous materials in an online course?

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Not yet mandatory, but 2 counties in NY are "requesting" people shop on designated days. I thought we were at the top of the curve?

Madison County joins Onondaga in asking residents to alternate days they go out

Residents are requested to go out only 3-4 days per week, depending on birth year.

www.syracuse.com

Onondaga County calls for voluntary ‘shelter in place,’ shuts golf courses

Onondaga County Executive Ryan McMahon is asking people to run errands and visit county parks on alternate days for next two weeks.

www.syracuse.com

Now we need more sacrifice,” he said. “We can only win if we’re doing this together.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Not yet mandatory, but 2 counties in NY are "requesting" people shop on designated days. I thought we were at the top of the curve?

Madison County joins Onondaga in asking residents to alternate days they go out

Residents are requested to go out only 3-4 days per week, depending on birth year.

www.syracuse.com

Onondaga County calls for voluntary ‘shelter in place,’ shuts golf courses

Onondaga County Executive Ryan McMahon is asking people to run errands and visit county parks on alternate days for next two weeks.

www.syracuse.com

I knew that was coming watch that idiot Big Bird looking NYC mayor do the same

 

[Kornheiser]

Exactly, the problem is you have a lot of Australians happy about this. People saying things like "We should ban more things normally". It's so odd.
These are some of the effects atm that are being felt in the Communist Police State of Australia :

-Teens fined $6000 for having 5 people in a hotel room. https://archive.vn/7f7ol
-Some of the things that will get you a fine/are banned (Vic Premier says he'd like to bring in harsher restrictions... harsher restrictions would be house arrest for all) https://archive.vn/vQMM0
-50 DV shelters in Queensland are over capacity https://archive.vn/6XojZ
-Rapes have been on the increase. The MSM didn't go out of their way to report this, but at least 2 women isolating in SA hotels were raped by the same man, he literally went door to door raping women. https://archive.vn/zPp5X
-Oh and to top it off? Now those same wonderful medical experts we have telling us to shut up and stay inside, have also said they want prisoners released. https://archive.vn/PDAw5

To sustain this for 6+ months? No going outside, just stay in your pod, take your $500-700 bug money, get further in debt whilst the new rich caste tell you you're saving lives and how lucky you are you can stay home?

Btw, we have no "young people" dying of this. We have only elderly/sick dying - in line with SK, Japan, Taiwan, HK.

Also, our ICU numbers have fallen even more. 88 nationwide in ICU. OH NO! Quick, throw another $2billion on the fire!

So why does Australia want to do these measures? Why is freedom regarded as a bad thing? Is it the Chinese influence?

 

[Never Scored]

The state in Australia atm is pretty damning.
-We've already spent or are going to spend $2 trillion dollars.
-They're saying that this level of lockdown (hard, coz everything but vital services are closed), will last 6+ months.
-Non-emergency medical procedures, dental, cancer screenings, non-emergency blood tests are cancelled.
-Pathologists, Nurses, etc, Most of those workers are laid off. https://archive.vn/feVyL
-If you leave your house to do anything they deem non-vital, you'll be fined. Hard. $1600 is the going rate.
-We made a deal with private hospitals to free up ICU beds. Increased country capacity from about 3400 to 7500.
-Domestic violence, sexual abuse, depression/suicide has risen.
-Children are having their whole school year thrown away. High School students told to just deal with it, their end of year exams will be in December "Maybe" and that universities should just postpone the start of the 2021 year.
-Those in jobs still, are still making their usual wages, or in the case of government employees (nurses, doctors, politicians, journalists working for the ABC etc) thought that taking a paycut was not a good idea, instead gave themselves a payrise.
-Everyone who lost their job has been force onto a max of $700 a week. Regardless of what you were earning before.
-There's a freeze on mortgage/rent issues, but only for a period of time and after that period you must start to pay shit back regardless. Oh, you lost your business or it's not allowed to open? Too bad. As the head of one bank said "this isn't free money".

Why?
-We currently have about 90 cases of wuflu in ICU across the whole of Australia. We have 7000+ ICU beds since hobbling the private sector.
-All "victims" of wuflu are the already sick and elderly.
-WERE FLATTENING THE CURVE THO! Maybe... don't be complacent, because if you're complacent then you're a bigot. You're not a bigot are you?
- Liberties and rights aren't important. In fact, less liberties and rights are a good thing. Compassion over economy.

The forecast for the lockdown is as such.
- Going forward, funding for medicare will be reduced. People will die of things that could have been treated previously.
- Increased household debt.
- Inability for an entire generation to own a home, unless they're one of the government's chosen people.
- Cancer cases will sky rocket, because they can't get screened properly now, along with other treatable diseases.
- Supply chains will eventually be fucked.
- We are sitting ducks for the Chinese.

Some measure of lock down is needed, but in Australia we've gone completely overboard and when this shit is over, those who are of the chosen people, will happily chug along, whilst everyone else that they've deemed as "non-vital" are left to pick up the pieces.

They're already saying cafes, pubs, clubs, sports, entertainment will be closed until "Muh vaccine".
South Korea have said that waiting for a vaccine is idiotic and overly optimistic and that treatments and common sense are all that's needed, not massive long-term lock downs.

The language/behaviour in Australia has been beyond draconian. It's been on par with 3rd world dictatorships.
You've got health ministers saying things like "Don't think this will be over anytime soon, you're not going back to normal". "Forget normal". "Saving lives is more important than liberties", "Losing your business is unfortunate, but it can't be helped", "No, we can't take a paycut, that'd be out of line with recommendations".
People are being well behaved atm, because they think it will end soon. When you literally have the PM saying "It's not going to end anytime soon, get over it"....

People are already getting angry now. Even the Labor leader have said what is the point of all this cost for low gain?
They're usually the bleeding hearts. That's disturbing.

Yeah, I mean I'd understand, "We're closing, schools sit-down restaurants & non-essential retail, banning gatherings of more than 10 and encouraging the social distancing stuff and hand washing so the health system can keep up with the spread." But the, "You can't get in your car and just go for a drive" stuff is a real head scratcher. My biggest issue is how open ended they're leaving everything. This is not sustainable long-term and governments know it. I'm pretty sure the plan is that everyone is actually going to get the virus, they're just trying to keep healthcare capacity ahead of it, and they're going to lift some rules once herd immunity starts to take effect. They're not telling people that because they've made everyone so shit their pants scared of the virus in order to get people to obey the lock down, people will panic if you tell them they're most likely going to get the virus at some point over the next few months.

And that scaring the shit out of people in the interest of getting young people to obey the lock down really drives me around the bend.

If you look at the stats if you are relatively young and healthy you are not going to die. Look at these numbers from New York. (I know, I know muh hospitalizations, but those numbers are harder to find):
-4,758 deaths. Of those 4,089 had at least one chronic health condition.
-63% of deaths over 70.
-Only 7% or 333 under 40. They don't disclose the number of these that had chronic health issues in the linked article.
-55% of people who died had high blood pressure.
-37% had diabetes.

This primarily kills old and fat people. Do some young healthy people die? I'm sure they do, but in the vast majority of cases if you're young and reasonably healthy you are not going to die.

It's also worth noting that most jurisdictions such as the United States only test people who are sick. Numbers out of places like Iceland and Germany where more extensive testing is carried out seem to indicate a large percentage of people who contract the virus do not suffer any symptoms at all and they never get counted toward the totals in countries like the US.

If you are under 40 and healthy and you are towing the government line because you think this is going to kill you, you are fucking dumb. The government and media are trying to scare you into compliance to save older, sicker people who they don't have the resources to take care of and they won't be honest with you about it because they are scared you won't take any precautions and will spread the virus.

Again, I don't necessarily disagree with some sort of reasonable lock down. I disagree with rules that say I can't go for a drive or a hike, activities where I don't have to interact with anyone else, but closing sitdown restaurants, temporarily shutting down international travel, closing schools until the fall and mandatory isolation if you're sick or have been in contact with a sick person? OK, that makes sense to me.

I disagree with acting as though putting these measures in place indefinitely is realistic and wouldn't be worse for most members of society than the virus itself.

I disagree with being dishonest with people about what the endgame is here. If you are reading this you are most likely getting the virus and you will most likely not die or even have to be hospitalized.

 

[spiritofamermaid]

For a chem class?

All I can think when I hear all-online college is that at some point we need a next generation of chemists (including to fight this virus and other dread diseases).

Is it actually possible to teach them how to safely work with hazardous materials in an online course?

Mine personally is a physics lab but I assume it's the same for chemistry as well, since all summer classes are online.

 

[mothman96]

This is what's bothering me. Lately I've seen TV commercials saying we are "living the new normal". Because of the virus, we are being kept in our homes, and go out when the powers that be say it's "allowable". Many are being threatened with fines/jail time. Is it expected for this way of "life" to continue till we become conditioned to see it as "normal".

 

[deeplyhigh]

Many are being threatened with fines/jail time. Is it expected for this way of "life" to continue till we become conditioned to see it as "normal".

This is precisely what I’ve feared the most since things started heating up and people close to me have said I’m paranoid. The powers that be aren’t giving up these controls now that they have them.

 

[PepsiVanilla]

This is what's bothering me. Lately I've seen TV commercials saying we are "living the new normal". Because of the virus, we are being kept in our homes, and go out when the powers that be say it's "allowable". Many are being threatened with fines/jail time. Is it expected for this way of "life" to continue till we become conditioned to see it as "normal".

I haven't seen a commercial mentioning "the new normal" yet, but then again I haven't been watching TV. However my company (that's making everyone except managers work from home) sent out an email referring to it and saying this appears to be the situation "for the foreseeable future."

Since the kind of work I'm doing was always 100% over the internet it makes no difference whether I do it from home or the office. So for jobs like that at least, I wonder how long companies will opt to keep everything WFH. For all we know it could be well into next year.