Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Has Germany got good experience with asking for "Zee papers" and running concentration camps?

Well the (((leftists))) did complain about not getting enough food in ze camps last time but they're a very neurotic lot.

Incidentally look here

Coronavirus Update (Live): 81,660,489 Cases and 1,780,942 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

https://archive.vn/YKA5U

1.6M cases and 97K deaths. Worryingly for India and Pakistan, there was a pretty bad outbreak in Iran. Probably worse than the official figures state actually, given the tendency of the Iranian regime to fuck up and the cover-up the fuck up.

I think Dr. Campbell is right - we'll see the third peak. The first one was China, the next was America and Europe and the third will be in the third world. You can see in Italy and Spain the European outbreak is coming to an end. E.g.

Italy Coronavirus: 143,626 Cases and 18,279 Deaths - Worldometer

Italy Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Italy Coronavirus: 135,586 Cases and 17,127 Deaths - Worldometer

archived 8 Apr 2020 00:11:16 UTC

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Spain Coronavirus: 157,022 Cases and 15,843 Deaths - Worldometer

Spain Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Spain Coronavirus: 157,022 Cases and 15,843 Deaths - Worldometer

archived 10 Apr 2020 13:23:19 UTC

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It's less clear in the UK

United Kingdom Coronavirus: 55,242 Cases and 6,159 Deaths - Worldomet…

archived 8 Apr 2020 00:10:31 UTC

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United Kingdom Coronavirus: 114,217 Cases and 15,464 Deaths - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Mind you if you go here which has the latest figures it might have peaked. Give it a week and we'll know.

ArcGIS Dashboards

www.arcgis.com

COVID-19 Dashboard

archived 10 Apr 2020 13:26:00 UTC

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So here's my prediction. In a month's time it will have peaked in Europe and the US and we'll be hearing of some third world country where it's really bad.

 

[mindlessobserver]

CBS is making your list seem untrustworthy, so far they have used Italian ICU footage twice in news stories about US hospitals.

That would warrant a downgrade to trash then for sure. Must have missed that. Damn their good at manipulation.

On another note, someone put the Disturbed cover of "Sound of Silence" to images of empty city streets. Pretty good.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

In other words, not enough brown people have died yet for them to care?

There are actually quite a lot of brown people who have died. In the Stockholm region, almost one fifth of the people who have died are Assyrians/Syrians (who make up 1-2 % of the population) and immigrants as a whole make up around one half of patients. http://archive.li/wip/oqn34

My people are over-represented among those who died of the corona virus in Stockholm. 43 of the 225 who have died until April 4 are Assyrians / Syrians. That's almost every fifth. I knew some of them, as well as children or other relatives of them. The youngest was 56 years, the oldest 89. The youngest had no underlying disease. 7 of the 20 families I have been in contact with also state that they do not know that there would be any.
The Somali Medical Association warned on March 24: "At least six of the 15 who died of the corona virus in the Stockholm area are Swedish scalars."

That evening, I called Gunay Raheb, president of the SOUF, Syrian Orthodox Youth League, and asked for her help. She and some other young people with research skills have helped me with this survey.
There are also Armenians, Kurds, Greeks and others of immigrant origin among those who have died from the corona virus. On April 4, the Israel Times wrote that nine Jews have died in Sweden and are therefore also overrepresented among those who have died from the virus. No one knows how many of the immigrant origin who died of covid-19, but almost half according to several sources at Stockholm Hospital

There's even an article in English that was published about this yesterday (yeah, it's the Huffpost, but it gives a good overview of the numbers) http://archive.li/pUfWK

Sweden is proudly tackling the coronavirus pandemic differently from almost any other affluent country ― with few business closures, public gatherings ongoing and only the most vulnerable encouraged to stay at home. But its approach risks higher levels of illness and death among its ethnic minority communities, advocates warn.

The country has more than 8,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. While the government has not reported a breakdown by ethnicity, local researchers noted “an astonishing high rate” of deaths among the Somali population in late March, and recent statistics suggest a disproportionate number of infections in areas of the capital and national center of the outbreak, Stockholm, with many residents from foreign backgrounds. Of the first 15 people to die of coronavirus in and around Stockholm, six were of Somali heritage ― a group that makes up less than 1% of the area’s population.

Many people in minority communities continued life as usual as the coronavirus began to spread in Sweden. They didn’t know not to: Sweden, although known for its openness to refugees and its social safety net, initially failed to release much advice on the pandemic in the non-Swedish languages spoken by thousands of citizens, including Somali. The government’s actions failed to account for cultural differences within a nation whose migrant and asylum-seeker populations have grown.

(...)

Sweden’s approach to the disease has been to ask its citizens to be responsible about social activity ― the prime minister said people should behave as “adults” ― rather than impose the kind of restrictive measures taken elsewhere to slow the spread of the virus. Experts suggest the nation’s lighter touch jibes with Swedes’ trust in governmental guidance, and public health officials say it prevents panic while ensuring COVID-19 will only spread slowly.

But authorities’ traditional assumptions about how Swedes behave and the lack of clear restrictions have muddled their message. “People that are living in the shadow society, in the immigrant areas, are very confused,” said Nuri Kino, a journalist who’s a member of Sweden’s community of Syriac Christians from the Middle East.

Usually those who sing the praises of multiculturalism would be quick to talk about this, but so far they have been quiet about it or in rare cases when the person who pointed this out was a "fucking white Swede" – most of the people who initially brought this up are from the most affected communities – accused the person of blaming the virus on immigrants.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Thirty percent got infected in clinics/hospitals? Well my doctor better do telemedicine or I'm switching to one who does. I'm going to assume doctors offices are just as bad.

Telehealth has all kinds of weird regulatory requirements. CMS relaxed them for Medicare patients but private insurers are still being dicks about billing. Also FL's Medicaid won't pay for it either.

It's not that we don't want to do it but like we're not gonna get paid so.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

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It's almost like there was a reason we went to disposable bags in the first place.

Fuck that. Just use disposable paper bags, at least those disintegrate after a short time. People can't be trusted to dispose of their plastic bags properly.

 

[Not Really Here]

That would warrant a downgrade to trash then for sure. Must have missed that. Damn their good at manipulation.

On another note, someone put the Disturbed cover of "Sound of Silence" to images of empty city streets. Pretty good.

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Even Snopes admits it (Archive)

 

[Not Really Here]

Fuck that. Just use disposable paper bags, at least those disintegrate after a short time. People can't be trusted to dispose of their plastic bags properly.

Do you have any idea how much wood weighs and the amount of CO2 emissions it requires to just manufacture the very freaking heavy paper bags? Then transport these very heavy paper bags?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I got a detailed breakdown of the europlan over here https://elcorreoweb.es/movil/intern...s-para-afrontar-la-crisis-sanitaria-BB6560751

Do note that the reason they tall about 5000M ans Half a Bill is because in spanish it's thousand-mill- thousand mills-bill instead of thousand-mill-bill.

So long story short half the money goes to the multinationals, 100m goes to actual economy and 150m to healthcare, which at this point isn't needed in the more affected areas. And europe can say who how and when they use it. Netherlands btw literally begs for a nuke by claiming they should get direct vetoing powers against south europe. Not that it matters because we know we ain't seeing fucking shit. The government issued a tweet and while I didn't see it from what I was described 2nd hand the responses are filled with accusations, eurohatred, people saying we should just bomb netherlands already and most hilariously memers telling the gov to ask the WHO about taiwan.

Yeah as always they just act as if they were helping then pocket the money. This'll literally change nothing. The EU is breaking and the Netherlands will wind up causing the break to be violent.

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Do you have any idea how much wood weighs and the amount of CO2 emissions it requires to just manufacture the very freaking heavy paper bags? Then transport these very heavy paper bags?

I actually don't, so if you have any info to enlighten me with that's cool.

But I do know that paper bags don't take 10-100 years to degrade into micro parts that will last forever and enter our food chain.

The CO2 from transporting them is a contributing factor, yes. However those plastic bags don't just magically teleport to their destination, they go through the same transportation. Maybe a larger amount can be sent however the long term effects from plastic is far worse.


I'm tired of seeing and removing plastic bags caught in trees and shrubs because they aren't disposed of properly.

Edit: I can burn, compost, arts and crafts, and other uses far more for paper bags rather then plastic.

 

[fuckass]

After 2 weeks I finally succeeded in signing up for unemployment! What a shitshow! My state's form gives you options for digital or through the mail. Chose digital. Do they even have a system for sifting through all the physical mail rn?! Anyways, for digital you have to sign up on this stupid website, but they have to send you a physical password through the mail. In addition to this, had to sign up and put myself out there as looking for work, and make an exceptional profile. There's no option for covid being why I'm laid off, and the vocabulary is uniquely lacking in the latter half of the form. So I had to manually explain that my reason is because of coronavirus. The workforce website then asks if they can use my personal information to spam, which I checkboxed every option that said no because fuck getting texts about hot jobs near me during a damn pandemic.

I haven't worked in 3 weeks as of today, but my unemployment starts in just 4 fuckin days! wow

Also, you have to manually go on the one site and request your coronabux every two weeks. Best part about it still is that its taxed income!

Second best part is that the website requires you make a login with a ssn and typical password, so if/when government jobs start getting cut, maybe the boomies in charge will take out that computer guy's position and identity theft will be more sophisticated than a nigerian prince

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

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It's almost like there was a reason we went to disposable bags in the first place.

Yeah, the Guardian is worried that the fact that coronavirus survives on plastic for 72 hours might be misused by evil right wing lobbying groups to overturn plastic bag bans too

https://web.archive.org/web/2020032...ear-of-covid-19-to-fight-bans-on-plastic-bags

Recent studies have found that Covid-19 could be stable on plastic and steel for up to three days, compared with 24 hours for cardboard and four hours for copper. The studies have not examined how long the virus remained on cloth and there is little scientific evidence comparing reusable bags with plastic.

Last week a number of US states and cities nevertheless took the decision to roll back plastic bag bans, citing the coronavirus. Maine repealed its ban. The governor of New Hampshire went further by issuing an order banning reusable bags, saying they risk spreading coronavirus. The governor of Massachusetts banned reusable bags and lifted plastic bag bans. And New York state, which implemented its plastic bag ban on 1 March, will delay enforcement until June.

Normally environmentalists believe in the precautionary principle - if something might be harmful then don't do it. Now they're saying 'Yeah, it survives on cardboard and copper for 24 hours and plastic and steel for 72 hours but there's no study saying for sure it survives on re-usable bags so it's unscientific to try to stop people using disposable bags'

Fortune covers the issue in a slightly more rational way. They mention the 72 hour survival time on plastic as a reason that encouraging people to reuse bags is a bad idea, something the Guardian and Bloomberg either fail to mention or slimily downplay because it is devastating to their case.

Coronavirus fears spur cities to reverse hard-fought bans on single-use plastic

In a matter of days, hard-won bans to reduce the use of plastics across the U.S. have come under fire amid worries about the virus clinging to reusable bags, cups and straws.

fortune.com

https://archive.vn/wip/sNp8l

A study by the U.S. National Institutes of Health found the novel coronavirus can remain on plastics and stainless steel for up to three days, and on cardboard for up to one day. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it appears possible for a person to get COVID-19 by touching a surface that has the virus on it and then touching their mouth, nose or eyes — but it's not thought that's the main way the virus spreads.

If only someone had warned us. Oh wait, they did. The UK has a serious problem with MRSA and back in 2005 when the government was putting a 5p tax on plastic bags people did point out the risks of this.

You may want to think twice before reusing your plastic shopping bags

Shoppers should be wary that using the same bag for different food products, such as fresh meat to cheese and bread, or using bags that had been in hospitals could spread bugs

www.mirror.co.uk

https://archive.vn/rTeVh

Meanwhile biochemist Dr Richard Salmon, post-doctoral research associate at the University of Cambridge, advised people to throw away plastic bags that had been taken into hospitals.

Drug-resistant MRSA can survive on a dirty plastic bag for long enough to multiply, and potentially cause disease or even death.

Dr Salmon said: "The chance of picking up MRSA from a plastic bag that has been in a hospital is very small, but there is a chance and I wouldn't take that risk.

"All you need is one single bacteria on a bag and it could grow so much, if conditions were right, that it could become a big problem.

"MRSA is highly resistant to common antibacterial treatments and very difficult to medically kill.

"Cleaning bags would require tough treatments like bleach, which itself is toxic to humans and wouldn't be worth the effort or risk.

"Any manner of bacteria could be transferred to a plastic bag, and for the sake of 5p, I would advise nobody else take that slight risk either - the repercussions could prove disastrous."

It didn't take a genius to figure out that making people reuse plastic bags presented a disease risk even before the pandemic started. All that's happened in the pandemic is that public hysteria over it has completely overwhelmed worries over plastic waste which were always something a small minority of overprivileged environmental activists worried about but probably just irritate the vast majority of people who see it as another cost an inconvenience imposed on them.

All those cunts with their hemp bags they never wash weren't going to pay the 5p anyway. I hope they're all vegan because otherwise, those hemp bags are a serious health hazard. Look at the Mirror article:

"Bacteria can easily transfer from different types of re-useable bags to the hands and back again.

"What is more, using the same bag repeatedly for different purposes increases the risk of contaminating the bag with a whole host of harmful bacteria.

"For example, carrying fresh meat brings with it known contamination risks and if you then use the same bag for carrying ready-to-eat foods such as cheese or bread there is the potential for cross-contamination.

"Likewise, if you carry sports shoes one day and then shopping the next."

He advises that people only use certain bags for certain types of food produce, and always wash hands and goods thoroughly.

I guess if you only put dried lentils in it, it's OK in non-pandemic times. Don't reuse the same bag for milk and meat though. I guess the people who invented kosher were on to something after all. Who'd have thought?

Speaking of which, when all this is over, I'm going to get myself a cheeseburger with bacon from the local gourmet burger place.

 

[Slap47]

Eugene Gu freaking out after denying it for so long is kinda funny.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

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Even Snopes admits it (Archive)

That Italian hospital is to the Wu Flu, what Sam Hyde is to any mass shooting, it seems.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

More Tedros hate. Article about a petition for him to resign and for Taiwan to be admitted to the WHO

Petition to fire Tedros, include Taiwan in WH... | Taiwan News

Petition to calling for resignation of WHO head, inclusion of Taiwan surpasses 500,000 signatures

www.taiwannews.com.tw

https://web.archive.org/web/20200327141949/https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3904702

Tedros memes, all of which are disavowed by the government of Taiwan

The petition, which has not been disavowed by the government of Taiwan because the guy that wrote managed to avoid chimping out and go full 1488 LARP long enough to write a few paragraphs

Sign the Petition

Call for the resignation of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO Director General

www.change.org

https://archive.vn/EsmrW

 

[eternal dog mongler]

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Eugene Gu freaking out after denying it for so long is kinda funny.

How we gonna do that through telemedicine eugene

 

[Kornheiser]

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Eugene Gu freaking out after denying it for so long is kinda funny.

What’s his problem? Is it terminal TDS?

 

[spiritofamermaid]

Thats probably the main reason they locked shit down, if they only locked down one state or city everyone would flee, also people don't realize until they visit these places how underequiped places are. I'm sure they don't even have ventilators.

It's partly the reason why Florida was shut down so heavily. People in SE Florida are pissed at those who are obviously from NY and came down here. Haven't seen/heard anything bad happening per se, but there is a lot of underlying resentment.

 

[Stasi]

Went for a 30 minute walk in Bongland to get some exercise. No mask so MacGyvered one from an old bandana with amusing side effect of looking like I'm about to start a gang war. Sadly this isn't Compton so I didn't peel any caps.

Lots of people out and about because its sunny. No masks, park near me is rammed, people playing frisbee, football, sat around in groups etc. No one gives a shit. Sad

Makes me slightly worried the government is going to get more heavy handed if people don't take this seriously.

 

[Not Really Here]

I actually don't, so if you have any info to enlighten me with that's cool.

But I do know that paper bags don't take 10-100 years to degrade into micro parts that will last forever and enter our food chain.

The CO2 from transporting them is a contributing factor, yes. However those plastic bags don't just magically teleport to their destination, they go through the same transportation. Maybe a larger amount can be sent however the long term effects from plastic is far worse.


I'm tired of seeing and removing plastic bags caught in trees and shrubs because they aren't disposed of properly.

Edit: I can burn, compost, arts and crafts, and other uses far more for paper bags rather then plastic.

Plastic bag-6 to 8 grams
Paper bag- 55 grams

All about bags (Archive)

Edit: More about bags

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[Radical Cadre]

That Italian hospital is to the Wu Flu, what Sam Hyde is to any mass shooting, it seems.

Agreed.

For far too long Italian hospitals have gotten away with this shit. They must be stopped.