Lieileen
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Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata
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I read their initial post as baiting as a CSA victim, since most of the people relating to what Ellie posted would be victims of CSA, not pedophiles. Ellie responded without knowing that she was comforting a pedophile, and that doesn't feel like an accident to me, all things considered. Maybe I'm an asshole, but a CSA victim gathering doesn't really feel like the right place for a pedophile to seek comfort, right?
I noticed something similar to this as well (in her videos in general, not just livestreams). When she is acting as "Kyle", she plays with and adjusts her hair the way that other women do. I had tried to look up some reasons as to why women specifically tend to play with their hair in this manner, but it mainly was moronic buzzfeed articles about how women flirt that I could find so I moved on. I didn't even realize that it's the same thing she does no matter who she is "fronting" as.
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When you are treating someone with DID they don't really larp infantilism and shit like that. Thats why when I read these types of posts/vids i immedately red flag it as fake. Yes they may get "stuck in the past" but that is not that they suddenly start using baby talk or needing diapers or something.
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To what extent were they defending CP? Was it just drawn/5000 year old space goddess shit, or actual CP?
*EDIT* Not to say that drawn CP isn't creepy as shit, It's just that it tends to be more of a gray area in terms of legality and risk.
For someone who apparently doesn't want her shit to be public, she seemed to have no problem dragging her ass across a bunch of different fetish sites while using the same username for everything.
She's not a bad artist, but holy shit her style is fucking ugly.
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(also, legally even fictional depictions of non-human minors is considered CP)
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To add to that, from what I understand, people suffering from DID who do slip into a child like state don't have a defined age range either. Just mannerisms that would suggest a younger mentality.
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POCD =/= pedophile to be fair. Many are victims of CSA and are absolutely terrified that they will do exactly what their abusers did. The disorder is literally defined as an intense fear of actually hurting kids. That's what separates it from pedophilia. The therapy for POCD is generally treatment of the underlying trauma and then therapy for any remaining anxiety. You know what it's not? Looking for fucking CP. So yeah! We got a pedo there my friends.
They really do use trauma to attain sexual satisfaction in an innocent way. It allows them to be unquestionable and claim that they are unaccountable for their own actions. The more I learn about this the more disgusted I am.
One thing I'm really wondering about right now is just how widespread this problem is within the community. How many predators are disguising themselves as regressors, systems, etc and manipulating literal children into interacting with their fetish? What the fuck would it take for that community to start actually questioning the intentions of those around them? If not this, then what?
(Edit: Clarification)
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I noticed this type of thing, too. Didn’t think a lot of it at first, but it became more apparent the more of her content you watched. When she “switches” she’ll still check out her makeup, adjust the camera to make sure it’s at the best angle and subconsciously play with her hair. Making sure it still feels nice and looks nice.
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It's not a community. It's a cult-like atmosphere worshiping certain leaders. To question is to be a detractor.
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If pedos are actually using mental illness to excuse their behavior, therein lies the problem of certain youtube channels like Chloe's and Nan's. They promote the idea that you can shift responsibility off yourself because you have a "condition." I remember watching Chloe's video on System Responsibility, and if she truly believes that whatever you do as a system falls back on the whole system, why are her fans contradicting it?
I'm just going to jump in after reading every page of this forum and say I call bullshit on both Nan and Chloe and their DID.
CSA and trauma does not make you delusional to what porn and fetishes are. It doesn't make you fucking retarded to what words means.
Some of those images were extremely graphic and disturbing and so mindblowingly obvious that they were intended for what Nan had labelled them as. You wouldn't intentionally label rice in your cabniet as pasta. Stop bullshitting.
Traumatized individuals want to move forward with their life, not be given attention and be reminded daily of their shitty lives and relish in it.
These idiots glorify abuse and mental health issues and the potential attention that can be obtained by saying you experienced one or the other. The target audience of this is perfect because who craves that attention more than tweens looking for a way to stand out?
To the poster who looked into why girls mess with their hair. Interestingly, as a girl, most of the time we don't realize were even doing it. My guess is it's a slip up that she's totally unaware that she is even doing so frequently.
Which is exactly the point... If "Kyle" is his own person (like she claims) and has his own memories and is as masculine as chloe says he is, then he would also have his own masculine subconscious behaviors instead of mirroring chloe's feminine mannerism. You can't say they are two different people and only change 1/3 of their behavior.
It's all bullshit.
CSA and trauma does not make you delusional to what porn and fetishes are. It doesn't make you fucking retarded to what words means.
Some of those images were extremely graphic and disturbing and so mindblowingly obvious that they were intended for what Nan had labelled them as. You wouldn't intentionally label rice in your cabniet as pasta. Stop bullshitting.
Traumatized individuals want to move forward with their life, not be given attention and be reminded daily of their shitty lives and relish in it.
These idiots glorify abuse and mental health issues and the potential attention that can be obtained by saying you experienced one or the other. The target audience of this is perfect because who craves that attention more than tweens looking for a way to stand out?
To the poster who looked into why girls mess with their hair. Interestingly, as a girl, most of the time we don't realize were even doing it. My guess is it's a slip up that she's totally unaware that she is even doing so frequently.
Which is exactly the point... If "Kyle" is his own person (like she claims) and has his own memories and is as masculine as chloe says he is, then he would also have his own masculine subconscious behaviors instead of mirroring chloe's feminine mannerism. You can't say they are two different people and only change 1/3 of their behavior.
It's all bullshit.
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I disagree as Chloe has never been socialized as a boy. That’s not how gender presentation works, even if you have a male alter in your head. Trans people have to learn the little movements that are “unique” to the gender they believe to be as they’ve been socialized as the wrong gender their whole life.
however, I have already pointed out that both Chloe and Sally have said “bless me” in separate videos after sneezing on camera (oh god please don’t make me look these up I can’t handle sneezing after all this trauma Nan has caused me)
After a trip the stylist, I can’t keep my hands out of my hair. And admiring in the mirror how gorgeous of a job they did. Obviously if you keep rubbing the oils and dirt on your hands over the strands it’s going to get dirty faster. My own stylist said she gets the same thing and tries to distract herself to make it last. Chloe self styles at home constantly, it’s part of her YouTube Persona to have constantly fixed and dyed hair and perfect makeup. She’s a young and pretty girl, but that’s not something that will last forever. You have to grow up and actually contribute rather than just trading on your looks.
Additionally, anyone here want to wager their past buck Chloe is spending all of her ad revenue and Patreon contributions on makeup and hair products? That shit ain’t cheap.
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I noticed that "bless me" as well. I also noticed that in the integration video Chloe who had become Nin pointed out how she now sneezes differently, which I would assume to be because of Nan's fetish.
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I noticed that in her 'Meet the boys' video, she put her hair into a beanie and then into a high bun, keeping it well out of the way of her face. I was curious to see if, when "switching to Gregory", the bald Asian, she would touch her hair. She must have had some foresight here.
Let's be clear. In real DID, these alters are NOT people, not segregated, fleshed out identities that are entirely distinguished from the host. Therefore, all this talk about how real kids get lost, or how male alters shouldn't touch their hair, how her hand movements are the same etc, is somewhat a contradictory criticism. In real DID we would not expect the person's alters to be so characteristically remote from one another so that they wouldn't even share similar mannerisms. The issue here for Chloe is rather that she presents her alters as different people wrongly because she fundamentally misunderstands what DID is. That is why the consistent mannerisms is a problem, not because it's a sign of faking DID.
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She does this even as her Male alters, she did it in her video as "Kyle" talking about how Trisha made her split. She daintily puts her hair behind her ear and play with it until she realizes she supposed to hate the long hair and says yuck before the video ends.
Edit: yes, this is because alters shouldn't be completely their own people. Chloe is consciously deciding to play the role and is unable to hide her own natural tendencies.
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I hadn't thought of this, but that would have been interesting.
I am glad you put this in here. I should have placed it in my post. Well said.
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I'm losing my mind reading the comments on Nan's latest Instagram post as they are RIDDLED with people blindly trying to rationalize aging up children and defending CP. The guy in green posed a valid question and nobody seems to be interested in the fact that he's got a point... "It's ART!", "It's not hurting anyone, it's just a cartoon!" Fucking sheep. Toxic and cultish, amirite?
Gah... after reading those I want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.
A lot of the rationalization, diverting, explaining etc going on here is so reminiscent of the way creepy uncles twist words to get away with molestation when confronted. "We were just playing! I was tickling them! My hand slipped! They were laughing so no harm done!" It's chilling.
Gah... after reading those I want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.
A lot of the rationalization, diverting, explaining etc going on here is so reminiscent of the way creepy uncles twist words to get away with molestation when confronted. "We were just playing! I was tickling them! My hand slipped! They were laughing so no harm done!" It's chilling.
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Just to clarify, I don't believe they have DID.
I was more discussing whether there was an actual delusion.
Just because it's an explicit, visual depiction of sexual organs and activity, doesn't mean it's pornography!!
And by ahem, enjoy... they meant enjoy like spicy noodles!!
Also, is Nan even asexual? Doesn't she say her "alters" are NOT asexual?
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Except, if that's how she meant it, it would have said art porn (still sounds gross) since she's comparing it to the use of the expressions food porn and book porn. Instead, it simply says "porn"...
Also, funny how it went from how she didn't understand what porn meant when she used it, to later being able to explain what she meant. Bull.
I agree that shit is hard to read.
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