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TaimuRadiu said:
Yeah, and those are usually people with some underlying health conditions anyway, like asthma, diabetes, and obesity.
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Nope. Plenty of perfectly healthy people without underlying conditions are needing ICU visits, too. I know a guy who runs marathons, no underlying condition, is 33 years old and he had to get on a ventilator.

Also, your parents are probably boomers. And most of your lord and savior Trump's supporters are boomers. Without them, he would never have gotten elected
 
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TaimuRadiu said:
so are you for or against adjustment day
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It should be more. A one-time payment of $1200 isn't going to do much in the long term.

However, I ain't getting a cent from it (income too high last year).

And I don't hate everything Trump has done, but for the most part he's an incompetent boob and anyone who supports him is either a redneck, college-aged male who doesn't understand how the real world works, a boomer, or mentally handicapped.
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
It should be more. A one-time payment of $1200 isn't going to do much in the long term.

However, I ain't getting a cent from it (income too high last year).

And I don't hate everything Trump has done, but for the most part he's an incompetent boob and anyone who supports him is either a redneck, college-aged male who doesn't understand how the real world works, a boomer, or mentally handicapped.
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I was referring to the plot of Adjustment Day by Chuck Palahniuk, and your poasting made me think that you were in favor of this ultimate solution to the boomer question

(also yang was right with UBI)
 
Fwiffo said:
Canadian system: you’ll get your treatment in six months

(Current) American system: No insurance? Can’t remortgage your house? Lol ok nice knowing you poorfag
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There is an entire study about the rate of mortality rates in Canada due to the waiting lists: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/effect-of-wait-times-on-mortality-in-canada.pdf

I'm not going to summarize it as it's an interesting read and I want to encourage people to look at the information.

In 2018 the NHS finally admitted that they were facing a crisis where they flat out were unable to treat patients: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/world/europe/uk-national-health-service.html

More interesting stuff from the Fraser Institute: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/while-politicians-dither-patients-die

Sadly, their stories are not isolated cases. In a recent study, Nadeem Esmail, Taylor Jackson and I investigated whether the changes (mostly increases) in wait times between 1993 and 2009 had any impact on mortality rates. After controlling for relevant factors (physicians, health expenditures, age, Gross Domestic Product, inequality, and gender), we found that there was, indeed, a statistically significant relationship between wait times and the incidents of female deaths.

Specifically, after crunching the numbers we estimated between 25,456 and 63,090 Canadian women may have died as a result of increased wait times during this period. Large as this number is, it doesn’t even begin to quantify the possibility of increased disability and poorer quality of life as a result of protracted wait times.

Clearly, wait times may have serious consequences for some patients. It is inhumane and immoral to force these patients to choose between long waits in the public system (risking their health and well-being) and leaving their homeland (and families) to seek treatment elsewhere.
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From The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/27/nhs-deaths-mental-health-patients-england

England’s 54 specialist mental health trusts have been told to start looking into every death in an effort to learn from mistakes.

In future they should more fully investigate cases in which the patient may have received poor or unsafe care, especially if they had bipolar disorder or an eating disorder.

The first guidance to trusts on the subject has been drawn up by the Royal College of Psychiatrists and is being backed by NHS England. It is meant to end the existing ad hoc system whereby different trusts examine smaller or larger numbers of deaths...

Mental health trusts’ failure to look into patients’ deaths became an issue in 2015 when it emerged that Southern health trust had not examined the death of about 1,000 patients with autism or learning disabilities.

Its failures were highlighted by the poor care it gave to Connor Sparrowhawk, an 18-year-old with epilepsy and autism, who drowned in a bath in the trust’s Slade House facility in Oxford in 2013 after his doctor made 39 different errors.
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And then of course there's the tragic story Ann Clywd, an MP whose husband was abandoned by NHS medical staff so that he could die in pain and untreated: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/welsh-mp-whose-husband-died-14869911

Cynon Valley MP Ann Clwyd made headlines in 2012 when she claimed her husband died in “battery hen” conditions at the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff.

The veteran MP claims that a “cover-up mentality” is “all-pervasive” at the health board and pledged to continue her “battle” to get answers.

She said: “I knew that the NHS did not treat its complainants well, but I did not expect to be here still looking for answers nearly six years later.”

In 2014 an investigation did not uphold the majority of her allegations but the Labour MP accused the Cardiff and Vale University Health Board of a “dismissive, insulting and gratuitous attitude” towards the families of loved one.

Speaking in the House of Commons, she described the finals days of her husband, Owen Roberts, and said more than 4,500 people had written to her to share their experiences of the NHS complaints system.

A spokeswoman for the health board said: “We have met with Ms Clwyd on a number of occasions and feel that we have made every effort to address in full all the concerns she has raised and shared with her all actions we have taken to address her concerns.”
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So what is the point of all this autistic newspaper linking?

To make a point: that no healthcare system is perfect. People are routinely abandoned and left to die in universal healthcare nations. Rationing doctor care and enforcing waiting times cause deaths.

Does that make universal healthcare a completely bad thing? No. I think there's a lot the US could learn from universal healthcare.

But whining about how the US doesn't "treat patients" for being poor (which is false, Medicaid is there for a reason and there are plenty of state medical welfare programs) and how this supposedly makes universal healthcare "better" when patients routinely die thanks to inexcusable errors on behalf of the state, is absolutely farcical.

And, oh yeah...Finland's government collapsed in 2019 because they couldn't figure out how to fund their universal healthcare system. Turns out they're running out of money: https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/...sal-health-care-costs-bernie2020-hardest-hit/

Finland has long been touted by American socialists as the socialist Nirvana, where everything is free and everyone is happy, happy, happy. Sadly, fiscal reality hit Finland’s government as it collapsed Friday due to the rising costs of its universal health care.

The warning signs were on the wall last spring when Finland, as Leslie noted, ended its experiment with “universal basic income.”

Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who has been hanging his socialist mantle on the “success” of Finland’s socialist structure, may be the hardest hit.

The Washington Free Beacon reports:

"The government of Finland collapsed Friday due to the rising cost of universal health care and the prime minister’s failure to enact reforms to the system.

Prime Minister Juha Sipila and the rest of the cabinet resigned after the governing coalition failed to pass reforms in parliament to the country’s regional government and health services, the Wall Street Journal reports. Finland faces an aging population, with around 26 percent of its citizens expected to be over 65 by the year 2030, an increase of 5 percent from today."

It’s not just Finland experiencing such problems with its socialist policies. Other Nordic countries, also touted by American socialists and communists as the model America should follow, are suffering similar economic burdens directly related to their socialist policies.
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Here's a real galaxybrain: maybe there isn't a perfect healthcare system and maybe getting medical treatment will always be fucking shit.
 
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haurchefant said:
whining about how the US doesn't "treat patients" for being poor (which is false, Medicaid is there for a reason and there are plenty of state medical welfare programs)
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I mean obviously welfare queens can get free healthcare. It's just the working poor without 'insurance' ('insurance' is supposed to be for catastrophic problems, not routine medical events like 'having a baby') who will lose everything if they need to access it. Of course, few in the American political system even pretend to care about those people.
 
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According to Facebook friends, it's Obama's fault the Trump administration hasn't replenished the supply of N95 Masks in the last three years. :story: Apparently, the supply was very low before Trump was elected, therefore, it's Obama's fault.
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The same way you can't credit Obama for the economy at this point, you can't blame him for dumb shit like this.
 
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Oh also because China completely and totally fucked everyone over with how they handled the situation, that somehow means it's China's fault that the Trump administration's response to the outbreak has been mediocre at best.

To be very clear: China is a shit country that cannot be trusted and should be castigated for this, but they aren't the ones who made the US government (and many local governments including Bill “New Yorkers should know the risk to residents of the city is low" De Blasio) ignore most medical professionals.
 
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3119967d0c said:
I mean obviously welfare queens can get free healthcare. It's just the working poor without 'insurance' ('insurance' is supposed to be for catastrophic problems, not routine medical events like 'having a baby') who will lose everything if they need to access it. Of course, few in the American political system even pretend to care about those people.
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The fun thing about our social safety net in the US is the perverse incentives.

You will basically never be able to get on Medicaid in FL unless you have a kid. And you'll likely get kicked off if you get married (because the income limits are low and it's based on household income)

so then people wonder why we have so many single mothers or why most deliveries are covered by Medicaid. Or why women come to the emergency department looking for a pregnancy test.

The world may never know.
 
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eternal dog mongler said:
The fun thing about our social safety net in the US is the perverse incentives.

You will basically never be able to get on Medicaid in FL unless you have a kid. And you'll likely get kicked off if you get married (because the income limits are low and it's based on household income)

so then people wonder why we have so many single mothers or why most deliveries are covered by Medicaid. Or why women come to the emergency department looking for a pregnancy test.

The world may never know.
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If I recall, this was at the root of why, back in the day, Chris Chan didn’t actively look for work. His dad flat-out told him that he would make more money by sitting on his ass playing vidya collecting SSDI or something or other.

One of the biggest failings of the social safety net as it exists right now is the lack of finesse for the middle ground. If you’re gainfully employed, you get nothing. If you’re dirt poor, there are all sorts of programs and subsidies that can get you housed, fed, clothed, and on your way to working again... as it’s intended to do. However, as soon as you make any money at all, those benefits go away. For those with low skills/intelligence or disabilities, your new employment may very well put you in a worse economic situation than just bumming around your house all day. This completely disincentivizes those who belong to the “working poor” from working at all. To be fair, if someone offered me the choice to make X money to slave at McShits all week, or make X plus 50 percent to stay home and shitpost all day, I think I know what I’d do. It’s no wonder things are the way they are.
Sorry for the extreme off-topic
 
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If I recall, this was at the root of why, back in the day, Chris Chan didn’t actively look for work. His dad flat-out told him that he would make more money by sitting on his ass playing vidya collecting SSDI or something or other.

One of the biggest failings of the social safety net as it exists right now is the lack of finesse for the middle ground. If you’re gainfully employed, you get nothing. If you’re dirt poor, there are all sorts of programs and subsidies that can get you housed, fed, clothed, and on your way to working again... as it’s intended to do. However, as soon as you make any money at all, those benefits go away. For those with low skills/intelligence or disabilities, your new employment may very well put you in a worse economic situation than just bumming around your house all day. This completely disincentivizes those who belong to the “working poor” from working at all. To be fair, if someone offered me the choice to make X money to slave at McShits all week, or make X plus 50 percent to stay home and shitpost all day, I think I know what I’d do. It’s no wonder things are the way they are.
Sorry for the extreme off-topic
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Yep. If you are on SSDI and want to better your life by working or going to college then it's very likely that you will be kicked off. Money's gone and more importantly your Medicaid is gone. That kinda sucks if you have chronic health issues, so just sit down and play video games all day.

No politician seems to address this. They don't live in our world.
 
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Oh also because China completely and totally fucked everyone over with how they handled the situation, that somehow means it's China's fault that the Trump administration's response to the outbreak has been mediocre at best.

To be very clear: China is a shit country that cannot be trusted and should be castigated for this, but they aren't the ones who made the US government (and many local governments including Bill “New Yorkers should know the risk to residents of the city is low" De Blasio) ignore most medical professionals.
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This has been going into my head for a while too regarding how people are comparing the situation between China and USA about the response to the virus. There's valid reasonings to suggest that the way how China shouldn't be trusted, but in the end how does it make the USA's response to the virus any better?
 
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eternal dog mongler said:
Yep. If you are on SSDI and want to better your life by working or going to college then it's very likely that you will be kicked off. Money's gone and more importantly your Medicaid is gone. That kinda sucks if you have chronic health issues, so just sit down and play video games all day.

No politician seems to address this. They don't live in our world.
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One of the reasons I suspect this is the case is because of the nature of American health insurance in general. The relative lack of regulation on insurers regarding their margins and the rates they can charge consumers lead to grossly-inflated claims, such as the classic “it just cost me $25k to give birth” or “Holding baby: $900” entries on medical invoices.

This has several unintended side effects, one of which is the extreme burden this places on Medicare, and why Medicare costs account for such a gargantuan amount of total federal spending. Without a massive reformation of the entire system, as well as tightening the reins on insurance providers, no lasting change is usually achieved.

The main beneficiaries of this system are doctors (not necessarily a bad thing, as high American salaries attract talented personnel) and the insurers themselves. Opposing the status quo puts you at odds against these two groups, which results in bad optics (you hate doctors!) and earning the ire of very powerful lobbyists (government overreach, regulations, anti-corporate, etc). People often use the argument of a national, single-payer system as the solution with the rationale that they are accountable directly to the people as part of an elected system (not profit-driven like insurers) and that an agglomerated, unified payer has greater bargaining power with pharmaceutical companies to drive costs for drugs down. This last fact is the main reason why an epipen can cost $120 in one country and $800 in the US: the first country likely has a single-payer health care system.

In short: things won’t get better any time soon

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This has been going into my head for a while too regarding how people are comparing the situation between China and USA about the response to the virus. There's valid reasonings to suggest that the way how China shouldn't be trusted, but in the end how does it make the USA's response to the virus any better?
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Solution: never trust anyone who says “yeah but it doesn’t matter because China is bad!”. To quote the meme: why not both?
 
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