Culture The Bull Pit - Pitbull News Megathread - aka sperginity speds out agendaposting

https://www.cheknews.ca/pit-bull-attack-near-nanaimo-injures-two-children-and-one-woman-450395/

https://archive.ph/8jiC9

Two 8-month-old pit bulls that were loose in Nanaimo attacked several children, severely injuring at least one. Other people that came to aid the children were also injured.

The children were playing in a yard at the house of one of their friends. The dogs were from somewhere else in the neighborhood and had been cited for being at large previously.

One of the owners of the dogs came and got the dogs but did not stick around. The news interviewed the other owner, a Dangerhair that looked to be in her late 40s or early 50s. While she was devastated at what her dogs had done, she said to the reporter, "People are saying, look at this from the prospective of a parent, well, these dogs are my kids, too," and then she broke down crying.

It was later reported both dogs were euthanized, as there have been other incidents prior to this one, and due to the severity of the injuries the one particular child sustained.

To the dangerhair dog owner I would have to say, "If these dogs were your KIDS, you did a lousy job of raising them. Thank heavens you didn't spawn any of your own."

 

[melty]

It's become pretty obvious you're just here to shit post, dude.

No, dyn is literally just a normal poster like any other user.

 

[The Dude]

I'm glad I moved away from the neighborhood that I grew up in. When my folks and I first moved there it was a fairly decent lower-middle class neighborhood with mostly white people living there. Over the years most of the white people moved away, and the ones who stayed were meth heads. The decent white folks were replaced by illegals, Polynesians, kneegrews, and others prone to owning shitty violent dog breeds. Growing up, my neighbors had Labs, Golden Retrievers, lap dogs, and other family oriented breeds. We drove by our old house last year. All the yards had died, the houses gone to shit, and if we saw dogs they were either Shit Bulls or Chihuahuas.

Where I live now is an upper-middle/lower-upper class, majority white, semi-rural neighborhood with a lot of horse property. There are lots of Labs and Goldies, a Saint Bernard, a couple of Poodles, lots of Doodles, a West Highland Terrier, lap dogs, Border Collies, a couple of GSDs and Belgian Malenois, and my three dogs. There are also a lot of little kids playing outside. I can promise you that I'm not the only guy who would shoot a Pit (or any dog) in my neighborhood if it made an aggressive move towards my kids or my dogs, especially if it were unleashed and unattended. If some Karen Pibble Mommy or some lowlife rolled into our neighborhood with their shitty murder mutts, they would learn damn quick to keep their Shit Bulls in their yard or in their house. No one is going to tolerate the possibility of their children or pets getting mauled by psycho dogs roaming around. And I don't see that changing any time soon, for which I'm grateful. When Shit Bulls start showing up in your neighborhood in large numbers, that's when you know it's time to move.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

I haven't seen my neighbor's pit in a long while. Hmm... Maybe it made a wrong move and got taken behind the shed.

 

[Dyn]

Bring a better argument than "They're just normal dogs" for us to work with and perhaps we'll play with you some more.

Okay, they're just normal dogs and the only reason you think otherwise is because you won't stop googling 'pit bull attack' like an outrage-pornsick redditeur.

 

[Begemot]

It's become pretty obvious you're just here to shit post, dude.

Bring a better argument than "They're just normal dogs" for us to work with and perhaps we'll play with you some more.

It's become pretty obvious you're just here to ignore dyn based on spurious anti-Australian bigotry, dude.

Blaming dogs for their owners' behaviour is asinine. I see that, now. Get a better argument, please.

 

[One Man Bland]

Blaming dogs for their owners' behaviour is asinine. I see that, now. Get a better argument, please.

I’ve come to hate this “blame the owner” shot so fucking much. Because, yeah the problem is the owner: it’s these dumbass owners not understanding that different breeds were bred for different things and by ignoring that in favor of a flippant “one size fits all” training that doesn’t exist is opening themselves up to potentially lethal risks.

I don’t understand how people can nod in agreement that huskies aren’t good for off-leash training because they were built to run tens of thousands of miles in the Alaskan tundra and it’s not a matter of if they’ll make a break for it but when, or that for obvious reasons hunting dogs and scent hounds can’t be trusted in small animal households, but the second you bring up the numerous statistics regarding high rates of pit bull attacks and pit bull fatalities along with the numerous videos documenting the lack of typical build-up to a dog attack witnessed in other breeds suddenly you get a bunch fuckwits screeching “b-b-but MUH NANNY DOG”

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Okay, they're just normal dogs and the only reason you think otherwise is because you won't stop googling 'pit bull attack' like an outrage-pornsick redditeur.

I don't have to Google Pitbull attacks. Practically every "Dog Kills Owner!" news segment on TV is caused by Pitbulls.

They never let us down on on this thread.

It's become pretty obvious you're just here to ignore dyn based on spurious anti-Australian bigotry, dude.

Blaming dogs for their owners' behaviour is asinine. I see that, now. Get a better argument, please.

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Anti-Australian?
Where are you people coming from???

 

[Begemot]

I don't have to Google Pitbull attacks. Practically every "Dog Kills Owner!" news segment on TV is caused by Pitbulls.

They never let us down on on this thread.



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Anti-Australian?
Where are you people coming from???

I don't have to Google Pitbull attacks. Practically every "Dog Kills Owner!" news segment on TV is caused by Pitbulls.

They never let us down on on this thread.



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Anti-Australian?
Where are you people coming from???

A place where barely concealed hate speech against POC shrouded in animalistic metaphors is illegal.

 

[Dyn]

I don’t understand how people can nod in agreement that huskies aren’t good for off-leash training because they were built to run tens of thousands of miles in the Alaskan tundra and it’s not a matter of if they’ll make a break for it but when, or that for obvious reasons hunting dogs and scent hounds can’t be trusted in small animal households

Literally no dog behaviouralist in the world will tell you that you can't walk a husky off-leash or keep cats alongside hunting dogs. Where are you even hearing shit like this? All dogs are prone to unwanted behaviours if you don't put the barest modicum of effort into learning how to properly control them, pitbulls included, and as long as you know what you're doing and put the effort in you can easily control breeds far more difficult and violence-prone than pits. Pitbulls honestly aren't even a difficult breed, they're just very popular, powerful for their size, and a smidge or two harder to control than an easy-mode baby's-first-doggo.

 

[The Dude]

I don't have to Google Pitbull attacks. Practically every "Dog Kills Owner!" news segment on TV is caused by Pitbulls.

They never let us down on on this thread.



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Anti-Australian?
Where are you people coming from???

Bro, stop taking the bait. Stahp.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Literally no dog behaviouralist in the world will tell you that you can't walk a husky off-leash or keep cats alongside hunting dogs. Where are you even hearing shit like this? All dogs are prone to unwanted behaviours if you don't put the barest modicum of effort into learning how to properly control them, pitbulls included, and as long as you know what you're doing and put the effort in you can easily control breeds far more difficult and violence-prone than pits. Pitbulls honestly aren't even a difficult breed, they're just very popular, powerful for their size, and a smidge or two harder to control than an easy-mode baby's-first-doggo.

Hunting dogs in general no but with sighthounds you do get told that, actually both don't do off-leash and cats are dangerous idea. When I was looking for a dog I considered whippet very seriously but ultimately decided against it mainly over the cat thing. First it looked like a pretty good mach, small but not tiny, structurally sound, apartment friendly and reasonable exercise needs (free running in caged are few times a week but rest can be basic walks). Unfortunately pretty much all site said that cats were in risk around sighthounds even small ones like whippets fir same reason off lease is risky with them. When sighthounds get in chase mood they tend to get hyper focused and so even when raised around cats they shouldn't be trusted alone with them especially if you are out. Cats dashing has good likelyhood to trigger their pray instinct and that has ended in tragedy often enough that I didn't feel comfortable taking my changes. These dogs have been hit by a train when chasing bunnies so yeah. Training will of course help avoid this sort of stuff but you are still working against instict that has been breed in for long time.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Bro, stop taking the bait. Stahp.

It's not bait if they're actually this retarded though.

 

[Dyn]

Hunting dogs in general no but with sighthounds you do get told that, actually both don't do off-leash and cats are dangerous idea. When I was looking for a dog I considered whippet very seriously but ultimately decided against it mainly over the cat thing. First it looked like a pretty good mach, small but not tiny, structurally sound, apartment friendly and reasonable exercise needs (free running in caged are few times a week but rest can be basic walks). Unfortunately pretty much all site said that cats were in risk around sighthounds even small ones like whippets fir same reason off lease is risky with them. When sighthounds get in chase mood they tend to get hyper focused and so even when raised around cats they shouldn't be trusted alone with them especially if you are out. Cats dashing has good likelyhood to trigger their pray instinct and that has ended in tragedy often enough that I didn't feel comfortable taking my changes. These dogs have been hit by a train when chasing bunnies so yeah. Training will of course help avoid this sort of stuff but you are still working against instict that has been breed in for long time.

Sure, it all comes down to how much time and effort you're willing to expend. Training and socialising a sighthound to the point that it can be trusted off-leash around cats is a pretty big undertaking, and one that most people won't stick with. That's why people discourage it, but they'll never say it can't be done. A well-behaved and trustworthy pitbull is a hell of a lot easier and a lot of people don't even bother with that, with predictably tragic results.

Good for you for picking a more suitable breed for your circumstances, though. What did you end up getting?

It's not bait if they're actually this exceptional though.

Aren't you the guy who madly doubleposted a bunch of gore pics at me a couple days ago because I disagreed with your obsessively unreasonable fear of a medium-small dog breed? A giant fishhook with a neon orange "DON'T TRY TO EAT THIS IT'S A FISHHOOK" sign on it would be 'bait' to you.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Sure, it all comes down to how much time and effort you're willing to expend. Training and socialising a sighthound to the point that it can be trusted off-leash around cats is a pretty big undertaking, and one that most people won't stick with. That's why people discourage it, but they'll never say it can't be done. A well-behaved and trustworthy pitbull is a hell of a lot easier and a lot of people don't even bother with that, with predictably tragic results.

Good for you for picking a more suitable breed for your circumstances, though. What did you end up getting?

Agree to extend. You can achieve a lot with consistent and skillful training but ultimately there are limits what you can do. They have instincts that can't always be trained away, only managed. This isn't argument against any breed just reality when working with animals. Being realistic and taking responsibility about dangers and just unpleasant sides is part being a good owner. Sometimes that means not getting an animal.

I ended up with King Charles Spaniel Cavalier. Not exactly the breed I was planning but one year old male turned up needing a new home and he was already well trained witch was huge plus this being my first dog.

 

[One Man Bland]

Literally no dog behaviouralist in the world will tell you that you can't walk a husky off-leash or keep cats alongside hunting dogs. Where are you even hearing shit like this? All dogs are prone to unwanted behaviours if you don't put the barest modicum of effort into learning how to properly control them, pitbulls included, and as long as you know what you're doing and put the effort in you can easily control breeds far more difficult and violence-prone than pits. Pitbulls honestly aren't even a difficult breed, they're just very popular, powerful for their size, and a smidge or two harder to control than an easy-mode baby's-first-doggo.

I didn’t say that you can’t, I said that you shouldn’t. Sure, you could sink all the time and money in the world into off-leash training a husky, or getting your sight hounds to play nice with your pet rabbits, but no amount of training in the world will ever get that risk down to 0 - anyone who says otherwise is just trying to make a sale. The dog show pit bull incidents posted here that, despite having thousands of dollars put into their breeding and the best training money could buy, still mauled other contestants are proof of that.

The most responsible breed advocates are the ones who understand that their breed has limits, and responsible dog owners are the ones who ultimately pick a breed that suits their needs over anything else. People who work with huskies for instance won’t recommend them for owners who can’t exercise for several hours a day, and the owners who don’t listen to that often have the nerve to wonder why their husky is always so hyper and will eat an entire couch if left alone for too long. The same goes with off leash training: the big reason that huskies aren’t recommended for off-leash training is because the breed is infamous for terrible recall, the most essential part of off leash, and because - being bred to run for tens of thousands of miles in the Alaskan tundra - can cover a ton of ground when they decide to give chase. I’ve lost count how many irresponsible husky owners I’ve seen go against the advice of good trainers because they want their cool GoT dog to walk alongside them without a leash, only for one day the inevitable happens where their husky decides now is a good time to really run and is halfway across town before the owner can even say their recall command.

They were also the kind of owners to return their dogs after a month or so because they weren’t interested in a breed that suited their needs, they just wanted a specific kind of dog as a fashion statement and then cram it with whatever desired behaviors they want, regardless of whether or not that’s good, or even realistic, for the breed. Well trained looks different for every breed, and some breed behaviors can’t be eliminated but only managed.

Which is precisely my problem with pit advocates. Pits don’t have responsible breed advocates. If they did, then they would be saying that statistically speaking pits aren’t good for households with small pets, other dogs, children, or strangers. But no, instead pits are always advertised by these “advocates” as these magical Jack of All Trade dogs that don’t have any breed limitations and are good for literally every kind of household. Because admitting otherwise would imply that pits have a well-documented aggression problem, and it’s better to let some gullible suburban Pit Mommies have their toddlers get their throat ripped out than ever admit that.

Though I’m curious in which dogs you consider more violent than a pit. Most official statistics clock pit bulls at the top of the list at 22% (and the ones who include pit-mixes raise that number closer to 40%) despite only making up a small amount of all dog ownerships, with the closet being the German Shepard at about 17% of all dog bites despite being the 2nd most popular breed currently. Comparatively, Rottweilers are more commonly owned than pits, yet only make up 9% of all dog bites. Then when you look at the actual fatalities, pits take the lead with a whopping 65-72% of all dog attack related deaths, depending on whether they count pit mixes. Again, comparitavely, the next most common is the Rottweiler... at 11% of all dog attack fatalities.

 

[Twinkie]

lol if you think you can "train" the prey drive/flight risk out of a sighthound. they've been bred to bolt and snap necks for over 5,000 years.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Aren't you the guy who madly doubleposted a bunch of gore pics at me a couple days ago because I disagreed with your obsessively unreasonable fear of a medium-small dog breed? A giant fishhook with a neon orange "DON'T TRY TO EAT THIS IT'S A FISHHOOK" sign on it would be 'bait' to you.

Madly? You give yourself a lot of credit.

If there were endless pictures and news articles showing you the gory end result of people who tried to fight bears, the logical conclusion someone would have after viewing those photos would be that perhaps bears are dangerous creatures.

You refuse to let those wires connect in your head though by constantly writing, "They're just normal dogs!"

A normal dog doesn't rip out the throat of a child randomly and no amount of blaming the owner changes that. With the amount of news articles posted on just this thread, they can't all be bad owners. Pitbulls have triggers and their attacks often come out of nowhere.

And if you really believe it is the owners fault, perhaps you should take that grievance to the pitbull moms who care more about these dogs than the safety of children and constantly cheerlead for the breed. A lot of causalities are suburban women in their thirty's who are told pitbulls are harmless on Facebook.

 

[Dyn]

Though I’m curious in which dogs you consider more violent than a pit.

Akitas, Bull Arabs, Gull Terriers/Mastiffs, Argentine Mastiffs, Boerboels, Cane Corsos, Caucasian Shepherds, Belgian Malinois, Canarian Catch, Chows, Bandogs, Pakistani Mastiff, SDD, Kangal, ACD, literally any other kind of wolf-dog hybrid. That's off the top of my head, and only including dogs big enough to easily kill people. Pitbulls are honestly not that difficult, just very popular with all the wrong people.

A normal dog doesn't rip out the throat of a child randomly and no amount of blaming the owner changes that. With the amount of news articles posted on just this thread, they can't all be bad owners. Pitbulls have triggers and their attacks often come out of nowhere.

No dogs ever kill children randomly. They always have a very obvious and predictable reason, and the people we always see on the news crying about 'it came out of nowhere' are always people who never bothered to learn how to see it coming. If you get attacked by your own dog you're a chump. If you get attacked by your own pitbull you're a chump who might as well clean loaded guns with the barrel in your mouth.

And if you really believe it is the owners fault, perhaps you should take that grievance to the pitbull moms

Let me know when they start circlejerking each other in an A&H thread and I'll go shit all over them.

 

[JohnDoe]

Why is it only the rescue pits and not the rescue german shepards?

Even the abused or maltreated German shepherds know how to communicate and escalate. Unless otherwise trained, they will work their way through the Doggie DEFCON with plenty of posturing, growling, and teeth baring. Nobody gets to the point of contact without knowing a nip is coming. Even then, GSDs usually open with a corrective nip, then pause and evaluate before nipping again or going to a full bite.

It's the shepherding behavior they've been bred for that they default to, which precludes bipolar flip outs and mauling. They have a behavior set geared towards bossing lambs around, not murder. The worst you usually get from most abused herding dogs are neurotic OCD and 'corrective' nips.

The best you can expect from a well trained pit bull is their murder instinct being suppressed long enough for your guard to drop to the point where they get the chance to eat your children.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

Akitas, Bull Arabs, Gull Terriers/Mastiffs, Argentine Mastiffs, Boerboels, Cane Corsos, Caucasian Shepherds, Belgian Malinois, Canarian Catch, Chows, Bandogs, Pakistani Mastiff, SDD, Kangal, ACD, literally any other kind of wolf-dog hybrid. That's off the top of my head, and only including dogs big enough to easily kill people. Pitbulls are honestly not that difficult, just very popular with all the wrong people.

Why are you ignoring OneManBlands statistics on Pits?