2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Syaoran Li]

I want Biden to win so both the Woketards I hate will get politically curbstomped into the dirt and Rightards will go full BDS despite smugly mocking TDS for the past 4 years.

Think of the salt the delicious salt.

As entertaining as that would be, a global pandemic is not the best time to elect a sex pest geezer with senile dementia into the nation's highest office.

Even if you don't approve of how Trump is dealing with COVID-19, he's still more reliable than a literal dementia patient in these desperate times.

The last things you want to hear in a State of Emergency address are "Corn Pop", "Who are you people and where's my horse?", "Nineteen Dickety-Two", or "Each Matlock might be our last!"

 

[Pickle Dick]

stop sperging about everything in my innocent thread guys ; - (

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Its gonna be hilarious if Trump wins 271/269

 

[FunPosting101]

I want Biden to win so both the Woketards I hate will get politically curbstomped into the dirt and Rightards will go full BDS despite smugly mocking TDS for the past 4 years.

Think of the salt the delicious salt.

That's not worth having a senile old man in office, nor is it worth having someone like Bitch Boy Beto in charge of a new gun control push. Besides, we already know what conservatives act like when they get pissed off, the Obama administration was highly instructive on the matter.

 

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Yo. Joe Mama about to get smoked in the election, son. "I'm not going nuts." Hahahaha.

Is this a real one?

 

[Jub-Jub]

They are just handing it to Trump. This is in response to the 250b small business relief bill

"No data"

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Trump is a compulsive liar and anyone who still supports him is literally exceptional or just an asshole.

Your posts in here are a great example of the kind of smug no-self-awareness bullshit TDS-sufferers usually spew in their attempts to feel intellectually and morally superior, to the point of outright attacking their strawmen of Trump supporters while supporting candidates who are mentally disintegrating because Orange Man Bad.

I want to tackle this post in particular:

Corporations only get taxed on profits, not overall income. The whole "tax cuts help businesses stay open" is incredibly wrong. Besides, didn't you right wingers get all assmad about the national debt under Obama? What do you think helps bring that debt down? Hint: Taxes

1. What precisely separates "profits" from "overall income" concerning business taxes? What makes the difference meaningful enough to state that businesses "only" get taxed on profits and not overall income (itself a point of serious contention, if not outright false since the income tax applies to businesses as well)?

2. "The whole "tax cuts help businesses stay open" is incredibly wrong." Okay, why? You state these things without explaining them. Shouldn't it be rather self-evident that a business that has to pay less taxes has more money to sustain itself?

3. "Besides, didn't you right wingers get all assmad about the national debt under Obama?" The same way you are getting all assmad about supposed pro-rich favoritism and anti-environmentalism from Trump? Besides, why are you assuming that anyone who argues against you is a "right winger"?

4. "What do you think helps bring that debt down? Hint: Taxes" Taxes on what? Taxes on whom? I can only assume you want higher taxes, so to whom and what do you want the higher taxes to apply to?

Once you define who and what you want to have to face higher taxes, give us a mathematical reason why that would make more than an infinitesimal budge against the US's multi-trillion dollar debt.

 

[Pickle Dick]

Democrats want to drop Joe Biden for Andrew Cuomo, poll finds

A majority of Democrats want to nominate New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo for president instead of Joe Biden, according to poll results shared exclusively with The Post. The national poll found 56 percen…

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lol, good to see that you have so much faith in your nominee that you already want to replace them

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Your posts in here are a great example of the kind of smug no-self-awareness bullshit TDS-sufferers usually spew in their attempts to feel intellectually and morally superior, to the point of outright attacking their strawmen of Trump supporters while supporting candidates who are mentally disintegrating because Orange Man Bad.

I want to tackle this post in particular:

1. What precisely separates "profits" from "overall income" concerning business taxes? What makes the difference meaningful enough to state that businesses "only" get taxed on profits and not overall income (itself a point of serious contention, if not outright false since the income tax applies to businesses as well)?

2. "The whole "tax cuts help businesses stay open" is incredibly wrong." Okay, why? You state these things without explaining them. Shouldn't it be rather self-evident that a business that has to pay less taxes has more money to sustain itself?

3. "Besides, didn't you right wingers get all assmad about the national debt under Obama?" The same way you are getting all assmad about supposed pro-rich favoritism and anti-environmentalism from Trump? Besides, why are you assuming that anyone who argues against you is a "right winger"?

4. "What do you think helps bring that debt down? Hint: Taxes" Taxes on what? Taxes on whom? I can only assume you want higher taxes, so to whom and what do you want the higher taxes to apply to?

Once you define who and what you want to have to face higher taxes, give us a mathematical reason why that would make more than an infinitesimal budge against the US's multi-trillion dollar debt.

1. If a business takes in $1 billion, but their operating expenses are $500 million (including payroll, etc...), then they only get taxed on the $500 million profit. You know this, don't act obtuse.

2. Corporations were using their tax cut benefits to do stock buyback programs. You really think those businesses were in danger of shutting down if it weren't for the tax cut?

3. Anyone who still supports Trump is definitely a right-winger.

4. Taxes bring that debt down. What else do you think brings it down? A tax cut does nothing but increase the debt.

 

[Syaoran Li]

3. Anyone who still supports Trump is definitely a right-winger.

Eh, given the specific situation we're in, I could see non-right wing people such as centrists or moderately liberal people holding their nose and begrudgingly supporting Trump over a frail dementia patient like Joe Biden. I'm mainly voting for Trump despite my status as a moderate Blue Dog Democrat burnout. He's the least bad of several very bad options. I like Trump a lot more than I did in 2016 or 2017, but he has a lot of isues of his own and I'm not a straight-ticket Trumper or GOP partisan voter either.

Unless Biden gets someone who is strong and charismatic with a proven record for his VP, a lot of non-rightist or non-leftist people will either stay home completely or reluctantly vote for Trump in 2020 solely because of Biden's instability depending on the particular districts they live in. Biden is not the right candidate for the Dems to run at a time like this, but he's really all they have left at the moment.

When Joe Biden was Obama's VP, his gaffes weren't that much of an issue since VP is normally a largely powerless office and he wasn't going senile back then. Most of Biden's gaffes before 2019 were more in line with typical Boomer hot takes that just came off as awkward. Now he's basically Grandpa Simpson with severe Alzheimer's.

The "Vote Blue No Matter Who" is a fairly small but vocal minority, especially outside a few demographics like black Americans, LGBT individuals, and wine-swilling yuppie Karens.

Of those three groups, only the third group will actually stick to that rhetoric en masse during this global pandemic. The rest will just stay home and wait for 2024 or the 2022 midterms with Biden on the ticket for 2020 (barring a good VP pick) although if it weren't for COVID-19 and Biden's obvious health issues, the black voter turnout would be fairly strong for him since he got a lot of support from that community during the primaries.

From my admittedly anecdotal observations, there's a lot of moderates who might quietly and reluctantly vote for Trump (if they vote at all) during this crisis instead of Biden but won't talk about it on social media or otherwise make their vote public. For them, a vote for Trump is sort of a "better the Devil you know" scenario.

Now, Trump could handle the COVID-19 pandemic a lot better than he has and his braggart antics are inappropriate, but really everyone seems to have a firm grasp on the idiot ball in this pandemic it seems. And this idiocy is found at the state, federal, and global levels across the board.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

1. If a business takes in $1 billion, but their operating expenses are $500 million (including payroll, etc...), then they only get taxed on the $500 million profit. You know this, don't act obtuse.

2. Corporations were using their tax cut benefits to do stock buyback programs. You really think those businesses were in danger of shutting down if it weren't for the tax cut?

3. Anyone who still supports Trump is definitely a right-winger.

4. Taxes bring that debt down. What else do you think brings it down? A tax cut does nothing but increase the debt.

1. Then that $1 billion would be revenue, not "overall income". Overall income would be deducting other expenses (such as dividends) from that $500 million.

2. Not necessarily, but then again not every business is a big corporation that can do that sort of thing. Small businesses exist too, and they're the ones that benefit most from these tax cuts.

3. Or they could be a centrist, right-leaning centrist, a left-leaning centrist or liberal disaffected with the Democrats, etc. Just ask @Adamska or @Alec Benson Leary.

This "left-wing Trump opponent vs right-wing Trump supporter" dichotomy you're currently pushing is a completely false one, and the fact that you're pushing it at all is likely a sign that you live in a bubble.

4. How? What mathematical reason (which you still haven't given) is there for higher taxes being able meaningfully "bring debt down"? You still haven't given the scope that these higher taxes should have (who and what they should apply to)? What should be the percentage range? Hell, you seem to be deliberately evasive on this in general, although it looks like you just want higher taxes in some nebulously "high enough" and "wide enough" form to "bring down the debt".

Even if we didn't just tax, but just took all of the supposed approximately $1.9 trillion that the big megacorps collectively have, and applied all of that to "bringing the debt down", we would still have around $22.1 trillion dollars in debt.

You wanna know how to fix the debt crisis? Audit the Federal Reserve Banking System.

 

[General Disarray]

The "Vote Blue No Matter Who" is a fairly small but vocal minority, especially outside a few demographics like black Americans, LGBT individuals, and wine-swilling yuppie Karens. Of those three groups, only the third group will actually stick to that rhetoric en masse during this global pandemic. The rest will just stay home and wait for 2024 or the 2022 midterms with Biden on the ticket for 2020 (barring a good VP pick) although if it weren't for COVID-19 and Biden's obvious health issues, the black voter turnout would be fairly strong for him since he got a lot of support from that community during the primaries.

If the lines for the vote this last Tuesday in Milwaukee with only five polling places open in the city were any indication (and the interviews with random masked African-Americans to boot), voting is ingrained in that demographic, it's been indoctrinated into their minds since they were born, and they WILL turn out to support blue.
eta: they're really pushing for all mail-in voting for the rest of the year in the state. No witness signatures or ID required.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

1. Then that $1 billion would be revenue, not "overall income". Overall income would be deducting other expenses (such as dividends) from that $500 million.

2. Not necessarily, but then again not every business is a big corporation that can do that sort of thing. Small businesses exist too, and they're the ones that benefit most from these tax cuts.

3. Or they could be a centrist, right-leaning centrist, a left-leaning centrist or liberal disaffected with the Democrats, etc. Just ask @Adamska or @Alec Benson Leary.

This "left-wing Trump opponent vs right-wing Trump supporter" dichotomy you're currently pushing is a completely false one, and the fact that you're pushing it at all is likely a sign that you live in a bubble.

4. How? What mathematical reason (which you still haven't given) is there for higher taxes being able meaningfully "bring debt down"? You still haven't given the scope that these higher taxes should have (who and what they should apply to)? What should be the percentage range? Hell, you seem to be deliberately evasive on this in general, although it looks like you just want higher taxes in some nebulously "high enough" and "wide enough" form to "bring down the debt".

Even if we didn't just tax, but just took all of the supposed approximately $1.9 trillion that the big megacorps collectively have, and applied all of that to "bringing the debt down", we would still have around $22.1 trillion dollars in debt.

You wanna know how to fix the debt crisis? Audit the Federal Reserve Banking System.

You are really autistic (or being obtuse) enough to not realize that taxes help bring down the national debt? How the fuck do you think the nation brings in money? It's not like we are going to kill the debt over night, but you gotta pay for the spending that goes on. That is paid for by taxes. There was no reason to cut taxes on the rich and corporations. It's not even like our economy was doing badly at the time, either.

Get Trump's dick out of your mouth for a few minutes and look at yourself. I used to be a hardcore right-winger, too. Then, I entered the real world and saw how that kind of worldview ends up fucking people over.

 

[heyitsmike]

Yeah, but my point is that in most cases I feel as if the U.S. influences and takes part in wars and territorial conflicts it really doesn't need to get into. Why should we have a say in the Israel-Palestine conflict when it has no affect on personally? Why should we get in the middle of the middle east? I'm an isolationist type of guy when it comes to war and I think staying out of conflicts we don't really need to get into saves money, saves lives, on everything that the military spends on from travel, arsenal, healthcare, maternity leave, food supply, shelter, equipment, clothing, and all of the other stuff in-between. The military probably wouldn't be so underfunded if our military wasn't fucking everywhere.

This is not a problem I have with Tramp exclusively. It's a problem I have with the course of American history from the time of Vietnam when Johnson got us into that to now with this fucking War on Terror. Tramp just hasn't done anything to be more isolationist. His vehement stance on immigration as well as the Wall and the deportations is a step in the right direction, I'd say. No one other president has enforced the idea of borders as much as he. Basically, on the stance of the military, I take the StoneToss approach:

Spoiler: Comic

I think a lot of US intervention is kind of a subliminal need to act as the adult in the room because that's what everyone expects us because of our role as guarantor of peace in the world. Like last year when Turkey starting acting up. You started to hear the 'Someone needs to do something!' 'Well I guess that's us?' Fortunately though Trump kept us out.

It happens with people too. You can imagine a new teacher in her first year. She feels she's supposed to be the adult in the room and be serious and stoic and formal. So she tries to do that and is strict and no nonsense. And all the kids hate it and she hates it too. When in reality she's actually closer to Ms. Frizzle and if she'd just do that she'd be happier and her students would be happier too. But that pressure to act a certain way is super powerful and everyone is worse off for it.

For so long the US has felt the pressure to be the adult in the room that until recently it couldn't resist the urge.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

You are really autistic (or being obtuse) enough to not realize that taxes help bring down the national debt? How the fuck do you think the nation brings in money? It's not like we are going to kill the debt over night, but you gotta pay for the spending that goes on. That is paid for by taxes. There was no reason to cut taxes on the rich and corporations. It's not even like our economy was doing badly at the time, either.

Get Trump's dick out of your mouth for a few minutes and look at yourself. I used to be a hardcore right-winger, too. Then, I entered the real world and saw how that kind of worldview ends up fucking people over.

Stop being exceptional

 

[Pickle Dick]

omfg stop arguing about budgets and stuff you spergs

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

You are really autistic (or being obtuse) enough to not realize that taxes help bring down the national debt? How the fuck do you think the nation brings in money?

Taxes won't bring down the national debt in any way that it's meaningful. They'll barely make a dent at the absolute most, as I just showed you. You won't fix the national debt by just taking money from people.

It's not like we are going to kill the debt over night, but you gotta pay for the spending that goes on. That is paid for by taxes.

They won't even pay for the multi-trillion dollar spending that's going on right now.

You're still going on about "muh taxes" when you haven't even specified how those taxes will work.

There was no reason to cut taxes on the rich and corporations. It's not even like our economy was doing badly at the time, either.

Trump didn't cut taxes on the rich and corporations. Trump cut taxes on everybody, as @TowinKarz would most certainly attest. The fact that the rich and corporations benefit more is an unavoidable aftereffect of that.

Get Trump's dick out of your mouth for a few minutes and look at yourself.

And now we've devolved into "you're a Trump dicksucker" territory from a man who'd vote for a dementia patient out of sheer political tribalism.

Like I said, complete lack of self-awareness.

I used to be a hardcore right-winger, too. Then, I entered the real world and saw how that kind of worldview ends up fucking people over.

This sounds more like some redditor "lifelong republican turned democrat" storytelling than anything of import. Although given your fedoraposting in the latest CatParty patheos thread, I'd say that sudden political epiphany came more as spite against your parents than anything meaningful.

And two can play at this game. I used to be a solid Democrat in the state of California, then I started taking notice of things during my regular walks, and saw how many homeless camps, homeless people, and trash were strewn around my state. My state, a Democrat stronghold, seemed incapable of dealing with those things.

omfg stop arguing about budgets and stuff you spergs

Isn't budgeting an important part of politics?

 

[TowinKarz]

Taxes won't bring down the national debt in any way that it's meaningful. They'll barely make a dent at the absolute most, as I just showed you. You won't fix the national debt by just taking money from people.

They won't even pay for the multi-trillion dollar spending that's going on right now.

The governmetn could, nay, should, also SPEND LESS

Why is it that when times get tough, the average citizen is expected to tighten their belt, but the government gets even MORE entitled to spend?

There's trillions of fat that should be cut, useless programs and overseas aid, bloated bureaucracies, grants to already-wealthy institutions and so on that should be cut before the idea of taxes even enters into it.

The Government should never make this odd demand that they can spend whatever they want, its up to US to "do our duty" and make enough money to fund it (or just have it ripped out anyway) I really want to see Trump in 2021 go on a massive slash-and-burn of this wasteful national apparatus, the disconnect between government spending and the negative effects of deficit are really puzzling. "We're TRILLIONS in debt!" they say, "Well, can't you just, stop spending on stupid shit? Cut some programs?" we ask, and they look at us funny....

It's like a broke person trying to finance a car..... You make $300 a month on a part time job, how do you expect to pay a $500 a month loan?

"But I NEED a car to get to work!" they say.

Okay, but need doesn't make the cash for it suddenly appear... how are you going to pay for it?

And they just whine about how unfair it is they can't have a car.

That doesn't make it fair to give ME the bill for no other reason than I can pay instead......




That's the government today... we NEED these programs! But how will you pay for them? SHUT UP! WE NEED THEM!!!

That's what killed every Dem candidate this time around and the EU right now....15 years of globalist contraction of first-world middle-classes means people finally being stretched to the point where they have no more to give, and the government responding by either demanding they pay anyway (EU) or just figuring they'll spend anyway, and spend and spend and spend until the repo man shows up. And when he does, they'll yell at him to go harass some rich people because that's the morally "right" thing to do (Bernie)

That's no way to run a railroad, my friend.

 

[Syaoran Li]

If the lines for the vote this last Tuesday in Milwaukee with only five polling places open in the city were any indication (and the interviews with random masked African-Americans to boot), voting is ingrained in that demographic, it's been indoctrinated into their minds since they were born, and they WILL turn out to support blue.
eta: they're really pushing for all mail-in voting for the rest of the year in the state. No witness signatures or ID required.

Here's the thing, the African-American vote will largely trend Democratic no matter what, but different states do their mail-in votes in different ways. Depending on Biden's VP pick, the black voter turnout could be very high in some states and very low in others depending on that state's early voting laws.

Unless the pandemic very obviously burns itself out completely by the start of November, I think we're going to get a low black voter turnout and probably a low voter turnout in general. I don't think the black community will ever trend to the GOP, but unless Biden has a really strong VP pick, I think a lot of people will just stay home instead of voting for Biden.

Biden's a weak candidate in 2020, and unless the pandemic gets even worse than it is now or Biden gets a really good VP, I'd say the majority of the centrists and center-left people will probably accept four more years of Trump as opposed to Biden. I don't think they'll vote for Trump en masse. Like I said earlier, they'll mostly stay home and sit this one out.

There's also going to be a lot of pissed leftists who won't vote for Biden and will definitely stay home, although some might vote for the Greens, or write in Bernie Sanders.

Even before COVID-19 became an issue, it's pretty obvious that the outcome of 2020 is going to come down entirely to the level of voter turnout and who can keep their base energized enough, and the deck is very much stacked against Sleepy Joe right now, even with the pandemic.

 

[Not Really Here]

Are you mofos ready for the second meme war?

Spoiler: Shots fired

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