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[wtfNeedSignUp]

New video is up, I wonder what the tl;dw from it will be. Will MauLer try to be a contrarian towards Avatar or will he suck its cock?

Also am I the only one missing having long drives where you can listen to exceptional podcasts (because of the Corona)?

 

[biscuitscilia]

New video is up, I wonder what the tl;dw from it will be. Will MauLer try to be a contrarian towards Avatar or will he suck its cock?

Also am I the only one missing having long drives where you can listen to exceptional podcasts (because of the Corona)?

Speak of the devil.

 

[Acrid Alchemist]

New video is up, I wonder what the tl;dw from it will be. Will MauLer try to be a contrarian towards Avatar or will he suck its cock?

Also am I the only one missing having long drives where you can listen to exceptional podcasts (because of the Corona)?

TLW Mauler barely paid attention when he watched the series recently and missed a lot of plot points. LD was a bad choice since he hasn't watched the series in a while and didn't call Mauler out on this. Also plot holes, real or otherwise, are fine as long you go into something expecting to like it. Mauler went into Avatar expecting to not like it because he has contrarian friends and so he thinks it is mediocre. Don't bother watching this discussion.

 

[Cemila Mandes]

It's all about having the right opinion and picking the right targets. People fucking hate Hbomberguy, Quinton, Just Write, Patrick Williams, Jenny Nicholson, RalphTheMovieMaker etc. Making fun of them then means that at least some portion of their detractors are going to gravitate towards you because if you hate them, that means you're right.

It's worse than that because MauLer's targets are based in petty grudges. His targets commit the cardinal sins of having different opinions and speaking out against him.

A lot of his targets aren't widely hated outside of his hive mind community. Only Hbomberguy was hated when MauLer first covered him and even then, MauLer hates him more over liking a game he doesn't like and insulting his nine hour response. Patrick and Ralph made brief jabs about him, while JustWrite maintains that art can't be viewed objectively and TLJ is good after his discussion with MauLer, despite being respectful and having to ill will towards anyone who disagrees with him.

Quinton was the first to call out MauLer, giving him a special place in MauLer's heart. He didn't become widely hated until his Mumkey Jones tweet months after MauLer targeted him. MauLer must delight in seeing someone he deeply hates becoming a recognized lolcow.

MauLer hates Jenny over the backlash he received for covering her, as if she's responsible for how other people act. To MauLer, it's okay to attack other content creators and send his fans after them, but when Jenny references his video and he finds himself on the receiving end of drama he initiated, he plays victim. MauLer has since kept her real name out of his video titles because he fears getting the same response.

 

[thatoneguyfromdirtyharry]

New video is up, I wonder what the tl;dw from it will be. Will MauLer try to be a contrarian towards Avatar or will he suck its cock?

Also am I the only one missing having long drives where you can listen to exceptional podcasts (because of the Corona)?

How many dislikes and how is the comment section? Is it a shitshow or did they successfully filter out those who disagreed with them?

 

[CapeKnight]

I'm literally 8 minutes into the video, and LD has already awkwardly shill his comic book, and Mauler just had his usual "ok" reaction to it happening almost as soon as it starts.

And the next thing that happens is Mauler and LD literally saying "none of it matters, if it appeals to you, then that's that" on his stance about how people should think about his views on Objectivity, which is pretty much him saying "It's all subjective!"

 

[AnAccount]

And the next thing that happens is Mauler and LD literally saying "none of it matters, if it appeals to you, then that's that" on his stance about how people should think about his views on Objectivity, which is pretty much him saying "It's all subjective!"

wait did he unironically say this?

What the hell is his goal if he's just ended up at the same conclusion he would have if he admitted it was subjective from the start.

 

[CapeKnight]

wait did he unironically say this?

What the hell is his goal if he's just ended up at the same conclusion he would have if he admitted it was subjective from the start.

Yes, I presume he "intended" for it to appear for it to be seen as "if you've got a brain and can process logical thinking, you'd agree with us", but then again, he'd be falling back on interpretations, which is subjective, since intelligence comes in many different forms.

His goal was simple: To disregard his ill-feelings of himself by disregarding anything subjectively wrong about him as a person, and cling onto objectivity to highlight his intellect as his redeeming quality.

It's funny, because his stance on objectivity isn't nearly as nuanced enough to even be considered objective. Not even 1%. For humans to develop an objective metric of art, we'd need a handful scholar to consume all the art in the world and analyze the psychological impacts of every scene, moment, music, drawing, script, acting, and so on to even conclude things on that nature, and no one's going to attempt to do that in this lifetime, nor do they have the time. Basically, you can technically evaluate art objectively, but before you get there, you'd need to give up multiple lifetimes to even develop a metric. It's a fruitless and fruitful endeavor at the same time.

 

[off meds / online]

so this dude is using "objectivity" to make himself feel like important member of society, when in reality he's just a fat, lonely dude with next to no non-online friends?

yup, art school checks out.

 

[CapeKnight]

so this dude is using "objectivity" to make himself feel like important member of society, when in reality he's just a fat, lonely dude with next to no non-online friends?

yup, art school checks out.

Art schools not that bad. 75% of the people that go to them are just kinda useless in general. I should know, I dealt with a few retards for a year at one before shifting out.

 

[biscuitscilia]

Only Hbomberguy was hated when MauLer first covered him and even then, MauLer hates him more over liking a game he doesn't like and insulting his nine hour response. Patrick and Ralph made brief jabs about him, while JustWrite maintains that art can't be viewed objectively and TLJ is good after his discussion with MauLer, despite being respectful and having to ill will towards anyone who disagrees with him.

Quinton was the first to call out MauLer, giving him a special place in MauLer's heart. He didn't become widely hated until his Mumkey Jones tweet months after MauLer targeted him. MauLer must delight in seeing someone he deeply hates becoming a recognized lolcow.

MauLer hates Jenny over the backlash he received for covering her, as if she's responsible for how other people act. To MauLer, it's okay to attack other content creators and send his fans after them, but when Jenny references his video and he finds himself on the receiving end of drama he initiated, he plays victim. MauLer has since kept her real name out of his video titles because he fears getting the same response.

To be fair, Harris is a Commie so it's hard not to fucking hate him but I see what you mean. I still hold that it's about having the right opinion because his content is very much always saying something is good or bad and align it with popular opinion.
He says he's taken "risks" and criticized stuff people like when someone told him that would collapse his fanbase. Like the OT but the difference is that he's not saying the OT is the worst Star Wars film because of those nitpicky faults. He doing this to Avatar, a very beloved show, is the worst fucking thing he could do.

 

[JohnDoe]

I'll be honest, when I use "objective", I'm mostly saying pragmatic, but I use it anyways. Mauler seems to be double-speaking here, and not in the way he thinks he is, but that he's confusing objectivity for pragmatic, to a point where he thinks the definition for objectivity is what being pragmatic is.

This is the meat of the real issue, which is the backlash to post-modernist theory and construction in art. Essentially, the PM theory is that there are an infinite number of interpretations for any work of art. Sure, the Itsy Bitsy Spider may seem like a nursery rhyme about a spider, but with PM theory you can conclude its a scathing indictment of British colonial Hong Kong, or whatever psuedo-intellectual wankery you desire.

The trouble is that this gets taken out of hipster academia and intothe real world or turned around into construction, where the PM theory states that because there is an infinite number of ways to interpet, there is likewise an infinite number of ways to make or act. Of course, the glaring omission here is that once you go into the real world, there are severe limitations on validity, enforced by failure or death.

You can interpret the growling bear ripping down your door as a deconstruction of ursine imagry in modern gay subcultures percolating into heteronormative society, but that probably means you die. Likewise, if you think that there are an infinite number of valid ways to cook food, you might end up killing your family. Life places limiters on valid or succesful interpretations of what is seen, experienced, and constructed.

Art is more permissive, obviously, but still has limitations. Showing a black screen with white noise for two hours is one of the infinite number of ways to craft a movie, but it won't be successful in communicating or entertaining to an audience. Human culture has spend millenia refining our understanding of how stories and art interact with the mind, and honing the technical aspects of the craft to work within the very real guidelines and limitations of that reality. There are rules, not because someone decreed it, but because someone discovered and described them.

Mauler has a semblence of the correct idea, that there are rules, but he approaches it in a way that sometimes is just whingy and autistic. His inability to properly articulate what he subconciously seems to understand is continually frustrating. If he were more educated on the technical language and techniques of cinema, he could produce better content.

 

[CapeKnight]

This is the meat of the real issue, which is the backlash to post-modernist theory and construction in art. Essentially, the PM theory is that there are an infinite number of interpretations for any work of art. Sure, the Itsy Bitsy Spider may seem like a nursery rhyme about a spider, but with PM theory you can conclude its a scathing indictment of British colonial Hong Kong, or whatever psuedo-intellectual wankery you desire.

The trouble is that this gets taken out of hipster academia and intothe real world or turned around into construction, where the PM theory states that because there is an infinite number of ways to interpet, there is likewise an infinite number of ways to make or act. Of course, the glaring omission here is that once you go into the real world, there are severe limitations on validity, enforced by failure or death.

You can interpret the growling bear ripping down your door as a deconstruction of ursine imagry in modern gay subcultures percolating into heteronormative society, but that probably means you die. Likewise, if you think that there are an infinite number of valid ways to cook food, you might end up killing your family. Life places limiters on valid or succesful interpretations of what is seen, experienced, and constructed.

Art is more permissive, obviously, but still has limitations. Showing a black screen with white noise for two hours is one of the infinite number of ways to craft a movie, but it won't be successful in communicating or entertaining to an audience. Human culture has spend millenia refining our understanding of how stories and art interact with the mind, and honing the technical aspects of the craft to work within the very real guidelines and limitations of that reality. There are rules, not because someone decreed it, but because someone discovered and described them.

Mauler has a semblence of the correct idea, that there are rules, but he approaches it in a way that sometimes is just whingy and autistic. His inability to properly articulate what he subconciously seems to understand is continually frustrating. If he were more educated on the technical language and techniques of cinema, he could produce better content.

Mauler's the product of a society that looked up to the whole "these successful and rich people have no degrees, I don't need school!" mentality. Those guys are more susceptible to Post-Modernist thinking than anything, because anything will fit their narrative. It also doesn't help that if you try to get education, it won't help much because academia has been infected with Post-Modernist thinking and classes. Feminist Film theory was a class that was a requirement to take in certain film courses, so that should already tell you that not only did society deteriorate into celebrity worship and vainness, but that education itself also has lost it's value when things changed from "you don't need school to get a job" to "you need at least a high school diploma" to "you need at least a bachelor's degree" (and this point is where you get a bunch of universities dumbing down courses and more useless people going to colleges) to now "you need a master's degree". Academia suffered a severe goalpost shifting thanks Post-Modernism traps that was sprung up from delusional thinking. Only a few individuals will get by in life without school, but that's because they make up for it by educating themselves, not wasting time livestreaming/trying to become internet famous or drinking their way through high school and college.

 

[Cemila Mandes]

To be fair, Harris is a Commie so it's hard not to fucking hate him but I see what you mean. I still hold that it's about having the right opinion because his content is very much always saying something is good or bad and align it with popular opinion.
He says he's taken "risks" and criticized stuff people like when someone told him that would collapse his fanbase. Like the OT but the difference is that he's not saying the OT is the worst Star Wars film because of those nitpicky faults. He doing this to Avatar, a very beloved show, is the worst fucking thing he could do.

It's about having the right opinion for MauLer and his fanbase when it comes to movies/TV shows/video games/etc. He targets people less because they're generally hated and more because of their different opinions. MauLer's fanbase hates Patrick, JustWrite, HelloGreedo, and CinemaWins because they like TLJ and they want to see MauLer tell them why those people are wrong.

The YMMV section of MauLer's fan-run TV Tropes page even calls JustWrite, Patrick, Quinton, and Harris "acceptable targets". However, the page also calls his response to Jenny as a "Never Live It Down" moment because he stepped outside of popular opinion without realizing it. Jenny may seem like an acceptable target to the MauLer fanbase because she likes TLJ and hates Joker, but she has a dedicated fanbase who are going to respond to criticisms of her. True to form, MauLer broke down when he was on the receiving end of the backlash - which you expect from a guy who gets triggered by negative search suggestions of himself.

https://twitter.com/MauLer93/status/1247799520840151052

 

[biscuitscilia]

Mauler's the product of a society that looked up to the whole "these successful and rich people have no degrees, I don't need school!" mentality.

It's worse, he's a pedant and pedants are some of the most obnoxious fucking people you'll ever come across. They have no comprehension of "figurative language" and are so formal that they misunderstand the point when given. Or just ignore it because you used a figure of speech to illustrate a point.

 

[CapeKnight]

It's worse, he's a pedant and pedants are some of the most obnoxious fucking people you'll ever come across. They have no comprehension of "figurative language" and are so formal that they misunderstand the point when given. Or just ignore it because you used a figure of speech to illustrate a point.

He seems to know how to use figurative language for his side of things when he "memes" and "jokes". I would agree that he shrugs off other people's attempts though. I wonder if he thinks his usage of figurative language is also the "objective way" of using it.

 

[biscuitscilia]

He seems to know how to use figurative language for his side of things when he "memes" and "jokes". I would agree that he shrugs off other people's attempts though. I wonder if he thinks his usage of figurative language is also the "objective way" of using it.

I was talking about pedants overall but even then, Mauler's known for being super formal anyways. You'll notice when arguing with pedants that they don't even form an argument, they just harp on small details and act as if that's the problem. Which is exactly what Mauler does with movies and arguments against or for things in movies.

This much formalism muddles the argument and turns it into a non-debate. Where it seems like you're addressing something critical when really, you're a shallow cunt that takes things at face value.

I remember someone saying this but I can't find it but it was something like "if you put stock in pedantic barrages of nitpicks as well-informed criticism, than that says just as much about you as it does MauLer. "

 

[Otis Boi]

New EFap is out with Friended and PSA Stitch most recently know for being the Debate moderators for Sargon V. Vaush. I wonder how long until the TFA well runs dry? Maybe we will get maulers 15 part review out by then or maybe it will just be a Super Cut of the video. The only thing that stuck out was during the first hour (1:19:45) where Movie Bob mentions something about a rainbow coalition of haters. They thing this has something to do with gays for some odd reason. It really shows how little they understand wider culture. Also it takes them about an hour to get to the first video I have no idea why anyone watches them at this point.

 

[Korpon]

Also it takes them about an hour to get to the first video I have no idea why anyone watches them at this point.

This makes me bring up the whole topic of why have they made EFAP episodes so bloated? This reminds me of CinemaSins in a way, CS started out by making more "concise" videos, with almost none of them ever going above 10 minutes, to wanting to "appease the fans" by making longer videos, to the point where they're well over 20 minutes usually, which makes them awful, boring, and inflated.

This is something Mauler seems to have picked up himself, with both his normal videos being mind numbingly long and the EFAP episodes going from a somewhat watchable 3 - 5 hours, to 7 hours or more on average. I don't know if this is just Mauler sticking with his dumb logic of "long = good", or it's because of all the fans in the comment section constantly memeing about how "10 hours isn't long enough lol", and getting all giddy whenever a long EFAP comes out. They've become such a slog to get through that I don't see how anyone can actually enjoy watching every single hour of this show. The fact that their "intros" of the episode usually last over an hour before getting to the video is especially annoying.

Here you can see how long each EFAP has been up until #79. While the length of the episodes was already on the rise before #50, it seems after #50 they decided to really go full autismo with the length. I get that as the show got more popular, they have more memes and superchats they have to get through, but even then it can all still be cut down and made much more concise by not rambling on and on about things. They rather go on a million different tangents on shit that no one cares about (the stupid "water is or isn't wet" debate being a notable example) instead of getting on with the show.

 

[HavaLottaTimetoSpare]

"We have a lot of superchats' is such a stupid reason for show bloat on Youtube. EDIT THEM OUT.