Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Maurice Caine]

There are already too many people in some places with nothing to lose. Can see riots starting very easily when the police try to arrest some people outside trying to catch a breeze, or running around in their yards with sprinklers on, etc.

It doesn't take much to set fires when the tinder is dry enough, and that tinder is starting to dry.

What do you think is going to happen in the following months? Personally, my schedule and current plans are on the fritz and I quite don't know what to do.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I don't know if even a temporary UBI would help once food shortages start to emerge.

Also, just randomly came across this...

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He's not kidding about the swab test. It ain't the nose they test for.

 

[Cycleye]

A little snippet of life in china from a trustworthy source...."Beijing announced yesterday that anyone arriving in the city has to show a certificate that they have tested negative, but none of us know how we would get one of those so I guess I am never going to Beijing again (not a huuuuge loss). We have an office there and it's odd to think we have no idea when we can see our colleagues again.
Wuhan is now open, people from there being HEAVILY discriminated against."
.....and when asked if someone can be identified as Wuhan by a dialect......"yes, but even easier to tell is to look at someone's ID card, which states where you are from - you have to show ID to do tons of stuff and there are spot checks too. Local building management knows where everyone is from (we have to register our addresses with the police) so Wuhan people who live in other cities may have a hard time getting to their own apartment as the building management sometimes won't let them in. A friend told me that cars with Hubei registration plates (there's a separate identifier for every province) are having a hard time driving in other provinces as no one will let them park or access private roads etc."

 

[teriyakiburns]

He's not kidding about the swab test. It ain't the nose they test for.

I bet that tickles.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Don't get me started on the possible future layers of suck. p
WWIII? A total possibility, nationalism will be at another high after this. Anti-Chinese fervor, whether the left like it or not, will be rampant. I can only fear the worst.
Some of these people won't have proper closure because they weren't at their loved ones side when they passed on. Emotional wounds may heal, but the scars will last.
The economy will be utter trash. Sure, it will probably recover, but that's just more piles of pain to add on. The only bright side is that the job market is better, but only because those who passed on left those jobs.

People weren't dying early on because California cities are more spread out. NYC is on a network of islands, so people are crammed. It's easy for a virus to spread that way. I can't speak for Italy, I wouldn't know how the population density works, but since it's smaller than Cali anyway, I'm putting my money on the density.

California cities are not more spread out than New York. That is why they keep comparing us. Aside from that we have little else in common.

For example, in New York if you sit on a park bench in the winter, your butt begins to freeze.

In California that doesn't happen. You would be lucky to even find a park bench. But once you do, your butt will stay sort of room temperature. However, you probably won't be sitting on it for long because somebody will come by and start smoking weed with his buddies, or some dog will come along and pee on the bench.

 

[A Welsh Cake]

All these changes by the world and staying indoors and everything is interesting and all but I think it distracts from the REAL issues.
Some of you may already know about it, and I assure you Journalists have it on the top of their tongue at all times that’s how dangerous this threat is. Even more so now that we’re all quarantined and isolated.

The biggest threat we’ve ever faced as a society that’s effects are still rippling to this day

Spoiler: Biggest, Most Awful, Most Tragic Event in Human History

GAMERGATE

When will the CDC, CIA, WHO, NHS, MDI, NSPCA, PTA, NWO, NWA, LGBTQIA+, DPS, FBI, FBI or any other alphabet agency do something about this danger to society.

 

[FatalTater]

All this talk of the anarchy that's going to break out when the hot weather hits... do y'all not have air conditioning? I mean, I don't have it but I'm used to just turning fans on and staying in the shade during the hottest parts of the day. Is this a lost art?

 

[no_mad_johnny]

This is why I think it's connected to the lab in Wuhan. Horseshoe bats are known SARS-like coronavirus reservoirs that have been studied for awhile now.

I think it would be way too much of a crazy coincidence for the initial epicenter to be right down the street from a lab known to study coronaviruses in horseshoe bats. I guess anything is possible, but it's hard not to make the connection. This is why I lean towards "lab accident" being behind this.

I'm still gonna call it Bat Soup Flu though.

ETA: If it was from something sold at the market though it could have been an intermediate host, like how with OG SARS it went from bats to civets to humans. There was some talk of it maybe being pangolins with this one, which are popular in Chinese medicine.

On that note:

...it’s unlikely that bats directly gave the virus to humans based on what’s known about transmission of earlier zoonotic coronaviruses. Instead, scientists suspected that the bat coronavirus infected another animal, an “intermediate host,” which subsequently transmitted the virus to humans.

...several other research groups have found further experimental evidence of pangolins being infected by coronaviruses highly similar to SARS-CoV-2.

(archive)

Chinamen used bite
...
Pangolin strikes back

 

[Goronnn]

First real heat wave and it will get ugly. No going to parks, waterparks, pools, hydrant parties, cops messing with people in their own yards in some places. Stuck in your house, maybe no job, some without ac, nothing better to do. Yeah, ugly.

No one even does that now.

 

[Non-Expert!]

There are already too many people in some places with nothing to lose. Can see riots starting very easily when the police try to arrest some people outside trying to catch a breeze, or running around in their yards with sprinklers on, etc.

It doesn't take much to set fires when the tinder is dry enough, and that tinder is starting to dry.

Riots starting because a water park is closed? Somebody going to bomb Disneyland because their toddlers can't go this year? People en masse squatting in front of their favorite dive bar at midnight?

Granted when the summer heat begins to rise, people will get restless. Especially if they don't have air conditioning. People are allowed to leave their houses. They just can't go to restricted areas. Nobody's rights are being violated. We don't have a right to access our (my beloved) local pool if the state mandates it closed. I can't access the pool if it is closed for maintenance or a swim meet, etc.

Nobody is forcing us to stay locked in our houses either.

However we don't make the laws. If local, state or federal parks are closed, they are closed. You can scream, yell, piss yourself or even self-immolate in front of the scenic spot of your choice, but given that the purpose for these closures is to prevent the spread of a pandemic, people seem to get this.

I am not seeing a massive level of support, for us to exercise our God-given right to leave the house and get very sick, die, infect one of our loved ones, or live a shortened life-span with gimp organs.

Yes it is annoying to think of spending an LA summer locked in the house with restless kids, but no, I am not ready to strap dynamite to myself, go to the water-pad park in Santa Monica and pull the string, to express my disgust for state restricting our access to public spaces, in the face of a pandemic.

 

[PepsiVanilla]

He's not kidding about the swab test. It ain't the nose they test for.

With my luck I'd probably sneeze right when it's all the way down.

 

[Never Scored]

Whelp a third person died in my area which has a density of around three people per square mile. Two new positive cases. Government telling me not to drive up to my cabin because it risks spreading the disease. Yup. Just living under the same rules of NYC in the middle of no where.

 

[no_mad_johnny]

It's no surprise that the higher authorities may be using the pandemic as a way of expanding government and corporative (see Google's 1984-lookalike project) interference in people's lives.

Still, it's a highly contagious disease. If someone from the risk group leaves the house, gets wuflued and dies then sure, nature followed its course.

It's a different matter if said person got wuflued because of other people breaking the rules tho.

There's no need to be a NPC or a selfish jerk.

Stay home, wear masks, practice social distancing, etc. Be a good Samaritan and follow the law if it's within reasonable bounds.

The more people quarantine the less cases will occur and the sooner the quarantines will end— If not because of the population then at least it will end because of the economy.

Edit: just checked the twitter thread shared here. Scary stuff. I'm keeping my previous opinion but I think that it's worth keeping an eye on these cases of governmental overreach.

 

[feral cat #6385]

He's not kidding about the swab test. It ain't the nose they test for.

Fuck that. Can't I just pee in a cup or something?

First real heat wave and it will get ugly. No going to parks, waterparks, pools, hydrant parties, cops messing with people in their own yards in some places. Stuck in your house, maybe no job, some without ac, nothing better to do. Yeah, ugly.

It could be 2000 degrees out and I still wouldn't want to do any of that crap.

 

[JosephStalin]

What do you think is going to happen in the following months? Personally, my schedule and current plans are on the fritz and I quite don't know what to do.

Depends on if and when state governments wake up to the problem. Easy to look at a map and see where the hot spots are. Better to rationalize their house arrests now than to do it after a great deal of rioting.

The way things are going, expect greatly increasing amounts of active and passive pushback starting on or about 1 May, if not sooner. The people running the states where the people are under house arrest simply don't seem to understand that no matter what happens, no lockdown, however draconian, will absolutely prevent the spread of the ChiCom Flu. Responsible leadership takes educated, calculated risks. Sadly, in my opinion this appears to be present only in eight or nine states and in the White House.

 

[MediocreMilt]

I am not seeing a massive level of support, for us to exercise our God-given right to leave the house and get very sick, die, infect one of our loved ones, or live a shortened life-span with gimp organs.

The rate of serious illness compared to rate of infection is too low for people to stay afraid of the situation after a few months. Take reasonable precautions, but the emphasis is on the word "reasonable". Literally shutting down the entire world indefinitely does not fall under that umbrella.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Sorry, Dems. You may have to scrap those blue Texas plans.

Impacts of coronavirus on Texans of color clouded by incomplete data

The emerging national picture shows black Americans disproportionately getting sick and dying from COVID-19. The same trend may be playing out in Texas' black and Hispanic communities, but sparse data has been collected.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The Trump campaign has run an attack ad that Biden is pro-China.

RCP article

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/10/trump_campaign_ad_biden_stands_up_for_china_while_china_cripples_america.html

https://archive.vn/f0oLu

Youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv7yVCwv6NU

https://archive.vn/OdwYP

Direct upload

Biden has long been a proponent of 'constructive engagement', the idea that if the US trades with China, China will moderates its policies and become a normal country rather than use the cash to build up an army, invade Taiwan and bring on the apocalypse. I'm not overly impressed with the ad though. There's loads of stuff they could have put in but didn't from Biden's 'constructive engagement' phase which seems like it ended only about a month ago.

Joe Biden’s Record on China and Taiwan

For decades, Biden has embraced the “China engagement” doctrine and warned Taiwan to tread carefully. Now, though, he seems to have changed his tune.

thediplomat.com

https://archive.vn/jPwpU

The ad sucks frankly. There are loads of dumb things Biden has said about China they could have put in there.

They should have talked to Tom Cotton who wrote a hard-hitting article on Biden's record on China for the National Review

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/joe-biden-is-chinas-choice-for-president/

https://archive.vn/AUOun

Since 2015, Democrats have claimed hysterically that Donald Trump is a Russian agent. On the other hand, it’s ridiculous to say Biden is a Chinese asset — if he were, his handler would tell him to oppose China here and there to build credibility. But China can count on Joe Biden always to take China’s side.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Depends on if and when state governments wake up to the problem. Easy to look at a map and see where the hot spots are. Better to rationalize their house arrests now than to do it after a great deal of rioting.

The way things are going, expect greatly increasing amounts of active and passive pushback starting on or about 1 May, if not sooner. The people running the states where the people are under house arrest simply don't seem to understand that no matter what happens, no lockdown, however draconian, will absolutely prevent the spread of the ChiCom Flu. Responsible leadership takes educated, calculated risks. Sadly, in my opinion this appears to be present only in eight or nine states and in the White House.

the residents of Michigan started an online petition to recall or otherwise get rid of their lunatic governor this morning. It passed 80,000 by lunchtime. When things explode, it’s going to be in Michigan. She seems the most incompetent of the 50 governors, and the one most meddling in people’s lives.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Depends on if and when state governments wake up to the problem. Easy to look at a map and see where the hot spots are. Better to rationalize their house arrests now than to do it after a great deal of rioting.

The way things are going, expect greatly increasing amounts of active and passive pushback starting on or about 1 May, if not sooner. The people running the states where the people are under house arrest simply don't seem to understand that no matter what happens, no lockdown, however draconian, will absolutely prevent the spread of the ChiCom Flu. Responsible leadership takes educated, calculated risks. Sadly, in my opinion this appears to be present only in eight or nine states and in the White House.

I think there is an insidious aspect to all of this, namely how quickly repressive and authoritarian decrees have been implemented all over the USA. I wonder if the threat of coronavirus infection and fatality may have been just slightly exaggerated in order to get the public to go along with governors and mayors giving themselves the extraordinary power to confine, punish, jail and fine people who do not comply as well as to advance particular political agendas (the release of convicted criminals comes to mind) all without any oversight or even a functioning court system to reign in the worst offenders. The idea of having Google or Apple monitor my movements and/or know my health status is horrifying but who will prevent the government or a lender accessing that data in the future? The Twitter thread someone posted earlier is a nightmare with a dozen or more examples of abusive practices as well as the stated desire of government, medical and bureaucrats demanding even more power to interfere and restrict your life but the number of ordinary people calling the police to demand strangers be arrested because they got too close to a Karen is just as horrid. Even during the worst of the Spanish Flu in this country no politician dared to go this far, let alone forbid people work and deprive them of their livelihood under the threat of jail or worse. I don't see anyone currently wielding power letting it go without a struggle.

There was already an ass in the WHO who said governments may have to go in and forcibly remove people from their homes and sequester them in a camp or facility if they were "non-compliant", whatever that means. I think the coronavirus may be less of a threat than our governments in the long run.