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wasn’t the whole clone armies being so low a result of RA Salvatore misinerpreting a quote from episode 2 I. It’s novelization? In particular the line “200,000 units in production with another three million on the way.” The term unit was most likely intended to be interpreted in the military context (IE squads, platoons, companies etc). However Salvatore thought that 1 unit = 1 clone.
According to Karen Traviss, the stupidly low number of clones came from George himself but her claims are dubious since Lucasfilm representatives said there were no set numbers but other sources made it clear the army number was "countless" since it was made up of both recruits and clones, and the only one who objected to this repeatedly was Traviss.

However, even if Traviss is full of it or George just had trouble explaining himself, it doesn't really matter now since with Disney's nu-canon and Filoni Wars, these numbers were retconned again for there to only be around 6.2 million troopers (originally 1.2 million with an additional 5 million more produced for the episode Senate Murders) and a Disney guide claiming that only 190,000 troopers are needed per planet despite droids still numbering in the trillions.
 
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According to Karen Traviss, the stupidly low number of clones came from George himself for reasons that only make sense to him. Other EU media tried correcting this a bit by claiming there were one million troopers for each Republic world, possibly numbering close to 1 trillion troopers in total fighting alongside the Sector Armies, with the addition millions being attributed to the Spaarti Clone Project which helped to multiply their numbers exponentially at the cost of an even shorter lifespan or something.

However, even assuming Traviss is also full of it and George just had trouble explaining himself, it doesn't really matter now since with Disney's nu-canon and Filoni Wars, these numbers were retconned again for there to only be around 6.2 million troopers (originally 1.2 million with an additional 5 million more produced for the episode Senate Murders) and a Disney guide claiming that only 190,000 troopers are needed per planet despite droids still numbering in the trillions.
Oh yeah the five million clones thing is likely the result of Dave and friends thinking in terms of our government than a galactic one. 5 million troops is definitely a considerable force but nothing that can greatly change the tide of a galaxy spanning war.
 
Production designer says Rey is the chosen one, despite George Lucas being clear it was Anakin, no surprise but now we have full confirmation that was the intention.
It's weird that they keep George Lucas's unpopular/dumb creative decisions but then shit on his ideas that fans actually like.
 
Oh yeah the five million clones thing is likely the result of Dave and friends thinking in terms of our government than a galactic one. 5 million troops is definitely a considerable force but nothing that can greatly change the tide of a galaxy spanning war.
I just watch the scene in Episode 2 where Obi Wan is touring the cloning facility and one of Kaminos says that clones can think creatively which makes them superior to droids.

There were less clones than droids, and the number would have to be far more than in any canon, but the clones have the tactical advantage. They are clones of a legendary Mandalorian, and remember that the Mandalorians would have defeated the Republic without the help of the Revanchist Jedi.

Ironically, the Mandalorians get their revenge through the clone army.

Also that scene in Episode 2 foreshadows Order 66, as one of the Kaminoans state that the clones are completely obedient and will follow any order.
 
I don't know about that. Coruscant by itself could have as many volunteers as your average Republic planet has people. The Republic is pretty big so they should be able to get trillions or quadrillions of volunteers needed to fight the septillions of battle droids.

But I always assumed the reason the clones were necessary was because the Republic was full of decadent and otherwise lazy people who wouldn't want to join the military and trying to conscript people would cause mass riots and defection to the CIS. The Republic's military was also pretty shit before the Clone Wars, like remember the guys at the start of The Phantom Menace? Yeah, that's the Republic's military, it's an underfunded police force with shitty starships and probably no greater training than being able to say OY MATE YA GOT A LOICENSE FOR DAT.
There were tons of advantages to running an army of clones, of political, economical and military nature.

Politically, the GAR was an army of slaves. They had no political representation, i.e. nobody can make a fuss about casualty rates or poor treatment. The Clones couldn't do anything but obey and play along, which is what they were specifically bred for anyway, they didn't even have basic human rights, let alone a lobby. Most people viewed them as not much more than living droids.
They weren't paid, neither did the Republic have to pay compensations in case of injury, death, marriage, vacation, childbirth, bonus for going to war etc, no retirement funds, no support to re-enter civilian life. Lots of that funny stuff that makes a soldier stupidly expensive suddenly just isn't a problem anymore. Thinking a step further, the Republic is in total control of the narrative by using a clone army with no representation. The war is that weird thing the news anchor talks about, it has no measurable effect on the population, there is barely any ground for dissent to take roots. No letters from the front about how terrible this war is, no parents mourning their children. All you'd get is perhaps more jobs to help the war effort. If the war reaches a planet, the population can be instrumentalized to demonize the CIS.
Then we look at the Clones' commanders, the Jedi. The Jedi have in ancient times sworn to defend the Republic at all costs and will put up with any hardship to see their oaths fulfilled. They were effectively guilt-tripped into the war by their moral code and history, with the Council even giving the ultimatum "either you fight or you can fuck right off and leave the order." They're dogmatic, oath-bound warriors who didn't dare to speak up because they'd see it as morally wrong. Incidents like Barriss can just be swept under the rug, conscientious objectors can be easily deplatformed.

The elephant in the room here is that the Republic hasn't been at war for 1000 years and had no standing army to be suddenly put into action. All you had was local planetary armies effectively playing dress-up, with varying levels of loyalty, gear and training, doing at best low-intensity counterinsurgency against pirate groups or something.
You usually can't just go and conjure up an army out of nothing, you can't just get an army ready for a single conflict, you need to keep it up permanently to be ready in case something goes awry. Now imagine the cost of a standing army that does nothing for 1000 years only to be called to action for a period of maybe 20 years (The GAR was raised after the Naboo Crisis, fought in the Clone Wars and early Imperial campaigns) to an army that was specifically bred and equipped for this period with the most advanced technology and then could just be dumped once they were no longer needed.
What we're looking at here is a galaxy-spanning, highly advanced economy capable of unprecedented output and R&D at an extreme pace, with people who are the undisputed masters of Cloning spearheading the effort. This wasn't sorcery for the Kaminoans, it was essentially Tuesday, except on a slightly bigger scale. The Republic already had the facilities, dockyards, industrial hubs, what have you. Even with factoring in R&D for equipment and training regimens, the GAR would be extremely cheap in comparison to training and sustaining a standing volunteer/conscript army of similar size, let alone capability.

Dooku hosted what effectively a tournament to find the most fitting genetic template for the Clones. With our winner Jango Fett, we have a template with decades of bounty hunting under his belt, a survival artist, an experienced fighter pilot and capable of killing even a Jedi. Now we change his genetic code just enough to turn him from a rugged lone wolf killer into a loyal and obedient soldier, adapt it to what we specifically want him to do and throw in some extra goodies like faster aging so our guys can go and fight sooner, unquestioning loyalty, extreme resistance to stress etc.

Think of the crazy stories of soldiers from history, guys like White Death, John Basilone, Carlos Hathcock, Erich Hartmann, Kurt Knispel, what have you. Now you have a full army of only these guys, the absolute apex of human soldiership. The Clones are simply the best human soldiers you could imagine. Any other army would look like a LARP group next to these guys, which is why volunteers were so uncommon in the GAR.
They just don't compare, have actual human rights, negatively affect the home front and cost way more money on top of that. Fuck that.
 
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I just watch the scene in Episode 2 where Obi Wan is touring the cloning facility and one of Kaminos says that clones can think creatively which makes them superior to droids.

There were less clones than droids, and the number would have to be far more than in any canon, but the clones have the tactical advantage. They are clones of a legendary Mandalorian, and remember that the Mandalorians would have defeated the Republic without the help of the Revanchist Jedi.

Ironically, the Mandalorians get their revenge through the clone army.

Also that scene in Episode 2 foreshadows Order 66, as one of the Kaminoans state that the clones are completely obedient and will follow any order.
I still think the Clone Army is ridiculously small, but it's a good explanation why running away or fleeing is a much better tactic for the separatist then the republic.
 
There were tons of advantages to running an army of clones, of political, economical and military nature.

Politically, the GAR was an army of slaves. They had no political representation, i.e. nobody can make a fuss about casualty rates or poor treatment. The Clones couldn't do anything but obey and play along, which is what they were specifically bred for anyway, they didn't even have basic human rights, let alone a lobby. Most people viewed them as not much more than living droids.
They weren't paid, neither did the Republic have to pay compensations in case of injury, death, marriage, vacation, childbirth, bonus for going to war etc, no retirement funds, no support to re-enter civilian life. Lots of that funny stuff that makes a soldier stupidly expensive suddenly just isn't a problem anymore. Thinking a step further, the Republic is in total control of the narrative by using a clone army with no representation. The war is that weird thing the news anchor talks about, it has no measurable effect on the population, there is barely any ground for dissent to take roots. No letters from the front about how terrible this war is, no parents mourning their children. All you'd get is perhaps more jobs to help the war effort. If the war reaches a planet, the population can be instrumentalized to demonize the CIS.
Then we look at the Clones' commanders, the Jedi. The Jedi have in ancient times sworn to defend the Republic at all costs and will put up with any hardship to see their oaths fulfilled. They were effectively guilt-tripped into the war by their moral code and history, with the Council even giving the ultimatum "either you fight or you can fuck right off and leave the order." They're dogmatic, oath-bound warriors who didn't dare to speak up because they'd see it as morally wrong. Incidents like Barriss can just be swept under the rug, conscientious objectors can be easily deplatformed.

The elephant in the room here is that the Republic hasn't been at war for 1000 years and had no standing army to be suddenly put into action. All you had was local planetary armies effectively playing dress-up, with varying levels of loyalty, gear and training, doing at best low-intensity counterinsurgency against pirate groups or something.
You usually can't just go and conjure up an army out of nothing, you can't just get an army ready for a single conflict, you need to keep it up permanently to be ready in case something goes awry. Now imagine the cost of a standing army that does nothing for 1000 years only to be called to action for a period of maybe 20 years (The GAR was raised after the Naboo Crisis, fought in the Clone Wars and early Imperial campaigns) to an army that was specifically bred and equipped for this period with the most advanced technology and then could just be dumped once they were no longer needed.
What we're looking at here is a galaxy-spanning, highly advanced economy capable of unprecedented output and R&D at an extreme pace, with people who are the undisputed masters of Cloning spearheading the effort. This wasn't sorcery for the Kaminoans, it was essentially Tuesday, except on a slightly bigger scale. The Republic already had the facilities, dockyards, industrial hubs, what have you. Even with factoring in R&D for equipment and training regimens, the GAR would be extremely cheap in comparison to training and sustaining a standing volunteer/conscript army of similar size, let alone capability.

Dooku hosted what effectively a tournament to find the most fitting genetic template for the Clones. With our winner Jango Fett, we have a template with decades of bounty hunting under his belt, a survival artist, an experienced fighter pilot and capable of killing even a Jedi. Now we change his genetic code just enough to turn him from a rugged lone wolf killer into a loyal and obedient soldier, adapt it to what we specifically want him to do and throw in some extra goodies like faster aging so our guys can go and fight sooner, unquestioning loyalty, extreme resistance to stress etc.

Think of the crazy stories of soldiers from history, guys like White Death, John Basilone, Carlos Hathcock, Erich Hartmann, Kurt Knispel, what have you. Now you have a full army of only these guys, the absolute apex of human soldiership. The Clones are simply the best human soldiers you could imagine. Any other army would look like a LARP group next to these guys, which is why volunteers were so uncommon in the GAR.
They just don't compare, have actual human rights, negatively affect the home front and cost way more money on top of that. Fuck that.

Eh, I mean you don't need a standing army. As long as those sector armies are maintained: you can consolidate them.

It's how most armies were formed in history. As long as you maintained centralized training cadre at all times.

Also, the Clone Army was not a occupational Army, correct?

So, about a million clones should be enough. The clones assault the enemy(shock troops)and non clone support troops occupy.
 
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There were tons of advantages to running an army of clones, of political, economical and military nature.

Politically, the GAR was an army of slaves. They had no political representation, i.e. nobody can make a fuss about casualty rates or poor treatment. The Clones couldn't do anything but obey and play along, which is what they were specifically bred for anyway, they didn't even have basic human rights, let alone a lobby. Most people viewed them as not much more than living droids.
They weren't paid, neither did the Republic have to pay compensations in case of injury, death, marriage, vacation, childbirth, bonus for going to war etc, no retirement funds, no support to re-enter civilian life. Lots of that funny stuff that makes a soldier stupidly expensive suddenly just isn't a problem anymore. Thinking a step further, the Republic is in total control of the narrative by using a clone army with no representation. The war is that weird thing the news anchor talks about, it has no measurable effect on the population, there is barely any ground for dissent to take roots. No letters from the front about how terrible this war is, no parents mourning their children. All you'd get is perhaps more jobs to help the war effort. If the war reaches a planet, the population can be instrumentalized to demonize the CIS.
Then we look at the Clones' commanders, the Jedi. The Jedi have in ancient times sworn to defend the Republic at all costs and will put up with any hardship to see their oaths fulfilled. They were effectively guilt-tripped into the war by their moral code and history, with the Council even giving the ultimatum "either you fight or you can fuck right off and leave the order." They're dogmatic, oath-bound warriors who didn't dare to speak up because they'd see it as morally wrong. Incidents like Barriss can just be swept under the rug, conscientious objectors can be easily deplatformed.

The elephant in the room here is that the Republic hasn't been at war for 1000 years and had no standing army to be suddenly put into action. All you had was local planetary armies effectively playing dress-up, with varying levels of loyalty, gear and training, doing at best low-intensity counterinsurgency against pirate groups or something.
You usually can't just go and conjure up an army out of nothing, you can't just get an army ready for a single conflict, you need to keep it up permanently to be ready in case something goes awry. Now imagine the cost of a standing army that does nothing for 1000 years only to be called to action for a period of maybe 20 years (The GAR was raised after the Naboo Crisis, fought in the Clone Wars and early Imperial campaigns) to an army that was specifically bred and equipped for this period with the most advanced technology and then could just be dumped once they were no longer needed.
What we're looking at here is a galaxy-spanning, highly advanced economy capable of unprecedented output and R&D at an extreme pace, with people who are the undisputed masters of Cloning spearheading the effort. This wasn't sorcery for the Kaminoans, it was essentially Tuesday, except on a slightly bigger scale. The Republic already had the facilities, dockyards, industrial hubs, what have you. Even with factoring in R&D for equipment and training regimens, the GAR would be extremely cheap in comparison to training and sustaining a standing volunteer/conscript army of similar size, let alone capability.

Dooku hosted what effectively a tournament to find the most fitting genetic template for the Clones. With our winner Jango Fett, we have a template with decades of bounty hunting under his belt, a survival artist, an experienced fighter pilot and capable of killing even a Jedi. Now we change his genetic code just enough to turn him from a rugged lone wolf killer into a loyal and obedient soldier, adapt it to what we specifically want him to do and throw in some extra goodies like faster aging so our guys can go and fight sooner, unquestioning loyalty, extreme resistance to stress etc.

Think of the crazy stories of soldiers from history, guys like White Death, John Basilone, Carlos Hathcock, Erich Hartmann, Kurt Knispel, what have you. Now you have a full army of only these guys, the absolute apex of human soldiership. The Clones are simply the best human soldiers you could imagine. Any other army would look like a LARP group next to these guys, which is why volunteers were so uncommon in the GAR.
They just don't compare, have actual human rights, negatively affect the home front and cost way more money on top of that. Fuck that.
Eh, its not necessary to hold a standing army. For most of civilized history the vast majority of armies were made up of mobilized peasants/common man with varying degrees of training/equipment relative to their enemies. What you do need is a consolidated command and training structure to mobilize, train, equip and then deploy these soldiers. Prussia were the near undisputed (the brits were pretty good at this as well) masters of mobilization and it enabled them to put pretty much every army to shame in the mid to late 1800's.

While I agree with all the positives of clones and that they are simply superior to actually mobilizing troops, it would have been actually better to use the clones to take the brunt of the separatists surprise droid attack, use whatever clones you can scrounge up to form training and command regiments, and buy time for said training and command to mobilize volunteer troops to end the war quicker.

Of course this is if we assume this functioned like an ACTUAL galactic war where the conflict would have been decades (if not likely centuries) instead of two years and you would need way more than a measly 3.5 million clones on the outset of the war. This just comes from Lucas's inability to imagine a truly galactic level conflict, he should have read a 40k book or something if he wanted to get a general idea of the scale this civil war would be on.
 
Well its confirmed. Filoni really is a two-faced Kennedy loyalist, much like how the whole Padme bombshell censorship claims were disproved.
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Filoni said:
“There’s a potential idea there about the matriarchy coming back and subverting what has always been dominantly patriarchal in male heroes, Zeus, Hercules, and everything else. There is something happening culturally. You look at birth, regeneration, the world itself needing healing: All of those things are emblematic of the ‘mother’ character in myth. They are all matriarchal things, Mother Earth itself”
And he apparently pushed/encouraged the idea of Luke being reduced to nothing and that Leia was the true Obi-Wan despite her role also amounting to jack dick and shameless zombification.

"Why clone humans when you could clone wookies?"
Wookiees weren't smart enough to win the "Who gets to be cloned?!" contests apparently.
 
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I slogged through the latest episode of Filoni Wars, lazily they did the enemy of my enemy is my friend trope, Bo-Katan was planning to kill Satine and she was loyal to Pre Vizla willing to burn down villages, and it took Ahsoka five minutes to go join her because Maul bad. Also that was the last two minuets of the episode because we need definitely needed to see more hijinks with the Martez sisters.

Also the Crimson Dawn is mentioned instead of the Shadow Collective, last of George Lucas's Star Wars my ass. And the pykes left Maul in Son of Dathmoir, but they are still working with him here. Matt Porgcuk Martin was right canon doesn't matter anymore. I know timeline issues are nothing new to Filoni Wars they aired one arc Domino squad two seasons apart, despite being heavily recommend to watch them back to back.

I hate how this is supposed to be the Canon Clone Wars, before and after Disney.
That fight with the Transdoshan felt like I was watching some zanny cartoon, The Bo-Katan Ahsoka team up was done even sloppier than I anticipated. I can't tell if this takes place during or After Son of Dathmoir.
Well its confirmed. Filoni really is a two-faced Kennedy loyalist, much like how the whole Padme bombshell censorship claims were disproved.
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And he apparently pushed/encouraged the idea of Luke being reduced to nothing and that Leia was the true Obi-Wan despite her role also amounting to jack dick and shameless zombification.


Wookiees weren't smart enough to win the "Who gets to be cloned?!" contests apparently.
Filoni likes to deflect people's criticism of Tcw for wrecking continuity and cheapening the movies as George's fault and him honoring "Geroge's vision", but he feels free to go against George when it comes to Luke and Ahsoka. Yeah I'm saying it Filoni is an overrated hypocritical hack.
 
Eh, I mean you don't need a standing army. As long as those sector armies are maintained: you can consolidate them.

It's how most armies were formed in history. As long as you maintained centralized training cadre at all times.

Also, the Clone Army was not a occupational Army, correct?

So, about a million clones should be enough. The clones assault the enemy(shock troops)and non clone support troops occupy.
The Clone Army has the same problem the Stormtroopers have, they are supposed to be an elite, supporting the regular republic or imperial forces, but you never see any of the regular troops, and most story creators completely overlook them because George didn't bother to include them either. And that leads us to the disney canon where stormtroopers completely replaced the regular imperial conscripts, except for that one scene in Han Solo, because at least not everyone is lazy or ignorant enough to overlook that stormtroopers are supposed to be elite shocktroops, not regular infantry

Filoni made a huge disservice to the canon by not making room for regular republic and imperial troops alongside the clones and stormtroopers
 
The Clone Army has the same problem the Stormtroopers have, they are supposed to be an elite, supporting the regular republic or imperial forces, but you never see any of the regular troops, and most story creators completely overlook them because George didn't bother to include them either. And that leads us to the disney canon where stormtroopers completely replaced the regular imperial conscripts, except for that one scene in Han Solo, because at least not everyone is lazy or ignorant enough to overlook that stormtroopers are supposed to be elite shocktroops, not regular infantry

Filoni made a huge disservice to the canon by not making room for regular republic and imperial troops alongside the clones and stormtroopers
To be fair they had non clone fighters in the Onderon arc.
 
To be fair they had non clone fighters in the Onderon arc.
Sure, but they were still local forces, I was more thinking of including Republic troops that are not tied to a particular world, like anyone who've played Bounty Hunter probably remember the white and blue colored Coruscant security guards or the military camo prison guards who had the helmets you see on some rebel and imperial soldiers in A New Hope, but also combar armor
 
Well its confirmed. Filoni really is a two-faced Kennedy loyalist, much like how the whole Padme bombshell censorship claims were disproved.

Wait.... what? Padme?

Wookiees weren't smart enough to win the "Who gets to be cloned?!" contests apparently.
They're freakin' wookies! Who can tear apart droids with their bare hands. At some point you have to ask yourself, "who cares?"

Actually I would have loved it if the real answer was, "we got the budget for creating uniforms for an army of wookies sir..."
(after some back and forth)
"Well if we reduced each soldier by 2 feet it would then save us enough money to build that giant sphere you always wanted."


So I finally finished tRoS.
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MOTHER FUCKERS PUT SERENITY INTO THE FILM! (burn it all down!)

I would rather watch this again than Last Jedi - barely.

I can confirm, rifftrax is one of the better ones they've done in awhile. Though they have a LOT of call backs to their other SW riffs so you may want to catch up with those - or do a "best of" on youtube. To give you an idea, the guys did 1 joke about "internet trolls" responses to Rose - and about a half dozen jokes about how Rose should go away themselves.

They also make Chuck Wendig's self-insert "Snap" into "Porkins Jr" and if you've hung out on the Wendig board on this site, the jokes get funnier.

My buddy is still crying in the corner, I get the feeling he's going to be writing a treatise on this. There's so much to go over on just a story construction level, much less fitting it all into the wider canon. We did get to talking, and they would have done a much better job had Rey just been the villain all along. Just straight up rip off Dune #3 and say there was some fragment or echo of Palpatine inside her and that she was unwittingly forming this huge military force. Make the showdown in her mind with the echo of Palpatine and the Sith against her better nature - maybe make her a genetically engineered lifeform. Reveal that Kylo was a good guy all along who was trying to convince Rey to be good and she didn't realize she was tempting him to evil. Poor Daisy Ridley is trying so, SO hard to be dramatic, and you can tell how badly she's failing at it when less than a minute later Adam Driver shows up and in the span of seconds weeps over her body with triple the emotion and power she was able to "convey" in minutes of screen time.

Ok so I'm going to go over 2 big glaring problems with just construction of the story.
NUMBER ONE
I'm going to call this "comic book" syndrome. Now in that medium, this problem makes sense on why it arises. You're in a rush, you have to get a script out, so you write up a scene, and then it's off to the printers when you suddenly realize a big mistake you made. So then in the next issue you've got to try and "fix" that mistake. This entire film felt like that. "Oops, we killed Kylo! Rey can heal him!" Why did you kill him in the first place? (Why not have Leia give up her life force to restore her son and that be what kills her and saves him?) Why not have him drop his lightsaber and Rey just keep it? "Why weren't the knights of Ren fighting alongside Kylo in the forest of the Wayfinder?" This isn't even a rough draft story, this is an outline story that isn't even ready for a first draft!

NUMBER TWO
What baffles me is just this sense of "no half measures." It's not just JarJar Abrams either, TLJ had the exact. same. problem. Let's take Kylo's fight with the Knights of Ren. Notice he survives for about 4 seconds and then they have him dead to rights until Rey passes him the lightsaber. It's completely binary - they are overpowering him, or he is overpowering them. Why not have it where he shoots at them a couple of times, it doesn't work (proving their badasses), but in the fight, Kylo is actually skilled enough (as he SHOULD be) to kill two or three of them with his bare-hands (or really, using the Force and their own weapons against them). THEN the rest of them get a leg up, get the edge over him (maybe he gets injured, one of his arms is broken) and that's when Rey passes him the saber and he turns the fight around. Even then you could have one final knight remain standing JUST a bit longer than the others and give Kylo a real final battle before he dies. Nope! It's like watching a game of Othello where the pieces are just flipping from black to white and back instead of a game of Chess or even Backgammon.

No wait, IT'S FUCKING YU GI OH!

And I think the worst of it is that I could just see in every story choice the "political" reasoning behind it all. "There's more of us than there are of them"? Remember that repeated line? Yeah I can just see how the creators behind this thought that would just be the bestest rallying cry for the 2020 election ever.

I'd call this a clusterfuck but somehow that doesn't seem adequate enough. Oh this isn't by far the worst movie I've ever seen - but as far as sheer wasted potential and absolute disappointment, I think this may be the new record holder since... the Star Wars Prequels Justice League! (and I'm a DC bot)
 
Well its confirmed. Filoni really is a two-faced Kennedy loyalist, much like how the whole Padme bombshell censorship claims were disproved.
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And he apparently pushed/encouraged the idea of Luke being reduced to nothing and that Leia was the true Obi-Wan despite her role also amounting to jack dick and shameless zombification.


Wookiees weren't smart enough to win the "Who gets to be cloned?!" contests apparently.


Holy shit. Wow just wow. In the past I've considered myself the site's token Filoni Apologist. he's not perfect but he's a decently talented writer with a few tisms. But I can't think of any way to defend this in good faith. Now I'm beginning to wonder if the nigger sisters were'nt the result of executive meddling but Dave's idea all along (Wel not ALL alongsince they replaced the role of another character buy tou understand what I'm saying right)?
 
Holy shit. Wow just wow. In the past I've considered myself the site's token Filoni Apologist. he's not perfect but he's a decently talented writer with a few tisms. But I can't think of any way to defend this in good faith. Now I'm beginning to wonder if the nigga sisters were'nt the result of executive meddling but Dave's idea.
He said they changed Nyx because they didn't want Ahsoka to have a love interest, why couldn't they just drop the love interest subplot Instead of inserting two new stupid characters?
 
So I finally finished tRoS.
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MOTHER FUCKERS PUT SERENITY INTO THE FILM! (burn it all down!)

Na, that's not Serenity, I think that's an Aurore-class freighter.
 
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